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Jul 13, 2015 1:10 AM

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elfuun said:
Karl saying he loves Lain was really creepy, even for this show's standards. On the other hand, Lain's fake dad saying she loved her, was sweet.

So now it is Lain vs. Eiri? Also, RIP in pieces, knights.


I took Karl's statement as less a romantic love as maybe the love of a person for a divine entity - a sort of undying loyalty that because difficult to express when you're seeing the Divine, face to face, and the Divine comes across as being so amazingly vulnerable and, well, human.
Jul 15, 2015 3:09 PM

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Aw man, I feel bad for Lain.
Aug 8, 2015 11:05 AM

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Ok, so the Lain we met in the beginning wasn't real but a homunculus of the real Lain of the Wired who was created by this God guy who was human and transferred his consciousness into the Wired and officially died in the real world... And her family wasn't her real family, just placed there to pose as her family, by who? The Knights or the men in black?

The pieces are falling together, finally, but it's still an extremely weird anime... And why the heck does "peeping tom" Karl love Lain? Where is the justification is that?? That's just messed up. ★3/5
Aug 8, 2015 10:59 PM

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Everybody's saying "Ooooh things are starting to make sense" but I'm still like "...huh?"

I'm dumb I know.
Aug 12, 2015 12:46 AM

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I feel bad for her sister.
Okay, so the pieces of the puzzle are finally falling into places. I can't wait to get all my questions answered. I'm loving this, totally.
And everyone's suddenly a pedophile -_-"
What do they get in a flat-chested kid, man? >_<
But I definitely love Lain as a character. She's outstanding, and unimaginably awesome.
And yeah, Lain is not a real person, then.
I wonder how the world would seem if I were her, with everything just crashing down on me. If every goddamn thing I believed were a lie, I'd just kill myself outta despair.
Thank God, I'm as real as I ever can be.
Can't wait to get this over with. Loving this waaaay too much <3
Dec 28, 2015 4:38 PM

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I just want to give Lain a hug. :c
Jan 15, 2016 4:44 AM

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Although Eiri's physical body no longer exists, his mind is alive in the Wired and he's a self-proclaimed god there. The Knights worship him and the organization which Karl works for is after all the Knights hence the dead CEO who was ogling his secretary, dead mommy, dead obese otaku, etc. Lain in the Wired is the real Lain and may have been patterned off the Lain in the real world, perhaps only her appearance was copied and Lain in the real world is a totally different person with the same face? The previous episode about Roswell and aliens makes sense now.
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Jan 22, 2016 7:31 AM

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Confusing episode , its weird how those kids are very mature lol .
Jan 22, 2016 8:50 PM

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blah blah...predictable

2/5
Sayonara,papa!


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Mar 1, 2016 10:52 AM

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Why is everybody after that Lain booty? not that i blame any of them

That revelation...So the Wired Lain is the real one, while the other one isn't.
May 24, 2016 9:20 AM

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Why are they using the definition of god in this. Is it referring to the fact, that people can be manipulated and influenced through information ? Well I am still feeling like

Jul 30, 2016 10:23 AM

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Did that Illuminati nigga just say "I Love You" to a 12 year old? 10/10 for pedophilia.
Aug 2, 2016 7:19 PM
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I understand a little more but eh just gonna finish it then rewatch it
May 10, 2017 6:45 PM

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shes an artificial inteligence? who is this god guy? why everyone is pedophilying lain?
Aug 30, 2017 12:42 PM
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Don't fuck with Lain, or she'll dox you
Dec 12, 2017 6:07 AM

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So if the men in black don't know what Lain is, and Lain was "created" by Masami, why did the man in black create a family for Lain? If men in black and Masami are like enemies, how is all this supposed to work?
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Apr 11, 2018 7:53 PM
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So you mean to say they've taken what we thought we think and make us think we thought our thoughts we've been thinking our thoughts we think we thought? I think… -Patrick star
Okno :v.

This is a little late, but I did not see that anyone has put it ...
Someone noticed that always the anime (After the opening, and before the title of the episode) starts with the same scenes as always, from the first episode until now ?.

I thought I should tell them, since in chapter 11 it will not be the same.





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Apr 23, 2018 8:05 AM

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Did you notice that Lain and the man who calls himself God switch pronouns? At first, "God" uses the male pronoun boku and Lain uses the female pronoun atashi. It goes something like this:

Lain: Are you God? (Anata wa Kami-sama?)
God: Yes. I am God. (Sou. Boku wa Kami-sama da.)
God: Why are you God? I don't understand? (Doushite anata nanka Kami-sama na no? Atashi wakaranai...)
God: You're dead, aren't you? And just a human being... someone like that cannot be a god, can they?
Lain: I realized that I have no need for a body. (I can't catch the Japanese words, but she definitely uses boku.)

This is weird. Not only their choice of pronouns, but the way "God" comments on and questions his own claim. The two appear to have swapped bodies: Her voice is coming out of him and his voice is coming out of her.

My hypothesis is that they - Lain and "God" (who is apparently Eiri Masami) are somehow one. She is another manifestation of him, I think.

I brought up a similar issue in the thread for episode 6, where Professor Hodgeson also uses atashi, which struck me as odd. Here in episode 10 this switch is obviously significant. This suggests to me that it might also be significant in episode 6 and that Hodgeson might also be a manifestation of God/Eiri/Lain. I'm less sure about that, though.
Aug 25, 2018 9:43 AM

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Holy shit, thinks start to make sense! Awesome anime XD
"No matter where you go, everyone's connected." Iwakura, Lain.

Oct 28, 2018 7:17 PM

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So, the Knights are dead. All of them.
And there are no longer "believers" for there to be a "God"...
Now, Lain is just a hologram to the reality...?!
I suspected that slightly, but wow, it left me quite surprised.
And too, three mans say that they "love" Lain... Her false "dad", that man with the strange glasses but this time without the strange glasses and the "God".

Apr 14, 2019 8:24 AM

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We know what Lain actually is.. or is she really only hologram, homonculus?
I still have so many questions

This anime is like cake
It's full of lies :P
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Apr 26, 2019 1:14 AM

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I think I'm losing interest at this point. I've enjoyed it up until now but I'm starting to feel like...meh

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May 31, 2019 6:07 AM

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Okay I'm starting to understand stand now. I feel so bad for Lain
Jun 7, 2019 10:30 PM
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It's nice to see how everything is clearing now. What I randomly thought is that, as someone else said, rl Lain was created as a recipient for the program that Masami created, aka the Wired Lain. I mentioned that I thought Lain was some sort of an a priori Chosen One, and it's seems I'm correct.

That would mean rl Lain was preserved in order to serve as a rl recipient or projection/or for the Wired Lain. The plan would start when the rl Lain first interacted with the Wired, as a sort of touching.

That's when Chise would come in as a sort of a linking chain or point. Maybe she was a kind of agent for the Knights and Eiri, and left behind her physical self in order to merge with the Wired and send the emails that allowed rl Lain to come in touch with the Wired Lain. But, if that's so, why bothering to send the emails to everyone, if Lain was already the Chosen One?

Maybe it was to put up an illusion of normality, knowing that everything that surrounded Lain was fake and only served as a facade to preserve her for when the plan started, and so she would be less cautious and act naturally by her curiosity.

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What do they get in a flat-chested kid, man? >_<


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Nov 17, 2019 1:43 PM

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WOW! What an episode. And finally a few answers are starting to come to light...
May 16, 2020 6:16 AM

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So three dudes professed their love to Lain in this ep.
Whether Lain should be existing in rl or she's just a mere hologram, these two captions stuck with me:




If she's not allowed in rl or wired world,
then where does she belong?

This is my fave ep so far



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Jun 23, 2020 9:39 AM

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Lain just wanted to live a normal quiet life that can be enjoyed with her friends and family and her conviction to do so made her go as far as to expose everyone in Knights so she can discard her godhood by eliminating the idea of such beings in the Wired existing...

It's sad that the true circumstances behind her existence makes it pretty much impossible to get what she wants without having to get rid of herself first though. She might just be able to pull it off somehow, hm.

Everyone loves Lain for some reason lul








Sep 29, 2020 11:44 PM

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Take it easy, guys. The fact that Lain is a deity doesn't necessarily mean you all can profess your love to her so openly.

Well, glad things weren't as confusing as in the last episode. Most aspects made more sense now whereas some others still remain in the dark. So basically, the fact of Lain being an entity born in the Wired got reaffirmed while it was also revealed that Masami (self-proclaimed God who transferred his consciousness into the Wired once he died) is the creator of Lain's "legend". Legend that was disseminated through the Wired and led virtual Lain to materialize a "body" (or bodies) in the real world with fake parents and fake friends. She's still a bit in denial about this fact and refuses to believe in Masami's words but it's understandable. The guy seems too eager for Lain to leave the real world so I'm pretty sure he has some other intentions he doesn't plan to share with her.

On the other hand, members of Knights are being killed left and right. Lain only wanted to know who they were but it seems the Men in Black took that chance to hunt all of them down since their goal is to keep the Wired as a controlled addition of the real world and nothing else. In this regard, Lain is also a threat to them so I now wonder what will happen between these two.
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Oct 1, 2020 6:28 AM
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I can see Gnostic undertones in this series, but maybe that's just my interpretation.

Many Gnostics believe humans are holograms and the creator god is not the real God. In Gnosticism Eiri can be the Demiurge (the Greek word for Creator)

In this case, Wired is the real world and the material one is the fake one.
Nov 12, 2020 1:50 AM

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Keen insight. I suspect there are a lot more gnostic undertones than that, but my scant knowledge of gnosticism is really rusty so I'm probably too underinformed to peel it off.

Anyway, assuming "God" isn't fucking with her, it's good to know my earlier prediction that Lain is a cyber-being manifesting in the real world is spot on.

My problem with this series is that it feels like a loosely connected string of isolated events divorced from coherent storytelling. Things are happening, but there's this vague sense of confusion like I missed several scenes in between two events... or, rather, in between each episode. Either I'm supposed to imagine my own interweaving narrative, or I'm too stupid to piece together the information clearly in front of me.

Or, alternatively, the confusion is the point, because I suspect it's Lain's perspective, too, and the purpose is to put us in Lain's perspective... but I still don't have a working understanding of what Lain even is. Using this episode for example, she goes from being connected to a series of wires presumably to manifest in The Wired to walking down a street when God appears to her. There's this vague sense of unknowing. What's the real Lain, what isn't? Is it all the real Lain?

It all kind of reminds me of Perfect Blue except slower and, frankly, more boring.



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Jan 20, 2021 10:45 PM

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So Lain's existence in real world isn't really a good thing thing and she shouldn't be here at all if I see it right.

Also all Knights getting revealed and dying was an interesting event to see,

3 more episodes till we reach the bottom of all of this
Mar 6, 2021 4:24 PM

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Ok, so Eiri made the Internet incorporate Earth's electromagnetic waves, uploaded himself to the Internet, subsequently became the Internet, and then made himself a little girl.



"...fatih, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."

"I began to trust the world [...] to give unforeseen goods and pleasures that I had not thought to want."

Jul 25, 2021 4:23 PM
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Veethorn said:
So, it's like she is just a reflection of her true self that exists in the wired... well I kinda thought it would be something like that, I'm just not sure of what is her relation with that god, did he create the fake Lain?


I think he is just lying about most of the things he say. For some reason it seems like he really wants Lain to give up her physical body, I still don't quite understand what he will win by convincing her of doing that though. Maybe somehow aiming to control her powers in the wired or something, to fully merge the wired with the real world?

I guess that could be why the knights have been messing so much with Lain's life (spreading the rumours about Alice, trapping her sisters consciousness in the wired and so on), to convince her that the real world sucks and that she should instead give up her body and transmit herself fully to the wired.


This has helped me understand whats going on, thank you so much lol
Jul 29, 2021 12:58 PM

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All them middle aged men loving Lain is very sus.


just wanna feel wanted by someone other than the police 😫
Aug 20, 2021 11:57 PM

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Lain is hot af, I dont blame them....

Sep 4, 2021 8:52 PM

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Hold on, so all those times we saw lain walking to school in the street with the white sky and telephone wires were actually a figment of the web?

I came to this conclusion because it was the only setting to have strange things—such as the guy looking at telephone pole, kid raising hands to sky, and god—featured.




Oct 12, 2021 6:20 AM

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This is feeling a lot like the movie Lucy (2014).

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Jan 12, 2022 9:09 AM
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I felt like this episode explained everything until the ending now I'm even more confused.
Jan 30, 2022 12:33 PM

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So, she's living in a simulation. And the weird guy is actually Eiri Misima or something.
He's the creator of this simulation and he has inserted his consciousness in it as a god, right?
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Feb 14, 2022 6:59 PM

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Man, the moment I said I was starting to like Karl, he went and said some weird shit lmfao
Mar 17, 2022 9:16 AM

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man.. it makes a lot of sense now, also the questions i have before is answered..

basically lain is not a real human she's really born from wired like that guy (god in wired) said, and her real world self (real self) is actually the fake one, and her real world body is also fake "homunculus" (a very small human or a humanoid creature) its like her consciousness is just passed in real world.. everything lain in real world is fake!!

now this really explains, why she can do supernatural stuff in the beginning.. and how that knight chip thingy can overwrite her memories..

now that it starts making sense this show is really good
Mar 19, 2022 10:05 AM
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Damm so Lain is AI? So does her body in real life is advanced artificial human things? We saw one time where Lain saw her naughty version hanging out with friends, could it that one is the real Lain?

Or the whole thing is just Lain AI living in the AI world all long? IDK, I am dumb
Mar 22, 2022 10:09 AM

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Things are coming together, but still confused lmao

Something I've been wondering is like, the significance of crows in this anime- I assumed they'd mean something since they're all over the opening, but I don't think we've actually seen a crow in the actual anime in these last 10 episodes
Mar 29, 2022 10:22 PM

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I think I understood this episode. Lain is not a real person.
Jun 29, 2022 6:05 AM
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_kukiyomenai said:
So three dudes professed their love to Lain in this ep.
Whether Lain should be existing in rl or she's just a mere hologram, these two captions stuck with me:




If she's not allowed in rl or wired world,
then where does she belong?

This is my fave ep so far



A thing which get me on this episode. Why this man was laughing all the time, when they were there?
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Aug 14, 2022 2:23 PM

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i love this series i binged it in 1 day
Sep 8, 2022 6:00 AM
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not creepy enough this time
Oct 3, 2022 9:17 AM
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mind is blown. I have more and more question every episode anew. fun fact, pause the episode on 18:50 minutes, and look in the agent's eyes. It looks like a black figure of an angel that resemble Lain. Probably just a coincidence :)
Oct 23, 2022 1:50 PM

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In starting, Lain and Eiri Masami were talking from each other's body. (They switched bodies)
He is God! and he said to her that she no longer need her body!! He also said he is God as long as he has worshippers.
In School, Nobody could see or hear Lain. Her seat wasn't there too! (Like she don't even exist there!) Arisu also said Lain that she's not needed in the real world!
Her Family left her! Her father said her that it was just their work for short time, they just pretended to be her family!
All members of Knights were revealed on net news by Lain then they all were killed by Men in Black!
Karl loves Lain?!
Wired's God said he created Lain?!! Real world's Lain is mere hologram?! Eiri loves Lain too and want her to love him?!! And Wired's Lain is Real Lain?!
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