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| This episode was decent.Also the political part is seriously a bit annoying thou im sure this has significance because of the way thngs r going. |
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| 1/5 This not an anime anymore, but political propaganda They make it sound like if you don't want immigrant or freeloaders/refugee in your country then you must be an evil person. |
| Desmond's song where so beautiful. Miserere mei, deus & All I See. For sure some of my favorite songs besides of all songs Carole and Tuesday made together. |
| Desmond voiced by Yamadera Kouichi felt like Utsuro saying his final words to Gintoki and Takasugi, but tbh I liked it, it's very soothing to hear. |
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| Desmond was sure an interesting one poor Spencer has it rough; he's a nice guy and a good brother, but is getting sucked up in his mother's politics - really don't like Valerie |
| If there were a spinoff series about Roddy I'd watch them There's almost no information about him, how does he spend so much time hanging out with them, didn't he like work or something? |
FMmatron said: Great episode, Desmond's voice, his words and his death have me intrigued. R.i.p eccentric fellow. I'm just annoyed slightly annoyed by the blatant political parallels. By politics? Just don’t say that Watanabe got to this in an attempt to please a western audience. |
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-michira- said: If there were a spinoff series about Roddy I'd watch them There's almost no information about him, how does he spend so much time hanging out with them, didn't he like work or something? I'm in for that! Roddy is the most precious thing in the whole anime! |
| A true sad tragic episode for Desmond... i hope this experience will make the 2 girls more mature and and understand a true nature of the love of singing... 5/5. |
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| I like the show, really, but it seems that they have lost the direction. This episode feels pointless, what that Desmond says is not really groundbreaking and feels a bit forced to make the show appear deeper. And the whole political side story also doesn't fit quite well, especially, since we still know little to nothing about Mars and that timeline. I wish they would expand more on the characters and explain the world building more than introducing some random characters and storylines... The only part I like was the part about the dad and his backstory. KuroYume-96 said: -michira- said: If there were a spinoff series about Roddy I'd watch them There's almost no information about him, how does he spend so much time hanging out with them, didn't he like work or something? I'm in for that! Roddy is the most precious thing in the whole anime! Count me in as well! |
shiroi-ookamiAug 2, 2019 2:55 PM
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Mich666 said: ShiningLion said: I don't understand what connection can be made to Tuesday's dad. Desmond was talking about a young guy he was once in love with who died young. Tuesday's dad is supposedly living on Earth somewhere. I think her mom or brother would have told her if he was dead, and it seems a little messed up to imagine Desmond is eternally in love with someone who went on to marry and have kids with someone else, so I have no idea how you made this connection. This scene on pic below was clear flag to me. The fact that Tuesday remembers the album which belonged to her father (which was Desmond coincidently) can either mean the Desmond is her father and then this would be his mother's memento hidden from Tuesday's eyes or that her father and him actually knew other in the past, and that Desmond was possibly the reason why he left them. Her mother hatred of the Earth needs to have some origin too and it's most likely tied to her husband too. Also he was talking about things that happened roughly 20 years ago and Carole and Tuesday are 17 years old, that's no coincindence here and they certainly wouldn't introduce such weird story if it was for nothing. Dude I think he was just a fan of Desmond's music. I don't think it's that deep. I also disagree that Desmond was just "another guy". It seemed to me that he planted a seed in C&T to think about what they want to express in their music. That's not nothing, that's food for thought for them. Not sure about the political drama in the background but I'm interested to see what it does with it. |
| This show loves making it's musicians eccentric. Definitely a more philosophical episode. but it was nice. The political stuff is really heating up as well, but I wonder how it will all tie together. I mean sure we have "oh no MC's evil mom is president" but will the connect it to the music somehow. Clearly the refugee thing is going to relate very directly to Carole. Maybe some kinda plot point about her dad not being able to come back. |
| I really like Desmond as a character. He's cool, and his songs were wonderful. The election side story is starting to be pretty annoying, I get that we need to learn more about Tuesday's family to fully develop her character, but I feel like the show is switching back to that subplot a tad bit too much. Also, did anyone else notice that the title of the episode is ''God Only Knows'', and the record on the transitioning screen had ''The Beach Boys'' printed onto it? It was a reference to a Beach Boys song :D. I thought that was really cool... |
Mich666 said: Man, they are really pushing their politics way too hard. Never thought I would see any anime mirror our modern world problems so blatantly. Anyway, didn't really liked this episode much, whole plot about Desmond felt like mindfuck for the sole purpose to make this episode look deep and even though I kinda liked his intro song (well, he was probably modelled after David Bowie), the rest of the episode felt really slow and boring thanks to its ephermal sleep-inducing atmosphere. In the end, he just felt another random guy with little no impact to overall story and even if they guy he was talking about was Tuesday's dad, the plot of both girls still moved exactly nowhere (apart from the politics which seems like the main topic of the show right now in the second cour rather than Carole and Tuesday's journey. Also, the fact about embryo he was talking about is not true and the radiation mentioned is just an excuse for way to many effeminate characters around. And it's not consistent - how come some people are affected and some not? This is just another example how everyting bends just for the sake of the story in this series. inb4 - they really leave the Mars and head towards the Earth in the end, which will tie into real life concerts of both singers. I know I might be poking the bear by saying this and I wouldn’t be shocked if I’m on the end of some SJW screeching, but I agree with you. The fact of the matter is, Desmond’s sexual identity played ZERO bearing on the plot to this anime, so it makes me wonder why the creators implemented it unless they were trying to make some sort of cultural statement (considering the political angle they are going with regarding Valerie, I wouldn’t be surprised). I’m not necessarily against them putting a transgender person in the anime...my big beef with it is why make it a focal point, especially considering that it really didn’t have much of a bearing on anything? For me, it felt like a detractor because the time they wasted trying to explain it, they could have done literally anything else to advance the plot. I probably didn’t dislike this episode as much as you did, but I would say that this was probably one of my least favorite episodes so far...just because it felt the plot didn’t progress. There were some things about this episode I did like. Desmond’s insert songs were beautiful and I did find his story sad, but I could have lived without the political statements this episode was trying to make. |
TheUnknownKnown said: papsoshea said: What other legendary people they are going to show next - that just pop up for one episode? Mind you, Skip has returned with his band to help compose Army of Two with Toby. I hope the previously appeared singers will also return, like Krystal as Carole & Tuesday mentioned in this episode. Think she will, since she's a huge inspiration source for both Carole and Tuesday |
| Mars sure has moved closer to Earth if it can be seen this well... Tuesday's brother is trying to convince Trumpmom that Bannon is a bad influence for both her and the planet, but to no avail. Even robots are trolling poor Gus... :D Desmond turned out to be androgynous indeed. Guessed so after seeing his similar looks to Angela's mom, and looks like I was right. |
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| Don't really get that "Mars affects some people and changes their gender" thing. Does it affect males only? Can people born on mars turn androgynous or it's earth people only? Needs a lot of explanation. I just hope it won't affect the main duo, that would be just overkill imho. |
-michira- said: Does it affect males only? Probably both, Angela's mom seems to have been originally female, based on her name. |
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luinthoron said: -michira- said: Does it affect males only? Probably both, Angela's mom seems to have been originally female, based on her name. wait so she turned male and then again female? I guess I missed something. wasn't there a picture where Angela's mom was her dad or something? |
-michira-Aug 3, 2019 7:29 AM
Bobby2Hands said: IAintAllBad said: Also, u can't see the earth from mars like that, it should be an infinitesimal dot Not exactly an "infinitesimal dot", I have seen Mars from Earth and it just looks like a large star. Looking at Earth from Mars it would appear to be a very large star but you still wouldn't be able to make out the water and land like we see in C&T The difference being you see mars at night and it's also bright red, don't think how mars looks to us from here but think it as venus but darker(dark oceans instead of golden clouds) and farther away. |
| Desmond reminds me of Prince for some reason. A white Prince. I wasn't expecting him to just die on them. His AI is his personal doctor, photographer, assistant and everything. I want an AI like that. Damn, I can't imagine having Trump as your mother. Poor Tuesday. |
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| welll to think he will die like that...... the episodes are so unique one after the other |
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| welll to think he will die like that...... the episodes are so unique one after the other |
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| WAIT.... Did anyone else notice the name of the currency they used?! "Woolongs" |
StormofBladeZ said: WAIT.... Did anyone else notice the name of the currency they used?! "Woolongs" Same as in Cowboy Bebop you mean |
ShiningLion said: The music of this episode was just stunning. Can't wait to hear the full versions. This episode was really thoughtful and inspiring, but like others I am pretty nervous where this political plotline is going. It's way too on-the-nose with what is going on in a lot of developed nations currently (though the US seems to be the one being caricatured with the Clinton/Trump hybrid). I really hope this show continues to mostly stay about music and what the girls' journey means, not get too deeply invested in politics that will not age well. We'll see, I guess. Also, apparently Desmond didn't die, but went into a coma. I wonder why? That's so strange. Is his sickness linked to the radiation that causes androgyny I wonder? Why do you think will not age well? That political issue in particular has the potential to be ageless, we'll always have immigrantion disputes. This will always been something as long as territorial wars aren't valid anymore. And Mars seems totally settled in the show, so territorial disputes are now out of question there, and this pushes the struggle to immigration and market arenas. |
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Luxeraph said: Bobby2Hands said: Not exactly an "infinitesimal dot", I have seen Mars from Earth and it just looks like a large star. Looking at Earth from Mars it would appear to be a very large star but you still wouldn't be able to make out the water and land like we see in C&T The difference being you see mars at night and it's also bright red, don't think how mars looks to us from here but think it as venus but darker(dark oceans instead of golden clouds) and farther away. Earth from Mars would be a bit dimmer that Venus from Earth. However, the main difference is that the Earth's Moon is so large (compared to other moons) that it would also be visible to the naked eye from Mars, so you could spend you Martian nights watching the little white dot slowly make its way around the bright blue one. |
| Honestly, I'm starting to find this whole political plot kinda annoying I mean, I couldn't care less for politics in an anime about music but whatever. Anyways, nice episode overall. Desmond's character sure left quite an impact in both C&T so I hope from now on, they can keep his words in mind every time they do their art. I myself found him rather interesting but some part of me still thinks a character like him should have been presented way earlier in the series so that, his POV about music and posterior "death" would have been more impactful for the viewer. That's just my mere opinion tho. |
| Fuck, this episode was bizarrely enigmatic and really damn good -- maybe my favorite episode yet. I don't have any interest in "representation" but the way Desmond was written into show and this episode is fantastic. His ethereal music stands out in the mire of stock pop that makes up most the rest of the soundtrack, and his lyrics provokingly off-kilter and emotionally resonant for what may be a first in this series. And most importantly, his character arc is hauntingly bittersweet and I'm a bloody sucker for this sort of thing. I hope you're reunited with the one you cherish. :'( Desmond's music was really, really good and I'd love a full album of his stuff. If anyone knows anything similar IRL, hit me up. |
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| Desmond being gay was nice. Wonder how the hormones changing on Mars have an impact on other people, or is it to different extents depending on the person. |
| Maybe it's because I took a pretty big break from this or maybe it's just the episode but I couldn't help but find it hilarious. The incredibly on the nose space trump juxtaposition of disgust versus Desmond's beauty, which came down to them singing and making everyone teary eyed instantly which got a chuckle out of me, and Desmonds seeming pretentiousness all around. The kingdom they made, the fact they were set up to be wheelchair bound, understanding the true beauty of singing, and avoiding their medication to make them the fallen sensei figure that one day the girls will understand and live up to. The talk about life not being eternal but linking up circles to live probably forever through each other and now they live through the girls. It was like, a lot to take in and the only emotion it got out of me was laughter. Desmond just came into the story to play this role like that? REALLY? I know this anime can be contrived and sometimes it plays to its strengths, but the predictability of this and the way it didn't make me feel any of the beauty it presupposed, and the amount of wisdom shoved into this character we just met to make this bombastic and probably long-lasting episode just didn't work for me. If Valerie says "make mars great again" at any time in this series I will lose it... It wasn't all bad by any means, in fact, as I said, I laughed a lot and enjoyed this episode, just not for the intended reasons. Desmond is a character archetype I love, I find being a mix of man and woman like they are or the Okama in One Piece like Bon Clay or Ivan powerful, and appealing. Demond just happened to come off way too strong and the emotions shown to me were nothing like what I felt, somehow the scene where Carole's father told her who he was got to me so hard I cried, but this one just laughter. I think the dad scene was built up to make me care about it with some more subtlely even if not that much, it felt much more genuine and not so heavy handed. I felt I got to know Dann and see his struggle and his love for his daughter as well as his guilt and it culminated in a heartfelt scene at the end while having more screen time than this. For this episode's strengths, there was also Gus and Roddy making that bet at the beginning which was wonderful, and overall having them fangirl over Desmond was great, and seeing Gus about to cry numerous times was much appreciated too. Plus, the AI companion of Desmond was another cool look into this world's AI and there was talk about mars radiation, an interesting concept. Edit: To be more clear and less rambly, I think this episode would have come off far better to me if it was in manga form or in writing of some kind. I could actually digest what was happening and take my time with it. Overall everything Desmond felt heavy handed and too fast paced for someone I don't care about saying things that I don't have time to absorb and think about. Because of that the emotional effect on me was the opposite of what I think was intended. |
gfsdfgsdgsdfgsAug 16, 2019 2:22 AM
| what a boring episode lmao i admit Desmond looked quite "ethereal" for a bit while talking, but other than that, this episode was just... please no... lol not to mention his song... i couldn't even hear it :v |
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| damn desmond just invited them over to talk and then pass away (i think). seems like he's based off of prince and david bowie to me, i like the nice touch of how he loved a man too. nice representation. i wonder how the whole hormone thing is. cause it seems to me like angela's mom was originally male, and then we have desmond who was originally male. no females we've seen to have it the other way around. |
| Desmond is/was a pretty interesting character, pretty fucked up how he just pretty much killed himself in front of people he'd met a couple hours ago lmao |
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Bobby2Hands said: IAintAllBad said: Also, u can't see the earth from mars like that, it should be an infinitesimal dot Not exactly an "infinitesimal dot", I have seen Mars from Earth and it just looks like a large star. Looking at Earth from Mars it would appear to be a very large star but you still wouldn't be able to make out the water and land like we see in C&T Unless in C&T they've found a way to move Mars's orbit closer to the sun, which is probably possible to do with their level of technology in the show |
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| I was not ready for the short break but this episode was worth the wait. Although nothing really exciting happened, I loved the girls meeting with Desmond. It was wholesome to see that nature is such a big part of his artistic life. What a wonderful musician he is! And his music is absolutely lovely and relevant too. I wonder which artist he represents, But I am thinking about Bowie -- that would be great. |
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| Man, what a powerful episode. Honestly, Desmond's talk about his views on life and music were deeper than I was expecting for this show. and his calm passing where he choose the ability to sing over his own life was a shocking yet very meaningful moment. Might be my favorite episode of the series thus far. eryn-chan said: I wonder which artist he represents, But I am thinking about Bowie -- that would be great. Bowie came to mind for me, too, as well as Prince. I think the character could have been inspired by both of them. |
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| Desmond was an amazing character, even though he only had an episode of screen time. I feel like this meeting will elevate them to further heights, as they'll really start realizing the joy of music and what it really means. Really liked all the music in this episode: from Desmond's song to the bgm, very solid. One of my favorite episodes so far! |
thepath said: 1/5 This not an anime anymore, but political propaganda They make it sound like if you don't want immigrant or freeloaders/refugee in your country then you must be an evil person. Not political at all. Like the other candidate said, it is just basic human decency. I don't like bringing politics to anime discussions, but aren't you just assuming that immigrants will freeload. |
Prezzix said: thepath said: 1/5 This not an anime anymore, but political propaganda They make it sound like if you don't want immigrant or freeloaders/refugee in your country then you must be an evil person. Not political at all. Like the other candidate said, it is just basic human decency. I don't like bringing politics to anime discussions, but aren't you just assuming that immigrants will freeload. I said "....immigrant OR freeloaders/refugee....... ". I did not say all immigrants = freeloader. My point is that there is noting wrong with someone not wanting immigrants (not just illegals but even legals). Many countries around the world don't have immigration laws and green cards or whatever. even if you work in their countries for 50 years, you won't become a citizen. Yet if a Westerner say I don't want immigration, he would called a racist, fascists or whatever. Western countries don't have obligation to accept any immigrants or have any immigration laws. They have every right to change the law and ban immigration. Outsiders don't own them anything. 2nd point, there is noting wrong for someone supporting only legal immigrants. But not illegals, refugee or random people with unknown education level and criminal records or people who hate western way of life (like some muslims). And there is noting wrong with deporting people who break the law and come illegally. |
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