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Mar 22, 2019 2:49 PM
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KiLLZONE15JYU said:
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There's some heavy irony that you're agreeing with someone that mentions having KL do literal turn to zero is bad but the anime not doing a literal jaw is bad.
I see but this season is rushed so I know everyone is bashing in on it but I think this season wasn't exciting at all.

I dunno man, the voting results here still has the "majority" as loved it!, but thats besides the point. This episode is actually generally well liked least on reddit anyways.
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Tiau said:
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I see but this season is rushed so I know everyone is bashing in on it but I think this season wasn't exciting at all.

I dunno man, the voting results here still has the "majority" as loved it!, but thats besides the point. This episode is actually generally well liked least on reddit anyways.
I just don't what to say because I feel like nobody like this series and even Accelerator PV 2 looks better but you seem like a nice person but it's just hard to call this a great adaptation since it's rushed and the first two seasons. Sorry if I said things that were rude to you.
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KiLLZONE15JYU said:
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I dunno man, the voting results here still has the "majority" as loved it!, but thats besides the point. This episode is actually generally well liked least on reddit anyways.
I just don't what to say because I feel like nobody like this series and even Accelerator PV 2 looks better but you seem like a nice person but it's just hard to call this a great adaptation since it's rushed and the first two seasons. Sorry if I said things that were rude to you.

Yes and I understand that, but I also do believe in giving credit where its due instead of acting as if literally everything is negative.
Accelerator was always expected to look better for me as its a brand new entry, that means you have to make first impressions if they plan on continuing it.
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Tiau said:
KiLLZONE15JYU said:
I just don't what to say because I feel like nobody like this series and even Accelerator PV 2 looks better but you seem like a nice person but it's just hard to call this a great adaptation since it's rushed and the first two seasons. Sorry if I said things that were rude to you.

Yes and I understand that, but I also do believe in giving credit where its due instead of acting as if literally everything is negative.
Accelerator was always expected to look better for me as its a brand new entry, that means you have to make first impressions if they plan on continuing it.
Yea I got to agreed the acting of Okamoto was awesome but hope you are doing ok with all this negative around you even if people disagree with you.
Mar 22, 2019 3:43 PM

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Season 3 continues to be a mix of poor animation and car crash directing. Honestly there have been moments this season i want to go upstairs and throw my index Blu Rays out of the window.

Hamazura should have killed Mugino. Talking her down is such a BS Shounen trope. Not believable in the slightest. Still don't really understand why everyone is fighting but hey ho here I am at episode 24.
Mar 22, 2019 3:46 PM

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Tfw Birdway in the PV.

I want to say I'm scared of a NT anime, but let's face it even a shitty adaptation will help keep the franchise relevant. Another 7 year hiatus will kill a potential NT sequel (just read the prologue to latest volume, it's likely ending soon).
Mar 22, 2019 4:11 PM

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Botato said:
Tfw Birdway in the PV.

I want to say I'm scared of a NT anime, but let's face it even a shitty adaptation will help keep the franchise relevant. Another 7 year hiatus will kill a potential NT sequel (just read the prologue to latest volume, it's likely ending soon).


NT:R is still happening, and by god Kamachi would finish it, even if it means writing it online for free.

He does writing as a hobby (that he sometimes make money from), but the goal is writing, so he doesn't really care about the publishers, even if they axe him.

Besides Miki made him a website just so he can have all the fun of writing without worrying about things like sales, vol count, or basically everything.
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Mar 22, 2019 4:21 PM

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Damn always love that meltdowner sound fx, i thought Birdway doesn't appear in OT yet?
Mar 22, 2019 4:58 PM

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The entire Hamazura plotline should have been just removed and Misaka could have been given that screen time instead. I'd rather see the quips and banter between her and her clone than seeing all this wasted on Hamazura's encounters which have contribute little to nothing towards this arc. Cannot believe this much build up between them led to something so stupid.
Mar 22, 2019 9:17 PM

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I too am not that fond of Hamazura's plotline, I skipped through his scenes this episode and went straight to Touma V Fiamma's.
Mar 23, 2019 1:05 AM

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-Stray said:
I have no idea what happened that confirmed an NT adaptation

I guess the reason why people thought NT anime is confirmed because Leivinia will gonna shows up in next episode (Despite the fact she did make a cameo appearance in LN version of this arc) and how the new Index mobage game includes the NT characters in it.

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i thought Birdway doesn't appear in OT yet?

Not counting SS2, didn't she appeared briefly in British Royal arc (Which the anime skipped it) and in WWIII arc?
Mar 23, 2019 5:23 AM

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@-_entei_- There are so many blonde girls in this series, but it's definitely her! A bit different angle. Whom do you refer, cause
Mar 23, 2019 5:29 AM

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i really enjoyed a lot this episode, the dark aura inside touma was really scary,holy crap i got some chills from there
Mar 23, 2019 6:37 AM
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@-_entei_- There are so many blonde girls in this series, but it's definitely her! A bit different angle. Whom do you refer, cause
Mar 23, 2019 11:38 AM

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Man some people in this thread make toumas memory look flawless.


"How come his arm comeback."

Litterally foreshadowed back in season 1.
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Am I the only one who genuinely does not understand why Hamazura is even still relevant? I get that his little love interest with Takitsubo is cute and all, but what does it have to do with Fiamma and the war in Russia? Is there something in the novels that I don't know about, or isn't being explained well in the anime? Because from my perspective, nearly half of this episode was wasted on Miguno randomly showing back up, only to (once again) stumble over herself and not manage to kill literally the easiest target in front of her. Then Hamazura suddenly takes all this pity on her, wanting her to come back with him and re- instate ITEM. Nevermind the fact that Miguno literally pushed Takitsubo almost to point of death with those ability crystals.... and the fact that I THOUGHT Takitsubo was Hamazura's main concern, yet here he is, cradling that monster Miguno in his arms and seeming to completely forget the fact that Takitsubo is still missing and probably wounded....

I just don't understand why so much time is being spent on this, especially now with all of the logical inconsistencies with Hamazura suddenly wanting to help Miguno at the expense of Takitsubo. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL STORYLINE involving irrelevant little side characters such as Accelerator, Last Order, Mikoto, the Sisters, etc., are getting almost no screentime. But like I said, they're apparently just there as support. Hamazura is obviously the one that this whole series revolves around *obvious sarcasm*.

Oh well, at least Touma vs. Fiamma was mildly amusing. Just, is there something I'm missing with Hamazura that anyone could help me out with, as to why he's almost getting more screentime now than the core characters (for god's sake, Mikoto is lucky just to be in the ending credits now lol).
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Wow, lots of people actually complaining about Touma’s Invisible Thing, whatever it’s called. I didn’t read the LN, and probably won’t unless I literally have nothing else to do. Someone please tell me how they should’ve depicted the part with the Invisible Thing appearing....I’d like to know how it was supposed to go, according to the LN readers.

Not that it changes my thoughts about this season, anyways.
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ooo i dont really remember much with the right arm scene from the novel but Touma telling that thing off is pretty much a good decision since its cool af lol.

and Birdway! Well if they have NT planned i would hope for a 3 cour first season up until the end of the Othinus arc if possible. Otherwise, this is gonna be a mess again(although, ill prolly still like it anyway).

@elisile he's supposed to be someone thats like a wildcard to tge chairman of academy city's plans. he was supposed to be a pawn that got discarded long ago but continues to live and now has become an unstable factor in their plans. He's pretty much relevant. At least he should be if the anime didnt mess everything bout him up lol
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@Unshackled Okay, I assumed that there must have been more to him in the novel, since right now it makes no sense why his arc is even getting screentime when Mikoto, probably the most important character after Touma and Accelerator, literally barely gets only a few seconds of dialogue in the ending credits. And I would imagine that fans of the Raildex universe are a hell of a lot more invested in the Misaka situation than they are in ITEM lol.
Mar 23, 2019 9:23 PM
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Has no one read the the warning that this is an Anime Only discussion
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I thought the episode was pretty solid for what it was. Muginos final moment and Hamazura were done extremely well, and you could practically see how destroyed she was to begin with even as anime only. The invisible thing was also cool, yes it's supposed to be mostly invisible but I think the black energies were an alright choice considering the lack of narration present in the novel. That scene was supposed to be confusing in the LN, it's okay to simplify something like that.

Many other eps have memes like Curtanas dimensional wreckage but this one was great imo.

Mar 24, 2019 2:49 AM

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A bit late but I finally watched the episode..... TomHazard and arp1001 is right, the way they handled IT was a mess (Hand crushed is not how IT appeared but more like something went berserk.... Eh, no idea how to explains that). They also shorten Hamazura vs Miguno fight for a little bit, but at least it wasn't as bad as in BR arc and Hamazura's monologue to Mugino was nicely done.

Aside of that and Stiyl/Mikoto's action scenes was skipped, this is actually one of the better episodes in this season so far and it's far better than the previous one in terms of animations.


I still have no idea which part of this episode confirmed NT anime lol. Even if it does, it should be obvious as NT is pretty much the reason why this season is rushed as fuck, not to mention Lessar, Leivinia and Othinus also gets their VA long before this season even started.

Ryuseishun said:
Wow, lots of people actually complaining about Touma’s Invisible Thing, whatever it’s called. I didn’t read the LN, and probably won’t unless I literally have nothing else to do. Someone please tell me how they should’ve depicted the part with the Invisible Thing appearing....I’d like to know how it was supposed to go, according to the LN readers.

Not that it changes my thoughts about this season, anyways.

Off topic: If you didn't read the LN, why is your signature have Touma x Othinus image (Which was a fan art referenced to Index LNs) there? Lol
Mar 24, 2019 4:25 AM

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well hamazura... saving people hmm.. can't get over the fact that brenda is dead.... she was a nice loli... how did kamijo arm grew back.... does that mean the power was behind the arm but not in the arm itself
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MahiaErebeaNegi said:
A bit late but I finally watched the episode..... TomHazard and arp1001 is right, the way they handled IT was a mess (Hand crushed is not how IT appeared but more like something went berserk.... Eh, no idea how to explains that). They also shorten Hamazura vs Miguno fight for a little bit, but at least it wasn't as bad as in BR arc and Hamazura's monologue to Mugino was nicely done.

Aside of that and Stiyl/Mikoto's action scenes was skipped, this is actually one of the better episodes in this season so far and it's far better than the previous one in terms of animations.


I still have no idea which part of this episode confirmed NT anime lol. Even if it does, it should be obvious as NT is pretty much the reason why this season is rushed as fuck, not to mention Lessar, Leivinia and Othinus also gets their VA long before this season even started.

Ryuseishun said:
Wow, lots of people actually complaining about Touma’s Invisible Thing, whatever it’s called. I didn’t read the LN, and probably won’t unless I literally have nothing else to do. Someone please tell me how they should’ve depicted the part with the Invisible Thing appearing....I’d like to know how it was supposed to go, according to the LN readers.

Not that it changes my thoughts about this season, anyways.

Off topic: If you didn't read the LN, why is your signature have Touma x Othinus image (Which was a fan art referenced to Index LNs) there? Lol


Yes it was fanart.
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Elisile said:
Just, is there something I'm missing with Hamazura that anyone could help me out with, as to why he's almost getting more screentime now than the core characters (for god's sake, Mikoto is lucky just to be in the ending credits now lol).
What you're missing is that, very simply, Mikoto is not a main character while Hamazura is.

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@-_entei_- There are so many blonde girls in this series, but it's definitely her! A bit different angle. Whom do you refer, cause
That never happened in OT.
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Ryuseishun said:
MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Off topic: If you didn't read the LN, why is your signature have Touma x Othinus image (Which was a fan art referenced to Index LNs) there? Lol


Yes it was fanart.

I know. My point is why you have that Othinus image in your signature when you never read LNs? Since Othinus haven't shows up in Index anime yet, at the very least it will just have her name mentioned in next episode (Well if J.C didn't skipped the dialog), I don't think you actually know who is she without reading LNs.

I'm just curious about this lol.
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MahiaErebeaNegi said:
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Yes it was fanart.

I know. My point is why you have that Othinus image in your signature when you never read LNs? Since Othinus haven't shows up in Index anime yet, at the very least it will just have her name mentioned in next episode (Well if J.C didn't skipped the dialog), I don't think you actually know who is she without reading LNs.

I'm just curious about this lol.


A friend on my discord server shared some of the official artwork and some fanart after I questioned who she was from that one anniversary PV she showed up in...even though it was just a brief cameo. I got curious, but not to the point of actually reading the Shinyaku novels (though I kinda plan to one day).
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Ryuseishun said:
MahiaErebeaNegi said:

I know. My point is why you have that Othinus image in your signature when you never read LNs? Since Othinus haven't shows up in Index anime yet, at the very least it will just have her name mentioned in next episode (Well if J.C didn't skipped the dialog), I don't think you actually know who is she without reading LNs.

I'm just curious about this lol.


A friend on my discord server shared some of the official artwork and some fanart after I questioned who she was from that one anniversary PV she showed up in...even though it was just a brief cameo. I got curious, but not to the point of actually reading the Shinyaku novels (though I kinda plan to one day).

I see. Well no surprise if you interests at her after seeing 10th anniversary PV, as she does look good and have a nice design (Not counting that half naked clothes she wears lol).

I will not spoiling anything about her, but I can tell you that she is one of the most popular Index characters in the series (She is ranked as the third best female character, only bellow to Mikoto and Index), she also won the best LN girls list for around 2 and 3 times along with Mikoto.

The Touma x Othinus ship is quite popular too if you curious about it (I still prefers Touma x Mikoto tho lol).
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MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Ryuseishun said:


A friend on my discord server shared some of the official artwork and some fanart after I questioned who she was from that one anniversary PV she showed up in...even though it was just a brief cameo. I got curious, but not to the point of actually reading the Shinyaku novels (though I kinda plan to one day).

I see. Well no surprise if you interests at her after seeing 10th anniversary PV, as she does look good and have a nice design (Not counting that half naked clothes she wears lol).

I will not spoiling anything about her, but I can tell you that she is one of the most popular Index characters in the series (She is ranked as the third best female character, only bellow to Mikoto and Index), she also won the best LN girls list for around 2 and 3 times along with Mikoto.

The Touma x Othinus ship is quite popular too if you curious about it (I still prefers Touma x Mikoto tho lol).


Yea I really do like her overall character design, especially the witch's hat and patch over her eye.
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Damm that was one hell of entrance that Mugino had there. She's still crazy as ever huh. Hamazura's decision to try and make peace though sure was a surprise. The talk that between the two though sure was heartwarming due to the feelings that he had and his desire to return to how it was back then. Hmm to think that Lessar is a patriot though. Fiamma's own spells combined with that of index's sure made him a difficult opponent. Still Touma's arm being able to regen sure was an interesting turn of events. Touma's response to someone like Fiamma trying to save the world though was priceless. The Misaka clones are always so fun to see lol. Hope that Misaka will get to the battlefield at some point though. It will be awesome to see her fight alongside Touma.
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Shingster said:
The talk that between the two though sure was heartwarming due to the feelings that he had and his desire to return to how it was back then.



That was actually my biggest problem with this episode. Miguno has turned crazy and A) Killed Frenda, B) Tried to kill Takitsubo, C) Tried to kill Hamazura, and D) is now trying to track down and kill both him and Takitsubo simultaneously. Yet, for no apparent reason that the anime shows, Hamazura is suddenly holding Miguno and begging her to let things be how they once were. But that makes zero sense, since the way things used to be involved her being a crazed nutjob who didn't care a lick for the lives of any of them, even before ITEM disbanded. So I don't even know what Hamazura is talking about when he references the "good old times". And meanwhile, as he's wasting all this time with Miguno, where is Takitsubo? The show has set us up to believe that she's the only one he cares about, so why is he suddenly forgetting about her to try and help Miguno, the woman who's only tried to harm him and Takitsubo for her own selfish gain since the beginning?


Look, if they didn't want Hamazura to pull the trigger while Miguno was down, I understand that. He would have been justified in killing her, of course, but if they wanted to show him having compassion, then that's fine. But the whole "I'm gonna reminisce about the non- existent good times with you, a murderous monster, while the girl I supposedly love is still god- knows- where and probably injured"..... Nah. Especially not when it wastes the entire first half of the episode.
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What you're missing is that, very simply, Mikoto is not a main character while Hamazura is.



Really? I always thought Mikoto was in the top 5 of main characters (along with Touma, Accelerator, Index, and Last Order). On the periphery of the core cast, you might have folks like Kanzaki, Stiyl, Itsuwa, Kuroko, Uiharu, etc. Then from there, you have characters which might not be regulars, but do have clear relevance to the storyline. These would be characters like Acqua, the English princess wielding Curtana, Sasha, Poggle, Fiamma, etc.


ITEM itself was never shown to have relevance to the broader storyline. Unless I missed something during that massive clustertruck of a Battle Royale arc, it seems like Hamazura just kinda popped in out of nowhere to be the love interest of Takitsubo and the raging target of Miguno. But I still haven't seen the anime (not talking about the LNs) explain how any of the ITEM/ Hamazura/ Miguno story is even relevant to the Magic vs. Science struggle, or the Touma vs. Fiamma battle.


Accelerator is there because he needs to help Last Order, and he'll need the help of magic to decipher those documents. Mikoto is there because she wants to help Touma. Hamazura is there because..... ? He had to get away from Miguno, and so he just happened to end up in Russia? Because that's all I got from this "throw 5,000 concepts at you every 30 seconds and hope you can make sense of it all before the next 5,000 concepts hit you in the next minute" anime.

I was able to keep up pretty well for the first two seasons, along with Railgun and the movie, but this thrid season has just been hard for me to follow completely. I get the general flow of what's going on, but now I feel like there must have been a bunch of key details that I missed earlier on in the season, back when every scene change was flipping between 1,000 different mercenary organizations we didn't even know about who were trying to all kill each other for.... reasons? I'll be honest that I could barely understand anything during that entire Battle Royale arc, and it must be having some sort of impact now, because apparently Mikoto, who has been one of the staples of this franchise since season 1, has consistently strong relevance to the plot, has even gotten her own spinoff, is maybe even more popular now than Touma himself, etc., is suddenly not a main character, whereas Hamazura, someone who, only while writing this, did I even remember that he appeared in the end of season 2, apparently is a main character all of a sudden. When did this flip- flop occur?
When did Mikoto become irrelevant and Hamazura become the star? Hell, even seeing the Amakusa show back up would seem to make more sense lol.

Sorry if it seems like I'm ranting. I'm just trying to explain why I'm so lost. Maybe I need to go back and re- watch the last episodes of season 2, because all I really remember from those was something about Accelerator joining GROUP and Mikoto's mom being really drunk, and just as I was writing this, I vaguely remember Touma confronting Hamazura at the very end, and I remember even being confused back then as to why on earth they were ending an entire season there.
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Elisile said:
Shingster said:
The talk that between the two though sure was heartwarming due to the feelings that he had and his desire to return to how it was back then.



That was actually my biggest problem with this episode. Miguno has turned crazy and A) Killed Frenda, B) Tried to kill Takitsubo, C) Tried to kill Hamazura, and D) is now trying to track down and kill both him and Takitsubo simultaneously. Yet, for no apparent reason that the anime shows, Hamazura is suddenly holding Miguno and begging her to let things be how they once were. But that makes zero sense, since the way things used to be involved her being a crazed nutjob who didn't care a lick for the lives of any of them, even before ITEM disbanded. So I don't even know what Hamazura is talking about when he references the "good old times". And meanwhile, as he's wasting all this time with Miguno, where is Takitsubo? The show has set us up to believe that she's the only one he cares about, so why is he suddenly forgetting about her to try and help Miguno, the woman who's only tried to harm him and Takitsubo for her own selfish gain since the beginning?


Look, if they didn't want Hamazura to pull the trigger while Miguno was down, I understand that. He would have been justified in killing her, of course, but if they wanted to show him having compassion, then that's fine. But the whole "I'm gonna reminisce about the non- existent good times with you, a murderous monster, while the girl I supposedly love is still god- knows- where and probably injured"..... Nah. Especially not when it wastes the entire first half of the episode.

He's showing compassion, because if you remember Hamazura himself was practically forced to do terrible things by Academy City himself during his first appearance(ironically, his Skill Out group was a group for greater peace effectively). On another note, ITEM does hang out on downtime as friends, you see this in Railgun.
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Elisile said:
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What you're missing is that, very simply, Mikoto is not a main character while Hamazura is.



Really? I always thought Mikoto was in the top 5 of main characters (along with Touma, Accelerator, Index, and Last Order). On the periphery of the core cast, you might have folks like Kanzaki, Stiyl, Itsuwa, Kuroko, Uiharu, etc. Then from there, you have characters which might not be regulars, but do have clear relevance to the storyline. These would be characters like Acqua, the English princess wielding Curtana, Sasha, Poggle, Fiamma, etc.


ITEM itself was never shown to have relevance to the broader storyline. Unless I missed something during that massive clustertruck of a Battle Royale arc, it seems like Hamazura just kinda popped in out of nowhere to be the love interest of Takitsubo and the raging target of Miguno. But I still haven't seen the anime (not talking about the LNs) explain how any of the ITEM/ Hamazura/ Miguno story is even relevant to the Magic vs. Science struggle, or the Touma vs. Fiamma battle.


Accelerator is there because he needs to help Last Order, and he'll need the help of magic to decipher those documents. Mikoto is there because she wants to help Touma. Hamazura is there because..... ? He had to get away from Miguno, and so he just happened to end up in Russia? Because that's all I got from this "throw 5,000 concepts at you every 30 seconds and hope you can make sense of it all before the next 5,000 concepts hit you in the next minute" anime.

I was able to keep up pretty well for the first two seasons, along with Railgun and the movie, but this thrid season has just been hard for me to follow completely. I get the general flow of what's going on, but now I feel like there must have been a bunch of key details that I missed earlier on in the season, back when every scene change was flipping between 1,000 different mercenary organizations we didn't even know about who were trying to all kill each other for.... reasons? I'll be honest that I could barely understand anything during that entire Battle Royale arc, and it must be having some sort of impact now, because apparently Mikoto, who has been one of the staples of this franchise since season 1, has consistently strong relevance to the plot, has even gotten her own spinoff, is maybe even more popular now than Touma himself, etc., is suddenly not a main character, whereas Hamazura, someone who, only while writing this, did I even remember that he appeared in the end of season 2, apparently is a main character all of a sudden. When did this flip- flop occur?
When did Mikoto become irrelevant and Hamazura become the star? Hell, even seeing the Amakusa show back up would seem to make more sense lol.

Sorry if it seems like I'm ranting. I'm just trying to explain why I'm so lost. Maybe I need to go back and re- watch the last episodes of season 2, because all I really remember from those was something about Accelerator joining GROUP and Mikoto's mom being really drunk, and just as I was writing this, I vaguely remember Touma confronting Hamazura at the very end, and I remember even being confused back then as to why on earth they were ending an entire season there.


Well no, you wouldn't be wrong in saying Hamazura at this exact point and time has nothing to do with the story of GRS's shenanigans or Accelerator's conflict. But he himself exists because he's the closest you got to someone who's truly not involved and being impacted by everything, he's important because he's a wildcard that shouldn't really be doing the things he's doing so he's a unchecked factor in everything, in this arc in particular he gives you a insight on how everyone else is handling this war, but also one of the examples of Science and Magic characters teaming up(him and Acqua) which served to develop Acqua even more.
Mikoto never really was that important in OT, she's a side character here more so than Hamazura who as you can tell by now has been the protagonist of his own stories as we've went forward, she mostly just does supporting roles and is generally kept in the dark
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@Tiau Idk, maybe it's because I started with S1&2 of Railgun before even knowing that Index was a thing. So perhaps my perception is skewed. I generally viewed Index as the crossover between Touma and Mikoto's worlds, but from the perspective of Touma, whereas the Railgun spinoff was the view from Mikoto's side, due to her unexpected popularity in Index. I always thought that she and Touma were the two main protagonists, since they're the most popular and recognizable faces of the To Aru franchise, with Accelerator now running at a close thrid. But I guess not.
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What you're missing is that, very simply, Mikoto is not a main character while Hamazura is.



Really? I always thought Mikoto was in the top 5 of main characters (along with Touma, Accelerator, Index, and Last Order). On the periphery of the core cast, you might have folks like Kanzaki, Stiyl, Itsuwa, Kuroko, Uiharu, etc. Then from there, you have characters which might not be regulars, but do have clear relevance to the storyline. These would be characters like Acqua, the English princess wielding Curtana, Sasha, Poggle, Fiamma, etc.


The only main characters are Touma, Accelerator and Hamazura.
Index, Misaka, Last Order, etc are supporting characters.

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No please, don't let Nishikiori touch NT. Index is ruin because of your shitty direct for overbudget fan-service priority.
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Mar 26, 2019 4:52 AM
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Ooof, the Light Novel readers can only talk trash while not having clear answer to solve the issue they have lmao

I wouldnt even be surprised if the interpretation of one's individual is considered trash by other Light Novel readers.

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@Heimur because I think that decision is terrible, and speaking of the story of the novel itself and not of this adaptation, that these characters are the protagonists being only one remarkable that is accel
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@Heimur because I think that decision is terrible, and speaking of the story of the novel itself and not of this adaptation, that these characters are the protagonists being only one remarkable that is accel


I would say that is questionable, while a divisive opinion, Touma is considered memorable by many. Hamazura is arguable, but Touma is not.

The difference in roles as MC is the main difference between Touma and Accel at this point. It’s in my opinion the same as the Captain America vs Iron Man debate.

Of course this is solely focused on the novel.

Additionally, the decision to have these 3 as MC is objectively the right choice, they have skill sets different enough to not eat into the others roles. Mikoto for example runs into the issue of being useless due to presence of Accel, lacking a viewpoint on gods, and being too strong and detached from the common man’s issue. Essentially not strong enough or weak enough to carry her own unique perspective or bring anything to the table. That’s why she gets her own spin-off in the first place.
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ap1001 said:
RayReynolds said:
@Heimur because I think that decision is terrible, and speaking of the story of the novel itself and not of this adaptation, that these characters are the protagonists being only one remarkable that is accel

Additionally, the decision to have these 3 as MC is objectively the right choice, they have skill sets different enough to not eat into the others roles. Mikoto for example runs into the issue of being useless due to presence of Accel, lacking a viewpoint on gods, and being too strong and detached from the common man’s issue. Essentially not strong enough or weak enough to carry her own unique perspective or bring anything to the table. That’s why she gets her own spin-off in the first place.

Well even then, Kuroko was the intended spinoff protag, Misaka was just chosen because Miki and others wanted to bank off her popularity.
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Tiau said:
ap1001 said:

Additionally, the decision to have these 3 as MC is objectively the right choice, they have skill sets different enough to not eat into the others roles. Mikoto for example runs into the issue of being useless due to presence of Accel, lacking a viewpoint on gods, and being too strong and detached from the common man’s issue. Essentially not strong enough or weak enough to carry her own unique perspective or bring anything to the table. That’s why she gets her own spin-off in the first place.

Well even then, Kuroko was the intended spinoff protag, Misaka was just chosen because Miki and others wanted to bank off her popularity.
And that's a good thing. I dislike the way Kuroko is in half her scenes, if not more.
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Well even then, Kuroko was the intended spinoff protag, Misaka was just chosen because Miki and others wanted to bank off her popularity.
And that's a good thing. I dislike the way Kuroko is in half her scenes, if not more.

Kuroko is quite fine outside of the Railgun anime for obvious reasons, personally I liked it when she had the protagonist seat in the remnant arc.
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And that's a good thing. I dislike the way Kuroko is in half her scenes, if not more.

Kuroko is quite fine outside of the Railgun anime for obvious reasons, personally I liked it when she had the protagonist seat in the remnant arc.
She's great when she's not lusting after Mikoto for the nth time in a terrible case of beating a dead horse.
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The scene with Touma's arm being cut off by Fiamma caught me off guard. It seems that he is looking terrified after Touma recovered his arm. So, Fiamma has a messiah complex.

I really liked Hamazura's monologue to Mugino. I think that she can't control her anger issues. She is being used by Aleister to kill Hamazura.

Can't wait for the next episode.
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So I guess Misaka will arrive in time for the ending credits of the last episode or possibly next season or the one after that.
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Am I the only one who genuinely does not understand why Hamazura is even still relevant?


maybe u don't know the source material like me, but i don't care why, time will tell why, not gonna bitch about it cause it doen't bother me
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Amazing episode, the moment his arm was cut off man that sure was something! Really lovely development and I do wonder what will happen next!
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