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bkim999 said: Depending on débate, Lily could actually be a transgender, not a trap. Shame the episode didn't clarify or give enough information whether if she should be transgender or a trap.... This term only means your appearance, not a person. In any case, I hear about the already third idol trap in the anime, and this is not to mention how these characters were processed by idol manga. |
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bkim999 said: Depending on débate, Lily could actually be a transgender, not a trap. Shame the episode didn't clarify or give enough information whether if she should be transgender or a trap.... "Masao was my old name" "I am still Lily, and that's who I'm always going to be" These are both phrases that Lily said. These are coming from her. Stop doubting something the show is blatant at. Lily is a trans girl. |
jal90 said: bkim999 said: Depending on débate, Lily could actually be a transgender, not a trap. Shame the episode didn't clarify or give enough information whether if she should be transgender or a trap.... "Masao was my old name" "I am still Lily, and that's who I'm always going to be" These are both phrases that Lily said. These are coming from her. Stop doubting something the show is blatant at. Lily is a trans girl. In any case, from the point of view of Japanese culture, Lily is a girl because she accepts a female gender role. In particular, this is why SM refers to Haruka’s “male nature”, although she canonically has a female identity. |
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bkim999 said: RobertBobert said: This term only means your appearance, not a person. In any case, I hear about the already third idol trap in the anime, and this is not to mention how these characters were processed by idol manga. jal90 said: "Masao was my old name" "I am still Lily, and that's who I'm always going to be" These are both phrases that Lily said. These are coming from her. Stop doubting something the show is blatant at. Lily is a trans girl. This is the kind of debate I'm talking about. I personally only wished the episode were better at clarifying this information.... But what kind of a better clarification you want? Lily embraces a female identity and rejects her assigned male identity. This is not up for debate, this is exactly what happens in the episode. |
| @jal90 jal90 I do not care about this. If Lily is a biological boy who identifies himself as a girl, then for me she will be a biological boy who identifies herself as a girl. If this is not a silly fan fantasy like "Moca is very boy-ish tomboy, so she is trans boy", then I really do not care about that. |
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FireCrauter said: In Japan there was no law that the Idols, should be only girls ?. Idol can be of any gender and otokonoko idols are formally considered girls. But it also determines your audience. |
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RobertBobert said: @jal90 jal90 I do not care about this. If Lily is a biological boy who identifies himself as a girl, then for me she will be a biological boy who identifies herself as a girl. If this is not a silly fan fantasy like "Moca is very boy-ish tomboy, so she is trans boy", then I really do not care about that. Not going to get into your definition of things and what I think of your views of trans people here. I mean, the debate is about what the show actually did and what it intended with that. Not either of our personal stances on trans identity. |
jal90 said: RobertBobert said: @jal90 jal90 I do not care about this. If Lily is a biological boy who identifies himself as a girl, then for me she will be a biological boy who identifies herself as a girl. If this is not a silly fan fantasy like "Moca is very boy-ish tomboy, so she is trans boy", then I really do not care about that. Not going to get into your definition of things and what I think of your views of trans people here. I mean, the debate is not about how you or I call things, but about what the show actually did and what it intended with that. So I already answered you - if this is an open canon, then she is obviously a trans girl. Their “relationship” with Yukiri even somehow reminds me of my favorite pairing from Bland S, lol. |
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raifuresu said: No, it's a trap.So Lily is a trans girl, that's really nice. And wow, I wasn't expecting this anime to make me cry. This episode sure had a lot of feels. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post |
NoLiferSoulNov 27, 2018 10:06 AM
| This episode almost made me tear up lol. It's amazing the emotions that can be brought out when you have reason to care about the characters in the situation. This is where a lot of other shows fail. |
shimada_m said: For the sake of GOd please someone explain to me which part in the episode does state Lily Hoshikawa is a trap Ikr ? no one said so , it was just she had a stupid and embarrassing name , and obviously she was named like that from her titan father |
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jericjan said: I probably wouldn't have known that Lily was a trap if I just didn't read this discussion. Same lol , I believe she's a girl , just a random name |
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jericjan said: I probably wouldn't have known that Lily was a trap if I just didn't read this discussion. Same lol , I believe she's a girl , just a random name |
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jericjan said: I probably wouldn't have known that Lily was a trap if I just didn't read this discussion. Same lol , I believe she's a girl , just a random name |
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jericjan said: I probably wouldn't have known that Lily was a trap if I just didn't read this discussion. Same lol , I believe she's a girl , just a random name |
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| Hmmm... His body start to transform into real man with facial hairs and leg hairs. Also his papa told that he's growning and he said he don't want grown to looks like his dad. Moreover he have truly guy name. So Lily-kun is a TRAP. tho it was still not completly direct presented so you can assume that Masao is still cute loli girl. |
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bkim999 said: RobertBobert said: This term only means your appearance, not a person. In any case, I hear about the already third idol trap in the anime, and this is not to mention how these characters were processed by idol manga. jal90 said: "Masao was my old name" "I am still Lily, and that's who I'm always going to be" These are both phrases that Lily said. These are coming from her. Stop doubting something the show is blatant at. Lily is a trans girl. This is the kind of debate I'm talking about. I personally only wished the episode were better at clarifying this information.... Blah blah blah TRAP! Simple as that, Damn Japan u are always so creepy especially with their gender benders.... |
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| I'm still crying... PurpleGirl203 said: I was feeling puzzled the moment I saw Lili dying because of some hair ._. I mean, really?? Didn't make any sense! It looked like they are just running out of ideas about death cases. Lili deserve a better one! The feels ;-; That man have a depressing life, loosing both wife and a young child. He didn't deserve those loses :( Next will be Saki! Can't wait to learn the cause of her death :) She dies for a heart attack because of a stressful life. |
kofmasterNov 22, 2018 5:25 PM
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| yup best episode so far. Don't care is Masao/lily is a trap or not. But the way they show his/her development as character is totally amazing in this episode. |
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Lily is Lily, case closed. |
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| Amazing episode. Poor Lily, stress and overworking yourself is the ultimate killer. That feel song at the end. At least both father and child got some closure although that's still sad especially for Papi. I guess trap/trans or whatever it is part existed to make us not feel too much about a child death caused by overworking. |
| When the loli is actually a shota... |
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| Lmao this show loves to mix kinda sad or heart warming moments with complete absurdity. The dad was comically large and Lily is actually a guy, so when he started growing body hair he died from shock. It's just too damn silly. At least now he is eternally young so won't have to worry about that lol. It was pretty nice how they wrote the extra song for the Dad and such anyway. |
| So if I pull that hair in my face i'll die? |
| First I'm hit with that stunning twist then pow, right in the feels  Junko's death by (Libyan terrorists?) plane crash is looking like a pretty normal death now lol |
| Am I a bad person for immediately thinking after Lily's reveal that it's useful for her that zombie body parts detach |
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| Urghh... Sorry, but this episode is very emotional. So, Lily's dad is actually drown too deep in his child's famous that made him forgot about Lily's own happiness. Damn sad, but this is also might happen in real entertainment world, so you guys, if you have children who will step their foot in that world, please dont push them too hard. The emotion in this episode made me don't really care about Lily's fact that she (or he) is a trap or a trans. Yeah, Lily is Lily, who care about what she was before. In the end, she can cheer up her dad, and her dad can forgive himself and back to what he was. Awesome episode. |
| Lol so many probably didn't get Lily was a he just judging from the reaction mashup I saw Honestly I prefer if Lily was not a trap but oh well, I bet SJWs gonna bring up gender identity here again just like with that trap from Mahou Shoujo Site smfh |
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Walker-Vargas said: This episode thread is full of people who can't read. How much does the show need to spell it out? She's trans. "Trap" wasn't funny the first time. It sure as hell wasn't the millionth time. Way to kill the mode people. This big emotional episode, and more than half of you can just mindless repeat the same dead meme. Trap was never a meme nor a joke, it's a term for biological male characters who looks like a girl and gets mistaken for it Lily being a trans girl is another matter, fact is by definition Lily is a trap Smfh these SJWs with their ignorance |
| her dad reminded me of a russian soldier. |
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| Haha okay another good twist to this anime. Lily is a man! lol. Angry Tae is one of the best Tae.  |
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| Death by whiskers oh my word! :O :-D :-D. That was a touching episode especially the song. But damn that was one huge dad Lilly has, but I'm glad they both found closure to their situation. It seems like Junko may have a little crush on Tatsumi, I guess that pep talk they had must've had a great impact on her. Greatest episode ever mixed with humor and emotions, |
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| I felt so conflicted with myself about how to feel during this episode. At one moment I was feeling a bit emotional due to Lily's backstory, then I was laughing out loud like Sakie when I found out Lily was a "he" and even more when I knew about how Masao had died xD Overall, I would say that this was a nice episode. I also appreciate the fact that the performance at the end wasn't made with CGI. It felt kind of refreshing since the use of it looked so awful in this show, intentionally or not. P.S.: What the hell with that next episode's title?? Lmao. |
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