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| This episode was really emotionally tolling on me. Plus I was shocked by the portrayal of human nature in this episode, as well as Knives' rash decisions. Overall a great episode! |
| Awesome episode, this and the last were surprisingly dark given the tone of the series so far, makes me very excited for the rest of the series. Knives' portrayal is perhaps not the best, but whatever. |
| Obviously Vash couldn't be a human, but I didn't expect this series to be a sci-fi utopian project. Our hero is really just another pretentious one that thinks he can save everyone from everything. Well, nevertheless this was the best episode and probably the one with no comic exaggeration. |
| Vash trying to save both the spider and the butterfly was something.....I know he is a pacifist and all but he is such a hypocrite. Saving them both would result in the spider starving to dead. When Knives rebutted Vash's logic and reasoning, Vash retaliate with violence.... I do like Vash but sometime he is very face palmy. Great episode btw , pretty cool to see the clash of legacies and ideologies left behind by Rem and Knives in the show. |
BornWithCHeeSeJun 7, 2016 10:23 AM
| I wonder if Legato is Knives. |
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| This show got really dark really fast. |
| and the plot thickens! |
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| Amazing episode. I'm happy to see some backstory for this series. I'm assuming that Knives is Legato. Curious to what made him change his name. |
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| Rem was okay. Such a beautiful, loving maternal character who raised Vash to be who he is now. I was so sad when she died.D: I hate Knives. He's so evil! |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
| I can't help but agreeing with Knives "Like hell I'd let Humans immigrate. That would be like spreading germs across our healthy universe" Humans are destroying everything around them without a single care and they even said that the Earth got destroyed because of them Knives is being logical and I honestly think killing every humans is the right choice |
| It seems like Vash was infected with Rem's retarded ideologies. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Well that was definitely my favorite episode of the series so far. The backstory as to why Vash is the way he is really ties a lot together. Knives is awesome in an evil maniacal way. Is he Legato? I see a lot of people in this thread kind of seem to think that way. Maybe he changed his look and name to distance himself from Vash? I'm not sure, because when Vash says "I'll take care of Knives" at the end, it makes it seem like he's out to get him...why would he give Vash the chance to find him? Interesting... |
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| Yes, totally a Cain and Abel thing as someone mentioned above. Also not a filler episode as another person mentioned above. Rem is super Christian (in a fairly good way), and this whole story seems based on Christian myth. I'm curious how Knives made all of those events happen - I assume he has some kind of mind control? Steve did seem like a terrible person, though Vash seems to have learned some traits from him like being really handsy and the weird laugh. Knives is pretty creepy, and that meadow place reminded me of the end of Majora's Mask. Also, it was cool to see a generational ship like in Starship by Brian Aldiss or the Metamorphosis Alpha RPG. 2001: A Space Odyssey also comes to mind, with Knives as HAL. Vash seems like he knows that he has to kill Knives. The whole story seems to be about the desire for peace/pacifism, but the ugly truth that it won't always work. Anyway, everything is stepping into full gear now, and it is great! |
satyrelfheimSep 2, 2017 4:09 PM
| Finally, they told the story now I feel more attached to it. |
| People are actually calling this episode a filler? What the actual f... I think I lost my faith in humanity once again lol. The whole idea of the human race travelling through the galaxy trying to find a new home because Earth is screwed and those ships with people "sleeping" in them reminded me SO MUCH of ME: Andromeda xd Either way, at first, I thought that Vash and Knives are actually girls, but right before Vash has started speaking I thought "Wait, she has green eyes, blond hair... What if... *Vash starts talking* HOLY SHIT LOL" Also... Seems like Legato is not the one who will be "the final boss", huh? :P Yes, I thought that he could be Legato at first, but since Knives' and Legato's eye colour is different I actually think the opposite. I didn't cut that thought out completely tho, only because of that moment where Knives walks into the crew members rooms. If we assume that Knives is actually Legato, then I'd say that using his mind control abilities he made "the guy" go crazy, and he made "the girl" think that Steve raped her. But if we assume that Knives in not Legato then I have no idea what he could've done. BUT! If Legato has mind control abilities and he is a brother of Vash, doesn't that mean that Vash should also have them? But he doesn't use them because he's trying to be a good guy and he thinks that using them is a terrible thing to do? Eh... But who cares about that when you have things like eye colour, amirite? :') Their hair colour is also different, but that can be changed much easier. Changing the eye colour would make the whole "is Knives actually Legato or not" thing seem like a "forced mystery" to me. Anyhow, my bet is that Knives is actually a boss of Legato :) This is going to be dope. |
Shikori_TsuMay 13, 2018 6:56 PM
| Absit invidia verbo... |
I knew it. Vash was a carrot in disguise this whole time. |
| Anyways, Knives is one messed up fella. I cannot believe he did that, but it was honestly entertaining to see. Vash transformed from a hippie to a super saiyan in this episode. |
| One of the best episodes so far. So Rem and her people are the last survivors from our earth since we destroyed it ourselves. Pretty actual topic today in politics actually. Vash and that Knives guy are "aliens" they found on the way, first they age quickly and then they age not at all anymore it seems or just very slowly. |
| Woah, that got incredibly messy real quick. |
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| This is a Dr. Stone level plot twist, I love it, I have way too many questions now. |
| This episode is excellent like it is other anime, so bad that they don't keep this seinen way to the end. People are actually calling this episode a filler? What the actual f... I think I lost my faith in humanity once again lol. - That episode was insanely good. Anybody know of any similar sci-fi anime like this episode? I'm craving more ... (It's like Blue Gender no censor scenes) The 13 firsts episodes are comedy shows where no one dies and sporadics individuallys, henceforth 14 onwards has story that the really bad guys chasing Vash and they continue to the end, except this episode (17). Thats is seinen, mature, sci-fi, nude realley something awsome. |
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| Everything I was wondering about Vash's past and origins were answered in this excellent and mind-blowing episode! It was very nice to finally know about who Rem is along with the person who Vash has dedicated his life in searching for. While Vash is a pure yet naive pacifist like his mother figure, Knives is a cold and calculating being that can't comprehend anything that goes beyond utilitarian logic even if he does make sense sometimes. The new planet they're in has many scumbags doing what vile humans do as usual even after a hundred years has passed, but there are just as many if not more good people out there. I'm very much interested at seeing how things would turn out! |
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| I'm surprised I didn't manage to call the whole "artificial lifeform" thing before this episode. Even then, I wasn't expecting Vash to be over 108 years old. For once, I feel like the contrarian. Attempting to condense 16 episodes of building tension into 22 minutes is near impossible, and this show definitely suffers from that. The turning point for Knives was quite sudden, and the final half of the episode ended up feeling rushed. This would have benefitted from having two episodes to really flesh out the idea - even if the creation turning against the creator thematic is pretty much a staple of science fiction at this point. |
XeroBeatAug 8, 2020 1:39 AM
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| wow, the anime really took interesting different way of the story here, but it still probably were the best episode so far, and i have feeling it will only get better. it actually went above my expectations, i didn't thought vash to be some sort of alien, but it sure showed how vash is "monster" in his own way. i want to see now what the anime will take from this ep, probably something good :) |
| Turns out a few of my predictions from ep 12 were right. This episode answered so many questions I had in 20 minutes. I still do have a few questions which are, If they're not human, what are they and Why did Vash just stop aging? He's apparently 107 years old but looks young as hell. Does his race just stop aging at a certain age? To follow up with those questions, the scene where they found Vash raises a few questions for me as well, Like where did they find him? Was it on another planet? if so, which one? If he's not human then why does he resemble one so much? Anyways, it was sorta refreshing to see that Rem wasn't a lover. I like it way more that she's a mother figure and an influence to Vash instead of a lover. If she were one I feel like it would be so plain. Edit: Knives was right in multiple ways but I feel as though he handled it wrong? Sorta? The human race ended up destroying their own planet because they were selfish and didn't realize what the effect they had on it until it was too late. He described them as "germs" which I can agree with. If the human race were to go onto another flourishing planet, I know that they would end up doing the same thing they did with Earth. They'd have to leave again and find another planet to basically infect it just like a germ. Knives was also correct with the butterfly spider situation. It's the cycle of life, if Vash were to continuously free the butterflies then the spider would end up dead regardlessly. But Vash was also correct in the sense that we/they don't have the right to take someone else's life unless we actually need to (survival like for food.) |
RainlingNov 15, 2020 3:00 PM
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| Awesome we get to learn more about Rem! I really liked seeing young Vash and also the concept of 'Project Seeds'. Also, the good values that Knives and Vash were around when in the ship and near Rem (who was an optimist, environmentalist and promoted peace and tranquility). This says a LOT about current affairs like climate change, that we face in our own world. Really a lot of commentary on how we destroy our own world out of greed. Reaping the planet's resources for own gain, not out of survival, but out of excess. It IS our intrinsic nature to survive. "Survival instincts take over, DISMISSING shame." Humans really will do anything to survive. Yet, these folks seem to have strong and well-intentioned ideals. Like Rem said: "As human beings we have the ability to right our wrongs." She has very strict values on not endangering the planet or any environment. I really like her a lot. Okay, so we know Vash and Knives aren't human and Rem saved them (from what I could gather). It was so sweet seeing Rem give Vash that haircut. The spider and butterfly scene was pretty profound. Knives was right in some ways (the spider would starve), but Vash has displayed through the whole show, via his moral code of not killing, that you CAN save everyone. Knives mind-controlled people and got them to act chaotic, because he's a sociopath who disregards humanity and sees them as parasites. The ending was heartbreaking. |
| Okay so as they say, "plot thickening". But c'mon 16 episodes are a bit too much. Will keep in mind. Otoh, there has to be there guy who just wants "human instrumentality project 2.0". |
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| After this episode alot of things make more sense. I had a feeling that Vash and company were some sort of 'weapon' or experiment etc but the whole plot of them being aliens and from another planet etc was pretty much a surprise. |
| Rem was an insanely strong person. The only one who didn’t succumb to the hopeless reality. |
| "Vash, take care of Knives." |
 "...Is your mother worried? Would you like us to assign someone to worry your mother?" |
| I liked this one a lot, the mood between Vash's empathy vs Knives' apathy was so great. |
| Shit is finally getting real. |
| Seems like Knives became evil really randomly, lol. |
| Wow, I loved their backstory! I finally understand a bit more about Vash, the town, etc. Though Knives is a bad guy, he was pretty cool as a kid imo |
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 Took me three tries, but I managed to find where Kuroneko (Black Cat) was in this episode. Does this imply that Kuroneko is a seed too? |
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