The price of Brexit has been £66 billion so far, plus an impending recession — and it hasn't even started yet
| This wouldn't have happened if the UK left the EU years ago. |
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| Sad that things have come to this. Hoppy said: This wouldn't have happened if the UK left the EU years ago. Based on your feelings? |
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| Yet they're still gonna import more migrants that will put more strain on the system. The problem isn't brexit, it's the current retarded government. |
jennicide said: Yet they're still gonna import more migrants that will put more strain on the system. The problem isn't brexit, it's the current retarded government. come on, we are talking about economic. why it always about migrants? QPR said: What do you expect with the EU only interested in punishing the UK? Of course there will be a dip, you regroup and recover. The average person has not noted a single thing yet. The businesses are just pissed off their endless supply of weak labour has gone. As for house prices, good, the need to drop about 40% more because it's ridiculous that a couple earning £25k a year each cannot afford even the smallest house. A one bedroom flat in London can can cost half a million or more. umm.. the whole fiasco is in UK side. EU has said it welcome any british choice, may it cancel brexit or even hard brexit (which parliament has stated what they already do so). the fine is not punishment because it also costly for EU to re administrated and renegotiated the whole bureaucracy and deal. some member may have personal grudge against UK, but EU has set of law it can't across either. they may pick the worst, but they can't surpass the line. the final said still in hand bunch of parliament and committee.. Kyotosomo said: Brexit would have been perfectly fine (and probably the right decision) if they worked out a deal like Greenland did but instead because the British government is so incompetent (although to be fair the EU has been doing everything they can to make these negotiations a living hell for them to punish them for leaving) they simply haven't been able to get it done and would have been better off just never exiting in the first place. They should probably give up but given the sunk cost fallacy it probably feels like for a lot people well shit they already wasted so much money and time we can't stop now lol but they really should just give up becomes at this point things really do seem futile. aren't Greenland pretty much disagreed on fishing rights area in arctic back in 80's? and they agreed to soft exit in order to maintain fishing rights (that in the end doesn't change much from quo, but at least their fishing rights is not disturbed) and maintain the rest? now they are closer ever since? __________________ why people treated like EU punish UK by giving them fine which it was British who impose it? that's simply cost. it's like you filled for divorce yet doesn't want spend any money on proceedings and court. obviously, that's not gonna happen. |
KumaApr 8, 2019 6:40 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: jennicide said: Yet they're still gonna import more migrants that will put more strain on the system. The problem isn't brexit, it's the current retarded government. come on, we are talking about economic. why it always about migrants? Because migrants affect the economy? |
changelog said: This whole Brexit fiasco is due to our government's incompetence. A second referendum would have solved everything and we could have happily remained within the EU. In all fairness I respect Theresa May for doing the that job no one wants to do right now. A second referendum would be a slap in the face of the democratic process. You can’t just have another vote just because you didn’t get the results you wanted. Theresa May isn’t doing her job, she’s actively working against the will of the majority. |
| I don't think this is surprising at all. The majority of economists have been saying Brexit would cause significant harm to the UK ever since they started campaigning for the referendum. @QPR I know we have talked about this before, but I don't think that's the reason for trouble with Brexit. It's mostly UK's internal issue. The root of the problem is that it is impossible to have a) hard Brexit b) no Irish border c) no UK internal border all at the same time. It is possible to have two of those but not three. I think this video explains it quite well: Of course, if you think it's about EU you can tell me what's the UK's official stance on this dilemma. |
| The brits really need to get their house in order pretty quickly and figure out what they want to do about this whole brexit business or it'll be biting them in the ass bigtime. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| Not sure how Brexit was supposed to be a easy thing. I mean the referendum wasn't some massive landslide we can say clearly shows the will of the people, the government seems to want something that it can't attain, and blaming the person who has no choice in the matter really (May) but to leave her post. It looked like a bad decision based on the up in the air, way we'll find a way to leave. This is like watching some teen try to move out of their parents house out of impulse, and now can't find a way to make it out in the world w/o risking starting off on a bad-footing. The parent gets to sit back (EU; albeit worried a bit) and watch to see their kid's next frantic move. But in the end has left options for the teen to leave (with some help, no help, stay and pay rent) but said teen wants another option that favors them even more--why, when they're the ones deciding to leave? --my take and rant on it-- |
| "In the end the World really doesn't need a Superman. Just a Brave one" |
| I have to admit: It is quite entertaining to watch the news nowadays. 1-2 years ago it was because of Trump. Today we have some national stuff here in my country. Then stuff in the far east. (Elections soon and Bibi is in full action mode. :D) The Brexit is fun as well. Interesting to seem the British government making a laughingstock out of themselves and their nation (which hunddreds of years ago was a proud and big empire) - by countlessly voting on same/similar stuff they can't get a majority on. Now as far as I've heard it will automatically be a "hard" brexit (= no deal) should they not decide to accept a deal in the next few days while the EU also votes against an extension of the negotations. (And afaik some countries are already against it and only 1 against it and there won't te an extension.) |
jennicide said: Kuma said: come on, we are talking about economic. why it always about migrants? Because migrants affect the economy? What are you talking about? migrants rarely affect economy in a bad way. Most developed countries are the most open ones. |
 "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." |
| Britain's economy is gonna get fucked for sure. |
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." |
| I sometimes lose faith in america's government due to our plethora of problems, but then I look at this shitstorm and am at least appreciative its not this fucking backwards. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Silverstorm said: Not sure how Brexit was supposed to be a easy thing. I mean the referendum wasn't some massive landslide we can say clearly shows the will of the people, the government seems to want something that it can't attain, and blaming the person who has no choice in the matter really (May) but to leave her post. It looked like a bad decision based on the up in the air, way we'll find a way to leave. This is like watching some teen try to move out of their parents house out of impulse, and now can't find a way to make it out in the world w/o risking starting off on a bad-footing. The parent gets to sit back (EU; albeit worried a bit) and watch to see their kid's next frantic move. But in the end has left options for the teen to leave (with some help, no help, stay and pay rent) but said teen wants another option that favors them even more--why, when they're the ones deciding to leave? --my take and rant on it-- I know we've disagreed on things before, but I think that's a good description lol. I agree with the first part as well. Maybe it would have been different if one of the sides had an overwhelming majority, but currently it just splits the people into two camps. |
| How about the UK ship out the old fucks who voted for Brexit instead. |
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Stripes said: A sizeable chunk of them will probably die of old age before Brexit ever happens.How about the UK ship out the old fucks who voted for Brexit instead. |
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Scud said: Stripes said: A sizeable chunk of them will probably die of old age before Brexit ever happens.How about the UK ship out the old fucks who voted for Brexit instead. Kinda hammering the point that people of a certain age shouldn't vote on shit that'll effect on going generations. |
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thevagus said: What are you talking about? migrants rarely affect economy in a bad way. Most developed countries are the most open ones. Depends on how it's implemented. What's happening in Europe and the US right now with the flood of unskilled, under educated migrants certainly isn't helping anything. |
Stripes said: Scud said: A sizeable chunk of them will probably die of old age before Brexit ever happens. Kinda hammering the point that people of a certain age shouldn't vote on shit that'll effect on going generations. At what age does one become an "old fuck?" |
jennicide said: thevagus said: What are you talking about? migrants rarely affect economy in a bad way. Most developed countries are the most open ones. Depends on how it's implemented. What's happening in Europe and the US right now with the flood of unskilled, under educated migrants certainly isn't helping anything. I don't think that should even be the case. Those floods are mostly from countries suffering from war. At the most, those refugees become useful to the country. I mean no one wants to leave their homeland but they are forced to. But in this case every nation should come together to fight terrorism but, today's condition in middle east is created by superpowers like US and Russia for their selfish agenda. There is no way, one can stop floods of immigrants if this thing about power in global politics is going on. I don't think immigration is really important topic. Mostly racist people are against immigrants. Economically, it is always better to have immigrants. US would never become biggest economy if it weren't for immigrants(both legal and illegal) |
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." |
| Was Brexit ever about improving the economy? I know some people were tossing around nonsense about the government saving money on EU fees, healthcare and whatnot, but was that an actual driving force or just post hoc rationalization? Genuine questions. I think the strongest arguments for Brexit (which aren't necessary strong) are social/cultural in nature. On another note, when business magazines talk about something being bad for "the economy", it's often fair to interpret that as meaning bad for business executives, the financial sector and the upper classes generally. That's not the same as being as bad for the middle or lower classes, though their interests do overlap. The impacts of Brexit would vary across and within classes, industries, regions and other dimensions. "The economy" obscures the nuances. Brexit would probably be disruptive and costly for everyone in the short term, but I think it's possible to make an argument that the middle and lower classes could come out ahead in the long run. For example, if Brexit caused reduced international trade with Britain, then Britain would have to manufacture more of its own stuff and grow more of its own food, creating jobs in sectors that have historically provided work for the middle and lower classes. Maybe reduced immigration would contribute to positive wage growth and/or more affordable real estate. (I'm not totally convinced of this line of reasoning, just throwing it out there.) jennicide said: 30. At what age does one become an "old fuck?" |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
jennicide said: Kuma said: come on, we are talking about economic. why it always about migrants? Because migrants affect the economy? unless you get immigrant like 10% of your population, no it doesn't. especially in macro schema. unless you are talking about micro separated scane, which has debunked by your own government report. |
KumaApr 8, 2019 4:59 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
thevagus said: jennicide said: Depends on how it's implemented. What's happening in Europe and the US right now with the flood of unskilled, under educated migrants certainly isn't helping anything. I don't think that should even be the case. Those floods are mostly from countries suffering from war. At the most, those refugees become useful to the country. I mean no one wants to leave their homeland but they are forced to. But in this case every nation should come together to fight terrorism but, today's condition in middle east is created by superpowers like US and Russia for their selfish agenda. There is no way, one can stop floods of immigrants if this thing about power in global politics is going on. I don't think immigration is really important topic. Mostly racist people are against immigrants. Economically, it is always better to have immigrants. US would never become biggest economy if it weren't for immigrants(both legal and illegal) I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense. Understanding the problem with letting millions of undocumented people into your country doesn't make you a racist, it means you have some common f--king sense. I've seen the negative effects first hand that illegal immigration has had on certain industries by bringing wages down and making it harder for small businesses to compete with larger ones using cheap "slave" labor, so don't tell me it's always better. |
QPR said: NthDegree said: Of course, if you think it's about EU you can tell me what's the UK's official stance on this dilemma. The EUs stance is to punish Britain to prevent other from leaving leaving the dictators without a gravy train. I am sure the EU countries would love a straight up trade deal. Mays stance was to let the Germans write up the "deal" and agree to everything without negotiation. Hence the "deal" ties us even further into the EU than before. The MPs don't want the deal (one so bad she only put it out to look at at 2am before the vote and one which the top UK lawmaker read overnight and put out a message that is was abysmal) and don't want a hard brexit and the EU won't renegotiate. The only option is a hard brexit which could easily have been avoided by having proper negotiations. ie agree a free trade deal on day one and then move onto other things. come on, give the source already. EU has prepared for no deal brexit. macron (i hate him too) even emphasis that if they want delay, they have to follow strict condition. even willing to kick UK out of EU. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/09/frances-poundland-de-gaulle-could-yet-kick-britain-eu-week/ literally the one stopping brexit is no one but UK them self. where is the sound of pro brexiter politician now? Nigel literally Nominate himself again in EU parliament. |
KumaApr 9, 2019 1:49 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
QPR said: The EUs stance is to punish Britain to prevent other from leaving leaving the dictators without a gravy train. 100% head-in-the-sand bollocks. The only people who are punishing Britain are the Brexiteers. Blaming the EU is just complete "it can't be our fault, it has to be someone else's fault". (Some Brexiteers today are even managing to blame the Queen for not sticking a middle finger up to British democracy by vetoing the extension bill.) I am sure the EU countries would love a straight up trade deal. This is irrelevant, since the UK government isn't interested in any plausible trade deal, it wants the moon on a stick. The UK had the best possible deal, it was called EU membership. The government just can't accept that any deal it strikes will inevitably be worse. It's put off looking at reality for as long as it can, but now that reality is approaching like a train at full speed and they just won't get off the line. |
| Was it worth it? If you voted for this nonsense and you live in the UK, you gotta be asking yourself that. And UK, when the fuck are you just gonna admit you fucked up??? You should've NEVER had a referendum on this.....Democracy is straight up RETARDED if you're asking the common folk who let's face it are too DUMB to understand complex political things if it's OK to allow the UK economy to go off the side of a goddamn cliff! And what's even MORE retarded is that only 51% agreed....for something so monumental, it should've been a great majority.....at least 2/3 of the population or hell even higher! Or better yet, you DON'T allow people to vote on shit like this! I mean, can you imagine if we allowed dumbass Americans on whether or not we should scrap the Constitution? Yup, they are stupid enough to say YES to that! That's why you DON'T allow a vote on things like that. |
--ALEX-- said: And UK, when the fuck are you just gonna admit you fucked up??? Last poll I heard, remain was at 56%, so most of the UK knows it. Brexit is now being driven mostly by a group of about 50 Tory MPs called the 'European Research Group'. (They don't do any research, it's basically a bunch of xenophobes.) What can't the UK get the deal the EU gave to Canada, Australia and Japan? A free trade deal with no penalties. That's all the UK wants. EU membership is a free trade deal with no penalties. It is far more comprehensive than the deals with Canada, Australia or Japan because the UK economy is so tightly coupled with the rest of Europe. (As a natural consequence of being geographically together.) A trade deal like Canada, Australia or Japan have would not be nearly free enough, the economy would suffer hugely. It did not have the best deal before, that's why Cameron asked for reform and why we got the referendum. No. All that happened because he promised it in order to use the promise as a bargaining chip with the Liberal Democrats after the 2015 election, and because he thought he could pry some of the racist vote away from UKIP.. He was expecting to drop it in exchange for the Lib Dems dropping some of their policies in a second coalition. When the Conservatives unexpectedly got a small majority because of the broken electoral system, he was stuck with it. |
QPR said: What can't the UK get the deal the EU gave to Canada, Australia and Japan? A free trade deal with no penalties. That's all the UK wants.. Because the UK just said "fu EU." then turned around and said. "But i still wants your moneh." Seriously would you want to trade with some one who just told you to go fuck yourself? |
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QPR said: NthDegree said: Of course, if you think it's about EU you can tell me what's the UK's official stance on this dilemma. The EUs stance is to punish Britain to prevent other from leaving leaving the dictators without a gravy train. I am sure the EU countries would love a straight up trade deal. Mays stance was to let the Germans write up the "deal" and agree to everything without negotiation. Hence the "deal" ties us even further into the EU than before. The MPs don't want the deal (one so bad she only put it out to look at at 2am before the vote and one which the top UK lawmaker read overnight and put out a message that is was abysmal) and don't want a hard brexit and the EU won't renegotiate. The only option is a hard brexit which could easily have been avoided by having proper negotiations. ie agree a free trade deal on day one and then move onto other things. But you didn't answer my question. Try again. :V What is UK's stance on which two it wants to keep out of a) hard Brexit b) no Irish border c) no internal border? Since having all three at the same time is logically impossible. |
QPR said: logopolis said: 100% head-in-the-sand bollocks. The only people who are punishing Britain are the Brexiteers. Blaming the EU is just complete "it can't be our fault, it has to be someone else's fault". (Some Brexiteers today are even managing to blame the Queen for not sticking a middle finger up to British democracy by vetoing the extension bill.) This is irrelevant, since the UK government isn't interested in any plausible trade deal, it wants the moon on a stick. The UK had the best possible deal, it was called EU membership. The government just can't accept that any deal it strikes will inevitably be worse. It's put off looking at reality for as long as it can, but now that reality is approaching like a train at full speed and they just won't get off the line. What can't the UK get the deal the EU gave to Canada, Australia and Japan? A free trade deal with no penalties. That's all the UK wants. It did not have the best deal before, that's why Cameron asked for reform and why we got the referendum. >fuck you EU and your trade deal >maybe we want those trade deal >oh wait, we need those trade deal seriously? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
QPR said: Kuma said: >fuck you EU and your trade deal >maybe we want those trade deal >oh wait, we need those trade deal seriously? Or in reality, we would like what we signed up for in the 70s, a free trade deal only. Not unlimited immigration, not to be ruled by EU courts, not the Euro, not to be ruled by unelected dictators, not a Euro army and a whole host of things slowly and silently foisted on us since the 70s. No different to a couple getting divorced and still remaining friends, but the EU wants the children, the car, the house, the season tickets to the hubbys football team and even his underwear. Just because. what? your own brexiter like nigel farange literally elected himself in EU. also if you disagree with immigration, you can always negotiate them. eastern Europe seems smarter than UK. also Euro Army was also reactivated by UK, in fact the one who refuse it is denmark, ireland, and greece, since for them, NATO is enough. also yes, EU want them, because it's their own, you know? obviously. why you demand something that not yours to begin with? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
QPR said: NthDegree said: What is UK's stance on which two it wants to keep out of a) hard Brexit b) no Irish border c) no internal border? Since having all three at the same time is logically impossible. A- They want to keep on delaying until they can get another vote or just revoke A50 B- The EU said they would put a border there, its their problem. C- They said there would be passes so people could get through but not trucks. Thats what they said, not that its my own view point. The problem is that's not the official stance, as there is currently no consensus in UK parliament on it. That's why I specifically asked for what the 'official' position on this was. EU can't really do anything, neither good nor bad, before the UK decides on it. If you want what you wrote to come true, you need to talk to the other Brits who disagree, not the EU. To me it seems like May would have initially preferred leaving N. Ireland to the customs union (hence they agreed on a backstop) but because the government requires support from DUP which is strictly against internal borders they can't reach an agreement. So far I haven't really seen any politicians advocating for the Irish border, so I imagine that option is even less popular. Either way, before the British parliament has made up their minds, EU is just a bystander in this. |
NthDegreeApr 10, 2019 2:15 AM
QPR said: I don't even believe May is doing what the UK wants, I believe she is on the side of the EU and wants to remain, hence this whole clusterfuck. The EU will agree to a delay even though they said they wouldn't unless a deal was nearly agreed because they are scared of a no deal. I want one country to stand up to the dictators and say no. The EU is not a bystander, any one of the EU countries can unilaterally declare no deal this Friday if they want to. In fact the UK public wants just that. Both May and the EU are desperate for remain but the MPs are wildly split hence the only option in no deal which is the default but it will never happen as May is not negotiating for the UK. She's a traitor who will resign and get a job with the EU right after this. Hence why they wanted all EU personnel exempt from any UK prosecution for any crimes. Ireland is a non issue at the moment except that they will lose 80000 jobs. 98% of Mays deal is disastrous so it's not like we sort Ireland out and it's then done. The way I see it is that the EU countries have given the UK the freedom to choose. They certainly could just close the border if they wanted to, but modern economies are so integrated by now that doing so would also harm them, so nobody wants to do that. There is nothing stopping the UK from simply not requesting extensions and just taking the hard Brexit either but the British parliament has explicitly voted against it. As it stands the both sides are passive, hence calling EU a 'bystander'. You say 'the public' want this and that, but you have not brought up any evidence to suggest so. In the first place the Brexit vote was almost 50/50, so I think it's highly unlikely any one option has such unanimous support. If that was the case the politicians would have already jumped on it. I get the feeling you are misunderstanding May's position. The courts have already ruled that the British government has no right to decide on Brexit. That right belongs to the UK parliament alone. So even if May was intentionally malicious, she would not be able to do anything (if she had the power to decide UK would have already taken the previously negotiated deal). In order for Brexit to commence the parliament needs to vote in the favor of it. By the way, if you say May is a traitor for resigning, what do you think of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and the other Brexiteers who resigned the second Brexit won the popular vote? I'm not saying you can't call someone a traitor but... please be consistent with the word. Ireland being a non-issue is only in your own opinion. However, for anything to happen the parliament needs to agree on it too and that has not happened so far. So although you personally might have a clear stance on it, even you must agree that there is a big political issue in getting enough members of the parliament vote for that suggestion. |
NthDegreeApr 10, 2019 9:19 AM
NthDegree said: This is the main point I think is forgotten. At best they could also renegotiate with the EU (only if the EU wants to) who've already said they weren't open to a new deal--probably why May is abroad with Macron and Merkel. I get the feeling you are misunderstanding May's position. The courts have already ruled that the British government has no right to decide on Brexit. That right belongs to the UK parliament alone. So even if May was intentionally malicious, she would not be able to do anything (if she had the power to decide UK would have already taken the previously negotiated deal). In order for Brexit to commence the parliament needs to vote in the favor of it. And thank you, I think we can agree on somethings as well |
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QPR said: hazarddex said: Because the UK just said "fu EU." then turned around and said. "But i still wants your moneh." Seriously would you want to trade with some one who just told you to go fuck yourself? So we leave with no deal and that harms all the Euro economies as well as the UKs because the dictators feelings were hurt, now that's hardly good leadership, is it? It's enough to make anyone want to leave. Oh yes because we all know humans are creatures of logic and not emotions/s |
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Silverstorm said: NthDegree said: This is the main point I think is forgotten. At best they could also renegotiate with the EU (only if the EU wants to) who've already said they weren't open to a new deal--probably why May is abroad with Macron and Merkel. I get the feeling you are misunderstanding May's position. The courts have already ruled that the British government has no right to decide on Brexit. That right belongs to the UK parliament alone. So even if May was intentionally malicious, she would not be able to do anything (if she had the power to decide UK would have already taken the previously negotiated deal). In order for Brexit to commence the parliament needs to vote in the favor of it. And thank you, I think we can agree on somethings as well What would be a deal that could satisfy the Brits though? As I pointed out before their current stance of having a hard Brexit while maintaining the both no Irish border and no internal border is logically impossible. So unless the parliament can decide on that first it is literally impossible for any deal with EU to satisfy their conditions. But yeah, until the British parliament decides on what it wants to do (or EU runs out of patience and refuses the extend the DL) we're stuck in a deadlock. |
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