What taste / fandom / type of fan gets the most shit from other fans?
HeruruMeruru said: glad that I seem to not fall in that category in your eyes.For the record I don't think there's anything wrong with not liking most shoujo and josei after giving them a chance, I just dislike the condescending attitude the male part of the anime fandom at large tends to give them without even giving any a chance, or the fact that they completely ignore their existence. Going back on topic I would actually agree with the person that says old anime gets a lot of shit from newer fans. People often ask for suggestions and I give them the perfect anime that is absolutely everything they asked for down to a T and they just go "No that's too old". :/ It's more hate on the shows themselves than the fans but I do from time to time see people accuse people that prefer old anime hipsters or elitists. Um, no? Maybe I just prefer older anime because I like the way they look, has that thought ever crossed your mind? As for the older shows one, I do have a tendency to avoid any shows pre-90's the way they usually look bugs me like the worst CGI and it's often just so different from what we watch nowadays, just less than a week ago I tried watching this anime called wild boy something, or something like that, and while I was watching it I was thinking to myself "this is why I dont watch older shows, even beyond the aesthetics it's just done in a lame way in my eyes, growing pains of the anime medium and whatnot. I personally only talk against those fans when they start talking against an anime I like and I go to their list and see pretty much nothing but older shows, it almost makes me question why they are even a part of the conversation, I'm not going to jump on conversations about josie/shoujo anime because I know that's not my genre, apparently they feel the need to say how much better the old shows were and not only do I disagree, I just don't see how much use they can get from these forums unless they make their own threads, no one wants to hear from people that think every show coming out sucks. |
KillaclownJan 16, 2020 3:24 AM
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| I chose Shoujo / Josei / BL since I think many are quickly to dismish anime of said genres and also fans of said genres. With BL you hear homophobic comments too. I don't mind that people don't like certain type of series, but to me it's sometimes rly hypocritical to see people who love Moe series and "cute girls doing cute stuff" and even yuri fanservice, but dismiss anything aimed at girls even if it's essentially same- cute boys doing cute things together with yaoi fanservice. |
Nutella71 said: its usually in the comments on the site where you actually are watching the episode, you scroll down to the comments and what you thought was an awesome bromance scene turns into just a bunch of fujoshis just souring the moment... not to mention with the "just ignore what everyone else is saying attitude" goes against the entire point of this thread, what am I supposed to add to the conversation like that? Lmao (not like it actually ruins it, it's just annoying, adding their own twisted views, come on if it's not actually in the show what makes you think we need to hear your wank off fantasies). Though that thinking made me think about women who complain about female characters being sexualized, like they can't be cool characters AND sexualized at the same time? lol.I actually rarely see such aggressive behavior. Not saying there aren't people like that,but maybe I just happen to not get involved with them. Also I don't see anything wrong if there is a bromance and someone thinks "oh they'd make a cute couple". As long as you're not being an ass towards people who do not think your way,who are you hurting? Of course if you do happen to harass people over a fictional ship (which is so fuckin childish) then you're just making yourself look like an idiot,not the people who don't share your opinion. Person 1: oh man their bromance is so wholesome. Person 2: yeah but I think they'd look better as a couple. We cool though? Person 1: we cool. Where is the need to assault each other or try to prove something? Although yes I've seen plenty of people here pretty defensive over their fictional shippings lol, though that was when I was here a few years ago, one I remember was gon and killua from HxH, disregarding their intense need for these preteen boys to be gay lovers it did sort of show they are straight in the show... but no they are best friends, must make them gay apparently *eyeroll* Not even homophobic people are this delusional lmao |
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_cjessop19_ said: The only real oppressed group that we have to worry about are gamers. That has to be sarcasm.Gamers are like the most mainstream thing ever,it seems like everyone is a gamer nowadays. |
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| Everyone gets mountains of hate so it's hard to tell but one thing that I think most of us can agree is that a lot of the hate comes from the social expectations that adults have and homophobia. Shounen and mainstream fans are ostracized because they aren't "learning anything new", because those are "children stuff" Ecchi, Shoujo, josei and BL as "degenerate" or sexually "unapropried" While CGDCT and Hippies fall somewhere in the middle. I kind of think that's it's amusing how even between fellow anime fans, that self identifies as nothing like members of the general society, we somehow bash ourselves just like the shitiest of normies would do. Anyway I will vote for CGDCT fans just because I'm one of them XD Nick-Knight said: Ryuk9428 said: According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." Actually it is my dear friend @weeabotakbankai who thinks so. I acknowledge its hate and agree to a certain degree that some of it is deserved (Fairt Dance, rape attempts and some other things.) That's the joke... it migth not be the funiest but I like it (P:) |
No-a-nimeJan 16, 2020 5:48 AM
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Nick-Knight said: Ryuk9428 said: According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." Actually it is my dear friend @weeabotakbankai who thinks so. I acknowledge its hate and agree to a certain degree that some of it is deserved (Fairt Dance, rape attempts and some other things.) Right, I just noticed that. Whoops. |
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Short_Circut said: I don't really see CGDCT/SoL fans get shit on per se, more so the actual shows themselves. Same with ecchi I feel like I see more hate towards the shows themselves rather than the fanbases This has got definitely better than it was like 10 years ago. People nowadays just don't care and don't try to blame whatever shift on anime on the genre that often, it was far more obnoxious back then. Same happens with shitting fans... I think it's not that the fandom wasn't attacked as much, but rather that it was in a more indirect way? I don't think I have ever been called a pedo, a pervert or a lolicon directly but I have been implied to be just for enjoying these shows, because these shows are "for grown men who like little girls" or whatever creepy misconception on the genre. On the other hand, when you are blaming a genre for the lack of your "quality" content in the medium, you tend to drag the fans with that complaint. They are not separated because they are responsible for consuming this kind of crap that prevents the good stuff from being produced, they are the lowest common denominator haters refer to when they talk about the appeal of modern anime. This is not exclusive of this genre though; I think it can be traced to every genre that at some point has been perceived to be dominating the industry. But whatever. Things are fine now and trolls can be ignored and mocked for being born in the wrong age. On topic, I think to be fair to the ecchi fandom -a genre I don't like at all- they would probably qualify for the most looked down not among the fandom but outside of. The reasons are clear, it's sexualization, it's controversial almost by definition, there's all kinds of ways to be weirded out by fetishes, all kinds of stemming social commentaries and sensitive content, and being perceived as a pervert certainly makes a lot of people want to keep their distance. Eroticism in its various forms is simply not widely accepted and specially not in a medium that looks so innocent and harmless on the surface. Inside the fandom things are different and I'd say it's the BL fandom that gets it worse. Heck there is even a slur in Japan against girls who like to ship boys that we have adopted in our vocabulary. There's so much shit against this specific sector of manga and anime, from purely homophobic statements to calling out fans for being "creeps who fetishize gay relationships" to condescendingly lecturing them on the amount of abusive tropes it has like they don't know themselves. It's like people feel constantly the right to gatekeep and validate or invalidate fans of these shows. |
jal90Jan 16, 2020 6:12 AM
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Esquirtit said: Probably ecchi and CGDCT because they shit on themselves the most too (and rightfully so). BL/Yaoi should be its own thing though, gets shit it on way more than shoujo/josei (which are the female equivalent of shounen and seinen). All I ever hear is that it's rape fantasy trash for the most part. I 100% agree on this one, Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL should be a completely separate voting option because it's definitely not the same as Shoujo/Josei at all!!! You can be a Shoujo/Josei fan without liking Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL at all and vice verse! I know because i like Shoujo/Josei but absolutely despise Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/Bl and avoid it at all costs whenever i encounter it, even if it's not tagged such as Yuri on Ice or No.6, if i know a anime is one of those genres i'll avoid it immediately at all costs! TheKawaiiToon said: I voted for the mainstream. In other words the normies. On the other hand, I see that the shoujo/josei/BL category (or what I call, the fujoshi category) is also getting the hate the same way the normies do. Does this category also contain the "fujoshi-bait" shows such as Bungou Stray Dogs, Durarara, Black Butler, Free and Yuri on Ice which are neither shoujo, josei or BL (in canon that is)? Also "mahou shounen"? Are we bringing back a certain thread here? Excuse me, but like i said before, Shoujo and Josei are not the same as Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL so lumping them all together and then calling them a Fujoshi category is just straight up an insult and totally wrong! Being a Shoujo/Josei fan doesn't automatically mean you are also a Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL fan and vice versa, you can like one category while disliking/avoiding/hating the other! Also what the f*ck!!!!! Bungou Stray Dogs is NOT a fujoshi-bait anime at all!!!! There's not even so much as a slight hint in there, where the hell did you get that from!!!!! I know, because i have seen anime that came off as pandering such as 07-Ghost and Hakkenden: Touhou Hakken Ibun, but i can assure you 100% that Bungou Stray Dogs is NOT one of them!!!! Not all anime with a majority/all bishounen cast is fujoshi-bait/Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL and people need to finally get that straight!!!! I don't give a shit about Durarara, so whatever, i didn't watch beyond the first season because i hated it but for completely different reasons and not because of any perceived Fujo bait or whatever. Haven't watched Black Butler or Free to tell, but Free! is on my PTW list so'll watch it and decide for myself if that's true or not! And isn't Yuri on Ice actually canonically Shounen-Ai and not just fujo bait? Didn't they form a couple and kiss?! If yes, then i would class that as canon Shounen-Ai. Missaliensan said: Nutella71 said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. Missaliensan said: Nutella71 said: Oh yeah I've seen that cover. Well,now when I take a proper look at them side by side,I do get why people had such reactions. Such looks could be interpreted as romance,but if it hypothetically did involve some sort of romantic relationships among the cast which weren't just a side thing accessory or "bait",wouldn't it be tagged as such in the description? The point is that this was never a shounen ai anime in the first possible so obviously it didn't need to be tagged as such.Even then,people still commented things like "i thought this was a sports anime they fooled me!" I agree, that judging an anime just based on the poster because there are two(or more) guys in it, standing next to each other is completly retarded and i have seen this behaviour before and it pissed me off how close minded and idiotic some "guys" can be! Though, doesn't Hoshiai no Sora have actual LGBT content? In that case, they would surprisingly actually be right, though that's definitely not always the case. HeruruMeruru said: I'm really fucking tired of the condescending attitude a lot of male anime fans have towards shojo and cast full of pretty boys anime. And the sheer amount of dudebros who hate even the slightest hint of homoeroticism. Hell just the fact that all three are lumped in the same category just for being aimed at women in itself is condescending. But really mecha would be the winner. Even the industry hates them. :( Completly agree with you, When i followed the release of Katsugeki Touken Ranbu weekly, a lot of close minded males where calling it gay(Of course it 100% isn't!!!!!) or complaining because of a lack of "female characters" in it, like, they couldn't be bothered to look up the character info beforehand and then they would have known that it's an all male cast anime!!!!! Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. I picked Ecchi because even though I like some ecchi shows for the sexual jokes and the fact that I do find it hot.... if I see ecchi stuff I start worrying the show is going to be a pointless ecchi shitshow Edit: Missaliensan said: I have a different problem, I love bromance but any slight hint of it starts getting the fujoshis trying to cramp their shipping down everyone's throat and trying to ruin the awesomeness of a bromance, flick your bean over whatever you want but don't bother us with your twisted views on thingsI agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. Oh yes, not only am i disgusted by all the guys who cry out "gay" when an all male cast anime is announced, without even so much as trying it, i'm even more so completely appalled and horrified by all the fujoushi/fudanshi who keep shipping all the male characters in every anime possble, whatever or not that character was established to be straight/have a girlfriend/wife(and children)/or simply is shown to be attracted to females, they completely shit on it and ship them anyway for the shallow and and demented reason that they look "cute" or hot "together"!!!!!!!!! Even if the two characters never interacted with each other, even if the two are mortal enemies or just hate each other and want to see the other one dead, they interpret this as "sexual tension" and "romantic feelings" "GAGS LOUDLY" URRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! GIVE ME A F*CKING BREAK YOU DISILLUSIONED FREAKS!!!!!!!! Go and make up your own characters to ship with each other and stop messing with official established characters!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even when the relationships are brotherly or just a close friendship and is meant to be completely wholesome, those freaks still mess with them!!!! It makes me sick!!!!!! >:( HeruruMeruru said: Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. Yes, but just because it's for girls doesn't mean it's JUST for girls and that men couldn't possibly enjoy it, but sadly that is the stigma surrounding them, which doesn't exist with shounen and seinen. People sure as hell don't lump the entire demographic of shounen into the same single category as the entire demographic of seinen like shojo and josei often are. And many women enjoy shounen and even write them, but somehow the opposite happening is inconceivable. "Perceived as being for girls" in this case means that it's perceived as ONLY being for girls, and often with that notion, that it's inherently of lesser value, which is a stigma and double standard that needs to stop. Completely agree here as well, there's nothing wrong with guys watching Shoujo/Josei(not talking about Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL, because if a guy watched those, it's quite obvious why.) Many of them are just normal romance stories, and if you are into romance i don't see why you shouldn't check out Shoujo/Josei anime, regardless of whatever or not you are the target audience!!! Yes, as a girl who watches and enjoyes shounen(yes, i mean battle shounen by this), it doesn't have the same stigma as guys who watch Shoujo and it's hypocritical!!! Also, agree that there should be a Isekai, Mecha and Idol option on the pool, also Sports and Reverse Harem/Otome Game adapations(because they are often not lumped in with the single romance Shoujo/Josei anime) If you ask me, the anime that get's the absolute most discrimination against is the Reverse Harem/Otome Game genre as well as anime with an all bishounen male cast!!!!! Because most of the anime fans are guys and they quickly dismiss anything as "gay" that has two or more guys on the cover art without any "tits" and "ass" in sight!!!!!!! Of course they are talking crap out of their ass, and it's obvious when they lump in Reverse Harems/Otome Game adaptations with the Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL demographic and/or call them fujo bait or made for "fujoshi's" when that's not true at all!!!!!!!! Reverse Harem's/Otome Game adaptations are just that, the same as regular Harems but for girls, so instead of a single dude being surrounded by multiple chicks who are vying for his affection, in a Reverse Harem/Otome Game adaptation, a single girl is surrounded by multiple attractive guys who are vying for her affection. So they have absolutely nothing and i mean NOTHING to do with Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL/Fujo Bait/Fujoushi's/Fudanshi's/LGBT or whatever the hell else!!!!!! And people need to stop spreading these lies and missinformations!!!!!! Also, not all girls like crap like Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL, and i would know, because i'm one such girl!!!!! Though, regretablly, we are a rare breed indeed, i can't deny that! Also most all male cast anime aren't Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL/Fujo Bait either and people need to stop spreading misinformation and with their retarded prejudice here too!!!!!!! Phew, wrote a wall of text here, so, yeah, anyway, i would vote for Reverse Harem/Otome Game adaptations and all bishounen male cast if it was an option on the poll. |
Missaliensan said: _cjessop19_ said: The only real oppressed group that we have to worry about are gamers. That has to be sarcasm.Gamers are like the most mainstream thing ever,it seems like everyone is a gamer nowadays. Gamers have the same problem as anime fans where there is a vague but very real dividing line between old school hardcore fans the more casual newer fans. So "gamers" means two differeent things, and a lot of the conflict in both communities comes from that issue. I don't really play the vidyas anymore so have no skin in the game, but I relate to the hardcore fans who wouldn't call someone who only plays mobile games, or whatever the latest highly marketed triple A title is... I wouldn't call them a "gamer". My point being that you say being a gamer is mainstream, but I think there will be a lot of hardcore gamers who disagree based on what they consider a "true gamer". Dauphine said: I 100% agree on this one, Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL should be a completely separate voting option because it's definitely not the same as Shoujo/Josei at all!!! You can be a Shoujo/Josei fan without liking Shounen-Ai/Yaoi/BL at all and vice verse! I put them together because the type of hate that both shoujo/josei and BL get is largely the same. It's basically people calling them "gay" or "anime for girls" or similar stuff like that. I know the fans of both can be very different, but my intention was to represent types of "oppression" rather than clear genre / fandom lines. Hope that clears that up :) |
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Bob-o-Dominador said: I kind of think that's it's amusing how even between fellow anime fans, that self identifies as nothing like members of the general society, we somehow bash ourselves just like the shitiest of normies would do. One word: Projection. People are really insecure. Most of the toxicity comes from younger people who haven't gained any siginificant level of self-realization yet. |
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| Ecchi and CGDCT probably the most. Battle shounen get a lot of shit, but mostly from wars within the group itself. I don't see the other categories getting bashed that much, more like people being indifferent towards or recognising and accepting it's not for them. |
Ryuk9428 said: According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." He's absolutely right. :/ Idiots like Digibro and Mother's Basement only made it worse which is why I REFUSE to watch anything they make. |
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Chiibi said: Ryuk9428 said: According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." He's absolutely right. :/ Idiots like Digibro and Mother's Basement only made it worse which is why I REFUSE to watch anything they make. I haven't even seen SAO and I get pissed off with all the negativity around it. I think it's unhealthy for the community at large as it drives a wedge between people. Those who want the more "artsy", less mainstream stuff to get recognized don't help themselves when they bash popular stuff, it just creates this defensive attitude from the other fans. And now you have this situation where there's a lot of fans who refuse to try out certain "underground" stuff because of the perceived toxicity from the fans of those shows. Monster, Ping Pong, Ergo Proxy, Shinsekai Yori. These are all shows which get recognized and appreciate less due to hating on stuff like SAO. Because people just see them as shows for pretentious people or whatever. |
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Dauphine said: Bob-o-Dominador said: Everyone gets mountains of hate so it's hard to tell but one thing that I think most of us can agree is that a lot of the hate comes from the social expectations that adults have and homophobia. Shounen and mainstream fans are ostracized because they aren't "learning anything new", because those are "children stuff" Ecchi, Shoujo, josei and BL as "degenerate" or sexually "unapropried" While CGDCT and Hippies fall somewhere in the middle. I kind of think that's it's amusing how even between fellow anime fans, that self identifies as nothing like members of the general society, we somehow bash ourselves just like the shitiest of normies would do. Anyway I will vote for CGDCT fans just because I'm one of them XD There is absolutely nothing degenerated about Shoujo and Josei, most of them are completly wholesome and pure!!!!!!!! Do not lump them into the same category as Ecchi and Shounen-AI/Yaoi/BL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Calm down, the only reason I put them together is because men who watch Jousei are bashed for being perceived as freaks by shit people, I know that they aren't the same. |
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| @Missaliensan yeah they were kind of right about that tennis show though lol, probably wouldn't go so far as saying its shounen ai (though I don't really have much experience with shounen ai to be fair lol), the looks they give each other are pretty gay, the show being full of extra effeminate guys and at least one canon gay dude doesn't help. I don't think anyone would be surprised if they turned out to be gay and totally seems like fujo-bait. I continued it for awhile but wasn't really worth it.... currently checking out a more obvious bait show No.24 the 2nd episode was actually pretty good, freaking brass knuckles lol. |
YossaRedMage said: Chiibi said: He's absolutely right. :/ Idiots like Digibro and Mother's Basement only made it worse which is why I REFUSE to watch anything they make. I haven't even seen SAO and I get pissed off with all the negativity around it. I think it's unhealthy for the community at large as it drives a wedge between people. Those who want the more "artsy", less mainstream stuff to get recognized don't help themselves when they bash popular stuff, it just creates this defensive attitude from the other fans. And now you have this situation where there's a lot of fans who refuse to try out certain "underground" stuff because of the perceived toxicity from the fans of those shows. Monster, Ping Pong, Ergo Proxy, Shinsekai Yori. These are all shows which get recognized and appreciate less due to hating on stuff like SAO. Because people just see them as shows for pretentious people or whatever. Well that kind of brings up another question which is that you have somebody choosing what anime to watch based on how they think other people will perceive their choice which is pretty dumb to begin with. Personally, I watch anime from almost every category you can think of. I like popular anime such as Attack on Titan, Death Note, and Code Geass. I also like some of the more artsy stuff like Tatami Galaxy and Serial Experiments: Lain. Although I will say, I don't see popular anime like AOT, Death Note, and Code Geass getting a lot of flack in the first place. The popular animes I see getting a lot of criticism are specifically SAO and a lot of the battle shonens like Naruto, MHA, and Bleach. So you could say that the people who attack mainstream anime are strongly linked to the battle shonen hate. |
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Ryuk9428 said: YossaRedMage said: I haven't even seen SAO and I get pissed off with all the negativity around it. I think it's unhealthy for the community at large as it drives a wedge between people. Those who want the more "artsy", less mainstream stuff to get recognized don't help themselves when they bash popular stuff, it just creates this defensive attitude from the other fans. And now you have this situation where there's a lot of fans who refuse to try out certain "underground" stuff because of the perceived toxicity from the fans of those shows. Monster, Ping Pong, Ergo Proxy, Shinsekai Yori. These are all shows which get recognized and appreciate less due to hating on stuff like SAO. Because people just see them as shows for pretentious people or whatever. Well that kind of brings up another question which is that you have somebody choosing what anime to watch based on how they think other people will perceive their choice which is pretty dumb to begin with. Oh yes, it is. I was watching SAO while it was airing in Japan though; waaaaaaaay before people decided it was the worst anime ever. >_> I pretty much never go with what people will think when it comes to anime...though if something is infamously good/bad, I might check it out to see what the deal is. Like I'm going to try Arifureta because I want to see if it's as bad as people claim. :'D |
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Chiibi said: Ryuk9428 said: Well that kind of brings up another question which is that you have somebody choosing what anime to watch based on how they think other people will perceive their choice which is pretty dumb to begin with. Oh yes, it is. I was watching SAO while it was airing in Japan though; waaaaaaaay before people decided it was the worst anime ever. >_> I pretty much never go with what people will think when it comes to anime...though if something is infamously good/bad, I might check it out to see what the deal is. Like I'm going to try Arifureta because I want to see if it's as bad as people claim. :'D I tend to think that if a show can produce a strong reaction in a lot of people, even if its hate, its actually a sign that its a pretty good show and worth checking out. But it could be the kind of thing that people hate because they have a hard time accepting something about it. Typically if a show is actually really bad I just find it boring or stupid. I can't say I've ever hated a show. |
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| You're right! A strong reaction is better than none at all. The 'meh' shows are not very memorable...even if some of them have better writing than a 'so bad it's good' show. |
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Ryuk9428 said: I tend to think that if a show can produce a strong reaction in a lot of people, even if its hate, its actually a sign that its a pretty good show and worth checking out. But it could be the kind of thing that people hate because they have a hard time accepting something about it. Typically if a show is actually really bad I just find it boring or stupid. I can't say I've ever hated a show. Couldn't agree more. Bad shows are just boring. Chiibi said: You're right! A strong reaction is better than none at all. The 'meh' shows are not very memorable...even if some of them have better writing than a 'so bad it's good' show. I've never really understood the "so bad it's good" thing. I mean I used to, before my weebification when I was a movie buff there were quite a few "so bad they're good" movies I watched. But even then, looking back... they were so weird that I think they weren't so much "so bad they're good" as they were... just... good. But I'm a sucker for novelty so even when something is made that is so different from everything else, even if the reason it's different is because it's "bad" by whatever standards people want to apply, I'm probably going to like it. Reminds me of a film... this isn't anime so maybe not the place, but has anyone seen Southland Tales? Wisecrack did a video where the dude was trying to make a case for it being the "worst" film he had seen. And, like, I understood his points, but the movie is so fucking weird I loved it lol... I think the guy that made the film tried to do something so unconventional that most people just couldn't vibe with it. It has serious tonal shifts and awkward jokes at random times but it all felt like it was done on purpose to mindfuck the viewer. |
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I didn't quite either...until I watched Garzey's Wing. It is glorious trash. You must see it. It's not just a bad anime; it's an experience of a lifetime. xD |
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| I genuinely don't understand why people get disrespected /mistreatment for watching only one or a few of the best anime of the season. That means their not wasting time watching bad/mediocre anime and have more opportunities to watch previous year anime or older ones. |
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Rastafa21 said: I genuinely don't understand why people get disrespected /mistreatment for watching only one or a few of the best anime of the season. That means their not wasting time watching bad/mediocre anime and have more opportunities to watch previous year anime or older ones. No offence, but hard to tell if this is high level trolling or not. I'll bite regardless. Now, I'm not putting down people that watch only the top 2 or 3 anime every season, however the "hate" does come from a reasonable place, even if it's wrong for it to manifest as "hate". When you've looked at a lot of profiles of people that have watched hundreds of anime, their most highly rated stuff tends to be more of the "underground" / "hipster" classics, not the most popular stuff. This is because when people watch a lot of shows they tend to develop a specific taste. The most popular shows only ever cater to a very narrow selection of tastes. Not only that but they tend to be geared towards making as many people as possible not dislike them. They have a generic, safe, broad appeal. Sure, the most popular shows every season, for most people, are going to be the ones they can be most sure of liking. But when one actually finds the stuff which suits their specific taste, it tends to have at least some niche element to it. That is what having a taste is. It's like I've said many times, the most highly rated stuff is a mixture of everyone taste to give the highest possible rating, but that rarely lines up with an individuals taste. One might have an average rating of 8 for everything in the top 100, but their 10/10s are likely to be stuff further down the rankings. That's the nature of developing a taste. So why do people that only watch the most popular shows get shit? Because it sort of suggests those people haven't watched much anime, or they are sheep who only care about community hype and not the quality of the anime, or they have a very narrow generic taste. None of these things make someone a bad person, and no one deserves hate because of it, but I know personally I don't really value those peoples opinons or want to talk to them as much as other people because it's not the way I like to approach anime. Lastly, and I've been as nice as possible so far but there's no polite way of saying this. The masses are idiots with nothing even approaching a deep appreciation of art. Look at the TV shows that get the most ratings. Look at the most highly engaged with content on Reddit and YouTube. Popular stuff usually appeals to the zombie general public. There's a good reason some people tend to get suspicious of popular stuff and develop a hipster mentality. Popular does not equal quality. But look. That's not to say there aren't perfectly smart, reasonable, nice, kind, great people who only watch / like popular anime. It's also not to say that all popular anime are bad. As much as I don't personally like MP100, I can see the quality in that and it was one of the most popular last year. I love Kaguya-sama and that was huge. The other seasons last year I didn't really like the popular shows, although I love ufotables animation and plan on finishing KnY at some point, same with AoT. EDIT: To steer this back on topic. The above is part of the reason I placed "mainstream" so low on my rankings in OP. I feel like the "hate" comes from a much more reasonable place than other categories. |
YossaRedMageJan 17, 2020 7:12 AM
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
YossaRedMage said: Rastafa21 said: I genuinely don't understand why people get disrespected /mistreatment for watching only one or a few of the best anime of the season. That means their not wasting time watching bad/mediocre anime and have more opportunities to watch previous year anime or older ones. No offence, but hard to tell if this is high level trolling or not. I'll bite regardless. Now, I'm not putting down people that watch only the top 2 or 3 anime every season, however the "hate" does come from a reasonable place, even if it's wrong for it to manifest as "hate". When you've looked at a lot of profiles of people that have watched hundreds of anime, their most highly rated stuff tends to be more of the "underground" / "hipster" classics, not the most popular stuff. This is because when people watch a lot of shows they tend to develop a specific taste. The most popular shows only ever cater to a very narrow selection of tastes. Not only that but they tend to be geared towards making as many people as possible not dislike them. They have a generic, safe, broad appeal. Sure, the most popular shows every season, for most people, are going to be the ones they can be most sure of liking. But when one actually finds the stuff which suits their specific taste, it tends to have at least some niche element to it. That is what having a taste is. It's like I've said many times, the most highly rated stuff is a mixture of everyone taste to give the highest possible rating, but that rarely lines up with an individuals taste. One might have an average rating of 8 for everything in the top 100, but their 10/10s are likely to be stuff further down the rankings. That's the nature of developing a taste. So why do people that only watch the most popular shows get shit? Because it sort of suggests those people haven't watched much anime, or they are sheep who only care about community hype and not the quality of the anime, or they have a very narrow generic taste. None of these things make someone a bad person, and no one deserves hate because of it, but I know personally I don't really value those peoples opinons or want to talk to them as much as other people because it's not the way I like to approach anime. Lastly, and I've been as nice as possible so far but there's no polite way of saying this. The masses are idiots with nothing even approaching a deep appreciation of art. Look at the TV shows that get the most ratings. Look at the most highly engaged with content on Reddit and YouTube. Popular stuff usually appeals to the zombie general public. There's a good reason some people tend to get suspicious of popular stuff and develop a hipster mentality. Popular does not equal quality. But look. That's not to say there aren't perfectly smart, reasonable, nice, kind, great people who only watch / like popular anime. It's also not to say that all popular anime are bad. As much as I don't personally like MP100, I can see the quality in that and it was one of the most popular last year. I love Kaguya-sama and that was huge. The other seasons last year I didn't really like the popular shows, although I love ufotables animation and plan on finishing KnY at some point, same with AoT. EDIT: To steer this back on topic. The above is part of the reason I placed "mainstream" so low on my rankings in OP. I feel like the "hate" comes from a much more reasonable place than other categories. I think a lot of people are confusing the idea of popular shows a bit. It’s not so much that popular are usually bad. A lot of popular shows are popular because they are genuinely good. Death Note, Code Geass, Higurashi, and Attack on Titan are genuinely good shows. In non-anime terms Breaking Bad comes to mind, Stranger Things, and the first few seasons of Game of Thrones. The problem I think a lot of people notice sometimes happens with popular shows is when they are literally created with the sole purpose of being popular or they are popular franchises that are relying way too heavily on their brand name and churn out formulaic and mediocre crap knowing everyone will watch it as long as Robert Downey Jr. is in it. Not a TV show per se, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe strongly comes to mind. If something is created only with the intent of being safe and appealing to as many people as possible it’s gonna be relatively mediocre. But you often times have the flip side where a writer takes a risk and it pays off and becomes popular, like the Joker movie. So I’d argue that good movies and TV shows are more related to whether the industry promotes risk taking by writers than anything else. That’s why anime manages to create so much good stuff. Anime studios make something like 90% of their money off 10% of their shows. So their tactic is to roll the dice as many times and try as many things as they can in hopes of finding the show that appeals strongly to a particular niche and creating fans of that anime series. A lot of anime is created knowing it probably won’t be the one that makes them the big bucks, and that’s why you see so much creativity in the anime industry. |
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| This is coming from someone who openly states their favorite genre is shounen so in all fairness, I am almost definitely biased. However, I really do feel like we take the most shit from random other fans. I would have selected Mainstream fans but the difference between mainstream fans and shounen fans are the mainstream fans don't generally tend to interact with the actual anime community all that much or in large doses so there are less opportunities for them to actually have to deal with anyone insulting them for their taste in anime or the shows that they happen to enjoy. Shounen fans (the ones who only watch shounen) generally tend to be involved enough to take a large brunt of the backlash that comes with that limited scope of shows that they are willing to watch. I know I personally started out as someone who was only interested in watching shounen anime. Luckily for me, I was pressured and pushed into watching a more well-rounded selection of great anime I ended up enjoying so I do think this pressure can be good for people but if you take it too far you can just as easily push people away rather then open then up to all the other wonderful genres anime has to offer. |
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MathValim said: Other people disliking anime that you like isn't oppression, man, come on… Of course not...but we're talking about actual bullying here. Example: "All fans of [X] are idiots who should kill themselves." You might argue 'They're just joking'. But that's really not funny...especially when many anime fans already have depression or have a hard time being accepted for one reason or another. |
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| I just want to thank everyone for interesting replies to this post. ( ´ ∀ ` )ﾉ It was a risky one that could have devolved in to toxicity but most posts have been interesting to read. Although, there is one user who I'm fairly certain only stopped posting because their exclamation mark key broke... MathValim said: Other people disliking anime that you like isn't oppression, man, come on… I mean... the phrase "oppression olympics" is in the title dude. I think it's quite clear I was using "oppression" in a semi-ironic way to introduce a subject in a way that had some good humor. Chiibi said: MathValim said: Other people disliking anime that you like isn't oppression, man, come on… Of course not...but we're talking about actual bullying here. Well, not only that. I was hoping for some serious discussion in addition to some light-hearted posts too. Though, again, the use of the word "oppression" was kind of facetious. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| 'Oppression' is definitely accurate in some cases though :( If it's to a point where fans are AFRAID of speaking their mind because of verbal abuse, we gotta big problem. That's just not normal. Okay, maybe it's 'normal' but I don't think it's healthy. It's fine to not like things...but please don't make others FEEL BAD about it, you know? |
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| The ironic thing about making it a vote is that most popular stuff is going to get more win... which is generally an indication of having lots of people to defend them, ie. not being very oppressed. So yeah, very unsurprisingly mainstream is currently winning. Gee, I wonder why. Of course, getting less votes doesn't mean something is automatically more oppressed... I just think think public vote is a poor way to try and estimate this. Based on just MAL I personally voted for shoujo/josei/BL. |
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