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Franck_Nicolas said: in the end, they didn t explain the whole hospital scene... The most powerful asset in a war of time machines is people who remember other world lines. There was an ongoing research by different parties and Leskinen was also involved in it. |
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| Unexpectedly mediocre experience. - The same old cycle of events, re-used ideas and plot devices. The big difference between the original and this one was the aspect of mystery and lack of information, which made the whole show a lot more interesting and/or exciting. - Pacing is all over the place, going from a crawl to full-on sprint and to something in-between. - Lack of S;G flair. Characters losing their identity. Loss of the S;G mood and tone. - Excess indulgence in bad melodrama. The events can be sad and the characters are mentally broken, but there is no need for drawn out, overly dramatic scenes with little to no impact and value. - Highly sub-par animation at times, especially the action scenes. - Abuse of plot armor and common occurrence of highly improbable events. - Generally absurd ideas. Time to add one more title to the 'Never anticipate the sequel to be adequate' list. |
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| Just watched every single episode in one day lol. Have to say, it was a blast. Huge thrill the entire time...absolutely loved it. Was great visiting with these characters again and seeing them succeed after such painful battles. Eyes watered when Kyouma "returned" a few episodes back. Really an awesome anime. Biggest issue was really just the color-banding but that very likely wasn't teh studio's fault. |
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| Did not expect such an open ending to be honest! They now better make a sequel to this in either a season or a movie! But well the finish is almost there but just so far away! Why do they do this to us? Still one absolutely amazing anime season, one that has been with my from te start and buy even that post-ending was magnificent. Really do look forwards to see what will happen, it's just sad to not be sure when we will see a continuation on this! |
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RafaelDeJongh said: Did not expect such an open ending to be honest! What remained opened? (except the origination of the D-RINE message, but that can be find by logic) |
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| Remember how the second half of the first Steins Gate was much better than the first, well this second season felt like the first half of s1 dragging for 23 eps. I get Okabe is kinda in mourning mode but he was wayyy too subdued for my liking, his Kyouma impressions towards the end felt really cringe. I like Maho but she was a far cry from Kurisu, just didn't make things interesting enough. Also no idea why we went full on first person shooter towards the end there, was not expecting it from this show. Barely 7. |
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RafaelDeJongh said: Did not expect such an open ending to be honest! They now better make a sequel to this in either a season or a movie! But well the finish is almost there but just so far away! Why do they do this to us? Still one absolutely amazing anime season, one that has been with my from te start and buy even that post-ending was magnificent. Really do look forwards to see what will happen, it's just sad to not be sure when we will see a continuation on this! Everything was resolved, there's no open ending. -Okabe tricks Suzaha into thinking he's dead in 2025 by time traveling instead of a natural death -Okabe travels to the year 18,000 where no one exists and no one can interpret him as alive. Therefore he's dead, dead since 2025. (convenient that Mayuri and Suzaha traveled so far into the future by chance...) -He sends Mayuri and Suzaha back to 2036, while he's staying in 18,000 to stay dead to the world. The 2 girls probably avoid the originals and live the rest of their life doing something else -Suzaha (The original 2036 not the one above) travels back in time to get Okabe to save Kurisu in the Steins Gate timeline, where it's impossible for a war over a time machine to break out by her living. |
LemonMALOct 10, 2018 10:30 PM
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| I feel like there should be a episode 24. This didn't feel concluding at all. I'm gonna give it a 7/10 anyway. Would have given it a 9 if more things happened and it ended with them finding steins;gate and had both Mayuri and Kurisu alive |
Izekyu said: I feel like there should be a episode 24. This didn't feel concluding at all. I'm gonna give it a 7/10 anyway. Would have given it a 9 if more things happened and it ended with them finding steins;gate and had both Mayuri and Kurisu alive Why would they show again the episode 24 of the original again? |
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| all these commotion only to slap Okabe. I thought this series would come to an end where he achieved Steins Gate. as far as I remember, this is the continuation where Okabe feel down because he can't save Kurisu right? whatever, fuck it. I'm getting tired to follow up their timeline. but still enjoying it because I loved all about conspiracy shit. 8/10. |
AbyhapeOct 13, 2018 2:26 AM
| So uhh....why was kagari there in 2025 as an adult when she isn't born until 2026? |
xZabuzax said: Oh that's right. duhu1148 said: So uhh....why was kagari there in 2025 as an adult when she isn't born until 2026? Because that's the present Kagari, the one from 2011, another Kagari will be born in 2026 so there's going to be 2 Kagari's in the future, a young one and an older one. It's confusing that they don't age some of them. Faris doesn't look older either. I'll muse on the score for a while before finalizing it but probably a 7/10. Decent overall with some hard hitting moments, but botches most action scenes and the plot is getting messy, among a few other nitpicks. Not anywhere close to the masterpiece of the original series, though I was expecting that. I hope the special turns out well. And the movie if they decide to do that. The biggest thing is I just don't understand some of their decisions with story direction (and this applies to the VN as well) for this sequel. Kagari and Maho were not necessary characters for this to work. Kagari in particular was a huge waste of space. Amadeus wasn't necessary. Mayuri going back in time to tell herself to slap Okabe wasn't even necessary. All this sequel needed was for Okabe to go through a long rough patch until they eventually reached WWIII from Nakabachi/kurisu's paper. Okabe witnesses the terror of WWIII for himself, they build a machine and send the dmail to the past. Would have been so much better and made for a neater plot, but they were intent on making more characters, fan service, and silly action scenes. |
BStrifeSword114Oct 15, 2018 6:59 PM
| Just finished it, it was really great. Also some of you might have some questions, this redditor explained the ending well if u want to check it out. |
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Elanin said: Just finished it, it was really great. Also some of you might have some questions, this redditor explained the ending well if u want to check it out. That's the ending of the VN. The anime had some differences. Here is the explained ending of the anime: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9j67w5/explanation_for_sg_0_ending/ |
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SheevPalpatine said: Elanin said: Just finished it, it was really great. Also some of you might have some questions, this redditor explained the ending well if u want to check it out. That's the ending of the VN. The anime had some differences. Here is the explained ending of the anime: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9j67w5/explanation_for_sg_0_ending/ Aw great, thank you mate! |
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| final episode done and im not satisfied all the episodes in this series was great brought back the old steins gate feel except this one this episode did not feel like a episode of steins gate at all, it threaded far away from it i dont know wat to give considering most of the episodes in this show was good i'll give 8/10 now onto watching something better |
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| Way too many questions left unanswered. It was hinted that Katsumi Nakase may have had Reading Steiner. Guess we forgot about that. 7/10 |
| so... steins gate I know actually starts in episode 21 but it's too late for that, zannen. Honto ni. 4/10 |
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| The final is not close well. It was seems that would be wonderful, but in the end there was a disappointment. Where is Makise Kurisu? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The answers I see here don't conform me. EDIT: However, don't kill me yet; I give it 10 points (ha ha). EDIT 2: You're too f*** bad with the score. |
Slain_slateOct 19, 2018 7:56 AM
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Slain_slate said: The final is not close well. It was seems that would be wonderful, but in the end there was a disappointment. Where is Makise Kurisu? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The answers I see here don't conform me. EDIT: However, don't kill me yet; I give it 10 points (ha ha). EDIT 2: You're too f*** bad with the score. After SG0 is over, you watch the final episode of the original series. This Okabe will never find happiness. Suzuha and Mayuri are saved but Okabe will stay and die at the Event Horizon (13000 BC). |
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yMorgoth said: Mohammadalmannai said: After SG0 is over, you watch the final episode of the original series. This Okabe will never find happiness. Suzuha and Mayuri are saved but Okabe will stay and die at the Event Horizon (13000 BC). Will Okabe die for sure? For SG0, Okabe dies shortly after this episode In the original, he keeps on living. |
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yMorgoth said: Abyhape said: all these commotion only to slap Okabe. I thought this series would come to an end where he achieved Steins Gate. as far as I remember, this is the continuation where Okabe feel down because he can't save Kurisu right? whatever, fuck it. I'm getting tired to follow up their timeline. but still enjoying it because I loved all about conspiracy shit. 8/10. But we already saw that in the original series. Why do they need to show us this again? all right, now I know what this is all about after rewatching episode 23 and 24 from original series. |
| I honestly thought this was definitely weaker than the original, like if these 23 episodes were put in with the original and it was a 47 episode season, it definitely would drag down the quality. Lot of stuff felt redundant or not necessary but to fill in time, the litle blurb with him going to a timeline with an alive Makise and teasing Nakise having reading Steiner and then sidelining her the rest of the show. Then there's him getting randomly thrusted into the future and both of these could have been written better. The professor being an antagonist was made so obvious here to the viewer and is quite lazy when you compare to finding out that Moeka and the bald land lord are with SERN. Then there's Alexis, who is also teased in several brief scenes as someone who probably is against Rintarou but ends up tossed to the way side as the show favors giving more air time to Kagari as Leshkinens puppet instead. It wasn't bad, it was good although not near the level the original was, but for something that was supposed to flesh out the original ending more I still think it just opened up more questions than answers. |
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| Wow! Another great execution by White Fox! It was a great, thrilling ride while it lasted. My questions are answered and have nothing more to say about this anime. I would admit that most episodes fills me up with anxiety, but that's just the nature of this series I guess. 10/10! Superb enjoyment! |
| Following up on the original Steins;Gate was always going to be tough. That series hit all of the right notes for me in terms of story and characters - it felt like everything fit together into one well crafted whole. Steins;Gate 0 makes an admirable attempt at following up. It is an enjoyable series in its own right but does not match up to he quality of the original. My issues with this sequel were that I did still have some questions that I felt were not addressed, or at least not addressed well (but that could just be due to time limitations of the adaptation). The pacing also suffered a bit in some of the middle episodes of the season. It felt like occasionally the series was just as lost and morose as Okabe was and that dragged down my enjoyment. And, while there were definitely some strong story moments and emotional scenes, S;G 0 just never quite hits the same highs as the original. Those complaints aside, it was nice to spend more time with these characters and to see a darker take on the original concept. It is also still a better handled story than a lot of other sci-fi anime I have seen, even considering its weaknesses. Overall, I am still thinking about the exact score I would like to give it; but it would be somewhere in the 7-8 category. |
| Hououin Kyouma . . . The First Timelord. There has been a lot of complaints about the whole "mad scientist gone sad scientist"... but that's just people being selfish and caring more about okabe's antics more than the actual story. Overall, this was absolutely fantastic, and an incredible addition and expansion on the universe. There really was no better way to up the stakes and make everything more real and consequential. Also, the idea that even a single time machine existing would be enough to shatter the world, is not something that's often enough addressed... Especially if there were competitors. Fortunately the future gadgets lab was the leader in time machine development, and nobody else had one . . . But, if anyone else had one... well, lets just say crafting a true time war, is not something that anybody but the best writers in the world could even hope to pull off, and it would be nigh incomprehensible anyways. I've experimented with creating scenarios where time dilation is used as a weapon, and even that stretches outside of what's fathomable, a true time war that involves all thes complicated rewrite and world line nonsense, which makes existence a clusterfuck of infinities that all could cross over and interfere with one another at any point throughout all time, would be utterly inconceivable. I found this series to be rather amazing, not what i expected, but a very worthy successor. Upon starting Steins;Gate 0, i watched all of Steins;Gate up to 23 β, and the continuity was impeccable. I'm sure if i analyzed every time skip leap and jump, i'd find plenty of holes and issues (including using "time paradox" as a plot gimmick, without justifying it), but there is so much that is valid, and frankly taking on concepts like these are obscene projects and really test your skills as a writer, the fact it was done this well is amazing, and flaws are completely excusable. The point of Steins;Gate 0, is that Okabe didn't succeed yet. He made up his mind and gave up half way through, which is fatal to any true scientist He decided that upon saving Mayuri, that his accomplished his goal; this ofc is false. Kurisu is dead, and he's still in the middle of everything. For him to finish the fight, he had to first conquer himself, and this is what took up most of the series - Okabe's struggle with himself and despair. But ever since the beginning, there was only one right answer: you have a time machine, you can see through timelines, you have it first, you are the king of time as far as humans go... The only right answer is to gain the ideal reality he seeks. It will be hard and horrible and despairing, but ultimately, if you have the power, grasp it, and solve all of the problems that plague you. The only choice was to save everyone he wants to save, because he can. In the end, bravo. ps: i would have preferred keeping the first OP & ED, at least until point okarin does the time leap again and stuff starts getting intense and faster paced Now that i finished this, time to go back to og Steins;Gate ep23 |
GenesisAriaNov 7, 2018 10:17 AM
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GenesisAria said: I'm sure if i analyzed every time skip leap and jump, i'd find plenty of holes and issues (including using "time paradox" as a plot gimmick, without justifying it) No, you wouldn't find anyone. There are no paradoxes at all in Steins;Gate 0, it completely respects the rules which were established in the original Steins;Gate (unlike the movie...) |
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| @SheevPalpatine I didn't say paradoxes, i said holes and issues... The fact of using "time paradox" as an excuse to not do something or avoid an easier solution is in of itself, a plot issue, if that is not justified. There was never any evidence anywhere in the story that a "paradox" would cause anything, or that Okabe would be entirely unwilling to find out. Anyways that's just the first thing that popped into my head. Perhaps you don't understand the level of depth i go to when i analyze things... if you don't know, perhaps looking at my thread about Kimi no Na wa (if you've seen it), i actually ripped it apart scene by scene, as i watched through it fully studying every aspect of it's literary design. I sincerely doubt Steins;Gate is flawless, especially considering where the story comes from and the people that made it. |
GenesisAriaNov 7, 2018 4:55 PM
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GenesisAria said: @SheevPalpatine I didn't say paradoxes, i said holes and issues... The fact of using "time paradox" as an excuse to not do something or avoid an easier solution is in of itself, a plot issue, if that is not justified. There was never any evidence anywhere in the story that a "paradox" would cause anything, or that Okabe would be entirely unwilling to find out. Anyways that's just the first thing that popped into my head. Perhaps you don't understand the level of depth i go to when i analyze things... if you don't know, perhaps looking at my thread about Kimi no Na wa (if you've seen it), i actually ripped it apart scene by scene, as i watched through it fully studying every aspect of it's literary design. I sincerely doubt Steins;Gate is flawless, especially considering where the story comes from and the people that made it. That's the point: there are no time paradoxes in Steins;Gate, because the Attractor Field modell won't allow you to make one. In the world of SG causality remains strong. Time travel in SG is flawless, except one highly debated thing, but that was in the original (Suzuha's disappearance at the end) |
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| @SheevPalpatine I remember holes being discussed in og steins... but anyways, i don't have the energy to untangle this one. Also, there's no such thing as "won't allow you to make one"... There's no such thing as flawless time travel. Another example of an issue with the story is how everyone just happens to know eachother, and all the enemies happen to be people close by etc... it's just highly improbable. A plot hole in the time travel i can bring up right now, is why did Okabe's time leap go to the future suddenly? Or how some of them randomly remember stuff over world lines because why not, and they probably needed some kind of reason to motivate decisions? There's plenty of arbitrary cheats and convenient contrivances like that which time travel stories apply. It's way too easy to blame issues on quirks or ambiguity of the mechanics. Another plot hole, is SERN was left and more or less forgotten, once the war topics came up... SERN was already doing time machine stuff long before Future Gadgets Lab, and could still potentially unlock a method, and cause the same chaos. There's also the couple times that Okabe felt the Reading Steiner activate when the source of the time travel effects were unknown... etc etc. |
GenesisAriaNov 7, 2018 6:16 PM
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xZabuzax said: GenesisAria said: A plot hole in the time travel i can bring up right now, is why did Okabe's time leap go to the future suddenly?. You mean episode 20? after Okabe tried to time leap it didn't worked for some reason so Okabe was living normally all those years till 2025, after his "Death" in 2025 (not really dead but was considered a vegetable by then) Daru and crew used the memory of Okabe from 2011 which was stored in Data from the failed attempt in time travel in 2011 to replace the 2025 vegetable Okabe with the 2011 Okabe. For us and Okabe it looked like it time leapt to the future but that was not the case because we only saw it from the perspective of Okabe's memory which was in data form from 2011. From the other's perspective that wasn't the case though and for them time kept running normally for years. Exactly this. It was clearly explained in episode 20. GenesisAria said: Or how some of them randomly remember stuff over world lines because why not, and they probably needed some kind of reason to motivate decisions? Because they are memories. And memories don't disappear, just go deep into their brain when the worldline shifts. In terms of worldline chronology, they are the memories of the "past" (here: past = previous worldlines) GenesisAria said: Another plot hole, is SERN was left and more or less forgotten, once the war topics came up... SERN was already doing time machine stuff long before Future Gadgets Lab And all of that happened in Alpha Attractor Field. But the whole 0 takes place in Beta (except episode 8). In Beta, SERN never achieved anything significant in time travel. GenesisAria said: There's also the couple times that Okabe felt the Reading Steiner activate when the source of the time travel effects were unknown... WWIII is about the "time machine war". Someone (possibly Russia with Nakabachi) experimented on time travel, and they modified the past successfully. |
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| @xZabuzax SheevPalpatine said: Then why is he in 2036? He woke because of the time leap overwriting his mind and waking him up. He didn't leap to 2025 as a recoil of the failure.xZabuzax said: Exactly this. It was clearly explained in episode 20.You mean episode 20? after Okabe tried to time leap it didn't worked for some reason so Okabe was living normally all those years till 2025, after his "Death" in 2025 (not really dead but was considered a vegetable by then) Daru and crew used the memory of Okabe from 2011 which was stored in Data from the failed attempt in time travel in 2011 to replace the 2025 vegetable Okabe with the 2011 Okabe. For us and Okabe it looked like it time leapt to the future but that was not the case because we only saw it from the perspective of Okabe's memory which was in data form from 2011. From the other's perspective that wasn't the case though and for them time kept running normally for years. I watched through the whole episode, and that isn't a valid explanation for how it can go to the future at all, and the facts don't line up, and as usual, a highly convenient turn of events came about due to a "we don't know" excuse. SheevPalpatine said: That's a pretty weak attempt to explain, but at least it was semi-consistent as a universal phenomenon that everyone experiences, and not just a magical select few type thing.GenesisAria said: Because they are memories. And memories don't disappear, just go deep into their brain when the worldline shifts. In terms of worldline chronology, they are the memories of the "past" (here: past = previous worldlines)Or how some of them randomly remember stuff over world lines because why not, and they probably needed some kind of reason to motivate decisions? SheevPalpatine said: The jelly man stuff was long before any of Okabe's time travel stuff had any relevance or impact.GenesisAria said: And all of that happened in Alpha Attractor Field. But the whole 0 takes place in Beta (except episode 8). In Beta, SERN never achieved anything significant in time travel.Another plot hole, is SERN was left and more or less forgotten, once the war topics came up... SERN was already doing time machine stuff long before Future Gadgets Lab SheevPalpatine said: Yes that was stated, but never again addressed or justified. It also means that others were able to develop time travel shit independently of the time machine and data everyone was fighting over that started the war etc. And if they succeeded back in 2011 i think it was, they would have been a leading power in time machine warfare, and had the head start on everyone else. Which of course would explain why they wanted to just scrap all the other time machine data and equipment to eliminate competitors... There's too much shit that could have come out of that, and the russians could have done far more to intercept other outcomes etc. It was a hole because it was almost completely unaddressed. The major flaw with the steins;gate universe is a conventional war being fought when time machine wars would be fought all across time, it'd be like trying to chase time lords - if you've watched much Doctor Who, you'd know what i mean when i say it's ultra convoluted.GenesisAria said: WWIII is about the "time machine war". Someone (possibly Russia with Nakabachi) experimented on time travel, and they modified the past successfully.There's also the couple times that Okabe felt the Reading Steiner activate when the source of the time travel effects were unknown... See, stories like this can get away with a lot of shit due to using very arbitrary and ambiguous mystical models for their happenings, so they can disguise contrivances as "unexplored aspects of the mechanics". It's too easy to blame other things being different etc because of "changing world line", but without any valid causation for said differences along said timeline. If something is different, it'd be because some element changed it. Keep in mind i haven't actually gone and analyzed every scene and mapped everything out (that's a lot of work, it takes an entire day just to do a single movie), so if i do make a genuine error, i'll own it, but i haven't seen much of that yet. |
GenesisAriaNov 8, 2018 7:44 AM
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GenesisAria said: Then why is he in 2036? He woke because of the time leap overwriting his mind and waking him up. He didn't leap to 2025 as a recoil of the failure. I watched through the whole episode, and that isn't a valid explanation for how it can go to the future at all, and the facts don't line up, and as usual, a highly convenient turn of events came about due to a "we don't know" excuse. "It failed" is the excuse they wanted to provide so you have to deal with it or complain about it. Once the time machine failed to send Okabe to the past (for whatever reason) his memory were stored in Data in the computer and THIS is why Okabe doesn't remember anything that happened afterwards. It's because we are experiencing the perspective of Okabe's memory that was stored in Data in the computer in 2011. To make it simple, the time machine didn't work and Okabe's memory was stored in Data in the computer, afterwards Okabe continued living normally for years (apparently he didn't even attempt to time leap for years for whatever reasons...) and in 2025 he "Died" (his brain died but had a working body) and became a vegetable. Daru, Maho and crew implanted the Okabe's memory that was stored in Data in the computer into the body of the brain-dead Okabe, this probably took years and Okabe was still in coma for plenty of years with his 2011 memory but somehow his brain finally connected the neurons or whatever and Okabe finally was able to move in his future body with his 2011 memory so when Okabe woke up the only thing he remembered was the "failed" attempt in the time machine and nothing else. GenesisAria said: The jelly man stuff was long before any of Okabe's time travel stuff had any relevance or impact. In the Alpha attractor field (below 1%) SERN was indeed researching time machines before Okabe, Daru and Kurisu started their thing in 2010, however, SERN was never successful with it and their time machine was incomplete. The reason they were successful is because they captured Kurisu, Daru and Okabe and made them work in perfecting the time machine and after their time machine was perfected they were able to create the dystopia and rule the world, this is the reason why Suzuha came to the past in the first place. |
xZabuzaxNov 8, 2018 8:26 AM
| @xZabuzax So basically Maho is a fool that instead of making a time machine just made another memory downloader... eksdee. But that still doesn't explain why he woke in 2036, which was the original problem i had with it. And anyways, it's just one example of arbitrary contrivances that plaque stories like this that use mystical universe mechanics to justify plot (of which i have little doubt there are many more in both S;G and S;G0). Sheev was trying to tell me there's no flaws, i called bullshit. |
GenesisAriaNov 8, 2018 8:21 AM
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