| Due to the long down time the site experienced recently and is still recovering from it, people moved to sites such as AniList, Kitsu and AniDB and have started to notice how dated MAL is as a whole. From the looks of it, MAL has no intention of changing, they'll go on as nothing happened, they'll forget about the Password resets prior to the down time which caused some people to permanently lose access to their accounts. They'll forget lying straight to their users' faces about what's actually going on. (The fact that they clearly experienced some security breach was still apparent) If they wanted us to believe they're just ''checking out something in a more detailed manner'' then maybe they shouldn't have taken a month and then afterwards for the whole site to barely function for about another few months. People have started to notice that MAL's interface is dated, you have to refresh the page to even get a notification, something that happens in real time on AniList. You have a single limited rating system despite people constantly asking for more so they can personalize their lists more, meanwhile AniList pulls of 5 different rating systems with relative ease. MAL staff's excuses that it'd be messy are redundant. For proper statistics on anything you have to use Third Party sites such as MALgraph and in cases like the current one - where MAL's API doesn't work, you won't be able to even check your stats out. Meanwhile that's built-in your AniList profile. AniList and Kitsu both have global feeds, which makes up for a much more organic community. While writing reviews in AniList, BBCode is enabled to help you stylize your interview and properly highlight what you need to, without it looking like a massive wall of text. There's also a dislike button to your reviews. People can know your review isn't well regarded without having to resort to reporting it only so they can get the same copy paste answer back from the MAL staff. AniList has an years slider, you can browse anime in a specific year range, something MAL doesn't have. And now on to the database. On MAL's discord server, one of the MAL staff went full petty mode claiming that AniList stole MAL's database. Meanwhile MAL stole AniDB's database initially, including synopsis of certain entries. They also pitched info from AnimeNewsNetwork for the longest time. Basically MAL staff is petty. AniList's database mods can be contacted via any means including Discord, it makes it a lot easier to update the database (which grows at a faster rate than MALs) MAL database mods will NOT respond to anything database related on Discord or PMs. They only ever respond to their flawed submission system that they check out once in a decade. I had a few entries that I made in the start to middle of 2017 be addressed and another entry I made 2 years ago is still not pending. I've made a few requests and submissions on AniList and they've taken a relatively short time to respond. Bottom line is, outside of a few functions, MAL loses out on the majority of the aspects and it still doesn't do anything about it. People will realize it's slowly relying on it's popularity so it doesn't do anything and that the staff just simply doesn't care. |
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| I can already sense the firing squad. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| No one is holding your ass here, you're free to go. |
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| In short, if you want to quit MAL, just do it. AL will happily love you there I guess. |
| The forum being dead was an improvement. Now it has regressed. Seriously, this place is cancer. It's a safe-harbor for shitposters and trolls. |
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| Let the dude share his opinion dam... Why do you all get so salty over 1 opinion? I feel bad for this dude now It even states that he registered on MAL -> Feb 2015 I think he has more then enough rights to share his point of view without getting toxic weebs smashing their keyboards defending the pride of an anime website lmfao ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now on to what i feel about your topic, you have alot of good points and ideas that needs to be added for a much better future for mal! [ IN MY OPINON ] Please don't rage at me weebs. First of, the AniList has an years slider This is a great idea! Somthing that i now feel very stupid about not suggesting before you :o I really hope MAL takes some time off to implement this! Second of you made me feel stupid for not suggestion this once a gain! a dislike button to your reviews. This would help alot of people inclouding myself in choosing to watch or ignore an anime that i am uncertain about, if i am rating the Anime of the reviews witch i do rarely but i guess some people do it! All this is a great topic with alot of great points! and i apolagize for these people's rude behaviour. This will probably not stop the cringe kids from saying you're view on things is trash and that you can just go! and that you just don't understand... like i'm just gonna sit here laughing at them to be honest! hope mods see this post and does not get blinded by the keyboard smashers. Cheers,- Uny |
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| First I have to say that I'm agree with you in the most parts but we don't need somethings you already mentioned SigmaticDoc said: People have started to notice that MAL's interface is dated, you have to refresh the page to even get a notification, something that happens in real time on AniList. For proper statistics on anything you have to use Third Party sites such as MALgraph and in cases like the current one - where MAL's API doesn't work, you won't be able to even check your stats out. Meanwhile that's built-in your AniList profile. AniList and Kitsu both have global feeds, which makes up for a much more organic community. While writing reviews in AniList, BBCode is enabled to help you stylize your interview and properly highlight what you need to, without it looking like a massive wall of text. And now on to the database. On MAL's discord server, one of the MAL staff went full petty mode claiming that AniList stole MAL's database. Meanwhile MAL stole AniDB's database initially, including synopsis of certain entries. They also pitched info from AnimeNewsNetwork for the longest time. Basically MAL staff is petty. AniList's database mods can be contacted via any means including Discord, it makes it a lot easier to update the database (which grows at a faster rate than MALs) MAL database mods will NOT respond to anything database related on Discord or PMs. They only ever respond to their flawed submission system that they check out once in a decade. Bottom line is, outside of a few functions, MAL loses out on the majority of the aspects and it still doesn't do anything about it. People will realize it's slowly relying on it's popularity so it doesn't do anything and that the staff just simply doesn't care. I completely agree with you in these parts especially BBCode being enabled in reviews But From the looks of it, MAL has no intention of changing, they'll go on as nothing happened, they'll forget about the Password resets prior to the down time which caused some people to permanently lose access to their accounts. This wasn't my problem but I think there is a topic about this... You have a single limited rating system despite people constantly asking for more so they can personalize their lists more, meanwhile AniList pulls of 5 different rating systems with relative ease. MAL staff's excuses that it'd be messy are redundant. I think if you use 3 point smiley or 5 star you can adjust your scores in 10 point system for the other two I don't think it's necessarily needed to being added you can use the tags in your animelist and write your real score there but yeah why not we have 5 different rating systems There's also a dislike button to your reviews. People can know your review isn't well regarded without having to resort to reporting it only so they can get the same copy paste answer back from the MAL staff. For some reasons and I don't know the exact reason this feature was removed around 2012 and I think it was because people just saw the score and if the score didn't fit with their taste they just downvoted that review AniList has an years slider, you can browse anime in a specific year range, something MAL doesn't have. MAL has this feature just go to the Anime Search (or Manga Search) and in Advanced Search find Start Date and End Date and put the year whatever you want I think there's no difference with the years slider |
_Ako_ said: no, he doesn't want to quit, he wants MAL to be better. Can't you tell? He still likes this site, otherwise he wouldn't have written this post.In short, if you want to quit MAL, just do it. AL will happily love you there I guess. But this is the exact thing he's complaining about, people being stuck up idiots and refusing to even consider changing the site for the better. Instead it's all "oh look, MAL is MAL and if you don't like it you can fuck off". MAL got away with this for the last couple years because there was no proper competition, but that's slowly changing. OP is 100% correct, if this continues it'll eventually be MAL's downfall. Swagernator said: same to you. You're talking to someone who cares about the site and wants to make it better. Why alienate him? What on earth would you gain by doing that? I don't understand.No one is holding your ass here, you're free to go. OP makes a thoughtful post that he put a lot of effort into, and people give him this shit. Maybe IT IS too late. |
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| Look, I don't really want to defend MAL here and make it seem like a superior site or anything (because it propably isn't anymore) but I still have to comment on few points. SigmaticDoc said: You have a single limited rating system despite people constantly asking for more so they can personalize their lists more, meanwhile AniList pulls of 5 different rating systems with relative ease. MAL staff's excuses that it'd be messy are redundant. There is absolutely no point in making more rating systems. 1-10 system is by far the most respectable one to rate any kind of media entertainment. Sometimes having 1-100 could seem as helpful, for example when you want to digest your one true 100 out of everything else, but you have favorites for that. 90% of the time, it's completely irrelevant if you rate show a 5 or 53, nobody's gonna question the difference anyway. 1-5 is fine but it doesn't have enough diverstity between the numbers to really be effective imo. Smileys are just dumb in general. MAL staff is true this time when they say it would only make things more messy. SigmaticDoc said: For proper statistics on anything you have to use Third Party sites such as MALgraph and in cases like the current one - where MAL's API doesn't work, you won't be able to even check your stats out. Meanwhile that's built-in your AniList profile. This was probably meant as a problem with third party sites in general, but MALGraph is not down anymore. Just saying. SigmaticDoc said: AniList and Kitsu both have global feeds, which makes up for a much more organic community. Absolutely no reason for MAL to have this feature. Forums are a mess as they are, and having a global feed in which 90% of the post are "good morning everyone, hope you have a good day" is absolutely pointless. SigmaticDoc said: There's also a dislike button to your reviews. People can know your review isn't well regarded without having to resort to reporting it only so they can get the same copy paste answer back from the MAL staff. The feature was taken away a few years ago for a reason. Literally nobody cares what is written in the reviews, as long as the number in the end is on the "popular opinion" side of things, it's always gonna get minimal downvotes. No matter how bad of a review it might be. On the other hand well written reviews focused on unpopular opinions always get downvoted to death. SigmaticDoc said: Bottom line is, outside of a few functions, MAL loses out on the majority of the aspects and it still doesn't do anything about it. People will realize it's slowly relying on it's popularity so it doesn't do anything and that the staff just simply doesn't care. I think you are a bit naive if you think the staff of AniList would behave any better if put into MAL's situation. And I don't want to defend MAL here, they comm in general is not great and it's true they are not bringing anything new compared to AniList. On the other hand, you have ro consider how many more people use MAL over AniList. The difference between the two databases is still incredible. That alone makes MAL a much harder to fuction as it is, which of course makes it more difficult to try and improve anything (also considering things could end up the same way the last months, which of course nobody from MAL wants). Also, the people who created AniList are much younger and less, let's say, corrupted. Staff of MAL was once also full of ideas to make something better. If AniList was the one who created this site years ago, things would be exactly the same as they are now. Also, when you want to write the things MAL does badly, you should also atleast mention the things it does well, and what makes people stick around. It has, by far, the best list-editing out of any site I know, which is the most important thing. Profile site layout is much better than anywhere else too. Its database is still very strong. Forums are livelier. I have to mention anime/manga list again, because it's just that awesome. Once again, I don't really want to make MAL as the superior site here, but making it seem like the lesser is also a wrong approach. It has flaws, sure, but it also has non-matched qualities that make people stick around. EDIT: To actually answer your topic. No, MAL doesn't have to change as long as it has the best list abilities. They should, but it's not necessary. |
Tomm01pAug 10, 2018 6:39 AM
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
| MAL's API will be back. None of what you suggest is actually useful or worth the time to implement. |
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| @Railey2 I've seen stuff in Suggestion Board being asked constantly and it pains me to the point of numbing me to death, that it's not being implemented. If there's a better one, move on. Reminder, about the edit club comment suggestion :/ |
Unyversu said: Let the dude share his opinion dam... Why do you all get so salty over 1 opinion? I feel bad for this dude now It even states that he registered on MAL -> Feb 2015 I think he has more then enough rights to share his point of view without getting toxic weebs smashing their keyboards defending the pride of an anime website lmfao ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now on to what i feel about your topic, you have alot of good points and ideas that needs to be added for a much better future for mal! [ IN MY OPINON ] Please don't rage at me weebs. First of, the AniList has an years slider This is a great idea! Somthing that i now feel very stupid about not suggesting before you :o I really hope MAL takes some time off to implement this! Second of you made me feel stupid for not suggestion this once a gain! a dislike button to your reviews. This would help alot of people inclouding myself in choosing to watch or ignore an anime that i am uncertain about, if i am rating the Anime of the reviews witch i do rarely but i guess some people do it! All this is a great topic with alot of great points! and i apolagize for these people's rude behaviour. This will probably not stop the cringe kids from saying you're view on things is trash and that you can just go! and that you just don't understand... like i'm just gonna sit here laughing at them to be honest! hope mods see this post and does not get blinded by the keyboard smashers. Cheers,- Uny You said everything I wanted to say |
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SigmaticDoc said: From the looks of it, MAL has no intention of changing, they'll go on as nothing happened, they'll forget about the Password resets prior to the down time which caused some people to permanently lose access to their accounts. It's not MAL's fault people permanently lost access to their accounts. Using an Email address that doesn't work anymore or not knowing your own information is your own fault. Keep your information up to date and remember it (or write it down if your memory is really that shit). I don't see how MAL can be blamed for a lack of intelligence on a user's side. Plus AniList's Forum layout is fucking horrible and that's all I'm here for. |
PsychoticDaveAug 10, 2018 9:42 AM
| i can agree with you on some things but holy shit stop comparing mal to kitsu.io and anilist those websites both suck |
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| I don't care if an interface is dated or not, so long as it's easy to navigate. MAL doesn't have every feature I'd like, sure, but Anilist is a nightmare. Their browser is alright and I could probably get used to the individual anime pages (though they're pretty bad), but the forums are awful. ...you have to refresh the page to even get a notification, something that happens in real time on AniList. I never understood how this was a problem. Who's sitting on one page for hours on end, or cares enough about notifications that they have to have them the instant they occur? I mean, I guess some people do this, it just confuses me that it matters at all. You have a single limited rating system despite people constantly asking for more so they can personalize their lists more, meanwhile AniList pulls of 5 different rating systems with relative ease. MAL staff's excuses that it'd be messy are redundant. I do like Anilist's ability to choose your rating system, and I do wish MAL let you give half-points...but they're right, being able to switch is kind of messy. "Is four stars equal to 8 points, or is it 7 or 9?" "This person put a happy face on this anime, but is it one of the best they've seen or one of the worst they liked?" And so on and so forth. With one system, it's easier to compare lists. While writing reviews in AniList, BBCode is enabled to help you stylize your interview and properly highlight what you need to, without it looking like a massive wall of text. I don't write reviews (instead doing mini-ones in my list tags), but this is a good idea. AniList has an years slider, you can browse anime in a specific year range, something MAL doesn't have. This is too. MAL has the start/end date thing, but that's only helpful if you're looking for anime from a single, specific year. Edit: ...Unless I'm missing something and it's just poorly labeled. Which I think I was, after testing. Wow. o_o So yeah, MAL has this too, it's just not at all obvious. Basically MAL staff is petty. MAL staff is not an amorphous blob, they're individual people. You do get petty ones in any given group, but you also get polite, hard-working ones. And that's as far as I'll get into that. There's also a dislike button to your reviews. People can know your review isn't well regarded without having to resort to reporting it only so they can get the same copy paste answer back from the MAL staff. Yeah, it'd help with keeping more relevant reviews on the front page. But then comes the potential of being downvoted just because you gave somebody's favorite anime a bad review, or gave a good review to an anime someone hated. Because people are jerks like that. |
SyssarethAug 10, 2018 10:13 AM
Swagernator said: No one is holding your ass here, you're free to go. Why the hell can't I just post a thread for constructive criticism instead? Never said I'm being held here, as I'm registered in AL, Kitsu and AniDB as well. Redundant post adding nothing to the whole thread. But that's most of your posts to be honest. |
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Aquamirror said: MAL's API will be back. None of what you suggest is actually useful or worth the time to implement. So... implementing an Years Slider which is EXTREMELY convenient and makes browsing anime of a certain time period way easier is ''not useful'' to a site that's entire purpose is to help people find and track their anime. Not to say anything bad to you or anything but you kinda jumped a few logicz there. |
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I do like Anilist's ability to choose your rating system, and I do wish MAL let you give half-points...but they're right, being able to switch is kind of messy. "Is four stars equal to 8 points, or is it 7 or 9?" "This person put a happy face on this anime, but is it one of the best they've seen or one of the worst they liked?" And so on and so forth. With one system, it's easier to compare lists. The thing is, AniList's weighing system is at least accustomed to custom rating systems. MAL users often make up their own from the single individual system present which fucks up the ratings even more. I know plenty of people rating on this site from 1 to 5 or the 1,5,10 rating system. |
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PsychoticDave said: SigmaticDoc said: From the looks of it, MAL has no intention of changing, they'll go on as nothing happened, they'll forget about the Password resets prior to the down time which caused some people to permanently lose access to their accounts. It's not MAL's fault people permanently lost access to their accounts. Using an Email address that doesn't work anymore or not knowing your own information is your own fault. Keep your information up to date and remember it (or write it down if your memory is really that shit). I don't see how MAL can be blamed for a lack of intelligence on a user's side. Plus AniList's Forum layout is fucking horrible and that's all I'm here for. The thing is, they couldn't even prepare for that, users have been nonchalant about using e-mails they no longer have access to because MAL's went for a decade without such a thing occurring, and then suddenly out of nowhere without even a warning, they reset people's shit. At least warn them 1 day prior. It's MAL's fault too. |
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SigmaticDoc said: I do like Anilist's ability to choose your rating system, and I do wish MAL let you give half-points...but they're right, being able to switch is kind of messy. "Is four stars equal to 8 points, or is it 7 or 9?" "This person put a happy face on this anime, but is it one of the best they've seen or one of the worst they liked?" And so on and so forth. With one system, it's easier to compare lists. The thing is, AniList's weighing system is at least accustomed to custom rating systems. MAL users often make up their own from the single individual system present which fucks up the ratings even more. I know plenty of people rating on this site from 1 to 5 or the 1,5,10 rating system. Users making up a rating system has nothing to do with MAL. That's just people being retarded. |
changelog_ said: You have a very biased, unfair and selfish views on recent events. Yes, MAL has failed a large number of its users, but that doesn't mean that they haven't tried. Could you try to show slightest bit of empathy to the team who did painstaking work to get MAL back online, for people like you to complain about it? Explain how it's biased, unfair and selfish to have these views. MAL staff lied to their users face to cover up a clear security breach. A simple ''thorough check up'' requiring tons of password resets and months long dysfunctional site features isn't just a thorough check up. It's not biased to think some of the staff is petty because a site similar to theirs is getting more traffic. (cause they clearly are, not naming anyone though, at least not publicly, I'd point fingers in DMs if anyone wanted to). I do know it's mostly DeNa's fault. But just because people work hard (which is commendable) it doesn't mean I shouldn't criticize their website. Everyone works hard, what about those animators that work on ecchi shows, etc. that's regarded as ''seasonal garbage'' by most people in the west? Are their shows actually good? They worked hard didn't they? |
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SigmaticDoc said: PsychoticDave said: It's not MAL's fault people permanently lost access to their accounts. Using an Email address that doesn't work anymore or not knowing your own information is your own fault. Keep your information up to date and remember it (or write it down if your memory is really that shit). I don't see how MAL can be blamed for a lack of intelligence on a user's side. Plus AniList's Forum layout is fucking horrible and that's all I'm here for. The thing is, they couldn't even prepare for that, users have been nonchalant about using e-mails they no longer have access to because MAL's went for a decade without such a thing occurring, and then suddenly out of nowhere without even a warning, they reset people's shit. At least warn them 1 day prior. It's MAL's fault too. It's not MAL's fault even remotely. If you remember your shit and keep it up to date or don't let your email get deactivated / deleted, you wont have any problems. I didn't have a single issue because like a responsible adult I can keep up with my own information and accounts. Even if there was a 24 hour notice or even a week notice, it would change nothing because the issue was people not being able to access their emails. Any notice would be useless. |
PsychoticDave said: SigmaticDoc said: The thing is, AniList's weighing system is at least accustomed to custom rating systems. MAL users often make up their own from the single individual system present which fucks up the ratings even more. I know plenty of people rating on this site from 1 to 5 or the 1,5,10 rating system. Users making up a rating system has nothing to do with MAL. That's just people being retarded. That's true, but those people do exist, and usually how things work is, a site accommodates itself to it's community, the thing that keeps it alive, it doesn't force the community to adapt to it. (Although considering people like that are a thing, it really hasn't succeeded at all in making people adapt) |
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SigmaticDoc said: PsychoticDave said: Users making up a rating system has nothing to do with MAL. That's just people being retarded. That's true, but those people do exist, and usually how things work is, a site accommodates itself to it's community, the thing that keeps it alive, it doesn't force the community to adapt to it. (Although considering people like that are a thing, it really hasn't succeeded at all in making people adapt) No one should have to adapt from either side. Either you like what's here or you find a site you deem better. I get people who don't understand / care how ratings work exist, but that's everywhere with reviews and ratings. It's not exclusive to MAL. |
SigmaticDoc said: Aquamirror said: MAL's API will be back. None of what you suggest is actually useful or worth the time to implement. So... implementing an Years Slider which is EXTREMELY convenient and makes browsing anime of a certain time period way easier is ''not useful'' to a site that's entire purpose is to help people find and track their anime. Not to say anything bad to you or anything but you kinda jumped a few logicz there. But you can already search anime by year and season. ._. https://myanimelist.net/anime/season |
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Aquamirror said: SigmaticDoc said: So... implementing an Years Slider which is EXTREMELY convenient and makes browsing anime of a certain time period way easier is ''not useful'' to a site that's entire purpose is to help people find and track their anime. Not to say anything bad to you or anything but you kinda jumped a few logicz there. But you can already search anime by year and season. ._. https://myanimelist.net/anime/season The archives are a painful wall of text to look at and to scroll though. Meanwhile I can just slide the slider in a second to the period I want to, it's more convenient for sure. But ye, Global Feed, being able to dislike reviews, BBcode enabled in reviews, etc. are all great additions. Are they really necessary? Arguable. Would they be additions for the better? Surely. Why settle for mediocrity when you can have something better. (I guess saying this in a community full of people who force themselves through anime they think are bad or mediocre just to have an opinion on it so they can discuss it is redundant though). |
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PsychoticDave said: SigmaticDoc said: The thing is, they couldn't even prepare for that, users have been nonchalant about using e-mails they no longer have access to because MAL's went for a decade without such a thing occurring, and then suddenly out of nowhere without even a warning, they reset people's shit. At least warn them 1 day prior. It's MAL's fault too. It's not MAL's fault even remotely. If you remember your shit and keep it up to date or don't let your email get deactivated / deleted, you wont have any problems. I didn't have a single issue because like a responsible adult I can keep up with my own information and accounts. Even if there was a 24 hour notice or even a week notice, it would change nothing because the issue was people not being able to access their emails. Any notice would be useless. If they got the notice they could always just click ''forgotten password'' and retrieve it. A lot of people don't give a shit about their e-mails if they're already registered in the website they made it for. MAL not giving the notice is what made a lot of people lose their accounts, people who could've potentially retrieved it in time. Every action has a reaction, it's never not someone's fault in cases like these. |
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| if you ask me it sure need one real time chat system like mal messenger kind of stuff its weird to have normal conversation as comments... though there is discord .. |
SigmaticDoc said: PsychoticDave said: It's not MAL's fault even remotely. If you remember your shit and keep it up to date or don't let your email get deactivated / deleted, you wont have any problems. I didn't have a single issue because like a responsible adult I can keep up with my own information and accounts. Even if there was a 24 hour notice or even a week notice, it would change nothing because the issue was people not being able to access their emails. Any notice would be useless. If they got the notice they could always just click ''forgotten password'' and retrieve it. A lot of people don't give a shit about their e-mails if they're already registered in the website they made it for. MAL not giving the notice is what made a lot of people lose their accounts, people who could've potentially retrieved it in time. Every action has a reaction, it's never not someone's fault in cases like these. If they could have gotten their accounts back with a 24 hour notice, there's no reason they couldn't get their accounts back right now. If you don't have access to your email and click 'Forgot Password', you're still fucked. It's their own faults for not keeping their email up to date, not remembering their email passwords, and not having recovery options for their email. MAL has nothing to do with laziness and shit memory. |
SigmaticDoc said: So... implementing an Years Slider which is EXTREMELY convenient and makes browsing anime of a certain time period way easier is ''not useful'' to a site that's entire purpose is to help people find and track their anime. Can you tell me the difference of what I said before and that Years Slider?! I really want to know...  |
mhkr said: SigmaticDoc said: So... implementing an Years Slider which is EXTREMELY convenient and makes browsing anime of a certain time period way easier is ''not useful'' to a site that's entire purpose is to help people find and track their anime. Can you tell me the difference of what I said before and that Years Slider?! I really want to know... Did you know if you search 1970-1979, it wont show shows that aired in 1979 but finished in 1980. I mentioned to them to fix this, they said that it didn't need to be fixed. |
The anime community in a nutshell.  |
Energetic-Nova said: mhkr said: Can you tell me the difference of what I said before and that Years Slider?! I really want to know... Did you know if you search 1970-1979, it wont show shows that aired in 1979 but finished in 1980. I mentioned to them to fix this, they said that it didn't need to be fixed. It specifically says Start Date and End Date. That's your own mistake. |
| Did you know, I reported at least 10 times how this website would warpwhistle me in the forums to a completely different Website. I reported this issue over the course of 4 years. They did nothing. We can fully blame MAL dev team, whoever was responsible. Because there was a clear security problem. I mentioned it to them multiple times for years. I mentioned several things for years. I mentioned how genres are moving on and changing and well, it is just too much work to add new and popular genres even if they think they aren't genres, isn't like cars is a real genre anyway so whatever, be stuck in 2010. Many people complained about being warp whistled over the years. not just me. many people complained about the ads and how sometimes they would even melt into the backgrounds of pages and play loud music and you couldn't shut them down. I have been on this site for 7 years and watched more features leave than come available. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
PsychoticDave said: Energetic-Nova said: Did you know if you search 1970-1979, it wont show shows that aired in 1979 but finished in 1980. I mentioned to them to fix this, they said that it didn't need to be fixed. It specifically says Start Date and End Date. That's your own mistake. It is not my own mistake. I don't want anime after a specific start date. If you do not click an end date, they will show you modern anime. Which is not what I want. I told them they should fix this, they did not. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Energetic-Nova said: It is not my own mistake. I don't want anime after a specific start date. If you do not click an end date, they will show you modern anime. Which is not what I want. I told them they should fix this, they did not. But it's not broken nor an issue. It does exactly what it says it does... |
Energetic-Nova said: mhkr said: Can you tell me the difference of what I said before and that Years Slider?! I really want to know... Did you know if you search 1970-1979, it wont show shows that aired in 1979 but finished in 1980. I mentioned to them to fix this, they said that it didn't need to be fixed. If this is a problem it didn't fix in Anilist also... |
| Basically the main issue you are pointing at is the lack of accessibility of the staff team, which is a problem MAL has had for as long as I know the site and it's ridiculously slow at solving. What MAL needs is more people in the staff and the situation is way better now than it was before but still not close to acceptable. The lack of communication between staff and development team is a more difficult issue and we can't do much about it except being frustrated. As for Anilist, Kitsu and other similar sites, call me when their databases are competent and their social interaction is as well established as this site's. MAL still has years of advantage over them, and it's the place with the better balance between an accurate and extensive database and an active userbase yet. Just because these sites are promising and growing steadily doesn't make them yet on the level of a site that has run for much longer and has established a much more solidified community. |
| Other sites like MAL will have features that we don't and we have features that they don't, that's natural for competitors in any area from technology to media to food etc. Being smaller, Anilist and Kitsu will obviously have different priorities and are obviously easier to reach since there are far fewer users on their sites making requests, plus they have a lot fewer features to manage. We have more comprehensive forums, news, featured articles, social media that isn't just sharing crappy memes and shit-talking, etc. The only things you've pointed out that they have that we don't are minor features on the scale of what we already have/do. All these sites including ours have their own path for improvement and we're no different. We have a lot lined up that we'd like to have done and it's a matter of when not if. There are absolutely things I agree with OP on that we should have. On the topic of "stealing" databases, we implemented a character database long before AniDB did, so I'm not sure how we stole that... we've been managing our own database for many years now. We may be staff, but we're also users just like you who often feel the same way about things. It's also incorrect to lump us in as the one entity, as each of us has our own goals and actions. But in the end, it's about personal preference and what your priorities are. I liked how Anilist allows you to pick your rating system, but their database sorely lacks and I miss the other features of MAL (especially Featured Articles); and Kitsu... well, I guess it has a cute logo. |
ShymanderAug 11, 2018 3:46 AM
| Also, the "relative ease" in which Anilist puts 5 rating systems... no, that's not the case. There are problems and controversies on this from time to time. This is a cool feature but it has drawbacks and MAL does not need it. Think of it as an appeal of Anilist, not a need of MyAnimeList. And.. god damn I'm rereading the first post and it makes zero sense, how does a global feed make a much more organic community? It's the contrary, you have to filter and ignore content yourself all the time. MAL is far more ordered in its spaces of interaction, Anilist is how Twitter would look if you followed every account in the site. If it ever gets a similar amount of users as current MAL, this will be insufferable. |
jal90Aug 11, 2018 4:14 AM
Shymander said: Other sites like MAL will have features that we don't and we have features that they don't, that's natural for competitors in any area from technology to media to food etc. Being smaller, Anilist and Kitsu will obviously have different priorities and are obviously easier to reach since there are far fewer users on their sites making requests, plus they have a lot fewer features to manage. We have more comprehensive forums, news, featured articles, social media that isn't just sharing crappy memes and shit-talking, etc. The only things you've pointed out that they have that we don't are minor features on the scale of what we already have/do. All these sites including ours have their own path for improvement and we're no different. We have a lot lined up that we'd like to have done and it's a matter of when not if. There are absolutely things I agree with OP on that we should have. On the topic of "stealing" databases, we implemented a character database long before AniDB did, so I'm not sure how we stole that... we've been managing our own database for many years now. We may be staff, but we're also users just like you who often feel the same way about things. It's also incorrect to lump us in as the one entity, as each of us has our own goals and actions. But in the end, it's about personal preference and what your priorities are. I liked how Anilist allows you to pick your rating system, but their database sorely lacks and I miss the other features of MAL (especially Featured Articles); and Kitsu... well, I guess it has a cute logo. Manga wise though, AniList has a lot of manga that are not on this site, even some that're kind of known. Anime wise they're mostly about the same, minus countless fluff like advertisements and music videos which are here for unknown reasons. Also, most of the time we get notifications about new additions to the database here, it does operate a lot more slowly based on that. AL gets new database additions on a really consistent basis.(Part of that being the fact they actually listen to users on their Discord instead of telling them to use the submission system) |
| Anime List|Manga List | Discord: Azureal#2963 |
jal90 said: Also, the "relative ease" in which Anilist puts 5 rating systems... no, that's not the case. There are problems and controversies on this from time to time. This is a cool feature but it has drawbacks and MAL does not need it. Think of it as an appeal of Anilist, not a need of MyAnimeList. And.. god damn I'm rereading the first post and it makes zero sense, how does a global feed make a much more organic community? It's the contrary, you have to filter and ignore content yourself all the time. MAL is far more ordered in its spaces of interaction, Anilist is how Twitter would look if you followed every account in the site. If it ever gets a similar amount of users as current MAL, this will be insufferable. You do know you can just set the feed to show only people you follow instead of the global feed if it's not to your liking? If I wanted to filter content I'd just set it to people I follow. The thing about the global feed is that you can interact with people on the fly for whatever they appeared on there for. AniList's database is relatively similar minus some recaps. Plus there's no music videos and tv advertisements on there. It's way cleaner. MAL's database is jacked with garbage. |
| Anime List|Manga List | Discord: Azureal#2963 |
SigmaticDoc said: jal90 said: Also, the "relative ease" in which Anilist puts 5 rating systems... no, that's not the case. There are problems and controversies on this from time to time. This is a cool feature but it has drawbacks and MAL does not need it. Think of it as an appeal of Anilist, not a need of MyAnimeList. And.. god damn I'm rereading the first post and it makes zero sense, how does a global feed make a much more organic community? It's the contrary, you have to filter and ignore content yourself all the time. MAL is far more ordered in its spaces of interaction, Anilist is how Twitter would look if you followed every account in the site. If it ever gets a similar amount of users as current MAL, this will be insufferable. You do know you can just set the feed to show only people you follow instead of the global feed if it's not to your liking? I know, I'm questioning how a global feed makes a more organic interaction. It only fills you with more information than you need and want, and that you need to filter anyway. SigmaticDoc said: If I wanted to filter content I'd just set it to people I follow. The thing about the global feed is that you can interact with people on the fly for whatever they appeared on there for. And you can in MAL as well, the only difference is that there are far more ordered spaces to allow that interaction. SigmaticDoc said: AniList's database is relatively similar minus some recaps. Some recaps and many short films, which I do miss. But that's in quantity, and I also agree that the manga DB is more complete in that sense. On the actual content of the entries, MAL is miles above Anilist. Anilist doesn't even have entries for all the main characters in a lot of shows, even fairly popular ones. SigmaticDoc said: Plus there's no music videos and tv advertisements on there. It's way cleaner. MAL's database is jacked with garbage. You make it look like a con when at least it is a pretty easy to ignore thing. Also, Anilist has music videos. |
SigmaticDoc said: Manga wise though, AniList has a lot of manga that are not on this site, even some that're kind of known. Anime wise they're mostly about the same, minus countless fluff like advertisements and music videos which are here for unknown reasons. Also, most of the time we get notifications about new additions to the database here, it does operate a lot more slowly based on that. AL gets new database additions on a really consistent basis.(Part of that being the fact they actually listen to users on their Discord instead of telling them to use the submission system) Unless you're able to track every submission that is made and approved here, I'm not sure how you can prove that. Anilist is still missing a lot of entries for anime, especially a lot of minor ones. During when the site was down, I attempted to import my list there to check Anilist out and it was unable to import over 90 entries due to not being in their database. Some of those are music videos and such, which do belong as they are anime like everything else; it's comprehensive, not "jacked with garbage" Asking users to use the submission system actually makes a lot more sense because it's easier to keep track of submissions and have them all in the one place rather than strewn across several moderators' inboxes where they can be buried. With manga, that is something that MAL is a bit behind on but was in the process of being worked on before the site went down, which put a spanner in those works. This is, of course, a priority. However, another note on the fact that Anilist works on a far smaller scale than MAL is that AL doesn't have Manhua or Manhwa, and AL manga pages have less info than MAL such as serializations and pictures. What AL has in manga that we don't, I don't know, but it's easy to find manga that we have that they don't so it's a neutral issue on both sides (you just have to sort manga on here by least members and search entries from there on AL, which you could also do vice vers- oh wait you can't). |
Swagernator said: No one is holding your ass here, you're free to go. ^^completely agree with this. Also OP, if people forgot their passwords in the first place, that's on them. That's in pretty much any online entity's TOS/Agreement. |
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| high key mal looking shitty and old is one of the reasons i'm still on mal anilist looks pretty and all but it's less practical than mal |
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