Sword Art Online: Alicization Episode 13 Discussion

Jan 17, 2019 4:38 PM

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Mormegil said:
If only Reki Kawahara could learn how to do world-building and lore in a natural way.

If only you read the novels instead of watching a anime and judging writing of a condensed version instead of the Light Novels where the writing and details are there with no cuts at all huh.

MaahHeim said:
SAO is so bad. I keep asking myself WHY do I still watch this. It's been what? 7 years already? Why do I keep watching this franchise, ffs.

Because you want. If you dislike it and still watch instead of dropping, that's your own fault.

Jan 19, 2019 7:46 AM

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This is way it is bothersome to watch weekly, people saying this was boring would never have any problems if they marathoned the damm thing.

Jan 21, 2019 6:41 AM

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supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:
yeah i agree it was way weaker than the other episodes. Sometimes shows don't understand that showing us is way more interesting than telling us.

I have a bad feeling after this episode for the rest of the season, hope it's not that predictable and actually throws a few surprises and punches along the way.

But...They did show us.....

We got the rest of the backstory/flashback and then the rest of her episode was explaining her goals, followed by her explaining how certain things would work, what else was there to even show lol?

nope that was telling us.
An info dump with a few clips of what happened while she is telling the story is a clear way of telling the whole mythology of the show in a whole episode (or here two).

That's something that some movies and tv shows do which really doesn't help the viewer get invested in the story at all. You need to take time with telling us about the whole story behind a world.

Here it seems the writer only wanted to get rid of this episode fast so they try to do as much as they can do in a very small amount of time which really doesn't help spiking the viewer's interest.

If it had taken more episodes with us learning more and more as we watched the show, it would have been a more effective tool of storytelling than what they did here.

I was into the previous episode because the story behind it was quite interesting but this episode really threw me out of it and shows that just reciting a story (yes with images here) really doesn't help anyone.
I'm pretty sure even kirito couldn't bare one more second of listening to her.

The last thing is how they tell you what the final goal is in such a way that it fells quite boring, and that's why i hope there is more to it than just achieving this goal.

There was nothing left to show though, what are you even talking about lol

Once the flashback explaining how Cardinal got in that library was over, she LITERALLY spent the rest of the episode:

1. Explaining her theories behind the world and the "Gods" from the real world

2. Explaining how she believes that the evil creatures of the world are gonna attack them all and destroy everything

3. Explaining how Administrator foolishly believes that her Knights will be enough to repel these monsters (And we DID see her resurrect and command the very first knight to attack the dragon from hat cave with the goblins)

4. Her asking Kirito for that hug

5. Her explaining how the system call thing works in regards to high level weapons (And if you wanted to see this, it makes no sense for us to even see it happen here since I'm 1000% certain that once the fights vs these Knights start, we are certainly going to see what she meant here)

I repeat, what more do you possibly want? Because none of these things even remotely warrants any added visuals since it LITERALLY JUST EXPOSITION - Which idek if you actually know the meaning of since you're complaining about not seeing anything

Im not complaining about added visuals, i'm complaining about watching a boring ass episode where the show (or light novel) could have clearly told this little by little through multiple episodes instead of just doing a huge info dump which is what made this whole episode so boring.

And telling the whole history of the world which we are supposed to be interested in shouldn't be that boring but here it is.

I am not asking for more visuals, i am saying we didn't need this episode at all where the show could have been a tad smarter than just doing a info dump by instead telling all this info through multiple episodes to make it more exciting for the audience.

Literally the whole comment section is saying this episode was a boring info dump so yes i am saying this show (or the light novel, if it was the same there as well) should have gone differently with telling the story.

Period..

Why do you think series have moments like this that are filled with exposition lol? Apart from the obvious answer (Which is world building/characterization), it's so that they can get it all out of the way to appease people like you that just want to see constant action and eye candy

But just because you lack the attention span or interest in exposition to find it so boring, that doesn't mean that it's objectively boring (So I dunno where you thought you were going with that comment about "The whole comment section" which in itself is an exaggeration to begin with)

Period....

LOL i'm one of those that hates too much action and i just hate eye candy because it's usefulness is none.
I'l talking about knowing how to write and tell a story, and that is a very bad way to tell a story to just info dup.

The viewer is not here to try to get the author, it's the author that is there to make the viewer interested.

If you truly think only action and eye candy can make someone interested in a story than you definitely have seen the worst in anime.

I see the best in anime, and the anime i watch don't have eye candy, constant action or info dump.

there are other ways to tell a story than these 3 aspects, the thing is, the writers weren't smat enough to think about it, that is all.

supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:

Tokoya said:

supernicolasman said:
yeah i agree it was way weaker than the other episodes. Sometimes shows don't understand that showing us is way more interesting than telling us.

I have a bad feeling after this episode for the rest of the season, hope it's not that predictable and actually throws a few surprises and punches along the way.

But...They did show us.....

We got the rest of the backstory/flashback and then the rest of her episode was explaining her goals, followed by her explaining how certain things would work, what else was there to even show lol?

nope that was telling us.
An info dump with a few clips of what happened while she is telling the story is a clear way of telling the whole mythology of the show in a whole episode (or here two).

That's something that some movies and tv shows do which really doesn't help the viewer get invested in the story at all. You need to take time with telling us about the whole story behind a world.

Here it seems the writer only wanted to get rid of this episode fast so they try to do as much as they can do in a very small amount of time which really doesn't help spiking the viewer's interest.

If it had taken more episodes with us learning more and more as we watched the show, it would have been a more effective tool of storytelling than what they did here.

I was into the previous episode because the story behind it was quite interesting but this episode really threw me out of it and shows that just reciting a story (yes with images here) really doesn't help anyone.
I'm pretty sure even kirito couldn't bare one more second of listening to her.

The last thing is how they tell you what the final goal is in such a way that it fells quite boring, and that's why i hope there is more to it than just achieving this goal.

There was nothing left to show though, what are you even talking about lol

Once the flashback explaining how Cardinal got in that library was over, she LITERALLY spent the rest of the episode:

1. Explaining her theories behind the world and the "Gods" from the real world

2. Explaining how she believes that the evil creatures of the world are gonna attack them all and destroy everything

3. Explaining how Administrator foolishly believes that her Knights will be enough to repel these monsters (And we DID see her resurrect and command the very first knight to attack the dragon from hat cave with the goblins)

4. Her asking Kirito for that hug

5. Her explaining how the system call thing works in regards to high level weapons (And if you wanted to see this, it makes no sense for us to even see it happen here since I'm 1000% certain that once the fights vs these Knights start, we are certainly going to see what she meant here)

I repeat, what more do you possibly want? Because none of these things even remotely warrants any added visuals since it LITERALLY JUST EXPOSITION - Which idek if you actually know the meaning of since you're complaining about not seeing anything

Im not complaining about added visuals, i'm complaining about watching a boring ass episode where the show (or light novel) could have clearly told this little by little through multiple episodes instead of just doing a huge info dump which is what made this whole episode so boring.

And telling the whole history of the world which we are supposed to be interested in shouldn't be that boring but here it is.

I am not asking for more visuals, i am saying we didn't need this episode at all where the show could have been a tad smarter than just doing a info dump by instead telling all this info through multiple episodes to make it more exciting for the audience.

Literally the whole comment section is saying this episode was a boring info dump so yes i am saying this show (or the light novel, if it was the same there as well) should have gone differently with telling the story.

Period..

Why do you think series have moments like this that are filled with exposition lol? Apart from the obvious answer (Which is world building/characterization), it's so that they can get it all out of the way to appease people like you that just want to see constant action and eye candy

But just because you lack the attention span or interest in exposition to find it so boring, that doesn't mean that it's objectively boring (So I dunno where you thought you were going with that comment about "The whole comment section" which in itself is an exaggeration to begin with)

Period....

LOL i'm one of those that hates too much action and i just hate eye candy because it's usefulness is none.
I'l talking about knowing how to write and tell a story, and that is a very bad way to tell a story to just info dup.

The viewer is not here to try to get the author, it's the author that is there to make the viewer interested.

If you truly think only action and eye candy can make someone interested in a story than you definitely have seen the worst in anime.

I see the best in anime, and the anime i watch don't have eye candy, constant action or info dump.

there are other ways to tell a story than these 3 aspects, the thing is, the writers weren't smat enough to think about it, that is all.

so which parts should they have showed and not told , considering you cant exactly show people who read a LN you can only tell

Jan 21, 2019 6:44 AM

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Mormegil said:
If only Reki Kawahara could learn how to do world-building and lore in a natural way.

what is the natural way exactly

Jan 21, 2019 6:52 AM

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h1soka said:
Alright you guys need to stop defending this. Throwing exposition or explanations like mad for more than half of the series is plain bad writing.

Plus, this is an optical acoustical medium and it does not deliever the way it's supposed to be. If I wanted to read words (or subtitles) explaining everything that's happening I would have read the novel that does exactly that.

thats down to A-1 , its not like a Light Novel can show its reader

Jan 21, 2019 1:27 PM

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The hug Between Cardinal and Kirito was sweet. A lot of info though I am looking forward to the rest of this season.

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Jan 31, 2019 4:24 AM

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Quinella is so evil...I hope they kill her

Jan 31, 2019 9:42 PM

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Cardinal best waifu.
I want to hug her too. So damn cute.

Feb 3, 2019 5:04 AM

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I actually find the premise of the Character Cardinal pretty interesting but holy shit as we know from the series this Character got shit on by going the complete chliche way and is kinda just a "tool" to explain the story that is getting more and more weird and dumb every episode...

And that one sentence "you have to accept defeat" no of course not because he is Kirito :)

My prediction:
Kirito will find a way to save this world and will defeat the administrator without getting completly defeated once,maybe he struggels while fighting but in the end he will win every fight or at least doesnt loose

Feb 25, 2019 3:18 AM

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100 floors PTSD heheh

Apr 27, 2019 2:10 PM

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So we get throw more information about the world and what's happening, Cardinal doesn't want Adminsitrador to rule anymore and find Rath managements of the world bad, I mean they haven't done a thing with all that has happened, like wanting the ruin of the world. According to Cardinal only way to fix it is to send the world to nothingness. But that means deleting all the beings on this world so Kirito find that she is to be trusted (without any real evidence, except that she saved their life) so he decides to co-operate but trying to find a solution that doesn't need to delete all fluctlights, but a happy ending. Anyways I need to read the light novel too, but the episode was good for me.

May 5, 2019 5:20 PM

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Lmao Quinella's hard drive section was full x)
Cardinal's words about how the world just has to return to nothingness since a "normalized" world is no longer possible reminded me of Thanos.
Kirito has his work cut out to pick out 10 people to save.
Aww Cardinal waited 200 years to finally feel a warm hug from a human :)
Lmao ofcourse it had to be 100 floors.

Jun 23, 2019 4:16 PM

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-Where was the Cardinal system before Quinella copied part of it into her soul? Is there only one Cardinal entity?

-The Cardinal is an old and lonely woman. Pretty much saw something like that coming when she said there was something that she had been desperate to experience just once for the last 200 years. Had expected a kiss though, but a hug makes it wholesome and not too awkward.

-The Cardinal: Won't be anything to disrupt the order of the world if there aren't anyone.

-God created us to suffer and abandoned us.

-Climbing floors = Throwback to the "good ol' days" eh Kirito?

-Back to back exposition dumps. Interesting info though, but would rub many the wrong way.

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Aug 19, 2019 1:05 PM

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Uh, quite the malicious plan she had, Kirito accepted to take everything on his hand at the end. A lot of buildup.

Oct 7, 2019 7:15 PM

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More info dumping in thie episode. And all Cardinal wanted was a huge xD

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Oct 27, 2019 12:01 PM

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More info dump and Cardinal is just so precious hnnngggg. Liked her short fight with Quinella.

Feb 26, 2020 2:18 PM

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after getting buffs from umu Cardinal the boys are ready to battle

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May 30, 2020 4:57 PM

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Cardinal plans to wipe the entire world, thats a brutal strategy
They found a way to spare alice, alright
The hug scene was heartwarming

Jun 30, 2020 4:24 PM

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Poor cardinal-san; she must have been so lonely all of those years.

Sep 29, 2020 5:26 PM

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So much info dump for kirito yet eugeo didn't even hear any of it lol

Nov 10, 2020 5:53 AM

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Now the real stuff is beginning!

Nov 28, 2020 3:40 PM

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Another important info-dump episode that told us some of the Cardinal's backstory. Eugeo and Kirito have her support on their goal to not only save Alice, but to ultimately defeat the Administrator and save the world too.

also lol @ the cathedral being 100 floors. aincrad deja vu for Kirito

Dec 14, 2020 7:51 AM

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Another info dump episode, not the most exciting one. So they can't turn the integrity knights back until they stole something from under Administrator's nose, this will be quite hard.

May 14, 2021 10:52 AM

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bro they talked for like 2.5 episodes about things they could've showed instead of tell in 10 minutes, what is going on oh my gawwwwn I'm dying laughing here this is even worse that the previous seasons

Aug 4, 2021 4:37 PM

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Not gonna lie. The look on Kirito's face when the librarian tells him he needs to reach the 100th floor of the cathedral is priceless.

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Nov 12, 2022 8:05 AM

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That was a lot of information. I don't know what to think of this, but let's see how it goes.

Come on man,where is that Noragami season 3 masterpiece.We want it, Bones!

Jan 15, 2023 4:12 PM

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Nice catfight scene. Quinella is so hot!
9:01 I can relate to that so much. As a "God" in CK3, seeing an empire rule peacefully for centuries is boring to observe. I want to see civil war and endless chaos of people trying to outdo each other and rule their realm. It's too bad the AI in CK3 is so dumb that I have to intervene now and then just to make things interesting. In their case, the Rath admins are letting this happen to produce the best kind of AI for the JSDF.
I'm sure Rath has a failsafe to prevent even the most powerful AI in that world to destroy everything.
Damn, they have to memorize all of that to maximize the use of their weapons. As someone bad at memorizing things, that's a big RIP.

Dec 16, 2023 8:34 AM

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Gahhdamn, the virus is like a god in that simulation

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