ahoyanen said: Pullman said: Also Kenshin is one of THE shounen manga of the last 25 years and he has the OVA in his favorites -.-. Kenshin main series is shounen, while OVA is not. Main series is a complete shit, while OVA is a masterpiece. That is the difference. I actually explain this in the text on my profile. The ova is the adaptation of the flashback occurred in the Jinchu Arc. |
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ShadowCode said: MechKingKillbot said: I wanted to like GT, but I didn't like how they executed the villains. Aside from Baby being kind of like Buu, I really liked the concept of the Black Star Dragons and Super Hell Android 17. It's just not how I want it to turn out. They used the wrong members when finding the Dragon Balls. Little Goku was a nice memory lane to nostalgia, so I'm fine with that. Pan is annoying and only probably there because they needed a female character. Trunks isn't the cool future Trunks, so eeehh on that. Pretty much every character in DBGT was worthless except Goku. Vegeta only became useful after Bulma was involved with helping him transform. Ahh yea that is true. Pan only had like 1 good scene. The fight scenes with omega shenron were fantastic though. Yeah. Omega Shenron fight was the highlight of the series for me too, especially the fusion bit. I also liked Nova Shenron fight, which would be my 2nd favorite I guess "trash" isn't the most accurate term I should have given to GT, but it certainly doesn't match the standards of its predecessors. _Lightsbane said: ahoyanen said: Where do they speak this "shouben"? And take a look in the dictionary if you do not know the meaning "genre" before you call anyone dumb. For the 10000000000th (and hopefully last) time on this bloody forum: Shounen is not a genre. It's a demographic. Some of the blame should be on MAL for putting it as "Genre" under the Anime Search page. Eliminating that will eliminate the confusion. |
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MechKingKillbot said: ShadowCode said: Ahh yea that is true. Pan only had like 1 good scene. The fight scenes with omega shenron were fantastic though. Yeah. Omega Shenron fight was the highlight of the series for me too, especially the fusion bit. I also liked Nova Shenron fight, which would be my 2nd favorite I guess "trash" isn't the most accurate term I should have given to GT, but it certainly doesn't match the standards of its predecessors. _Lightsbane said: For the 10000000000th (and hopefully last) time on this bloody forum: Shounen is not a genre. It's a demographic. Some of the blame should be on MAL for putting it as "Genre" under the Anime Search page. Eliminating that will eliminate the confusion. No, the whole blame is on people who do not know the dictionary definition of "genre". MAL is completely correct as target demographics constitutes a category. |
| If you want to, then go for it. I re watched the whole series recently and really enjoyed it. Dragon Ball has aged quite a bit but the other series still look great. Dragon Ball is one of the reasons Anime became more popular in the States. But you gotta watch them in order. Dragon Ball, Z, Super. Don't bother with GT, it's not canon and it sucks. |
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ahoyanen said: Pullman said: Also Kenshin is one of THE shounen manga of the last 25 years and he has the OVA in his favorites -.-. Kenshin main series is shounen, while OVA is not. Main series is a complete shit, while OVA is a masterpiece. That is the difference. I actually explain this in the text on my profile. Both are based on the manga which is shounen. There is no room for interpretation here, it is just a fact. |
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| Yes you should watch Dragon Ball, its excellent. |
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Pullman said: ahoyanen said: Kenshin main series is shounen, while OVA is not. Main series is a complete shit, while OVA is a masterpiece. That is the difference. I actually explain this in the text on my profile. Both are based on the manga which is shounen. There is no room for interpretation here, it is just a fact. There is hentai based on shounen material. Does that make it shounen? |
ahoyanen said: Pullman said: Both are based on the manga which is shounen. There is no room for interpretation here, it is just a fact. There is hentai based on shounen material. Does that make it shounen? If there is hentai being published in a shounen magazine, it does. But I doubt there is. Making a doujin using characters from a popular franchise is a totally different thing than adapting a manga from a shounen magazine. Please, do I really need to explain this? |
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Darek said: @ahoyanen google the definiton of a category... Demographic does not fall under it since it does not contain any common characteristics. Target demographic is shared characteristic according to which you can categorise. |
Pullman said: If there is hentai being published in a shounen magazine, it does. But I doubt there is. Making a doujin using characters from a popular franchise is a totally different thing than adapting a manga from a shounen magazine. Please, do I really need to explain this? From what you just wrote, your understanding seems wrong. Explanation based on wrong understanding is not necessary. No matter how you spin it, the fact is that the final product (OVA) is not shounen. The rest is inconsequential. |
ahoyanen said: Pullman said: Both are based on the manga which is shounen. There is no room for interpretation here, it is just a fact. There is hentai based on shounen material. Does that make it shounen? Pullman said: If there is hentai being published in a shounen magazine, it does. But I doubt there is. Making a doujin using characters from a popular franchise is a totally different thing than adapting a manga from a shounen magazine. Please, do I really need to explain this? Why can't it fall under multiple categories? It could be Shounen and whatever at the same time. |
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ahoyanen said: Pullman said: If there is hentai being published in a shounen magazine, it does. But I doubt there is. Making a doujin using characters from a popular franchise is a totally different thing than adapting a manga from a shounen magazine. Please, do I really need to explain this? From what you just wrote, your understanding seems wrong. Explanation based on wrong understanding is not necessary. No matter how you spin it, the fact is that the final product (OVA) is not shounen. The rest is inconsequential. Lol the irony in this post. Sure, keep believing that it's not the source material that defines the demographic of a series. There is obviously no helping you to understand the accurate application of this term. Your determination to stay ignorant and ignore factual definitions is admirable. Keiski said: Pullman said: If there is hentai being published in a shounen magazine, it does. But I doubt there is. Making a doujin using characters from a popular franchise is a totally different thing than adapting a manga from a shounen magazine. Please, do I really need to explain this? Why can't it fall under multiple categories? It could be Shounen and whatever at the same time. sure, but for it to be shounen it needs to be published in a shounen magazine which hentai never is so that particular combination is unlikely to exist. |
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isabella1203 said: I've been wanting to watch Dragon Ball for a long time now because its premise is interesting and it's IMMENSELY popular. However, I can barely tolerate the quality of the first episodes because it was made so long ago. Should I try to give it another go? Would I be okay (not too confused, somewhat grasps the basics, etc.) if I just skipped right to the more recently made episodes, like Dragon Ball Super? For old dragon ball ry the remastered versions. |
Pullman said: ahoyanen said: From what you just wrote, your understanding seems wrong. Explanation based on wrong understanding is not necessary. No matter how you spin it, the fact is that the final product (OVA) is not shounen. The rest is inconsequential. Lol the irony in this post. Sure, keep believing that it's not the source material that defines the demographic of a series. There is obviously no helping you to understand the accurate application of this term. Your determination to stay ignorant and ignore factual definitions is admirable. Source material characteristics only define the source material category. Any adaptations are to be judged based how they are actually made in the end. It is a very simple fact to understand... |
| I want to eventually get around to watching the entire series. Would anyone rec evolution? The movie. |
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Mell8 said: I want to eventually get around to watching the entire series. Would anyone rec evolution? The movie. Absolutely no. It's an abomination. |
| If you like action you should give a try to Dragon Ball Z or Kai, avoid the others seasons cuz you are going to find them boring in comparison to modern anime, trust me |
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| You couldn't watch the Original Dragon Ball? What a big waste, but oh well.... Watch Dragon Ball Kai first, but if you also couldn't tolerate it either, leave the franchise alone and don't look back. |
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Keiski said: If you want to, then go for it. I re watched the whole series recently and really enjoyed it. Dragon Ball has aged quite a bit but the other series still look great. Dragon Ball is one of the reasons Anime became more popular in the States. But you gotta watch them in order. Dragon Ball, Z, Super. Don't bother with GT, it's not canon and it sucks. How is Super any better than GT? At least GT didn't look like complete garbage and had some neat ideas. |
JonasTheJay said: Keiski said: If you want to, then go for it. I re watched the whole series recently and really enjoyed it. Dragon Ball has aged quite a bit but the other series still look great. Dragon Ball is one of the reasons Anime became more popular in the States. But you gotta watch them in order. Dragon Ball, Z, Super. Don't bother with GT, it's not canon and it sucks. How is Super any better than GT? At least GT didn't look like complete garbage and had some neat ideas. Well for starters, Dragon Ball GT has a 6.71 on MAL while Supers at a 7.45. What does that tell you? Second, GT was made completely by Toei, and had nothing to do with Toriyama except some character designs and the logo. Third, while GT has some(very few) good ideas, they're executed very poorly. The first arc where Goku, Trunks, Pan, and Giru are looking for the black star balls is so terrible it puts me to sleep. Fourth, GT took so many characters that have been around since day one in OG Dragon Ball and threw them away. Master Roshi, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, etc. literally make less than a handful of appearances. The fact they in GT is so meaningless because the whole series they've been bringing people back. It's like they were looking for a way to get rid of him. Fifth, Gohan, Goten, and Modern Trunks? All scrubs now. Literally useless in a fight. Sixth, I don't even know how it's possible that the animation in GT is worse than in Z. That's just mind boggling considering it's newer, but it's True. Seventh, everybody hated how Goku turns back into a kid. EVERYONE. Eighth the black star balls were literally just pulled out of Toeis' ass. They just came out of no where and then threatened to destroy the planet. -_- As for Super, the animation was only B grade when it first aired. It's beautiful for for the dub and blu ray release. Toriyama actually has something to do with the series, as he is writing the storyboards and doing character designs. The fact that all the characters are still getting screentime and the fact that Gohan is actually fighting again, pleases A LOT of fans. (all the people who said Goku should have remained dead and Gohan should of had the spotlight) The first 2 arcs in Super are meh, maybe because of the movies being out, and them basically just retelling the movies. But after that, GT isn't even in the same ballpark as Super. Now feel free to tell me if i've missed something. I think i've gotten the point across. If not here's a fan poll of Super vs GT. Super vs GT fan poll |
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| @Keiski Out of topic, but Trunks and Goten uselessness (in fights only, of course) was kind of the future we could logically imagine when we were done with Dragon Ball (manga or DBZ/anime). Ûb and Pan being almost useless was going far more against the conclusion. About the "Gohan fighting pleases a lof of FANs", where were they when Toriyama was pressured in bringing Goku back under the spotlight at every possible occasion (once the Android chapters were done) because of popularity ? PS: I am not taking part in this Super VS original manga/animation or VS GT thing, I am only reacting to some points. |
| @Keiski "Well for starters, Dragon Ball GT has a 6.71 on MAL while Supers at a 7.45. What does that tell you? Second, GT was made completely by Toei, and had nothing to do with Toriyama except some character designs and the logo." Scores are meaningless and say very little about the quality of the show. The fact that GT isn't canon also doesn't say anything about the quality. "I don't even know how it's possible that the animation in GT is worse than in Z. That's just mind boggling considering it's newer, but it's True" Same thing can be said about Super which looks even WORSE. "everybody hated how Goku turns back into a kid. EVERYONE" Making Goku a kid again and only making him an adult as a SSJ4 was pretty clever idea to mix the feeling of the original DB with DBZ. You have kid Goku for the rather light hearted moments and adult Goku for the tough fight scenes later on. That's way more creative than just comming up with a lazy SSJ color swap. "As for Super, the animation war only B grade when it first aired. It's beautiful for for the dub and blu ray release" B grade? More like F grade. Also they didn't even fix the animation, they only fixed the derpy faces. The choreography is still the same AFAIK. |
| stay away from Super and GT that's the only advice i can give you everything else dragonball related is tolerable |
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| super don't watch it, watch the original Dragon Ball & Z, better animation and story and don't worry about the quality of the episodes there is blu-ray and DVD versions. |
| Mmm I got bad news for you if you think the beginning episodes are terrible. The original Dragon Ball is by far the best one so yeah... |
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CheekyKunt said: Mmm I got bad news for you if you think the beginning episodes are terrible. The original Dragon Ball is by far the best one so yeah... If you're quoting me then I was talking about the beginning episodes for Super. But agreed, OG Dragon Ball is much better with comedy, characters, plot, etc. While I love Dragon Ball and Z, Dragon Ball takes the cake. |
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| @JonasTheJay In all honesty, the animation quality has improved immensely since the Gods of the Universe arc. |
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| Just skip Dragon Ball n watch Dragon Ball Z/Kai, THEN jump back to Dragon Ball bwcause you'll enjoy it more. I recommend Kai over Z because no filler, better voice acting n better script. Better visuals too but its up to you. DO NOT WATCH SUPER! Dragon Ball destroys Super n you can't even enjoy Dragon Ball LOL Super is a load of garbage. It may have better animation at times but Z/Kai wins EVERY TIME because of how the staff used the technology at the time. It may be old but its damn fun to watch! Staff behind Super are disgusting which is a damn shame because the concept is fkn good. They fail at everything when it comes to Super. |
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isabella1203 said: read the manga or watch Kai, which has touched up graphics I've been wanting to watch Dragon Ball for a long time now because its premise is interesting and it's IMMENSELY popular. However, I can barely tolerate the quality of the first episodes because it was made so long ago. Should I try to give it another go? Would I be okay (not too confused, somewhat grasps the basics, etc.) if I just skipped right to the more recently made episodes, like Dragon Ball Super? the Z series is horribly paced |
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ahoyanen said: Not much, but enough. Look at my favourite list. Does it look like something I would endure? I think so because I love/enjoy all of your favorites. |
| no it become very bad over the time,, |
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| yeah, idk about the first anime since I follow everything in manga all 42 volume and only watch the weekly anime in occasion back then. |
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| I suggest not. If the quality is something that poses an issue to you, then don't even bother wasting your time. It's not going to get much better. In terms of the show itself, it does make me feel quite nostalgic and I would consider it a decent watch but you should spend your time watching something you find much more captivating. |
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| I would say it's safe to start Dragon Ball Super. Although I wouldn't watch that bullshit lol. If you're a fan of quality there are plenty... PLENTY of anime far much better than any DB in regards to quality. |
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| Are you prepared to go through tons of episodes just because 'others' have seen it? If you believe you'll like the premise watch them. If not, don't even bother. A few words to help you out on your choice: Dragonball. Kid goku, funny, veeery old graphics Dragonball Z. Adult goku, more badass fights, better graphics, still plenty of fillers Dragonball GT. Just act like you've never even heard of this one Dragonaball Super. A bit of everything 'remastered' but you won't have any idea who is who and why? Your call. |
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| The manga, the best version. Always has been and always will be. ahoyanen said: Source material characteristics only define the source material category. Any adaptations are to be judged based how they are actually made in the end. It is a very simple fact to understand... Well if we want to fill this thread with obtuse semantics, in reality, anime has no "shonen" tag at all because it's not published in a magazine. But no one cares. Why's it matter what anyone calls Kenshin anyway? |
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| No, don't watch the original series. Manga is better, just like Naruto or One Piece. Regarding the arcs, some like the early arcs, some like Z. The latest ones are harder to swallow. Dragon Ball Kai was paced faster but it's still a lengthy walk. The problem is it's one of the early foundations of shounen action series It's late comers have read this and various works, and then refined their own. So put too much expectation. Dragon Ball Super is for older fans who know the cliche of the characters and the author's comedy style. Although it's not written by the author, it reflects his comedy style but it also refines it to match fans expectations. |
| If you ever think you can't take watching an anime, try watching it with a friend, relative, or just in an anime club or something. It might not be your thing, but I find that it makes getting through things easier and then you eventually find something you might like about it despite whatever problems you feel it might have. Or I'll try to appeal to you another way. The older art might not be your cup of tea, but if you enjoy settings which combine old and new ways of life, characters who are usually silly but can still get things done for the plot when it comes time, and adventures into kinda odd worlds with unique rules in which you're interested in seeing the characters deal with then you might enjoy Dragon Ball. As for the franchise as a whole... if you really enjoy following characters as they grow or really just as they experience many different phases of life in a way that's not exactly meant to be dramatic but instead usually lighthearted, then you might enjoy Dragon Ball. You might be a little turned away from the action if you're going in for the character bit, but when the time of peace comes-- even if there's some type of fighting during that time-- it might just be worth it. I don't want to assume what you'll like, but hopefully that gives you a better idea of what Dragon Ball and what comes after might have in store for you so you can decide whether you'll pick it up or not. |
ashfrliebert said: Why's it matter what anyone calls Kenshin anyway? Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. |
| Dragon ball is imo the best of the dragon ball franchise but there is definitely better shows than dragon ball. Starting from Z or Kai is doable to understand the characters and plot properly but as the quality of the depth of story Isn't dragon ball's main selling point I guess someone could enjoy starting from Super if they only wanted to watch it for fight sequences and hearing special moves shouted aloud - but it would a pretty strange decision to do that over starting from an earlier point or choosing a different series. |
ahoyanen said: ashfrliebert said: Why's it matter what anyone calls Kenshin anyway? Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. Why dont you outright say 'lalala im living in my own reality were all things are as I wish them to be lalala'. Ofc you can disregard all facts but then your opinion remains true only in your eyes while the rest would probably take you for an idiot. |
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HamburgerSpike said: ahoyanen said: Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. Why dont you outright say 'lalala im living in my own reality were all things are as I wish them to be lalala'. Ofc you can disregard all facts but then your opinion remains true only in your eyes while the rest would probably take you for an idiot. Right... and then you woke up. ...... |
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