Maneki-Mew said: Ironically enough it can be any Ghibli movie other than Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke. After all, elitists like good obscure anime and all of Ghibli movies are great and the ones that aren't Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke are obscure.zombie_pegasus said:  Have these as your favourites. If you watch any and don't consider them to be top 10 worthy then you're just an ordinary pleb, but you can still pretend they're your favourites if it makes you feel better about yourself. I saw this meme very often and never understood the reason for the choice of the Ghibli movie? Besides that's one of the two or three Ghiblis left, which I haven't seen yet. ^^" Why not Chihiro, Mononoke Hime, Nausicaä or at least Laputa? Because it's not that well-known in comparison to these others (well, I think so)? |
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I was scrolling through the posts and getting kind of disappointed and then I finally found it! Thank you so much! I have been trying to be an elitist but no one even cares. I mean I have been in MAL for over 10 years now. If I don't become an elitist who will? I also realized it's probably because my mean score is higher than global mean so that no one bothers. I am gonna go re-rate my ratings and gonna watch the list of anime mentioned here, most of which I haven't seen yet to complete my top 10. Honestly, this has been a really helpful thread. Thank you everyone for your feedback. |
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Klad said: Since when is Ashita no Joe associated with elitism? Since is one of the best animes and the people who are called casuals by elitists don't value it or directly they don't watch it. |
| I'd say the only way is to have a bit of a superiority complex and an arrogant attitude especially towards people you disagree with. Just by looking at these replies you can tell that elitist is just another buzzword at this point, might as well label anyone who likes an anime that isn't entry-level as an elitist, it doesn't mean much. |
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| Why do you wanna be an elitist? come to our side, we have boobs, asses, panty shots, foul mouthed teens, unresolved love triangles, best girl and gore. Just watch anything you want. |
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| judge someone based purely on their fav's ... sort of like your doing right now you clueless derp. |
Darek said: Nailed it.Step 1: Copy those onto your favorites. Aria The Origination Sennen Joyuu Ping Pong The Animation Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Ergo Proxy Ashita no Joe Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei Serial Experiments Lain Neon Genesis Evangelion Texhnolyze Step 2: Lower your mean score below 5 and make up a shitty excuse for it, like: "I am the one who is using the scale correctly" Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit. Also, drop every show if it doesn't "catch your attention" by the third episode. Outside of that list, just act as hipster as possible. If nobody has heard of it, it's your favourite anime. If your waifu becomes popular, divorce her. |
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| It only depicts by watching "SHINY" ones.. cuz it makes you a complete autistic peasant which seems kinda amusing.. |
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lol you beat me to it. Out of every elitist I've ever encountered they always had Legend of the Galactic Heroes as #1. It's like the symbol for elitist now. I don't doubt that it's good though just funny how its become a meme of elitist now xD. |
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| I'm assuming to be an elitist in the anime community, one has to like any lesser known anime with "deep and complex plots" while hating any show that is popular and beloved by the masses, specifically shows like SnK, SAO, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, etc. |
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| probably relevant: Don't be a Matthew. Or do. Actually, you wanted to be like Matthew, so go for it. |
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| acting superrior, that's all elitism about... |
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| read some Carl Jung on archetypes and deconstruct everything lol, if Carl Jung made an anime, it would make Abe trilogy and Mamoru Oshii stuff look like kiddy shounen stuff. |
| Oh, this thread again. If you want to be a true elitist, hate all the popular shows like SAO and Attack on Titan, only watch 'intellectual' shows, and over-analyze every little thing. The Legend of the Galactic Heroes thing has basically devolved into a meme at this point, so true elitists probably don't even like it anymore. |
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Gohdhand said: Oh, this thread again. If you want to be a true elitist, hate all the popular shows like SAO and Attack on Titan, only watch 'intellectual' shows, and over-analyze every little thing. The Legend of the Galactic Heroes thing has basically devolved into a meme at this point, so true elitists probably don't even like it anymore. So basically, being passionate about the medium makes you elitist? I mean, you could just call them annoying people... like the people who ask for recs but haven't updated their list. Or ask for recs and don't take your suggestions because the anime looks "childish". I mean usually these people are just teenagers and want to be "real adults" by watching "mature" anime. I don't think being able to tell a Gainax Bounce from any other bounce makes you elitist... just makes you a fan with eyes. Maybe wasting other's time as if entitled to an anime that fits your standards in the rec forum. :/ But I just call them annoying. |
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Energetic-Nova said: So basically, being passionate about the medium makes you elitist? ... No. Not sure how you got that from my post, unless you're referring to the "over-analyze" part. If so, then what I was talking about was when people analyze every little thing in an anime and pretend like it has some sort of deep meaning behind it. That's not really the same thing as being passionate, because someone can be passionate about a show yet not care at all for the 'hidden' or 'deep' meanings behind it. |
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Gohdhand said: Energetic-Nova said: So basically, being passionate about the medium makes you elitist? ... No. Not sure how you got that from my post, unless you're referring to the "over-analyze" part. If so, then what I was talking about was when people analyze every little thing in an anime and pretend like it has some sort of deep meaning behind it. That's not really the same thing as being passionate, because someone can be passionate about a show yet not care at all for the 'hidden' or 'deep' meanings behind it. Rewatching a show a lot, feeling there is meaning in what you watch, is elite? *Yugioh fans love fan theories just as much as Evangelion fans* Are ship wars elitist? |
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Energetic-Nova said: Rewatching a show a lot, feeling there is meaning in what you watch, is elite? *Yugioh fans love fan theories just as much as Evangelion fans* Fan theories =/= overanalyzing You're still not understanding what I'm saying, and I don't know how you figured that I was talking about fan theories or rewatchers. I am talking about people who try and find meaning where there is none or over-criticize things in order to make themselves appear smart. Fan theories are made by people who just enjoy the show and just want to discuss the show further. The intent isn't the same. Are ship wars elitist? No, they're just weird. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Maneki-Mew said: Ironically enough it can be any Ghibli movie other than Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke. After all, elitists like good obscure anime and all of Ghibli movies are great and the ones that aren't Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke are obscure.I saw this meme very often and never understood the reason for the choice of the Ghibli movie? Besides that's one of the two or three Ghiblis left, which I haven't seen yet. ^^" Why not Chihiro, Mononoke Hime, Nausicaä or at least Laputa? Because it's not that well-known in comparison to these others (well, I think so)? Well, I see and this and the Yamada-thing also look like the most obscures there. Gohdhand said: Energetic-Nova said: So basically, being passionate about the medium makes you elitist? ... No. Not sure how you got that from my post, unless you're referring to the "over-analyze" part. If so, then what I was talking about was when people analyze every little thing in an anime and pretend like it has some sort of deep meaning behind it. That's not really the same thing as being passionate, because someone can be passionate about a show yet not care at all for the 'hidden' or 'deep' meanings behind it. But what's wrong or an elitist-behavior about that? People are passionated in different ways and this way is ofc something different than creating fan theories. It's just fun for me to over-analyze everything and pretend a deeper meaning behind it, if I really like an anime or manga. It's just fun to do, to discuss them and reading "deep-meaning" analysis of others about characters and scenes etc... ^^" At least, I don't say that everyone must do it or that my thoughts must be 100 % "right", aka: "The author intended that thing for sure." It doesn't matter to me that much. It's art and you don't know the author, so you can't ask him. If you interpret a meaning behind a scene for yourself, you can't be wrong about it. |
Maneki-Mew said: But... but Ergo Proxy was really awesome and I also liked Neon Genesis Evangelion very much. Pls, don't leave the elitist-mark on me. :( I also won't say that mainstream shows and especially Shounen were shit. Oh and also an important thing: - Say about every popular show that it's dull and generic without ever explaining your point properly. It just is, because you say so. zombie_pegasus said: Have these as your favourites. If you watch any and don't consider them to be top 10 worthy then you're just an ordinary pleb, but you can still pretend they're your favourites if it makes you feel better about yourself. I saw this meme very often and never understood the reason for the choice of the Ghibli movie? Besides that's one of the two or three Ghiblis left, which I haven't seen yet. ^^" Why not Chihiro, Mononoke Hime, Nausicaä or at least Laputa? Because it's not that well-known in comparison to these others (well, I think so)? I think this 3x3 is a reference to the Digibro "most boring taste in anime" thing which mentions Porco Rosso and pretty much every other anime in here (except Utena, though he does say "you need a show from the late 90s that's highly acclaimed"). |
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Maneki-Mew said: But what's wrong or an elitist-behavior about that? People are passionated in different ways and this way is ofc something different than creating fan theories. It's just fun for me to over-analyze everything and pretend a deeper meaning behind it, if I really like an anime or manga. It's just fun to do, to discuss them and reading "deep-meaning" analysis of others about characters and scenes etc... ^^" At least, I don't say that everyone must do it or that my thoughts must be 100 % "right", aka: "The author intended that thing for sure." It doesn't matter to me that much. It's art and you don't know the author, so you can't ask him. If you interpret a meaning behind a scene for yourself, you can't be wrong about it. There's nothing really wrong with what you're doing if I understand you correctly. Like I said in my post, I was talking about people who over-analyze in an attempt to show off that they are somehow smarter than everyone or that the author is some sort of genius that only true elitists can understand. |
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Gohdhand said: Maneki-Mew said: But what's wrong or an elitist-behavior about that? People are passionated in different ways and this way is ofc something different than creating fan theories. It's just fun for me to over-analyze everything and pretend a deeper meaning behind it, if I really like an anime or manga. It's just fun to do, to discuss them and reading "deep-meaning" analysis of others about characters and scenes etc... ^^" At least, I don't say that everyone must do it or that my thoughts must be 100 % "right", aka: "The author intended that thing for sure." It doesn't matter to me that much. It's art and you don't know the author, so you can't ask him. If you interpret a meaning behind a scene for yourself, you can't be wrong about it. There's nothing really wrong with what you're doing if I understand you correctly. Like I said in my post, I was talking about people who over-analyze in an attempt to show off that they are somehow smarter than everyone or that the author is some sort of genius that only true elitists can understand. Over-analyzing is subjective tho, what might be 'too much' for you can come natural to another person so you can't just apply your standards and call everyone who's more into criticism an elitist. It's a whole different approach to watching stuff and a lot of people are having a lot of fun with it, there's nothing elitist about that. And implying people do it just to show off that they are smart is 100% just your presumption/prejudice, I don't see how you can know their intentions. You can only assume and tbh you sound like one of those people who'd generally assume all the worst things about anyone who enjoys analyzing and criticism unless they spend time and energy convincing you that they are different like the guy you quoted. Guilty until proven innocent, like it is with most people who think 'elitism' is more than just a meme. They see certain favorites, or some analytical and critical comment about anything and automatically start jumping to the conclusion that it must be some elitist prick most likely. That, to me, is the real problem with the elitism meme. People just get negatively biased against the sheer idea of criticism and analysis and automatically assume that everyone who likes to do these things is just some pretentious prick trying to show off. Anti-intellectualism at its finest, and for no real reason at all except that once upon a time someone who liked criticism was being a prick about it and now everyone else is assumed to be like them. More and more things that are inherently unrelated to elitism, like dozens of specific shows or the act of analyzing and criticizing something get tainted by the random association with this meme and it hurts the integrity of the whole anime community to see every second person out there have this extremely negative opinions of people who actually like to apply their brain to what they watch (at least from time to time). No other medium has such negative opinions of the people who care enough to spend a lot of time and effort thinking about, analyzing, criticizing and interpreting its works in an attempt to gain a better understanding of them and the medium itself. Just one of the various ways in which the anime fandom is self-deprecating, I guess. Because obviously anime is so cheap and shitty that anyone trying to spend more than one brain cell on it must be pretentious because no anime could ever be intelligent enough to require brain activity. If it isn't super easy to follow and spells everything out beyond interpretation, the anime is just being pretentious as well. Or something like that. Idk how these people think and I'm not saying you're like that, just that you're halfway there based on how seriously you seem to take the elitism meme and how you by default seem to assume the most negative motivations for people who like criticism and analysis. |
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Pullman said: and I'm not saying you're like that, just that you're halfway there based on how seriously you seem to take the elitism meme and how you by default seem to assume the most negative motivations for people who like criticism and analysis. Lol, what? I think you're the one making assumptions here, not me. First of all, I really don't give a shit if you're an elitist or not. Elitism has never bothered me, but I also have no problem with pointing out the ridiculousness of elitism. I don't know how that makes me seem like I take elitism "seriously." It's not like I'm out here prowling MAL forums for elitists and trying to take them down. I also don't just assume the "most negative motivations," and I once again don't know how you got that from my posts. You're making the assumption that I hate intellectualism in anime, which is completely false, and I don't remember ever stating or even hinting that I did. I also never said that I automatically assume that everyone writing long criticisms or analyses is an elitist. What I did say, however, was that those people who overanalyze and criticize and then try to show that they are smarter than everyone else are elitists. I guess you didn't understand what I meant by that, so I will try and give a sort of example. For instance, if someone were to write an essay on the flaws of Sword Art Online and then insult people for liking the show despite all these flaws, I would consider him an elitist. This is because this person considers himself smarter and above those who like the show, even though he is ignoring the fact that most people who like the show probably already know about all those flaws and like it anyway. That is what I am talking about. I never just assume at first glance that someone over-analyzing is an elitist, and I don't remember ever saying that I did this. I do clearly remember talking about a person's intent, though, and that is the essential point. If someone uses criticism or overanalysis in order to then make a point about his or her superiority over the masses, then I consider him or her an elitist. |
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Gohdhand said: Pullman said: and I'm not saying you're like that, just that you're halfway there based on how seriously you seem to take the elitism meme and how you by default seem to assume the most negative motivations for people who like criticism and analysis. Lol, what? I think you're the one making assumptions here, not me. First of all, I really don't give a shit if you're an elitist or not. Elitism has never bothered me, but I also have no problem with pointing out the ridiculousness of elitism. I don't know how that makes me seem like I take elitism "seriously." It's not like I'm out here prowling MAL forums for elitists and trying to take them down. I also don't just assume the "most negative motivations," and I once again don't know how you got that from my posts. You're making the assumption that I hate intellectualism in anime, which is completely false, and I don't remember ever stating or even hinting that I did. I also never said that I automatically assume that everyone writing long criticisms or analyses is an elitist. What I did say, however, was that those people who overanalyze and criticize and then try to show that they are smarter than everyone else are elitists. I guess you didn't understand what I meant by that, so I will try and give a sort of example. For instance, if someone were to write an essay on the flaws of Sword Art Online and then insult people for liking the show despite all these flaws, I would consider him an elitist. This is because this person considers himself smarter and above those who like the show, even though he is ignoring the fact that most people who like the show probably already know about all those flaws and like it anyway. That is what I am talking about. I never just assume at first glance that someone over-analyzing is an elitist, and I don't remember ever saying that I did this. I do clearly remember talking about a person's intent, though, and that is the essential point. If someone uses criticism or overanalysis in order to then make a point about his or her superiority over the masses, then I consider him or her an elitist. My point is that those people who actually criticize stuff just to feel smarter and shove their superiority into others faces barely exist and 9 out of 10 times it's just people (like you) assuming they do it just to seem smart when in reality they just do it because they enjoy it or it comes natural to them. So whenever people write posts that make it seem like that kind of elitism was a common phenomenon that is worth addressing I have to wonder how often they actually encountered people like that and how often they just think they encountered people like that. I've just seen too many cases of people calling others elitists for no real reason except disagreeing with them or seeing certain favorites to not assume anyone who seriously uses the term (and not just as a meme, which is what I meant by 'taking it seriously') doesn't misuse it most of the time. Literally 90-95% of the time I see people call others elitists in the anime community it is completely unwarranted, so sorry if I'm not gonna expect you to be the big exception especially since your definition seems to go along with some of the other wrong and inflated definitions I've seen. Usually either people use it wrongly most of the time, or they know it's just a meme and don't use it seriously at all. You seem to think it's real but if I wrongfully assumed then I'm sorry, but based on what you're saying I don't think that's the case and here's why: In your example the essay has nothing to do with anything. They guy is a prick for insulting people based on their taste and an elitist if he feels superior to them because of that, period. Whether he writes an essay or not is irrelevant for him being an 'elitist' or just a general asshole and I don't see the point of being so focused on that criticism part unless you kinda wanna shit on the concept of criticism in itself by associating it with arrogance, pretending to be smart and insulting people. Which is what you're doing to some degree even if you're not aware of it. Criticism doesn't even have anything to do with elitism. I regularly see very simple-minded people glorifying their favorite casual shows like SAO in very elitist manners that disregard all criticism, call anyone who disagrees with their love for it just a hater unworthy of getting replies to their arguments and insult people who dislike it. Neither which show you are liking nor whether you like to criticize and analyze have anything to do with being 'elitist'. I just hate those false associations and that anti-intellectualism that implicitly assumes only critical-minded people can be elitist pricks. The more those prejudices spread the more people will be afraid of being critical and analytical because they don't want to be associated with the elitism meme and that's just not a trend I can condone. If you're gonna judge a person do it for their shitty behaviour (the insulting and feeling superior), not for the method they use to justify their shitty behaviour. That's really all I want. I just want to get rid of the wrongful association of critical thinking and elitist arrogance. To be fair your definition is not as bad as other since it includes motivation/attitude in your definition rather than focusing on which shows they like, like so many others do. But for some reason you still insist on including critical essays/'over'-analyzing in your definition even tho it's just one arbitrary method among many that, while not inherently elitist, can be used by people to feel superior to others. But I also see many people feel suprior for NOT being critical at all, deluding themselves that they are having so much more fun than critical people and that therefore only their braindead method of watching anime is the correct way of doing it while looking down on anyone else who's 'doing it wrong'. Just look at all the threads that shit on and insult people with lower mean scores. Full of elitists thinking they are superior for having higher scores and needing to express that so everyone knows how superior they are. And I guarantee you none of those people write critical essays. If you think the act of criticizing is stupid you can feel more intelligent for using your brain less. Elitism is that easy, you don't need to put in the work of writing an actual essay to justify your superiority complex if you're really elitist. You can always find a reason to feel superior to others, critical-minded or not. Writing a critical essay is a lot of work so no matter what it is used for it's something that I can respect because effort was put into it. Sure, it doesn't excuse being a prick about it, but it is also not responsible (or required) for being one. It's a completely seperate issue. Elitism can come in pretty much any shape or form so I really do find that forcefully including something referring to critical thinking in your definition of it just shows a deep-seated prejudice against critical thinking, not necessarily in you personally but in the community as a whole and you by extension. I'm not singling you out here, this is a community-wide issue and I imagine for new fans joining the anime community on the internet it is hard to avoid passively taking in this anti-intellectual attitude because so many people are constantly having these associations of being an elitist prick and being a critical-minded person. But it's one of my pet peeves so I'll always try and correct people who have too one-sided definitions of elitism. I've seen the meme do too much damage to the community over the last ~8 years to not care. |
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