Gintama.: Shirogane no Tamashii-hen Episode 5 Discussion

YGP said:
About the staff and animation of the episode:


- Screenplay by Shuu Matsubara (松原秀):
Known by Osomatsu-san, Shuu comes from Gintama ° making numerous episodes for Gintama, as in Porori-hen 331-333 and 340-341, he usually does several episodes in a row, in Rakuyou he did from 324 to 328. He is very good, his work at Homeless Arc is excellent.
- Storyboard by Hirotaka Endo (遠藤広隆):
He did the storyboard for episode 323, which sounded good to me. The storyboard of this episode was also good, even with some static scenes, but it was good overall.
- Directed by Matsuo Asami (浅見 松 雄)
He did the episodes 300, 311, 321, 327, 337 .... His last two works are not very good, we have the evil 337 and the disastrous fight between Takasugi and Oboro in episode 327, I do not really like him, but he right in this episode, was very funny and with a touching end.

Animation directors:

Hitomi Tsuruta (鶴田眸) was credited as "総作画監督", he must have supervised the other ADs. He is an incredible animation director of one of the most beautiful episodes of Porori-hen, 332, plus the great 339. Other examples of his work are as animator of Gintoki vs. Jirocho.

ADs:
This week we had 5 animation directors (OMG, this is very bad).
- Satoru Shiraishi (白石悟) (Pieces of 321, 327, 337)
- Aki Kuki (九鬼 朱) (Pieces of 300, 311, 321, 327, 337)
- Reiko Nozaki (野崎麗子) (Pieces of 321, 327, 337)
- Mayumi Funakoshi (船越麻友美) (Pieces of 300, 311, 321, 327, 337)
- Taeko Ogi (扇多恵子) (Pieces of 321, 327, 337)
What can I say ? The disastrous staff of episode 337 is back!
Probably the worst animation team of Gintama, responsible for the worst episodes of the last seasons, unfortunately, they are back.
However, even though I speak ill of them, I must say that they (finally) succeeded.
The episode this week kept the basic quality of the other episodes, without horrible things like in episodes 327 and 337, I think this was thanks to Tsuruta's work in the surveillance, the weakest part were the static pictures, which were not very good, but gives to relieve.

We must remember that this episode was done by the worst staff of Gintama, and even so it went well! BNP again with a great job.


Extra: Studio Wanpack announced that it will close the doors on February 28, due to the death of its founder, Kouji Yamada. This is a studio famous for outsourcing animation and staff to various studios. This was the studio that helped in several episodes of Rakuyou (which shows that Rakuyou's animation really has many problems, since Wanpack usually works in "emergency cases"). Wanpack will leave a big gap in the industry, and will never again help Gintama's animation.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Interestingly enough, Studio Wanpack also helped with the first Gintama season and Gintama'. They're also responsible for a good chunk of the animations in the second Gintama movie. BNP didn't use Wanpack until Rakuyou, it seems like they'll never be able to get them to help for this season.

YGP said:


Having problems in large productions is normal, however, Gintama. was only 1 cour, problems from that level to only 12 episodes is really disturbing.
I hope that SS does not have this type of problem, since it is going very well.

_fraghion_ said:
not making the penis cannon fire soy sauce was an incredible missed opportunity smh

Comedy was on point but I wish the animation was as well.
Ik Gintama is not a show known for its animation nor can BNP transform into ufobudget overnight, but a small part of me wished the final arc gets consistent good animation instead of the standard rollercoaster where the lighter eps get shafted.

JizzyHitler said:
The animation definitely looked pretty derpy in places but nothing super bad and they generally did well with the more important bits.

Episode itself was hilarious, sadly i already knew about the big tonal shift done this episode from a spoiler a while back but im not entirely sure what happens after this though it seems fairly obvious, id actually be kind of pissed if they dont kill tama here and hopefully keep her dead. I worry cause shes a robot they'll just show her rebuilt in the epilogue, I'd much prefer this be a real sacrifice and maybe they will just rebuild a new robot in honor of her, which i could be remembering this wrong but wasnt tama just that too? I vaguely remember that the robot in her introduction arc actually did die and tama was a separate personality just similar. Got to say though after hearing this spoiler for what the toer does i expected both tama and kintoki to do a bit more before all this, feels kind of odd that kintoki comes back just for this and not maybe help out in the fight a bit first before all this happens but oh well. Hopefully they go all out next episode.

So far so good but yes its a bit worrying, rakyou looked like shit at alot of areas but I didnt know about all of the info he added so this really clears up a ton of why it was so bizzarely under par that cour. The thing that really took me by surprise when rewatching rakyou to give it another chance (still got loads of issues but im more forgiving of it now) was that the final episode of the season was absolutly stunning looking, there was a ton of detail, alot of fluid animation in things that didnt need to be such as water ripples when they are at the dock, and the whole utsuro flashback was just beautiful looking. I really hope if rakyou was some production shitfest of some kind and they were able to pull that episode off even if it was notably lacking any action, then we can maybe get some really great looking parts in stuff to come if they seemingly are more stable in production right now.

G_Spark233 said:
Those are some interesting t shirts LOL

Comedy is as great as ever in this episode.

I’m not ready for next weeks feels!

I love that they brought this back.

Draconix814 said:

I 100% agree, but I guess we can't expect too much. I mean, this is probably the biggest reason I was so against the idea of both seasons Gintama 2017 airing when they did because, for the final ark of Gintama, I think we would all have wanted more detailed animation with the most amount of attention, but what can I say? I'm not an animator, I'm not part of their animation staff (no doubt), so I can't really say anything, I guess just as long as it gets a boost when the series gets darker again I'll be fine.

By the way, even though we didn't get soy sauce or maple syrup shooting out, we did get bees ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@YGP Thank you again for sharing that information! :D

Since Studio Wanpack is closing soon, does that mean they aren't helping out with this current season or is that yet to be revealed?

I wouldn't be surprised if they were rushed with Rakuyou so that they can help promote the Live Action Movie back in 2017

_fraghion_ said:


I agree, obviously the staff is doing the absolute best they can with what they have, but a guy can dream.
On the subject of dreams, I hope all this budget conversion means the final battle would be choreographed along the lines of the Benizakura movie or something.
Actually I wouldn't even mind if they showed a portion of the fight offscreen and had the characters snark about it. With the nature of the show, I think the staff can get away with literally anything as long it's done well. Which is my primary expectation from this season, that it's done well.

SenpaiJay98 said:

If no TV Gintama has the same level as the Katsura and Gintoki vs Harsume MOVIE fight...then why would it all of a sudden happen now?

YGP said:
They have not participated in any episodes so far, if they participate, we will only see this in future episodes. They stopped showing their list of works in October, and in September, Gintama was on the list (Porori-hen). With that short period of time, and because we're already in Episode 5, I think Wanpack will not be in SS.

ibraheem234 said:
well the comedy aside the machines are dying...I don't feel bad for them dying...because they could be made again right

SenpaiJay98 said:
If no TV Gintama has the same level as the Katsura and Gintoki vs Harsume MOVIE fight...then why would it all of a sudden happen now?

herrickluk said:
LOOL they brought back Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon!!!!
And then straight after hit us with the feels.
How they masterfully weave together comedy and drama is beyond me.

Tama, Kinnoji, hopefully this is not goodbye :(

Ps. Does anyone know the name of the song that starts around the 19:40 mark>?!

Nobraniarcanin said:


It's an OST from Shinigami Arc (the best)
Here it goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqO5BU1TBg