| Lol claiming an era is better than another is bullshit to begin with because most of the time, people are just gonna cherry-pick the best entries in that time while simultaneously ignoring its fair share of horrible anime. |
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| When you thought that Elitist threads are gone now.... And then you go look deeper in AD... Are we done with this shitty bait thread?  |
_Ako_ said: When you thought that Elitist threads are gone now.... And then you go look deeper in AD... Are we done with this shitty bait thread? two people so far said this is a bait. what the heck is goibg on here? is everything bait to you? how is discussing and trying to end a stupid meme is a biat? did you even read the post and the replies. instead of disrespecting others and wasting thier time, how you participate in this thread. |
Tenshi_Shura said: Lol claiming an era is better than another is bullshit to begin with because most of the time, people are just gonna cherry-pick the best entries in that time while simultaneously ignoring its fair share of horrible anime. i agree with you. saying new anime is better or old anime is better is pointless. it depand in what context is given. i see a lot of people cherry picking old anime or new anime to prove other people wrong. you are right friend |
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Zoce_ said: _Ako_ said: When you thought that Elitist threads are gone now.... And then you go look deeper in AD... Are we done with this shitty bait thread? two people so far said this is a bait. what the heck is goibg on here? is everything bait to you? how is discussing and trying to end a stupid meme is a biat? did you even read the post and the replies. instead of disrespecting others and wasting thier time, how you participate in this thread. Let's see, the first one I saw was elitist thread... And then what I again saw here is that.... I dunno what do you truly want other than user infighting and producing shithole in this thread... But honestly, I don't know about the "old anime is better than new anime" statement you're making... I mean, CB isn't just encompassing "old anime" nor SAO is just encompassing "modern anime" I do lean more towards modern anime though since it's what, well where I started from... |
| What do you mean by better? Less crap? More masterpieces? Better on average? Having seen a ton of new anime and a great deal of old stuff as well (and not just cherrypicked old masterpieces either, I have watched some now mostly forgotten anime too) I do believe overall quality has gone a bit down over the years, though not by much. There's new techniques and new technology, but more often than not (like CG) they are just used as a cheap replacement to cut on work and money instead of actually using the tools to their full potential. Computer graphics and animation moved forward A LOT during the years, but at the same time it seems anime got less mainstream (in japan) and there's less money in the industry. I've watched Crusher Joe just the other day and it looks AMAZING, the character designs, the quality of animation, the attention to detail is something you will rarely find in new anime. That is not to say old anime looks better, but with all the tools at disposal newer stuff could look amazing, yet most of the time it doesn't. One thing definitely improved, that is the sound and voice acting, and that is true for pretty much all new anime, so there's that. As for less technical stuff, there has always been talent and great ideas, just like there has always been a lot of copypasting and uninspired crap. One might go around and cry about tons of isekai, magic school harems or stuff like that, but it's not like old anime is all diverse either, there has been ton of overused ideas, mostly in sci-fi. One thing that changed much is that there is a lot less of original anime which I believe to be the best of the kind. It's almost all adaptations, and in the advertisement-bait-read-source way too, which I personally consider to be a huge detriment. If you're going to have a plot, show it all, otherwise it's just annoying and you're never satisfied. I'd agree that the statement is incorrect, and in fact most of my favourites are relatively new, but older anime isn't as disappointing and annoying. I wish there were more people willing to experiment and put a lot of work, but with studios going bankrupt and shit, it's no wonder it might be better to stick to advertising LNs :( |
ImaishiDec 30, 2017 12:02 AM
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| it's so-so depending on your tastes older anime had a bigger pressure to perform in the crowd but as in these days waifus ad husbandos are gods, weebs will buy anything that has a face of their waifu on it |
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hyouge mono already surpassed . it has better cast. less stupid issues. |
HussDec 31, 2017 2:07 AM
| Old anime? New anime? You plebs, I'm watching anime from the year 2100 and it far surpasses anything coming out now. Not just the animation, but the story and character are much more detailed and mature. My favourite are the ones set in the Event of 2020. |
| modern anime has better animation than old anime is also incorrect |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Old anime IS better than new anime, there are plenty of factors to cover that too. *There was innovation, creativity, they weren't milking the same damn genres over and over again (aside from mecha of course). *As Miyazaki said, people back then were influenced by real life which in turn led to the creation of more believable and relatable characters (but still exaggerated to a degree to convey emotion better), most authors nowadays are influenced by other manga and anime so their characters and stories often come off as an exaggeration of an exaggeration and are way too silly to make you feel sympathy or whatever they're trying to make you feel, literally, only cuteness is what benefited from such over exaggeration. *Most mangakas and writers in recent times have bandwagoned the deconstruction train, the creativity that it took the people back then to put these genres on the map are now used as a gimmick to feign uniqueness and originality just because ''it's a deconstruction, it's the same genre, but turns it on it's head, such masterpiece.'' I get that people may enjoy new anime and that's completely fine. They may think newer anime are better than old anime individually, but anime as a medium has considerably suffered in the creative aspect with newer anime, and there's no denying that. OVA's aren't something a studio can use to go all out on a project or a concept nowadays, they're glorified special episodes and nothing more. ONA's are also restricted by the same rules that TV anime are, they're not the successors of OVAs, they're just low-budget anime that the studio couldn't afford to air on TV because it may not yield any results. It's funny how ignorant some modern anime fans are, preferring the old doesn't make anyone an elitist.It's exactly because you scoff at them that make you an elitist. They can like whatever they want. |
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Pullman said: modern anime has better animation than old anime is also incorrect yup . the same argument i layed down could be applied to this statement too. unless you give context to that statemnet, it can be true. like new anime is better from animation stand point, specifically key animation and directing of animation. |
| There are less bad old anime than there are bad new anime because now there are more anime being made each season. The bad/total ratio probably didn't change. |
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Orhunaa said: There are less bad old anime than there are bad new anime because now there are more anime being made each season. The bad/total ratio probably didn't change. that is what i said. what is your point? i don't understand |
Zoce_ said: Pullman said: modern anime has better animation than old anime is also incorrect yup . the same argument i layed down could be applied to this statement too. unless you give context to that statemnet, it can be true. like new anime is better from animation stand point, specifically key animation and directing of animation. did you just agree just to then disagree and say new anime is better from an animation standpoint? I'm confused. You can compare individual shows, but there are a ton of old anime that have better key animation and animation direction than a ton of more recent anime. Some of the best animated ones of all time, are from the 80s and 90s. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Technically, if there are more anime being made now than there were in say 90's, it's bound to have more bad stuff coming out. Instead of 4 bad 6 good show now we have 16 bad 24 good shows (The numbers are arbitrary btw). |
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Orhunaa said: Technically, if there are more anime being made now than there were in say 90's, it's bound to have more bad stuff coming out. Instead of 4 bad 6 good show now we have 16 bad 24 good shows (The numbers are arbitrary btw). you just rephrased what you said in your first replay and added an example. again what is the point? |
Zoce_ said: Orhunaa said: Technically, if there are more anime being made now than there were in say 90's, it's bound to have more bad stuff coming out. Instead of 4 bad 6 good show now we have 16 bad 24 good shows (The numbers are arbitrary btw). you just rephrased what you said in your first replay and added an example. again what is the point? I think his point is that the quality of modern anime has dropped since the quantity has increased in comparison to older anime. |
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Zoce_ said: you just rephrased what you said is your first replay and added an example. again what is the point? Oops, my bad. I misread the title and thought you're claiming that old anime is better than new anime. I'm blind... |
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Orhunaa said: Zoce_ said: you just rephrased what you said is your first replay and added an example. again what is the point? Oops, my bad. I misread the title and thought you're claiming that old anime is better than new anime. I'm blind... haha that is ok bro. we all been blind once or twice |
Darek said: Most of the people who say old anime is worse, are just plebs who don't get the difference between animation and art and also want eye candy. Most people who say old anime is better, usually have only seen a handful of older anime while watching every shitty seasonal that comes out. Personally, both sides piss me off. Hey, I have seen well over 100 series before the year 2000 and don't get me started on how my fave years are 87, 88, 95, and 2000-2004 (with everything sinking into omg I might hate anime after that.) I notice a major dip when we get into the bluray era for myself first continuous dip into everything being around 5 starts in 2005. And it is really no mystery... just computer animation was taking over and by 2006 we were in the bluray era. Things definitely look and feel differently from old anime to modern. Like, if you preferred the old moe style, where exactly can you even get that now? I got into anime with Inuyasha and Sailor Moon, liking the old moe style is reasonable. Maybe that is why I like Parasyte and Yuri on Ice sooooo much. They feel like older anime in how they are styled. But even so, I really like old antiquated artstyles you are right on that. To me good character design is like... Devilman or Evangelion. It is just so iconic looking. Same with Death Note actually for something that came a bit later... As much as Inuyasha had same face issues just like modern moe, well... at least it was the kind of moe with very long hair on cute bishies and some nice romantic drama with other shit going on. Stuff happening in a moe anime... kinda miss it... like Gunbuster. I just like every character to look very distictive. And not for me to go "the red haired one.", "The blue haired one...." "which blue haired one?" "damn why are their two purple hairs... now I am going to have to say chick with long purple hair...." |
Energetic-NovaDec 31, 2017 5:42 AM
The anime community in a nutshell.  |
| Everybody, take a look at OP's mean score. You're being trolled. |
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Imaishi said: What do you mean by better? Less crap? More masterpieces? Better on average? Having seen a ton of new anime and a great deal of old stuff as well (and not just cherrypicked old masterpieces either, I have watched some now mostly forgotten anime too) I do believe overall quality has gone a bit down over the years, though not by much. There's new techniques and new technology, but more often than not (like CG) they are just used as a cheap replacement to cut on work and money instead of actually using the tools to their full potential. Computer graphics and animation moved forward A LOT during the years, but at the same time it seems anime got less mainstream (in japan) and there's less money in the industry. I've watched Crusher Joe just the other day and it looks AMAZING, the character designs, the quality of animation, the attention to detail is something you will rarely find in new anime. That is not to say old anime looks better, but with all the tools at disposal newer stuff could look amazing, yet most of the time it doesn't. One thing definitely improved, that is the sound and voice acting, and that is true for pretty much all new anime, so there's that. As for less technical stuff, there has always been talent and great ideas, just like there has always been a lot of copypasting and uninspired crap. One might go around and cry about tons of isekai, magic school harems or stuff like that, but it's not like old anime is all diverse either, there has been ton of overused ideas, mostly in sci-fi. One thing that changed much is that there is a lot less of original anime which I believe to be the best of the kind. It's almost all adaptations, and in the advertisement-bait-read-source way too, which I personally consider to be a huge detriment. If you're going to have a plot, show it all, otherwise it's just annoying and you're never satisfied. I'd agree that the statement is incorrect, and in fact most of my favourites are relatively new, but older anime isn't as disappointing and annoying. I wish there were more people willing to experiment and put a lot of work, but with studios going bankrupt and shit, it's no wonder it might be better to stick to advertising LNs :( I like very old stuff for being more experimental too. late 80s and early 00's anime feel like they have this quality more than other years. And yeah, being a scifi and drama fan, of course I prefer older anime. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| It's funny to see how the people are complaining about which anime is better when that depend of TASTES, some people in this thread looks like kids. Stop worsening this community more than what is already, and yes, you guessed, big part of this goes to the elitists whose are saying that none anime can be better than LOGH. |
Alberrti said: It's funny to see how the people are complaining about which anime is better when that depend of TASTES, some people in this thread looks like kids. Stop worsening this community more than what is already, and yes, you guessed, big part of this goes to the elitists whose are saying that none anime can be better than LOGH. thats because these people didnt watch the better show. hyouge mono. |
| Some people think that old anime are good and some don't. Personally, I love both and I enjoy both. |
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| It's true the remake of Mahoujin guru guru is better than the old one. |
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| "modern this, modern that" "everything new is shit" "the past was better" "it didn't used to be like this" STFU its bullshit.. anime is pretty much the same thing now and no era is the best |
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boybandz said: OP why do you think your opinion even matters? You haven't even watched 100 anime you actually know nothing about the medium. if you actually read my post you wouldnt post this reply. so many godamn people dont read the post in this theard holy shit. do you guys hate reading? |
| It's not "incorrect." It's not "correct," either. |
  Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
| I wouldn't say old anime is better than new anime, nor would I say new anime is better than old anime. I mean both 'eras', you could say, gave birth to great ideas and put those ideas into animation. It doesn't mean either old or new anime is better overall than the other, both have their pros and cons. |
Zoce_ said: do you guys hate reading? Easy to know, check their anime list and see the proportion of non-dubbed anime they watch. |
maluhia said: It's not "incorrect." It's not "correct," either. you...wat? u make no sense incorrect is the same as sayong not correct learn ur engrish |
Zoce_ said: Can you at least spell check yourself before saying that with a straight face.maluhia said: It's not "incorrect." It's not "correct," either. you...wat? u make no sense incorrect is the same as sayong not correct learn ur engrish |
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Zoce_ said: maluhia said: It's not "incorrect." It's not "correct," either. you...wat? u make no sense incorrect is the same as sayong not correct learn ur engrish Lol, maybe you should learn your English. You know there's something called a double negative, right? "Not incorrect" is a double negative, which means it's the same thing as saying correct. "Not correct" = incorrect. |
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maluhia said: Lol, maybe you should learn your English. You know there's something called a double negative, right? "Not incorrect" is a double negative, which means it's the same thing as saying correct. "Not correct" = incorrect. but thats what i ak saying? i exactly said incorrect is the same as not corrcet. where is the double negative in what i said? |
Zoce_ said: maluhia said: Lol, maybe you should learn your English. You know there's something called a double negative, right? "Not incorrect" is a double negative, which means it's the same thing as saying correct. "Not correct" = incorrect. but thats what i ak saying? i exactly said incorrect is the same as not corrcet. where is the double negative in what i said? Yes, but what I said was "not incorrect." It's essentially the same thing as saying "not not correct," which is "correct." I don't understand what you're saying. |
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| I saw this discussion again, and again, and again... Seriously, old anime are not better than new anime. You think like that because nowadays there are much more anime being produced than 20 years ago, so much more bad anime produced, but also more good anime being produced. Some good shows get behind the radar, because there are to much nowadays. |
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well i dont understand what u said the first time u opened this |
Translation: You're not wrong, but you aren't right, either. |
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Maellirn said: AdrianRubinsky said: Give us an example of 2000s-2010s series that surpass the best of the 80s and 90s. Without evidence, you are guilty for blasphemy. Pretty much every acclaimed series on this sites came after 2005 onwards. Theres is a few exceptions like Cowboy bebop and LOGH The scores of older anime on this site have a general unspoken rule of "max is 9". Obviously logh breaks it, but it (tries to) explain why older anime usually have pretty low scores, with the exception of a handful (versailles, etc). Regardless, it's no secret that most older anime hover between the 6-8 mark, which is fine but we have to consider the fact that the people who lived through these series in their childhood and would've rated it an 8+ probably don't even know how to internet. For example, the movie Sennan Joou has a score of 6.97 out of 10, but is 6.97 out of 9 with this rule. (6.97/9) x100 gives the anime a modest score of 7.74. It's a wonky method and clearly can be manipulated like any other formula (and probably started out as some joke by the mal forumfathers) but the point is that older anime have lower scores on average so saying that "pretty much every acclaimed series on this site came after 2005..." can be horribly skewed |
RedPlatyDec 31, 2017 4:10 PM
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RedPlaty said: Maellirn said: Pretty much every acclaimed series on this sites came after 2005 onwards. Theres is a few exceptions like Cowboy bebop and LOGH The scores of older anime on this site have a general unspoken rule of "max is 9". Obviously logh breaks it, but it (tries to) explain why older anime usually have pretty low scores, with the exception of a handful (versailles, etc). Regardless, it's no secret that most older anime hover between the 6-8 mark, which is fine but we have to consider the fact that the people who lived through these series in their childhood and would've rated it an 8+ probably don't even know how to internet. For example, the movie Sennan Joou has a score of 6.97 out of 10, but is 6.97 out of 9 with this rule. (6.97/9) x100= gives the anime a modest score of 7.74. It's a wonky method and clearly can be manipulated like any other formula (and probably started out as some joke by the mal forumfathers) but the point is that older anime have lower scores on average so saying that "pretty much every acclaimed series on this site came after 2005..." can be horribly skewed I agree with what you said especially since 2005 is the year my scores dip to 5 zone. I got into anime even before I was 10 (year 2000) But I would say the year 2000 is when I called myself an anime fan for the first time. And when you LIVED Inuyasha, Naruto, Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Hakusho, Evangelion remaining the most popular anime from 1995-2006.... yeah... XD And since only more critical fans would watch a TON of classic anime and most of the times people who only watch new anime can't handle resolution and artstyle issues... they will pretty much always be marked down those first two points right away. |
Energetic-NovaDec 31, 2017 3:54 PM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| @Zoce_ Don't call your life as childhood if it's just 8 years ago. (and below) You know nothing about 80's and 90s anime when you can't compare it to anything those times! It's just too stupid compare the old anime to a new one, because it's not their fault that the technology and medium wasn't like today! |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
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