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Aug 31, 2018 2:31 PM
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There are many ways to do sex scenes and other naughty things, so idk.
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Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant
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Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant
Some hentai anime have stories tho.
Aug 31, 2018 2:37 PM
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Klad said:
Spades said:
Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant
Some hentai anime have stories tho.


Often not much of a story imo, basically just a scenario build up created for the purpose of preparing the viewer for the sex scenes. Other hentai that have a real story, I wouldn't call hentai
Aug 31, 2018 2:39 PM
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Nothing more lewd than characters holding hands.
Aug 31, 2018 2:46 PM
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Hutson-san said:
Spades said:
Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant


If I'm not mistaken, the main distinction between ecchi and hentai is the depiction of genitals, so the amount of 'lewdness' is important. Additionally, there are hentais with fairly well fleshed-out story lines, often better than a lot of anime, so even if sex is not the sole or main focus, it can still be hentai if it is lewd enough. But of course there are some ecchi anime that seem to try to be as lewd as possible without showing genitals and almost feel like hentai.


This thread listed below suggests otherwise regarding the depiction of genitals in non-hentai works although I haven't confirmed this personally so idk if it's true. Sometimes hentai can have a better story I agree.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1473472
Aug 31, 2018 2:47 PM
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This one is still not too much lewd to be considered as hentai.


Aug 31, 2018 3:06 PM
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There's no such thing as too lewd for ecchi if you already watched hentai
Aug 31, 2018 3:21 PM
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Spades said:
Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant

Some anime have hentai and censored versions (including cutting entire scenes), such as Kite.

If there is graphic sexual intercourse (ie hardcore porn) depicted, then it is hentai by definition regardless of what else happens.
Aug 31, 2018 3:36 PM

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SadMadoka said:
Spades said:
Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant

Some anime have hentai and censored versions (including cutting entire scenes), such as Kite.

If there is graphic sexual intercourse (ie hardcore porn) depicted, then it is hentai by definition regardless of what else happens.


Yosuga no Sora doesn't show genitals come to think of it, but it's still softcore sex. Genitals is a pretty thin line if you ask me. Non-anime shows like Game of Thrones have full frontal nudity but aren't porn. I think they need to change the standards of what's considered hentai by definition tbh. Giving it the label of hentai so easily makes some people less keen to watch it.
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Spades said:
Yosuga no Sora doesn't show genitals come to think of it, but it's still softcore sex. Genitals is a pretty thin line if you ask me. Non-anime shows like Game of Thrones have full frontal nudity but aren't porn. I think they need to change the standards of what's considered hentai by definition tbh. Giving it the label of hentai so easily makes some people less keen to watch it.

I haven't seen that anime. MAL lists it as ecchi. Could you describe what the softcore sex scenes in it consist of?
Aug 31, 2018 3:58 PM

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SadMadoka said:
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Yosuga no Sora doesn't show genitals come to think of it, but it's still softcore sex. Genitals is a pretty thin line if you ask me. Non-anime shows like Game of Thrones have full frontal nudity but aren't porn. I think they need to change the standards of what's considered hentai by definition tbh. Giving it the label of hentai so easily makes some people less keen to watch it.

I haven't seen that anime. MAL lists it as ecchi. Could you describe what the softcore sex scenes in it consist of?


direct intercourse in various positions, fellatio, cunnilingus, off-screen penetration, tbh I kinda just skipped through the scenes out of boredom so that's all I remember
Aug 31, 2018 4:01 PM

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Spades said:
direct intercourse in various positions, fellatio, cunnilingus, off-screen penetration, tbh I kinda just skipped through the scenes out of boredom so that's all I remember

What I meant to ask is what was and was not shown onscreen. There's gotta be a catch.
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Depends on how it is portrayed.
I'm always in for the normal-not cringey sex scenes, innuendos amd jokes, if it's part of the story and somewhat artistical / aesthetical portrayed and not necessarily there for the viewer.
Aug 31, 2018 4:08 PM

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Personally Yosuga no Sora is a hentai for me, as with many terrible short smutty anime series that has been coming out in the past few seasons, but based off my own experience, any anime series that doesn't show a clear view of your crotch shot uncensored is not considered a hentai.

Still, there's a difference between ecchi R+ series like Sekirei where the ecchi purely goes off on top frontal nudity and ecchi R+ series like Skirt no Naka wa Kedamono deshita where it shows full on penetration in a sex scene, but with mosaics..
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SadMadoka said:
Spades said:
Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant

Some anime have hentai and censored versions (including cutting entire scenes), such as Kite.

If there is graphic sexual intercourse (ie hardcore porn) depicted, then it is hentai by definition regardless of what else happens.


But this one is still considered as "ecchi". With genitals and everything unlike Yosuga No Sora and it's aired on TV too.


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There is no limit, nor should there be.


What's the difference?
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As much as I try not to shit on Queen's Blade because of what redeeming qualities it has, this thread really lends itself to me doing so.

More fighting. Less yuri.

Aug 31, 2018 4:26 PM

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if i jizzed my pantsu while watching that's probably a bit too much
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SadMadoka said:
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Yosuga no Sora doesn't show genitals come to think of it, but it's still softcore sex. Genitals is a pretty thin line if you ask me. Non-anime shows like Game of Thrones have full frontal nudity but aren't porn. I think they need to change the standards of what's considered hentai by definition tbh. Giving it the label of hentai so easily makes some people less keen to watch it.

I haven't seen that anime. MAL lists it as ecchi. Could you describe what the softcore sex scenes in it consist of?

They don't show genitals but they show degrees of penetration and it's very obviously sexualized.

That said, I pity whatever poor motherfucker watches it as a hentai ._. I really, really feel like it's good at an ecchi tag because the scenes are pretty tame and there's 2 - 3 full episodes of drama and character interaction between each sex scene at that, as opposed to the bits of dialogue usually just giving it some degree of contextualization like you see in hentai.

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But this one is still considered as "ecchi". With genitals and everything and it's aired on TV too.

That's another one with a censored version, so there ya go.
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SadMadoka said:
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But this one is still considered as "ecchi". With genitals and everything and it's aired on TV too.

That's another one with a censored version, so there ya go.


What do you mean by "censored version"? You mean Japan's standard censorship of genitals on their pornography or what?


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Tennouji said:
What do you mean by "censored version"? You mean Japan's standard censorship of genitals on their pornography or what?

This review touches upon the differences between the edited and uncensored versions. (It still has pixelated genitals, as is the norm for most Japanese porn.)
Aug 31, 2018 4:43 PM

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SadMadoka said:
Tennouji said:
What do you mean by "censored version"? You mean Japan's standard censorship of genitals on their pornography or what?

This review touches upon the differences between the edited and uncensored versions.


Oh that. Thanks for clarification. I never knew the censored version was like that.

And after doing research on Yosuga No Sora, there are also censored versions as well, such as not showing masturbation, nipples, etc so you're mostly correct.



Although it's too hard to judge by these pictures alone.

EDIT: Take note that the sexual acts are still implied.
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Tennouji said:
And after doing research on Yosuga No Sora, there are also censored versions as well, such as not showing masturbation, nipples, etc so you're mostly correct.

Lots of ecchi anime have censored versions, including Haganai, Brynhildr In The Darkness, and Sin: Nanatsu No Taizai. Some even redo the scenes, such as having an arm cover up a body part with full animation, whereas the original doesn't. I was surprised Rosario + Vampire was on Netflix uncensored, 'cause it has full nudity. Anyway, all this is separate from whether something is hentai.
Aug 31, 2018 4:55 PM

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A'ight. We might need to make a more exclusive and exhaustive working definition of the hentai genre.
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A'ight. We might need to make a more exclusive and exhaustive working definition of the hentai genre.


we do, but then there's the question of whether or not the database mods would accept it lol
Aug 31, 2018 6:46 PM

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There's no such thing as too lewd when it comes to ecchi.
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Nothing more lewd than characters holding hands.


You filthy degenerate!! think of the children
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Hmm...well I guess it would depend on whether or not it falls within my range of fetishes. Shows that didn't really do much for me are things like Eiken, Queen's Blade, and Quasar no Stigma.
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Hmm...well I guess it would depend on whether or not it falls within my range of fetishes. Show that didn't really do much for me are things like Eiken, Queen's Blade, and Quasar no Stigma.

I liked Queen's Blade, but it was kind of weak.

I haven't seen Seikon no Qwaser yet, but every indication is that it's much lewder.
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As much as I try not to shit on Queen's Blade because of what redeeming qualities it has, this thread really lends itself to me doing so.

More fighting. Less yuri.


I am now planning to watch this because of this post...


What's the difference?
Sep 1, 2018 2:34 AM

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There's no such thing as too lewd when it comes to ecchi.

What I really want more of is facesitting.
Sep 1, 2018 4:24 AM
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i think shokugeki no soma shows how much lewd is too much
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In my opinion, if genitalia is getting blurred and/or we see direct penetration, it's crossed the line into hentai territory.
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In my opinion, if genitalia is getting blurred and/or we see direct penetration, it's crossed the line into hentai territory.

I guess this is hentai, then, because the MC moons a girl, complete with flashing his balls:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai
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I would say explicit sexual acts or stuff that is supposed to look like it even if we don't see any actual genitalia.
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If it shows genitalia its hentai and/or focuses on the sex scene as a major time consumer and not just something that happend in between scenes then its hentai. SAO for example, didnt show genitalia and didnt focus on the «act» for any substantial manner of time, it was more a transitioner and i doubt anybody would deem it to be hentai.
Shinmai maou no testament however is in the grey area, i dont consider it hentai, because of the lack of genitalia and they teqhnicaly dont have sex, at least its never stated.
And i dont consider a series hentai if it has hentai elements, for example: having sec is considered a huge deal in shoujo manga and thus when the couple finally do have it, its spent at least 2-4 pages showing «it» although no genitalia. If you consider this hentai or not is up to you but is frankly irelevant ti my point, my point beeing: even though they show it and doesnt just treat it like just a tranditioner it still doesnt make tha manga a hentai (saying manga because i havent seen any anime adapt any manga this far).

In short: genitalia=hentai, descrpitive sex scene=equals hentai. Hentai scene≠hentai show.
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If penetration is shown in detail it becomes a hentai.
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Hentai is just sex with no story. If there are actual sex scenes as just a part of the story and sex isn't the main focus of the anime, then it's not hentai. The amount of lewdness is irrelevant


Does this nigga have any examples of hentai with actual plot and not just scenario plot?
Sep 1, 2018 2:28 PM

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if it shows a penis (censored or not) then it probably isn't ecchi anymore
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I'm guessing most people here still don't watched the seasonal shorts that have been airing every season for the past year or two that are basically hentai but MAL doesn't categorize them as so.

This season's would be Joshiochi! which is about a girl falling through the floor above landing with vagina into the guy's penis. No joke, I can't make something this ridiculous up.
Sep 1, 2018 6:41 PM

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if it airs on tv, its not hentai 😉 thats how joshiochi got through
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I hope people aren't serious about just genitalia being shown should be classified as hentai (cultural definition). If so, then Gintama is a hentai because Kondo and ShigeShige are naked in quite a bit of scene. This season's Grand Blue also shows. Dragon Ball shows that and there was no censorship of it at all.

In terms of hentai, I would define it as showing penetration on screen, but seeing as how Joshiochi is one of the examples that broke the convention (tagged as ecchi) currently, I don't know what to think anymore.


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doesn't hentai just mean perversion?
iirc i heard ash say it in banana fish and it was translated as "sick"
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doesn't hentai just mean perversion?
iirc i heard ash say it in banana fish and it was translated as "sick"


hentai means something different in Japan, only non-Japanese associate it with anime porn

from my understanding, hentai means pervert and ecchi means naughty or dirty. Can't get the actual meaning of the words though because English and Japanese languages are quite different and the meaning of those words change in Japanese culture over time as well.
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Nothing is too lewd for me, hentai or not.
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I've seen Food Wars! It does contain lewd scenes, I think the entire series LOL. I would have to say hentai border line, e.g showing genitals.


this proves youve seen too less ecchi...
it shouldnt be tagged as ecchi at all if you compare it with many others in which girls show off their panties and bras every episodes
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well apparently Joshiochi!: 2-kai kara Onnanoko ga... Futtekita!? airing this season isn't tagged as a hentai here.. it's just an ecchi!

but apparently it's too lewd to be on any of the major streaming sites

it's basically hentai though.
watched 1 episode and girl just falls through the ceiling onto the dudes dick
apparently his dick just perfectly penetrates in that moment and they start to have sex.
i guess it was kinda funny lol...?

sup with that "anime"
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You know what, if it's the reason to watch it then it can go as far as it wants in my book.
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