Why does hentai get looked down upon?
| They think it's fanservice whereas it's fapservice. |
| I don't hate hentai, but I'm not a huge fan of it. A lot of hentai has a TON of incest, rape, loli, and shota which in general, are kind of weird things to be into.... If hentai wasn't all that, I doubt it would be disliked as much. This is just my personal opinion though. People can be into whatever they want, but in my personal opinion, I rather not watch something that involves any of the 4 things I mentioned especially when it's involved in something such as hentai. |
| Thw whole lolicon and shota in hentai is disgusting and pedophile while the incest is worst in my opinion. I have morals. I have nothing against hentai that occasionally I even watch (not straight hentai). |
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| Because it’s pornographic, some people don’t like that. It’s understandble, I’m not into porn so much but if you’re into that good for you But it’s funny how people say loli/shota isn’t cp because...that’s literally what it is. the terms loli/shotacon literally are used for people who like underaged people. you guys are gross. |
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| Since Europoor is a dictatorship that oppresses lolis, America will take all of them in as refugees. We will fight for a loli's right to be lewded by onii-chan. Make America Loli Again.  |
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| Isn't the situation referenced by OP about copyright, rather than hentai? A friend of mine mentioned this earlier today, and this matches the information given in post #9: Daemon said: That thread is 48 pages long so I didn't read through the whole thing, but from the OP you linked, it sounds like that guy is shutting down his site because his tendon injury prevents him from sitting in front of a computer - theoretically someone else could move the site to a server that isn't in the Netherlands? Also, I'm not sure whether the Netherlands legislation he referred to was actually about lolis because I don't think he mentioned what it was specifically. It may have to do with copyrights, because if it were just lolis, he could have just removed all loli content. Edit: Okay I'm back after doing some shoddy research, and it seems that I was right about this not being a problem with lolis/shotas. Looks to be mainly the admin not wanting to maintain the site anymore, and if there is any government interference involved, then it is due to copyright issues. If so, this thread is inaccurate fearmongering. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Isn't the situation referenced by OP about copyright, rather than hentai? A friend of mine mentioned this earlier today, and this matches the information given in post #9: Daemon said: That thread is 48 pages long so I didn't read through the whole thing, but from the OP you linked, it sounds like that guy is shutting down his site because his tendon injury prevents him from sitting in front of a computer - theoretically someone else could move the site to a server that isn't in the Netherlands? Also, I'm not sure whether the Netherlands legislation he referred to was actually about lolis because I don't think he mentioned what it was specifically. It may have to do with copyrights, because if it were just lolis, he could have just removed all loli content. Edit: Okay I'm back after doing some shoddy research, and it seems that I was right about this not being a problem with lolis/shotas. Looks to be mainly the admin not wanting to maintain the site anymore, and if there is any government interference involved, then it is due to copyright issues. If so, this thread is inaccurate fearmongering. I mean, if you actually read what they said it says that the tendon injury is the reason why they don't want to play the game of changing where the servers are hosted every few months so they figured they had no other choice but to just stop right here since politics are forcing them into a situation where they either play this game or just quit. The tendon injury is not the reason why they shut down the site, it's just the reason why they don't fight back. The core reason is because of dutch politicians pretending that porn comics are the same as child porn and pressuring providers into submission. It's an insult to any actual child porn victims to pretend that people making random erotic drawings is comparable to the harm of actual victims that were involved with the production of child pornography. Anyone who supports claims like that is basically telling CP victims that their suffering is on the same level as that of random drawings, belittling very real issues in favor of being a moralfag over literal non-issues in fiction. It's nothing short of downplaying what harm actual CP does if you put it on the same level as doujins. Anyone who thinks like that should be ashamed of themselves and reconsider their priorities. |
AlcoholicideJul 27, 2019 5:20 PM
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Pullman said: I read the linked announcement, and unless I missed something, it doesn't differentiate between whether it's a copyright issue or an obscenity issue. If you know of a clearer post regarding this decision, do please let me know; I'll also ask my friend about it.I mean, if you actually read what they said it says that the tendon injury is the reason why they don't want to play the game of changing where the servers are hosted every few months so they figured they had no other choice but to just stop right here since politics are forcing them into a situation where they either play this game or just quit. The tendon injury is not the reason why they shut down the site, it's just the reason why they don't fight back. The core reason is because of dutch politicians pretending that porn comics are the same as child porn and pressuring providers into submission. Regardless though, at least the announcement is early enough as to giving the community a chance to archive any relevant materials. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Pullman said: I read the linked announcement, and unless I missed something, it doesn't differentiate between whether it's a copyright issue or an obscenity issue. If you know of a clearer post regarding this decision, do please let me know; I'll also ask my friend about it.I mean, if you actually read what they said it says that the tendon injury is the reason why they don't want to play the game of changing where the servers are hosted every few months so they figured they had no other choice but to just stop right here since politics are forcing them into a situation where they either play this game or just quit. The tendon injury is not the reason why they shut down the site, it's just the reason why they don't fight back. The core reason is because of dutch politicians pretending that porn comics are the same as child porn and pressuring providers into submission. Regardless though, at least the announcement is early enough as to giving the community a chance to archive any relevant materials. Where was copyright ever even mentioned? How do people get that idea? Why would dutch ministers care about the copyright of random japanese doujin artists? This is 100% a crusade against 'child porn', or rather something that pretends to be a crusade against childporn while actually leaving CP be and mostly harassing loli stuff. It literally takes 10 seconds to access CP on the darknet, but governments deem it more important to shut down doujin sites and nobody thinks that's a strange hierarchy of priorities. I really don't get moralfags... Just read up on the guy (https://nltimes.nl/2019/07/04/netherlands-fine-internet-companies-dont-remove-child-porn-quickly-enough) and you'll realize it's all about 'child porn' for him, which in his mind there is no difference between actual child porn and victimless drawings, and it's easier to go after the latter so that's what he's been doing. The same guy also wants to ban music festivals in an attempt to battle drug use. He's basically a lunatic who thinks limiting people's freedom is a non-issue when it comes to pursuing his personal politcal goals. |
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Pullman said: This thread is mostly people posting their opinions on hentai, loli content, etc., but post #9 caught my attention as it claimed that the issue was not about hentai etc. but rather about copyright. I made mental note of it but left it there since the OP doesn't say either way and I don't feel like bothering to check myself, but then a friend of mine mentioned it in a group chat and said the same thing, that it was about copyright, which is why I started becoming more curious and wondering whether the reactions here were actually applicable.GlennMagusHarvey said: I read the linked announcement, and unless I missed something, it doesn't differentiate between whether it's a copyright issue or an obscenity issue. If you know of a clearer post regarding this decision, do please let me know; I'll also ask my friend about it. Regardless though, at least the announcement is early enough as to giving the community a chance to archive any relevant materials. Where was copyright ever even mentioned? How do people get that idea? Why would dutch ministers care about the copyright of random japanese doujin artists? This is 100% a crusade against 'child porn', or rather something that pretends to be a crusade against childporn while actually leaving CP be and mostly harassing loli stuff. It literally takes 10 seconds to access CP on the darknet, but governments deem it more important to shut down doujin sites and nobody thinks that's a strange hierarchy of priorities. I really don't get moralfags... Just read up on the guy (https://nltimes.nl/2019/07/04/netherlands-fine-internet-companies-dont-remove-child-porn-quickly-enough) and you'll realize it's all about 'child porn' for him, which in his mind there is no difference between actual child porn and victimless drawings, and it's easier to go after the latter so that's what he's been doing. The same guy also wants to ban music festivals in an attempt to battle drug use. He's basically a lunatic who thinks limiting people's freedom is a non-issue when it comes to pursuing his personal politcal goals. FYI, if it's about copyright, then it could be a big problem, but in a very different way. |
GlennMagusHarveyJul 27, 2019 6:08 PM
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| @Pullman to my knowledge, the OP on e-hentai or whatever never cited which Dutch law he was specifically talking about, which is why people are making assumptions that it is either due to child porn or copyright issues. The tendon injury is the main reason why the site cannot be moved to another server, and his "wack-a-mole" analogy didn't make sense because not all countries have the same laws. Also, here is a relevant paragraph from the Netherlands wikipedia page about child pornography that goes against what you are saying: In 2010 a report was released by the Werkgroep Blokkeren Kinderporno (working group for blocking child pornography).[16] It compared the filter in its last form with information from the Internet Watch Foundation. While they had "much wider criteria", the number of websites on the block list went from 2000 in previous years to less than 400 in 2010. The report stated that in the Dutch situation this would mean an "almost complete lack of websites to block" because the sharing of the material was no longer done by conventional websites, but by other services. In 2011 the plan was pulled by Ivo Opstelten for this reason.[17] The House of Representatives reaffirmed this by voting against the filter later that year, effectively killing any plans for government censorship.[18] Also, another: In a 2010 case, after viewing the images in question, which were created on a computer, the court opined that the virtual child pornography images did not fall under criminal law. "All images can be termed as pornographic (three dimensional) cartoons, animations, or drawings. The court concludes that it is immediately obvious to the average viewer that the event is not real and that the images are manipulated images and not realistic." Furthermore, there is this: Although there is no Dutch law that legislates against under age depictions of sexual acts for computer generated images, the public prosecutor is investigating this on the basis that these virtual actions may incite child abuse in the real world.[10] So far this has not led to any successful prosecutions. So no, it doesn't look like it's due to the Dutch government forcing them to remove loli porn. |
 What's the difference? |
| I asked the friend and she said that it was due to a "European digital single market directive", which I presume is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market And therefore, due presumably to copyright issues, the site can't be re-created anywhere in Europe. |
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| Also I was curious about @Daemon's quotes so here are their sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_Netherlands |
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Daemon said: @Pullman to my knowledge, the OP on e-hentai or whatever never cited which Dutch law he was specifically talking about, which is why people are making assumptions that it is either due to child porn or copyright issues. The tendon injury is the main reason why the site cannot be moved to another server, and his "wack-a-mole" analogy didn't make sense because not all countries have the same laws. Also, here is a relevant paragraph from the Netherlands wikipedia page about child pornography that goes against what you are saying: In 2010 a report was released by the Werkgroep Blokkeren Kinderporno (working group for blocking child pornography).[16] It compared the filter in its last form with information from the Internet Watch Foundation. While they had "much wider criteria", the number of websites on the block list went from 2000 in previous years to less than 400 in 2010. The report stated that in the Dutch situation this would mean an "almost complete lack of websites to block" because the sharing of the material was no longer done by conventional websites, but by other services. In 2011 the plan was pulled by Ivo Opstelten for this reason.[17] The House of Representatives reaffirmed this by voting against the filter later that year, effectively killing any plans for government censorship.[18] Also, another: In a 2010 case, after viewing the images in question, which were created on a computer, the court opined that the virtual child pornography images did not fall under criminal law. "All images can be termed as pornographic (three dimensional) cartoons, animations, or drawings. The court concludes that it is immediately obvious to the average viewer that the event is not real and that the images are manipulated images and not realistic." Furthermore, there is this: Although there is no Dutch law that legislates against under age depictions of sexual acts for computer generated images, the public prosecutor is investigating this on the basis that these virtual actions may incite child abuse in the real world.[10] So far this has not led to any successful prosecutions. So no, it doesn't look like it's due to the Dutch government forcing them to remove loli porn. There are all quotes from 10 years ago, when they didn't have a minister crusading against childporn tho. New personal means new agenda means new laws or new interpretation of laws. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but it does mean that the quotes you offered aren't really speaking much to the motivation of certain politicians in 2019. I'm still pretty sure that even if copyright is the official issue, that's just something they use to selectively pressure sites like e-hentai because of their loli content. I mean I'm not 100% sure that is their motivation, but based on what I've heard and read about the guy behind those crackdowns it's very hard for me to imagine any other motive. Do you really think they care that much about pretecting the copyright of lolicon artists? I'm like 95% sure that that is not the reason why they want to block that kind of content, to support the creators of loli porn. At best it's a legal crutch allowing them to take action against this kind of stuff. At worst it's complete bullshit trying to distract from what is essential an issue of freedom of expression and thought. It's not like every single thread on the topic, even among the anime community which is gonna be more open towards this kind of stuff, isn't full of people in support of thought crime laws like this. Lawmakers and the public are just waiting to ban lolicon content. If nothing else it's a nice way of testing how supportive people are of their own thoughts being policed. With something 'agreeable' as banning loli porn you're off to a good start and once the predecent is set banning other unwanted ideas, thoughts or literature is not that difficult. |
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Bayek said: Since Europoor is a dictatorship that oppresses lolis, America will take all of them in as refugees. We will fight for a loli's right to be lewded by onii-chan. Make America Loli Again. If they don’t do stuff like this, I’ll be down with that |
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| Wait, e-hentai is shutting down? Excuse me while I download everything I have bookmarked. It's gonna take a while. |
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| ehentai getting shut down? Shit,That is the worst news I heard in the year. |
| Eh, never really been all that into hentai to begin with. Just takes the few problems I have with ecchi to the next level which makes a lot of them damb near unwatchable to me. |
| Eh, never really been all that into hentai to begin with. Just takes the few problems I have with ecchi to the next level which makes a lot of them damb near unwatchable to me. |
| - hentai animation is crap... - The story.... uh, very predictable.. - Hentai is not even better than Echi anime with lot of fanservice (atleast for me) |
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| Everyone watches some kind of porn, I don't believe anyone who says they don't so don't try and deny it. Personally though, I prefer jerking off to ecchi than hentai because I'm a softcore vanilla fan. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
DeadlyRavenAug 19, 2019 3:41 PM
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| I think they don't like the plot and score it by standars of a normal non-hentai anime. Even people that score by enjoyment (which a lot of people - including me - do) could try to score by their "plot enjoyment" not focusing in fapping. (Trying to watch it when you are not in the mood to fap.) But makes no sense to me. Hentai and non-hentai are 2 different kind of things. I score hentai by fappability and how much I liked the shown fetishes. Non-hentai I score by plot. And unfortunately ecchi often makes chars less likable and the plot often sillier = score getting lower for me. Since I can't fap (no hentai) I can't score it as hentai if it is ecchi only. --- Also some feminists/SJW might not like the fun of rape (= being forced to have fun ... which it is usually in fictional hentai where no real people get hurt and the ficitonal people even have fun in the end). |
| Most people I have heard say that it's weird to fap to drawings. |
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| I don't think it's about hentai itself, more about fetishes they don't like and want to see gone, with the veil of "but think of the children" (when obviously much worse shit happens in real life and hell, even amongst prolific virtual signalers). I despise real life porn - it's disgusting that real people's lives are ruined, and the objectification and etc etc -, though I love hentai, and I hate animated hentai. It's just very lazy, it looks bad, and there's too much moaning - the latter isn't a dealbreaker, but the two others are, definitely. There's an archival effort here. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
DeadlyRavenAug 19, 2019 3:42 PM
Pullman said: There are all quotes from 10 years ago, when they didn't have a minister crusading against childporn tho. New personal means new agenda means new laws or new interpretation of laws. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but it does mean that the quotes you offered aren't really speaking much to the motivation of certain politicians in 2019. Possibly, though the quotes I provided still show evidence of court precedence ruling against the notion that "loli drawings = child porn," and I would assume the page would have been updated if there had been any major changes in Dutch policy on this issue since that's literally what the page is about. I mean I'm not 100% sure that is their motivation, but based on what I've heard and read about the guy behind those crackdowns it's very hard for me to imagine any other motive. Do you really think they care that much about pretecting the copyright of lolicon artists? I don't know what you mean by this. The copyright laws are there for other, bigger artists and probably not Japanese doujin artists in general, but they have to apply it to every website regardless or the law wouldn't make sense. I'm like 95% sure that that is not the reason why they want to block that kind of content, to support the creators of loli porn. At best it's a legal crutch allowing them to take action against this kind of stuff. At worst it's complete bullshit trying to distract from what is essential an issue of freedom of expression and thought. Has that Justice Minister actually come out and said that he is cracking down on loli, though? Nothing in my short Google search on him indicated that, nor did the article you posted earlier, though I could be wrong since I don't know much about him. |
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Ryuk9428 said: But, what if...I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as my own cooking? >D I were to fap to something that isn't porn? >DEveryone watches some kind of porn, I don't believe anyone who says they don't so don't try and deny it. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Ryuk9428 said: But, what if...I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as my own cooking? >D I were to fap to something that isn't porn? >DEveryone watches some kind of porn, I don't believe anyone who says they don't so don't try and deny it. Still counts................................ |
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| Probably because it's hard to fap when you're laughing. Hentai is usually so over the top that I can't take it seriously, more so than other porn, but I can see why that'd be part of the draw. Animation allows you to do thing you can't do in real life... especially with sex. |
Vini310 said: After talking all that, how do you feel knowing that I love shotacon, not because of kids, but because I like older women and see myself as the shota of the relationship (I'm 20, by the way)? Hey, I like shota for the exact same reason! Straight shota is a way of expressing ideas visually about relative maturity and sexual power, or perhaps a way of reminiscing how alluring mature (and unobtainable) women seem in a man's youth, or at least to me (though I can barely call myself a "man" without laughing). I'm starting to think hentai is very different from live-action porn since I believe it is an extremely self-referential medium (just like anime and it's endless cliches that only make sense to otaku); in live action porn, particularly in the West, one believes that the "symbols" are reflexively pointing to actual reality. Thus to Westerners, porn can only refer back to an indecent act. The signs and symbols in hentai (like anime) are not referring to lived reality but to ideas and concepts, making it self-referential and even more removed from reality. |
| I highly doubt that a lot of people dislike it, cus with normal porn, most people skip to the part they do it anyway If anything, it's more of a preference thing rather than like/dislike imo, because in hentais they tend to do this thing, where it's like they just put this one gif on loop with the girl's mouth moving here and there to make it seem like she's talking, but that should be pretty much it. I wish I watched more of it to know any good ones, but all I've watched is the one with that one guy being forced to work at a manga cafe, and it suddenly turns into a harem. |
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| You've just been hanging out with the wrong people is all On a serious note, personally I'm not into but I'm cool with people who watch it but people be judgmental af Just do you guys |
Loki-777Jul 29, 2019 2:31 AM
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| Politicans anywhere always use minorities as their stepping stones, either as a scapegoat or a leverage. |
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| It seems like most people who hate it are always vocal about it, but many videos on Hanime.tv have millions of views so obviously there is still a good amount of hentai fans out there. Although, I prefer eroge since the art and voice acting is much better. |
| Last I checked, there should be some sort of utility from the enactment of a law. You illegalize murder, less people get killed; you illegalize theft, less people have their stuff stolen. Can someone tell me what is to be gained by disallowing drawings? Regardless of which attributes you perceive the drawing has, it is at the end of the day, a drawing. If you wanna argue for an entailment that exposure to such material causes, you first need to establish that entailment empirically. As the person making the claim that such entailment exists you have the burden of proof on that. |
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| I don't hate Hentai. I only hardly picture how people can be sexually aroused by drawings, that is all. So every once in a while, I watch them for the campy production values. When I think the fetishes are way too creepy to be fun matter and may curtail my viewing experience, I simply choose not to watch. At least, in most titles, you know what to expect as the main key categories of interest are often clearly indicated in databases. If anything, I wish people would watch more of it and less Ecchi, so that this crap genre stop trickling so much onto mainstream anime through light novel adaptations and such. |
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| Because it's hentai? Me-I like hentai, but not all of it. I've found some hentai that's so disgusting that it literally makes me want to puke my guts out. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| Because they haven't seen any of the good shit. This is why I keep telling people watching Night Shift Nurses should be mandatory in high school. |
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| What good shit? Sodomy, cocksucking, futanari, shitting, armpit fucking, etc? |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| 90% of h-manga/anime is pretty meh or just straight up trash imo It's all about finding the right artists |
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