| So we all know anime is pretty awesome, but not everybody else does. While I don’t think anime is for everybody, I do believe there is a series for just about anybody, if that makes sense. With so many different genres and styles it’s hard to imagine that there isn’t at least one series that could be enjoyed by someone who isn’t familiar with anime, so long as they aren’t averse to animated shows in general. I was roped in many moons ago by Dragon Ball Z. More recently, Attack on Titan and One Punch Man seem to be pretty popular shows, even for people who don't typically watch anime. I also think A Place Further than the Universe might be a good intro series for certain types of viewers. What are some of the shows that got you personally interested in anime, and what are some that you feel might be approachable for people who “don’t like anime" (without having actually watched it), or are new/unfamiliar with it? Some of the replies here may end up featured on a podcast later this week or next. |
PrettiBoiSlimMay 1, 2018 3:12 PM
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| I think actually most of anime, save for stuff like CGDCT or ecchi/harem shows, could be enjoyed by a 'normie', if they actually get to try them. On another forum I attend, not anime related, few people watched Erased and BNHA and liked the shows, despite not being into anime as a whole. Death Note also seems like a show people would love, and most that try do. |
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| Series that's not anime would probably be a series for people who don't like anime. |
| For some reason for me it was SOA. I was intrigued by its trailer I saw on an ad and decided to look it up, which got me hooked on anime. Two anime that I would recommend to non-anime watchers are Steins;Gate and 91 Days. They are topics that Western watchers would relate and enjoy and wouldn't be, at first, turned off by the weirdness that is anime. |
| What got me into anime? Well, as I've posted before in other threads, I started with Voltron, then Pokémon, as a kid. Then I largely ignored anime until someone convinced me to watched Neon Genesis Evangelion, then I picked up Kiddy Grade on a whim, then I watched some MAL recs stemming from that, then someone else introduced me to Nanoha. And yeah. If you want "generic recommendations" I guess you can try something like Spirited Away (mention it won an Oscar if you want), Tokyo Godfathers (good for Christmas), or The Half-Broken Music Box (a.k.a. Kowarekake no Orgel, which is a nice and emotional story that's just half an hour long). Anything longer might give them a literal chance to pause (and drop it) after an episode. I mean, I could certainly recommend Eureka Seven, to anyone who's willing to take it in, and it's certainly a very good story in my opinion, but it does require, say, two cours for it to get to some really emotionally powerful stuff, and while I think the buildup is worth it, you probably won't get someone to sit for that long if they are specifically skeptical of anime. Anything beyond the length of a standard movie (in total time) is probably something I'd at the very least check to make sure fits the person's tastes. But checking their tastes really IS important, even if the person is neutral on anime and simply lacks interest. For example, before I watched Evangelion, I did hang out with some friends who watched a lot of Naruto. I never got into it beyond what they showed me, though, because it wasn't really my taste (even though I didn't know that at the time). Also, after watching Evangelion, I tried watching Noir, but that also didn't really do very well at inspiring my interest -- rather, I randomly picked up Kiddy Grade because had Funimation uploaded it to YouTube, and then I fell in love with that series instead (and it's also the first series that, itself, caused me to look for "more like this", so it's actually more of a gateway series for me than Evangelion). |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Sonic X should work juuuuuust fine. |
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| Ghibli's movie, World Masterpiece Theater, and Shounen fantasy, such as Naruto seem more acceptable for people who aren't anime fans. . . I honestly think a show that full of either gore, ecchi scenes, chibi character, or moe is uncomfortable or maybe uninteresting for them. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| SnK, OPM and Death Note are good 'newbie' anime imo since they have a lot of reoccurring aspects that you'd find in other shows |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| If they don't like anime, you either: 1: Make them like it 2: Don't bother What's the point of showing them "different stuff" just for the sake of it being anime? After they watch it they will just go back to watch Sheepleflix. |
| For a more fantasy and immersive world, I would recommended Ghibli movies so they can see what anime can do. For thrilling aspects, Death Note would do just fine. I want to recommended Ghost in the Shell and Ergo Proxy if ever they want a sci-fi title. Not really for newbies, but hey, we can't say they will like "newbies" anime, they might be adept in narratives. Dark Fantasy would be Berserk and Jin-Rou. And I could go on with different genres, different titles. Then the usual "SnK, OPM, SAO, blah blah" answer. |
 𝔚𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔞 𝔱𝔬𝔲𝔠𝔥 𝔶𝔬𝔲, 𝔚𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔫' 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔪𝔶 𝔪𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱 ______________________ |
| Death Note, Attack on Titan and Miyazaki's oeuvre almost always seem to do the trick. |
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| Deathnote was what got me into anime and I think it's a pretty solid starting point for people. However, I'd say it is more a case by case basis depending onthe person's age and preferred genres in movies/ books/TV For younger people (<20) I'd reccomend something like FMAB or AoT. For >20 id recommend requiem for the phantom or elfen lied |
| As long as it's representative of what the rest of Anime can do you can show them anything. Just don't go telling them an Anime like Baccano, where most of its appealing qualities are the things that separate it from the conventions of normal Anime, is a quintessential viewing experience. A good one for me was Tiger&Bunny. Casshern Sins and Samurai Flamenco would have done the job just as well. I don't think Ghibli movies are a gateway into other Anime because the only shows that really capture a comparable feeling exist in the World Masterpiece Theater. Current shows that are lauded as ghibliesque basically never are. People who get into Anime through Ghibli movies mostly stay in that sphere of the community. |
OchimushaMay 1, 2018 2:35 PM
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| What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? And there's no such thing as "series to get ppl who don't like anime into anime" it all depends on the individual Lots if ppl get into anime cause they think it's sexy when they first see it, so this idea that someone new to anime can't be introduced through fanservice is absolute bullshit There's plenty of ppl on here who started anime as an ecchi fan |
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: Aren't on you a mission to convert everyone, even if it says on MAL, you can expand on that ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? |
𝔚𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔞 𝔱𝔬𝔲𝔠𝔥 𝔶𝔬𝔲, 𝔚𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔫' 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔪𝔶 𝔪𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱 ______________________ |
| Ergh, like I always say, I think it should be a taken as a matter of the individual. If you want to recommend them an anime, recommend it to them because you think they'll be interested in the show you're recommending them, and not because it's an anime, which is usually what the implication of trying to figure out things like "what is the best gateway anime for non-fans" is. Make it at least somewhat genuine. It's how it is even with people who are already in the fanbase. They have their types of shows they prefer, certain elements and aspects, and they might not like other aspects of something. These sorts of things need to be taken into consideration when making a recommendation to somebody, not just running up and making a general recommendation for people who might not be into it as a good gateway to introduce them to it or convert them to it or something dumb like that. This faceless entity serving as the basis of the generalization tends to be just an amalgamation of whatever we're perceiving as mainstream or has the most broad, general appeal, which is honestly kind of derisive to people who don't like anime and makes it sound kind of condescending because we're just instantly projecting this lack of diversity or individualism onto non-audiences. Not sure if that's the intent or not, but that's how it ultimately usually comes across as sounding. Just don't understand the evangelist mindset this fandom has sometimes, honestly. Other fandoms I've been in don't concern themselves so heavily with convincing everybody and their grandmother to like their product on a broad level, this was (and still kind of is) alien to me once I started getting into anime. This isn't Christianity or Islam, anime is not a prophetizing religion, let's not worry about it and let these things happen naturally. |
ManabanMay 1, 2018 2:53 PM
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-Lofn- said: EcchiGodMamsterP said: Aren't on you a mission to convert everyone, even if it says on MAL, you can expand on that ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? I don't give a shit about non anime watchers lol |
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? And there's no such thing as "series to get ppl who don't like anime into anime" it all depends on the individual Lots if ppl get into anime cause they think it's sexy when they first see it, so this idea that someone new to anime can't be introduced through fanservice is absolute bullshit There's plenty of ppl on here who started anime as an ecchi fan I don't disagree. I'm not gonna try to speak for everyone "obsessed" with getting people into anime, but personally, I'd like to work away from the anime=weird hentai stigma/ignorance that seems to exist at least where I'm at in the US. I think one of the best ways to do that is to literally just show people that there is SO MUCH content to choose from, provided they're willing to try it. More generally speaking, I think people just like to share the things they're interested in, whether it be movies, music, games, etc. I'm not asking for one series that will convert everyone to a regular anime connoisseur, or anything, more so just consulting the MAL community regarding which series got them into it, and which ones they think would be relatively approachable for others with possibly similar taste, but who aren't familiar with anime. I mean, I think Monster Musume was alright, but it's not one that I'd recommend as a start for anybody unless they specifically told me that kind of story/content would appeal to them. If there are some ecchi shows that did initially get you into anime, I'm still interested to hear/read about it. |
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? And there's no such thing as "series to get ppl who don't like anime into anime" it all depends on the individual Lots if ppl get into anime cause they think it's sexy when they first see it, so this idea that someone new to anime can't be introduced through fanservice is absolute bullshit There's plenty of ppl on here who started anime as an ecchi fan Then could you introduce me to any of them? Because from many people I've met, they usually started with shounen shows such as Dragon Ball or Naruto |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
PrettiBoiSlim said: I don't disagree. I'm not gonna try to speak for everyone "obsessed" with getting people into anime, but personally, I'd like to work away from the anime=weird hentai stigma/ignorance that seems to exist at least where I'm at in the US. I think one of the best ways to do that is to literally just show people that there is SO MUCH content to choose from, provided they're willing to try it. More generally speaking, I think people just like to share the things they're interested in, whether it be movies, music, games, etc. I'm not asking for one series that will convert everyone to a regular anime connoisseur, or anything, more so just consulting the MAL community regarding which series got them into it, and which ones they think would be relatively approachable for others with possibly similar taste, but who aren't familiar with anime. I mean, I think Monster Musume was alright, but it's not one that I'd recommend as a start for anybody unless they specifically told me that kind of story/content would appeal to them. If there are some ecchi shows that did initially get you into anime, I'm still interested to hear/read about it. I remember Bob Samurai, the one YTer who I dislike more than any other anime YTer, did a poll once on what kept people out of anime with three options - a third one that I've legit outright forgotten by now because it's been a while, the stigma surrounding ecchi and fanservice, and the stigma about animation being for children. The latter won between the three with over 50% - of course he spent the most of the video talking about fanservice even though his own data contradicted that and it had 20% less than the option about the stigma around animation in general, not just anime. I'm saying this because I think people tend to really understate existing stigmas surrounding animation as a whole and instead just try to pinpoint the whole thing onto fanservice, which just feels kind of unfair to me. There's stigmas that exist around animation as a whole that tend to be more widely accepted and known than ecchi and harem and the like even existing yet those tend to get ignored in these conversations. Maybe not purposefully like BobSamurai kind of did, but still should be noted nonetheless. pinging @Kurniawan_Ktr here since he posted as I was writing this Anyway, sure, I was somebody who was introduced to anime by an ecchi show. Kenkou Zenrakei Suieibu Umishou was the title. I remember it being sexy first and foremost - it still holds up after watching tons more ecchi than I had at that point with some of its service scenes - and also mixes together sports tropes and competition with bombastic, over the top comedy that I found hilarious. I think it's an underrated little gem and is one of the few ecchi shows I'd be quick to recommend to people because of it being true to being an ecchi while having other elements removed from the standard tropes surrounding it as well as lacking in harem aspects, which generally people seem to take much greater issue with by and large within this fanbase. I found it through a MistyXChronexia video about school anime, by the way, so I didn't even explicitly seek it out because it was an ecchi, that was just a nice bit that happened and what I was looking for was a school anime. Saw anime school environment in yandere sim and some other anime-esque videogames on a YT channel I watched at the time and figured might look into an anime with that sort of setting, googled "top 10 school anime" since I know top 10 lists are everywhere on that site, and there you go, found that little hidden gem. Had just been out of school for a few months myself and was adjusting to adult life and being in the workforce and such, too, so I had that sort of yearning for simpler times pretty heavily. I'm an ecchi fan now, and I don't doubt at all that's how things would've turned out had I started with something different regardless, but I didn't actually seek one out for my first. It just so happened to be one. |
ManabanMay 1, 2018 3:18 PM
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| @Manaban so it was your first anime? |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Yep. Very first, completely bona-fide. Never watched any of the stuff that aired on TV when I was a kid or anything. No DBZ or Ghibli or any ultra-mainstream title like that, didn't watch much animation in general until I was a teenager and when I was a kid I was all about videogames. Late teens - already out of school and starting my ausbildung - is when I branched from western animation like Kim Possible and Martin Mystery and Rocko's Modern Life and Duck Tales and Sonic Boom and such over to anime. |
ManabanMay 1, 2018 3:22 PM
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Stead said: Most certainly wouldn't be an anime series if they don't like anime. lol that response. For me personally, i would introduce people to anime with Studio Ghibli movies first since they are already somewhat known in America and because they just have an appeal to a wide audience. |
Manaban said: PrettiBoiSlim said: I don't disagree. I'm not gonna try to speak for everyone "obsessed" with getting people into anime, but personally, I'd like to work away from the anime=weird hentai stigma/ignorance that seems to exist at least where I'm at in the US. I think one of the best ways to do that is to literally just show people that there is SO MUCH content to choose from, provided they're willing to try it. More generally speaking, I think people just like to share the things they're interested in, whether it be movies, music, games, etc. I'm not asking for one series that will convert everyone to a regular anime connoisseur, or anything, more so just consulting the MAL community regarding which series got them into it, and which ones they think would be relatively approachable for others with possibly similar taste, but who aren't familiar with anime. I mean, I think Monster Musume was alright, but it's not one that I'd recommend as a start for anybody unless they specifically told me that kind of story/content would appeal to them. If there are some ecchi shows that did initially get you into anime, I'm still interested to hear/read about it. I remember Bob Samurai, the one YTer who I dislike more than any other anime YTer, did a poll once on what kept people out of anime with three options - a third one that I've legit outright forgotten by now because it's been a while, the stigma surrounding ecchi and fanservice, and the stigma about animation being for children. The latter won between the three with over 50% - of course he spent the most of the video talking about fanservice even though his own data contradicted that and it had 20% less than the option about the stigma around animation in general, not just anime. I'm saying this because I think people tend to really understate existing stigmas surrounding animation as a whole and instead just try to pinpoint the whole thing onto fanservice, which just feels kind of unfair to me. There's stigmas that exist around animation as a whole that tend to be more widely accepted and known than ecchi and harem and the like even existing yet those tend to get ignored in these conversations. Maybe not purposefully like BobSamurai kind of did, but still should be noted nonetheless. pinging @Kurniawan_Ktr here since he posted as I was writing this Anyway, sure, I was somebody who was introduced to anime by an ecchi show. Kenkou Zenrakei Suieibu Umishou was the title. I remember it being sexy first and foremost - it still holds up after watching tons more ecchi than I had at that point with some of its service scenes - and also mixes together sports tropes and competition with bombastic, over the top comedy that I found hilarious. I think it's an underrated little gem and is one of the few ecchi shows I'd be quick to recommend to people because of it being true to being an ecchi while having other elements removed from the standard tropes surrounding it as well as lacking in harem aspects, which generally people seem to take much greater issue with by and large within this fanbase. I think the more general animation issue is a good point. Part of the more mainstream appeal of series like Attack on Titan, Death Note, etc.. is probably that they have more mature themes/content compared to popular "children's cartoons". I put that in quotes cuz I still watch a lot of things that many would consider "kid or family shows/movies". Though, gladly, I think some of that notion is changing now, too. |
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| a bunch of my friends who aren't into anime have watched aot or death note. I think i think a good, popular action anime would be a good starting series for most. For older people, i think its better to stick to movies. Honestly, maybe even avatar the last airbender. while not an anime it definitely has an anime feel to it, plus its in english. wouldn't mind listening to the podcast, where can i find it when it's made? |
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Manaban said: Yep. Very first. Never watched any of the stuff that aired on TV when I was a kid or anything. Then you're the first person I know that didn't start with a shounen show I personally found Dark magician girl sexy and I became more open to ecchi show as I grow. Generally speaking, people more into a specific type of genre or shows as they got deeper and watching more shows. But yeah, I think there are some people got into anime from a certain genre and only intertained by that certain genre. Though, I don't think it happened that often as Mamster said. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| Cowboy Bebop comes to mind. It isn't set in Japan, it includes many references to western culture, and the character stylization doesn't have the 'anime look' (or at least has less of it than most). |
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-Everlasting- said: a bunch of my friends who aren't into anime have watched aot or death note. I think i think a good, popular action anime would be a good starting series for most. For older people, i think its better to stick to movies. Honestly, maybe even avatar the last airbender. while not an anime it definitely has an anime feel to it, plus its in english. wouldn't mind listening to the podcast, where can i find it when it's made? Usually they're posted here every Sunday (U.S. Eastern Standard Time). I can just friend you here, though, and send you a link to it once it's done. With how much discussion this has already generated, I'm almost certain we'll taking about it on the upcoming show. |
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PrettiBoiSlim said: I think the more general animation issue is a good point. Part of the more mainstream appeal of series like Attack on Titan, Death Note, etc.. is probably that they have more mature themes/content compared to popular "children's cartoons". I put that in quotes cuz I still watch a lot of things that many would consider "kid or family shows/movies". Though, gladly, I think some of that notion is changing now, too. Yeah, that it seems to be, alongside geek culture and such in general. Good, I guess, doesn't matter much to me because I stopped being concerned with being seen as weird years ago by now, but I don't think it's an issue either. Not interested in that kind of gatekeeping, it's the wrong type. And while that might be on the way out, to change the stigmas around ecchi we'd need a fucking sexual revolution because so many people and societies, especially ones outside of west/central/northern Europe from what I know, are practically conditioned from very early ages to be squeamish and embarrassed about these things. Like, one time I talked about how you can go to a home improvement store here and buy posters of naked women that are displayed among other kinds of posters side by side to a friend from America and he was practically shitting himself. Let alone places like Japan, which still censors penises and such in hentai, ffs. It's ridiculous. Maybe I'll get that in my lifetime, where people understand that just because they find a fetish or something sexual to be distasteful doesn't mean that it warrants a goddamn meltdown and we get that societal upheavel where people understand there's nothing wrong with seeing a nipple or an upskirt or something. Tastefulness and sexualization go together like oil and water when it's being applied to a broad level, only in specific works aiming at a more artistic or thematic approach does it actually matter, which is a different type of entertainment all together. |
ManabanMay 1, 2018 3:44 PM
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Manaban said: PrettiBoiSlim said: I think the more general animation issue is a good point. Part of the more mainstream appeal of series like Attack on Titan, Death Note, etc.. is probably that they have more mature themes/content compared to popular "children's cartoons". I put that in quotes cuz I still watch a lot of things that many would consider "kid or family shows/movies". Though, gladly, I think some of that notion is changing now, too. Yeah, that it seems to be, alongside geek culture and such in general. Good, I guess, doesn't matter much to me because I stopped being concerned with being seen as weird years ago by now, but I don't think it's an issue either. Not interested in that kind of gatekeeping, it's the wrong type. And while that might be on the way out, to change the stigmas around ecchi we'd need a fucking sexual revolution because so many people and societies, 'specially ones outside of Europe from what I know, are practically conditioned to be squeamish at the site of a nipple or something. Like, one time I talked about how you can go to a home improvement store here and buy posters of naked women that are displayed among other kinds of posters side by side to a friend from America and he was practically shitting himself. Let alone places like Japan, which still censors penises and such in hentai, ffs. It's ridiculous. Yeahhhh. Oh, but following up on your previous "Other fandoms I've been in don't concern themselves so heavily with convincing everybody and their grandmother to like their product on a broad level" statement. That surprises me. I think Marvel and DC comics, as well as Star Wars fans are some of the worst offenders in this regard. Yeah, a lot of it can probably be attributed to the crazy popularity of the newer films, but there's a lot elitism, it seems. Very similar to what you sometimes find in anime. Also the neckbeards who make games like Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the Gathering nearly inhospitable to outsiders get on my nerves. |
PrettiBoiSlimMay 1, 2018 4:10 PM
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Kurniawan_Ktr said: Then you're the first person I know that didn't start with a shounen show I personally found Dark magician girl sexy and I became more open to ecchi show as I grow. Generally speaking, people more into a specific type of genre or shows as they got deeper and watching more shows. But yeah, I think there are some people got into anime from a certain genre and only intertained by that certain genre. Though, I don't think it happened that often as Mamster said. Well, there's plenty that didn't start off with a battle shounen or something. Those are/were just normal entry titles because they're the most mainstream and often can be associated with anime the most because of relative popularity. Series like DB, Naruto, FMA, etc, even Bleach and Fairy Tail to a lesser extent, and modern ones like BnHA are closer to that level of recognition. Doesn't necessarily mean people will like them - in fact, quite the opposite, if they find the tropes or defining elements to be stupid then there's a much greater risk of it putting them off of anime as a whole because in the mainstream consciousness those are likely to be seen as more representative as a whole and thus might be more damaging to their perception of what's a diverse medium. It's understandable to see it as one of the main entry points for a lot of people because that's generally the most accessible in terms of being able to obtain or hear of from word of mouth, though. Just isn't that surprising for people to get into other genres first, is what I think he is right about tho. |
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| @PrettiBoiSlim I don't disagree. I'm not gonna try to speak for everyone "obsessed" with getting people into anime, but personally, I'd like to work away from the anime=weird hentai stigma/ignorance that seems to exist at least where I'm at in the US. I think one of the best ways to do that is to literally just show people that there is SO MUCH content to choose from, provided they're willing to try it. ...... ....why? why does it matter that there are people who aren't willing to try anime? and why does the perception of anime need to change? theres ALWAYS going to be people who don't want to get into something, and i see NO ISSUE AT ALL with that that just reduces the amount of cancerous people who do nothing but complain about it More generally speaking, I think people just like to share the things they're interested in, whether it be movies, music, games, etc. yea but people still have this assumption that theres a specific way to do things, which is wrong I'm not asking for one series that will convert everyone to a regular anime connoisseur, or anything, more so just consulting the MAL community regarding which series got them into it, and which ones they think would be relatively approachable for others with possibly similar taste, but who aren't familiar with anime. yea but still.. most people are going to name mainstream or acclaimed series.. not realizing that people can into anime through anything again... why? why do people give a shit? I mean, I think Monster Musume was alright, but it's not one that I'd recommend as a start for anybody unless they specifically told me that kind of story/content would appeal to them. If there are some ecchi shows that did initially get you into anime, I'm still interested to hear/read about it. i was one of the DBZ, Sailormoon, Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh kids... in all these shows i was mostly looking at the girls .. then after that, the creatures or monster characters, and today im still like that i don't see the issue with people knowing i like to watch anime full of ass and titties Kurniawan_Ktr said: EcchiGodMamsterP said: What is this obsession ppl have with getting ppl who don't like anime into anime??? And there's no such thing as "series to get ppl who don't like anime into anime" it all depends on the individual Lots if ppl get into anime cause they think it's sexy when they first see it, so this idea that someone new to anime can't be introduced through fanservice is absolute bullshit There's plenty of ppl on here who started anime as an ecchi fan Then could you introduce me to any of them? Because from many people I've met, they usually started with shounen shows such as Dragon Ball or Naruto well for one thing, despite already having had a severe attraction to fictional women from about 4 years old, when i was like 8-10 pokemon and digimon pretty much destroyed other cartoons because i thought the "Japanese cartoon" characters were far more attractive and i was all over the girls like never before i mean.. before anime, i was ALL OVER western cartoon women.. ESPECIALLY the disney princess so i am an example of someone who got into many cartoons because he thought the girls were hot most of them don't use these forums or aren't even on this site lol an example is my favorite coworker whos in his 30s, happily married and not only did he get into anime through fanservice, but thats all he watches i actually know 3 other married guys who only watch fanservice or harem anime |
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PrettiBoiSlim said: Yeahhhh. Oh, but following up on your previous "Other fandoms I've been in don't concern themselves so heavily with convincing everybody and their grandmother to like their product on a broad level" statement. That surprises me. I think Marvel and DC comics, as well as Star Wars fans are some of the worse offenders in this regard. Yeah, a lot of it can probably be attributed to the crazy popularity of the newer films, but there's a lot elitism, it seems. Very similar to what you sometimes find in anime. Ah, was never into comics or Star Wars much so I wouldn't know. Before I was primarily into western animation, like I brought up, and still am into videogames but to a lesser extent, which is a specific type about historical grand strategy games like paradox titles or Total War or whatnot. In the cellars there's kind of that mindset of elitism in both but it's not as pronounced in either. Evangelization is practically absent in both of those, tho, and I have been parts of both communities to some extent. Still take part in one involving the latter today, albeit since I became an admin at H&E almost all of my attention has shifted there. Speaking of which... PrettiBoiSlim said: Also the neckbeards who make games like Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the Gathering nearly inhospitable to outsiders get on my nerves. Yeah, that's the bad type of gatekeeping, trying to keep people from getting into something or keeping it niche. Gatekeeping is one of the few things I think the subfandom I'm a part of here has down very well, though, in terms of doing it right. To get into our Discord Server, for example, you have to be in our main club. Anybody is able to join our main club, and we even have admins who have h&e as their lowest rated genres. Outsiders are still outsiders, not a part of the tribe, but all that's really needed is the amount of acknowledgement of being a fan of these types of shows to join in and you'll be able to. Yet, it goes more than just that as a result of that sort of mentality. For example, we're working on a project right now where me and a couple of the other admins had to get into a voice call to discuss staple series for shows of this type and things like that - Deknijff brought up "hey, we need to include Infinite Stratos as a staple" - not because of it possessing a gold-standard reputation that we took note of like with other series we had been tossing out, but because it has grown into a series that you'll be encouraged to watch just to have an opinion on it because of internal divisiveness. Some people love it, some are kind of in the middle, some hate it, but it's reached a status that we agreed on similar to how a lot of people in the general fandom view, say, SAO, just within our subfandom. Then there's stuff like having a waifu and such, which can be a pretty big deal honestly, not only after you get to claim one, but to where I've had to sit and watch people run their heads into these walls for months just trying to obtain the bot currency needed for a little tag on the sever to indicate "this character is my waifu" like we have it set up. Our own definition of "SFW" is practically a holistic in-joke because the SFW channel is really just NSFW except without any explicit nudity. It goes on - helping find merch and such and keeping each other updated with other things, running events and such, etc etc. Hell, people who barely talk to each other in most cases sit there and kind of simulwatch football games together with just responses to what's going on and to each other and such, just because of that single thread of "being a fan of this type of show." That wasn't even set up by anybody, it just happened one day and people joined in. There's a very fleshed out literacy that I don't see a lot of other subfandoms on this site have, is what I'm getting at, hence why I've always kind of never been fond of the idea of inherently viewing gatekeeping as a bad thing. Ideally, it's really in the middle ground, in-between what you cited as bad examples and just not having any at all. I don't think we can do that with the entire anime fanbase at this point, tho, it'd need to be divided into subfandoms. Anime fanbase functions as a variety of subfandoms with different interests rather than one singular entity, kind of like how the First Reich was as opposed to even the federation I live in today, and there's problems where people get needlessly hostile over these differences, which often times I've been a part of, admittedly. People can be part of one, part of multiple, but extremely few can be a part of all. The way to make them healthy and develop those subfandoms is, well, through the right kind of gatekeeping. It's good to have it to some extent, honestly. Not the extent in the examples you cited, though, where growth is practically frowned upon xP Kind of saw that discussion pop up a couple of times on this board lately and it's probably a bit tangential here, I guess. It's an interesting topic to me because I do think that it's not a bad thing in of itself to be sort of exclusive. Just not exclusive enough to be an echo-chamber of same-think. |
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| Pingu in the city - noisy people who likes to talk Ouran high school host club - if they like to talk about gender kaichou wa maid sama / itazura na kiss - romance fan sket dance - if they like to see comedy obviously popular anime like one piece, naruto, bleach, fairy tail, detective conan oddball people should be into gantz, btoom, sword art online, gabriel dropout, Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor |
| I can't believe no one mentioned Monster - this anime is closer to western tv shows then other anime. No anime cliches, Modern European setting and realism. |
| It depends entirely on the person, and what kind of stuff they're already into, sci-fi, fantasy, action, mystery, etc. The easiest way to get someone to watch an anime is to give them something close to what they already like. For example tell a sci-fi fan who likes space shows to go watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Space Battleship Yamato 2199, Planetes, Starship Operators, or Cowboy Bebop. Tell a fan of Hollywood action shows to go watch Black Lagoon or Jormungand and so on for other genre/theme combinations. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| If you have no idea what they like, FMAB or FMA is probably a good choice, since it covers mature themes (appealing to people who think animation is for kids), still retains that light hearted nature throughout much of the series (not overwhelming a viewer) and is relatively low on fanservice (good for people who think all anime is hentai/ecchi). I got into anime as a whole via FMA (the manga) even though my first thing was technically the Death Note manga. If you have a better idea of what they might like, genre-specific recommendations that are more tailored for them are probably the way to go. However, I would not recommend Steins;Gate for a newbie, since it's got this weird dichotomy in between otaku/geek culture and a serious, time traveling drama. Cowboy Bebop is good for anyone, period. |
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UrbanSpaceman said: I can't believe no one mentioned Monster - this anime is closer to western tv shows then other anime. No anime cliches, Modern European setting and realism. You'd think so, and I agree, but when it aired on TV here I'm pretty sure the ratings tanked and apparently nobody bought it because they canceled the DVD release after the first set and it moved to a digital release on iTunes. I had to import the show from Australia to own it. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97" |
| Well, I think that it's important to know what kind of genre they like cause introducing them to something that they don't like will make them officially not like anime. SAO got me into anime, but they might not like that cause of the romance scenes or sword fighting. If they like full on action with no romance then something like one punch man would be great. Basically, the first anime is important, so I would ask them what kind of specific genres they like. Afterward, they can explore more options from there and enjoy anime. If SAO didn't capture my interest, I would have given up on anime a while ago. You can give them Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and they may still not like it cause there's not enough romance, art style, etc. So it's not good to just throw out random popular animes to that person, cause they have to take time out of their day to actually watch it. Sorry, but I can't recommend anime to others without knowing what kind they want specifically. |
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| @EcchiGodMamsterP "Why does it matter that there are people who aren't willing to try anime? The "don't like anime" line is in quotation marks because it's not mean to be taken literally. It more so refers to people who say they don't like or don't care for it, but haven't actually given it a try. If they're unwilling to even consider anime, that's fine, but I'm fairly open about my adoration for it, and often times people will inquire further. At times like this, it's nice to have plenty of ideas for different shows across different genres, so I can suggest one if they decide someone else less familiar would like to give it a try. " why does the perception of anime need to change?" I think the more mainstream it becomes, the easier it is to access. We're seeing that now here stateside with Netflix, Amazon, VRV/Crunchy Roll, and even some late night slots on one or two Television networks. Greater access is a good thing in my opinion; more shows can be more easily discovered and enjoyed because more distributors are going to pick them up. |
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Cavi said: Actually, this opinion might be extreme, but I think that Devilman: Crybaby is great to expose your typical Netflix watcher to anime. The fact that it's availible on said platform makes it a lot easier to pick up for most of the people who already use it. The show itself is as far as you can go from your typical anime while still being labeled as such, so it might appeal more to audiences used to western shows at the same time familiarizing them with the idea of anime. It might really sound like a stupid idea, but I know from real life examples a couple of friends who became interested in anime after I recommended Crybaby to them. I'm actually about to start this one later this week. I missed this when it debuted, but a couple people I've talked to have spoken highly of it. |
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| @PrettiBoiSlim The "don't like anime" line is in quotation marks because it's not mean to be taken literally. It more so refers to people who say they don't like or don't care for it, but haven't actually given it a try. If they're unwilling to even consider anime, that's fine, but I'm fairly open about my adoration for it, and often times people will inquire further. At times like this, it's nice to have plenty of ideas for different shows across different genres, so I can suggest one if they decide someone else less familiar would like to give it a try. i don't understand why that bothers people who cares about them? I think the more mainstream it becomes, the easier it is to access. We're seeing that now here stateside with Netflix, Amazon, VRV/Crunchy Roll, and even some late night slots on one or two Television networks. Greater access is a good thing in my opinion; more shows can be more easily discovered and enjoyed because more distributors are going to pick them up. anime is already growing and growing in popularity, the demand for it is at an all time high, hence why neflix, amazon etc are jumping on the train and its all about its unique qualities, people LOVE the fact that japan does not give a fuck... changing that perception of anime may actually kill that appeal attracting all kinds of people = attracting more sjws, pc fags and whiners fuck that |
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| One of the first things to come to mind for me was Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic it's super simple to follow and is enjoyable. Thinking about it a little and looking at my list for whatever reason Darker than Black: Kuro no Keiyakusha jumps out to me as a potential anime for people who are new/not sure what anime is fully. |
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| Depends on the person really. Just because a show is popular and many people like it doesn't mean EVERYONE will like it. Like how I got into anime because of the ecchi and cute girls shows. |
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