| There are a couple of cliche characters such as: Edgy angry boy (Sasuke/Gaara/Bakugou/Kaneki/Kurapika) Tsundere love interest (Chitoge/Taiga/Kurisu/Yozora) Extremely alpha nice MC (Kirito/Touya/Sakuragi) The what I like to call I don't really give a fuck MC (Tomoya/Kyon/Ryuuji/Saitama) And many more such as Extremely op for no reason etc.. I personally think that you should start off as base generic and then make your own character out of it. What do I know I like the overly overpowered emo character. But what do you think that makes a good character or interesting? |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| Well I agree cliches are just that... Cliches, and they get old... I mean Tsunderes are overused... As for what makes a good character... It's dynamic... Even though a character may be following a certain form, it's how that character is portrayed and executed... Meaning it's more on how the character lives and reacts that makes them different, rather than following the same old reactions that make characters generic... It's the layers of depth and understanding that make a character good, also making them human, not some robot that more or less reacts the same to everything... It's all about dynamics and execution |
Nyah_Chan said: Well I agree cliches are just that... Cliches, and they get old... I mean Tsunderes are overused... As for what makes a good character... It's dynamic... Even though a character may be following a certain form, it's how that character is portrayed and executed... Meaning it's more on how the character lives and reacts that makes them different, rather than following the same old reactions that make characters generic... It's the layers of depth and understanding that make a character good, also making them human, not some robot that more or less reacts the same to everything... It's all about dynamics and execution So you basically think that they should react differently to each situation? |
| In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| I think starting from a 'base generic' template is a limited way of looking at character creation. Not every character has to be slotted into a cliche, and such thinking is what perpetuates the piles of mediocre works everyone complains about every season. I'd say you should create a character by establishing an identity first. Think about their values, their motivations, where their lines are, how they would react to a certain situation. If it ends up falling too closely in line with an archetype, erase it and start from scratch. That being said, I'm terrible at creative writing, so what do I know. |
| You gotta learn the difference first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1dZMuoAWmM |
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I am not going to watch a video....... give me your own formed opinion and facts |
| In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
Takamura-sama said: Nyah_Chan said: Well I agree cliches are just that... Cliches, and they get old... I mean Tsunderes are overused... As for what makes a good character... It's dynamic... Even though a character may be following a certain form, it's how that character is portrayed and executed... Meaning it's more on how the character lives and reacts that makes them different, rather than following the same old reactions that make characters generic... It's the layers of depth and understanding that make a character good, also making them human, not some robot that more or less reacts the same to everything... It's all about dynamics and execution So you basically think that they should react differently to each situation? I'm saying no one person reacts the same to every situation... Or even the same situation... Because we have moods and settings... A truly dynamic character will not follow a script but be more "alive"... Like humans... We are irrational and irrationality is what makes up human... So a character that has the same reactions to everything is not real... It's stagnant |
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| Realistic. or, you could say three dimensional. Make sense / have common sense (or not defying it too much). Not too attached with their archetype. Basically character that can hold my suspension of disbelief. Maybe you'll assume I don't like Fantasy/Magic genre, but it has nothing to do with genre. You could be a realistic character on the wackiest world you could possibly imagine. |
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| Just don't be like 99% of harem leads and it already adds to a +1 from me. If you want a harem lead, be like https://myanimelist.net/character/64051/Akatsuki_Ousawa |
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| As long as he is not a dumb cliché cunt - I guess everything is ok. oh...and it would be better for him to wear glasses. Or it will be better for me? ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
harshtruth said: Or Aizen, he made Hueco Mundo his harem and fucked the Arrancars however he wanted but he was very cool while doing it.Just don't be like 99% of harem leads and it already adds to a +1 from me. If you want a harem lead, be like https://myanimelist.net/character/64051/Akatsuki_Ousawa |
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zal said: even made Grimmjow kneel in front of him with no effort...true pimpharshtruth said: Or Aizen, he made Hueco Mundo his harem and fucked the Arrancars however he wanted but he was very cool while doing it.Just don't be like 99% of harem leads and it already adds to a +1 from me. If you want a harem lead, be like https://myanimelist.net/character/64051/Akatsuki_Ousawa |
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It all leads down to what you believe makes a "good character" personally I like characters with cute personalities that have a great conviction and evolve into stronger people due to certain events or their conviction motivates them into becoming better versions of themselves! Which what the two characters in my favorite list Akari and Saki have and did someone say a character being a trap (otos or crossdressers *clears throat*) makes them a good character?! Heh no wonder why I love Saki so much! (despite him actually being a really good character and super cute~ bah enough with my cringe worthy praise for that cute boi lol) |
  Ascended Taste I only came back to this site for the forum sets and to promote my RYM list... Anilist ftw still :dab: |
Takamura-sama said: But what do you think that makes a good character or interesting? Does a character seem alive? Meaning - does he/she adapt to situations, make decisions, pursue goals? If the answer is "yes", it's a pretty damn good character. If you want to appeal to me, make the character both clever and good (because I believe I'm like that, and I totally like people like that). And don't use the story just to beat him/her up for being like that. I'm easy to please, but this still doesn't happen all that often. P.S. Also, I hate Akatsuki Ousawa. |
| Having correct roles, behaviors, and manner that complies with the story. If you make a story about life, show them grow, for example. This is ideally. My personal preference are those who are confident in themselves, knowledgeable, skilled, knowing their flaws, and not a jerk. |
| Life isn't as fun and easy as anime. Watch anime to bring that fun!! |
Takamura-sama said: I am not going to watch a video....... give me your own formed opinion and facts The video is just a 5-minute elaboration on the difference between tropes (structural blocks of storytelling) and cliches (tropes that are working too hard and get a negative reaction from the audience). The video link was obviously a statement that you called these character concepts "cliches" undeservingly. |
| There's only one thing that makes a good character - if they're entertaining to watch. This will mean different things in different shows, because characters don't exist in a vacuum, they're influenced by (and influence in turn) the characters and environment around them. In one show, this might mean a realistic, thoughtful character that pulls you into the atmosphere of the setting. In another, it might mean a bombastic, larger-than-life one that makes it a joy to watch whenever they're onscreen. Ultimately, they're characters in an entertainment medium, and they have one job - to entertain. |
>Tsundere love interest (Chitoge/Taiga/Kurisu/Yozora) |
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Takamura-sama said: Taiga isn't a tsundere Tsundere love interest (Chitoge/Taiga/Kurisu/Yozora) if you're referring to this Yozora https://myanimelist.net/character/37513/Yozora_Mikazuki then last I watched the show I don't remember her being a tsundere What makes a good character depends on the show but for the most part I like the strong willed kind of characters which become strong or are already strong when the show starts. Acting crazy is also a plus |
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| If I find the character entertaining to watch. If answer is yes than I considered them a good character. At the end of the day I don't care how complex or simple a character is if they can't entertain me. |
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Jason_Funderberk said: Well some characters are entertaining to some people because they aren't characters, they're just self inserts for wish fulfilment. There's both an objective and subjective half of what makes a good character, and most people mistake the objective half for subjective, and more commonly, the other way around. There is no objective, there's just what tends to entertain more people. If a character can be said to be 'good' in any capacity it's because they have traits that make them entertaining, and that's always going to be subjective because enjoyment is subjective. Sure, more people, as it happens, tend to enjoy things like originality, realistic reactions, etc., but that doesn't make it not subjective. If human aesthetic was different and for some reason we all found those things terribly boring to watch, characters with those traits would be rightly called bad characters and the people who wrote them bad writers. Once again, it's an entertainment medium and the goal is to entertain. You can only call something good if it's good at achieving that goal, and that goal is subjective because not everyone enjoys exactly the same things. |
Deknijff said: Takamura-sama said: Taiga isn't a tsundere Tsundere love interest (Chitoge/Taiga/Kurisu/Yozora) if you're referring to this Yozora https://myanimelist.net/character/37513/Yozora_Mikazuki then last I watched the show I don't remember her being a tsundere What makes a good character depends on the show but for the most part I like the strong willed kind of characters which become strong or are already strong when the show starts. Acting crazy is also a plus Well whenever the romance aspects are at the forefront I felt like she did sort of devolve into a pretty standard one sadly, so I guess it depends on how you view it I say sadly because I feel like she's much more fun when she isn't being -dere at all |
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| Guts from Berserk. The manga isn't even close to being finished yet and he probably has the best character arc out of pretty much any other anime/manga character ever. The other great thing about him that's not mentioned much is that he's a character who's defined by his actions rather than words, just compare the way he acts and feels towards people from early on in the TBS arc to now. |
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Manaban said: well unless someone reminds me of something Ive forgotten or shows she is a tsundere in the LN then I'm not going to consider her one Deknijff said: Well whenever the romance aspects are at the forefront I felt like she did sort of devolve into a pretty standard one sadly, so I guess it depends on how you view itTaiga isn't a tsundere if you're referring to this Yozora https://myanimelist.net/character/37513/Yozora_Mikazuki then last I watched the show I don't remember her being a tsundere What makes a good character depends on the show but for the most part I like the strong willed kind of characters which become strong or are already strong when the show starts. Acting crazy is also a plus I say sadly because I feel like she's much more fun when she isn't being -dere at all |
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Jason_Funderberk said: Actually, anime is not solely an entertainment medium. There are anime that only try to entertain, but that's a narrow viewpoint. Also, the objective in how good a character is is how developed they are. Most people ignore that but it's there. The subjective is how entertaining they are because that's different for everyone. I say development is objective because you can't argue that a character that gets development doesn't get development unless you don't know what character development is and mistake it for character progression or something. Oh? So what else is anime, if not for entertainment? And yes, having a developed character is good. I agree. But why is it good? Because it's boring to have a character that never changes and never learns, right? In other words, it's not entertaining. There are traits that characters objectively have, of course. Saitama is objectively powerful. Kyon is objectively sarcastic. But Saitama's suit is objectively yellow, and Kyon has objectively short hair. We don't care about every objective fact about characters, clearly. So why do we care about the ones that are important? Because they make the character more entertaining. |
Deknijff said: Manaban said: well unless someone reminds me of something Ive forgotten or shows she is a tsundere in the LN then I'm not going to consider her one Well whenever the romance aspects are at the forefront I felt like she did sort of devolve into a pretty standard one sadly, so I guess it depends on how you view it I say sadly because I feel like she's much more fun when she isn't being -dere at all I would not describe Yozora as tsundere. She is just an all-around abrasive person, and doesn't change that for people she likes. Jason_Funderberk said: flannan said: You should try JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 2012 then, as the main character of the second arc, Joseph Joestar, is very clever, very good (unless you mean "pure," which he is very not) and he totally kicks ass all the time. You need to watch part 1 first which is the first 9 episodes woth Jonathan Joestar who is alright but not nearly as good. But you can't skip part 1.Does a character seem alive? Meaning - does he/she adapt to situations, make decisions, pursue goals? If the answer is "yes", it's a pretty damn good character. If you want to appeal to me, make the character both clever and good (because I believe I'm like that, and I totally like people like that). And don't use the story just to beat him/her up for being like that. I'm easy to please, but this still doesn't happen all that often. P.S. Also, I hate Akatsuki Ousawa. JoJo was on my list of anime I do not plan to actually watch, but you make a convincing argument. By "good" in the personal appeal part I meant that the character is a good person (for any reasonable value of "good"), not well-written. |
flannan said: Joseph is pretty good deep down. Jonathan is totally pure though.Deknijff said: well unless someone reminds me of something Ive forgotten or shows she is a tsundere in the LN then I'm not going to consider her one I would not describe Yozora as tsundere. She is just an all-around abrasive person, and doesn't change that for people she likes. Jason_Funderberk said: You should try JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 2012 then, as the main character of the second arc, Joseph Joestar, is very clever, very good (unless you mean "pure," which he is very not) and he totally kicks ass all the time. You need to watch part 1 first which is the first 9 episodes woth Jonathan Joestar who is alright but not nearly as good. But you can't skip part 1. JoJo was on my list of anime I do not plan to actually watch, but you make a convincing argument. By "good" in the personal appeal part I meant that the character is a good person (for any reasonable value of "good"), not well-written. |
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| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Good characters have just that - character. It has to follow its own logic and development that is not forced due to being convenient to the plot. Bad characters are those who are just functions and cliche. |
| I guess a good character has flaws and a backstory to justify his (extreme) actions. With the amount of anime coming out every single year everything was there before in some way so most things are somehow cliche. The point is to add more to a character then just expected actions and a simple pattern of beliefs and morals. Someone needs weak points to his emotions, something that triggers him, maybe even a love interest. (I guess that is also why romance is often added to many things) What a good character should not be is boring and predictable, say the same things over and over again without learning a thing. I believe we dont know most real persons anyway, we spent to less time with them to be sure who they are or know them completely. Anime is different, anime lets us see characters in many different situations testing morals, beliefs and personal values. Also we usually get all the backstory. Sometimes we even hear their thoughts. So having a "good" character is not the thing you want to create as an author, rather you want focus on a character not beeing garbage. I think every character is good when he is not garbage. What is mostly considered a good character is a developing character, someone who changes over time, reflects on mistakes and adjusts his morals and values. You just want a character to either act the way the audience can relate or atleast the way it is not viewed as out of character. You want to feel their emotions and relate to their struggles. You want to understand what they did. The characters are mostly influenced by the surrounding story. In a romcom show I want a character to act differently from a mecha. In a fantasy world I dont want a character who is bored by it, I want him to explore it. When there is something annoying I want him to be annoyed, not be happy about it. Sometimes characters simply dont have enough screentime to develope or show in enough different situations, but he can still be considered good when he is recognizable in his actions, morals and beliefs. I dont want to spoiler anything so Im using old anime as an example. Dragonball Z for example has Vegeta, someone extremely arrogant and prideful. He is ruthless and consideres weaklings as worthless. But he slowly changes after meeting Goku, a low class warrior who defeats him. That goes so far as to entrusting his wish for revenge on frieza to him. After that is settled he needs some time to gather his thoughts, he is shocked that some low class warrior was stronger then him. He was sad that he had to rely on him to get free from frieza. Over the time he gets used to more companions, he even gets a wife and children. He still is very prideful and wants to prove his superiority to everyone. Especially to Kakarott. He is so prideful he takes risks and does mistakes like in the Cell Arc, after that he feels guilty and again angry that he had to rely on Kakarott and his son to save him, his family and the earth which became also his planet by now. This all reaches its climax in the boo arc, where his hate and sorrow for himself (because he never surpassed goku) grows so strong that he focuses his anger on Goku, so he wants to settle this with a fight. He even goes so far as to sacrife himself to save everyone, as a last act of not falling behind goku mixed with his wish to protect his family and his planet. After that fails he openly admits to goku that Goku surpassed him. This would be unthinkable of with the vegeta from the beginning. We have a changing character, with clear beliefs and morals which change with the situation, someone who does mistakes and has weaknesses, having relatable emotions. That is how I see not just a good but a great character. |
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