Ai-no-Miko said: Usually if the art is something I have trouble getting around, for whatever reason, I take a lot of breaks. Usually they're breaks between episodes, but sometimes I have to pause right in the middle of one and walk away for a bit. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Oh boy. What kind of anime has such horrible art? Any examples? |
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If art/animation is not necessary, might as well read a novel or listen to picture drama. Or watch Monogatari, but only read the (flashing) texts. What I think is, story, art, and animation are equally necessary for an anime. But some people pay more attention to the story, some to other. Just like eating cake; some people want the texture of the cake to be perfect, but mind less of whether the cake taste sweet or a bit bland, and some people want their cake to have perfect sweetness, but doesn't really care whether the cake is very soft or a bit hard. Tl;dr, these three aspects are equally necessary, but their importance depends on the watcher. |
| I don't understand those who think art and animation isn't important in anime. If the story is what's important, and you truly mean what you say, you wouldn't be watching anime at all. You'd be reading the novel. Anime is a visual and audio medium. Acting like the very things which sets it apart from other mediums aren't important is ridiculous. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Ai-no-Miko said: Usually if the art is something I have trouble getting around, for whatever reason, I take a lot of breaks. Usually they're breaks between episodes, but sometimes I have to pause right in the middle of one and walk away for a bit. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Oh boy. What kind of anime has such horrible art? Any examples? It usually isn't anime that's known for a horrible art style per-say, it's just if I find the art style unusually distracting or hard to focus on. Believe it or not I had to do this with Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood the first time I watched it. The art and animation in that is gorgeous, but I think because it was somewhat brighter it was distracting and almost jarring at first, again probably because I wasn't used to it... Also, I really didn't like how they chose to do the hair at first, especially on Edward and an of the other blonds, I don't mind it now, but I was not a fan when I first started watching it. I know, it all sounds insane. |
| Simple. I don't. I tend to stay away from anime where I think the characters are ugly. Though, I don't think the Clannad characters look that bad, but that's just me. |
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Ai-no-Miko said: It usually isn't anime that's known for a horrible art style per-say, it's just if I find the art style unusually distracting or hard to focus on. Believe it or not I had to do this with Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood the first time I watched it. The art and animation in that is gorgeous, but I think because it was somewhat brighter it was distracting and almost jarring at first, again probably because I wasn't used to it... Also, I really didn't like how they chose to do the hair at first, especially on Edward and an of the other blonds, I don't mind it now, but I was not a fan when I first started watching it. I know, it all sounds insane. This makes sense. The color schemes should fit the anime. An art style that's too bright for no good reason feels awkward. |
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Swainy92 said: NateMKII said: No, anime is a medium that exists to tell a story, animation and art is just icing on top of the cake. The icing can help contribute to the overall cake, but it's not the cake. You eat the cake for the cake, not the icing. Cake metaphors off the charts! Seriously though, amazing art/animation is a bonus not a necessity. I completely agree with you.. and your cake. But CGI in anime=Shit on the cake dfhofse8agf89weurue8oguwekt9weuyer9yer0iyery89seiyjr89yu |
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| it genuinely makes me uncomfortable watching stuff like clannad and higurashi. like UNCOMFORTABLE. of course I gave it a chance but i literally just couldnt handle how uncomfortable i felt lmfao. |
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| To put it plainly, I don't. I stay clear of anime with crappy art styles as they distract me from the plot. |
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| i feel like i need to clear up the fact that i am just absolutely creeped out by key animations in general. like it makes me uncomfortable because whenever characters are extremely exaggerated and made to look so young even when they are not it reminds me of creepy ass pedophiles. japan is really creepy in that sense so thats probably why i cant keep those kinds of anime's down. i would suggest u have a look at my list to see what kind of shows im more geared towards. https://myanimelist.net/animelist/abelkoontz |
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| Exactly. i'm not about to sit through discomfort if i can just read a book. but i dont want to read a book, thats the whole poin.t lmfaooo Maz said: I don't understand those who think art and animation isn't important in anime. If the story is what's important, and you truly mean what you say, you wouldn't be watching anime at all. You'd be reading the novel. Anime is a visual and audio medium. Acting like the very things which sets it apart from other mediums aren't important is ridiculous. |
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| "How do you watch anime with horrible art style?" I don't. If my brain rejects the images my eyes are sendind to it, I simply drop and stay away. And I know an anime is more than animation and art styles and colors and that plot, development, etc are more relevant....but unfortunately when trying an anime for the first time, the art style is the FIRST thing you pay attention. And it most definetely plays a big role on your enjoyment level. If you feel uncomfortable with it, and after a couple of episodes you just can't get over it, what's the point of keep watching it? You're just being masochist. Maybe One Piece has a great story. But unfortunately for me it's art style and character designs are simply so horrid and annoying, that I have no interest in discovering that. |
| I either try to deal with it or drop it without thinking twice. You got it all wrong, man, the art was made like that on purpose, it's the anime I'm watching rn, and I've already read some chapters of the manga, I can assure you CLAMP wanted it like that, although maybe they overdid it a bit in your screenshots. abelkoontz said: it genuinely makes me uncomfortable watching stuff like clannad and higurashi. like UNCOMFORTABLE. of course I gave it a chance but i literally just couldnt handle how uncomfortable i felt lmfao. Studio DEEN knows a thing or two, but don't forget about stuff like Spice and Wolf which is definitely an animated masterpiece.  And who would forget about the derpy horse? (Jokes and animation aside, the show is good and it encouraged me to buy the original light novel). So yeah, depends on the situation. |
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| I don't. That's pretty much it. Art-style is important and it could very well break my immersion. I do have to say that my threshold for bad art-style is pretty high. |
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| The only show I've seen so far with an art style I couldn't stand was https://myanimelist.net/anime/23605/Ninja_Slayer_From_Animation I despise the look of it lol |
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| I hated Kemonozume's art. Now I am too hesitant to watch Tatami Galaxy and Ping Pong because of that. |
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| Seriously? If art was one of the criteria I base my judgement on, I most probably would have missed on watching some of the best shows out there. Besides "bad/good art" is a subjective concept. Take xxxHolic which was honorably mentioned for its "bad style", personally one of my fave animes and no I don't particularly find the art ghastly, just a bit funny in no bad meaning.... Art is something that strikes you only at the beginning and then with 2-3 episodes in you get used to it if you actually pay more attention to the story instead. |
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| art is important.... but good art doesnt necessary need to be pretty... |
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| Clannad ≠ horrible art /thread closed Serious answer: you don't. I'm willing to lower my sights a bit, if the story and characters are good. But if it's on the level of Aku no Hana, Simoun or Noein, it's practically impossible to watch it. |
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Enjyu said: Seriously? If art was one of the criteria I base my judgement on, I most probably would have missed on watching some of the best shows out there. Besides "bad/good art" is a subjective concept. Take xxxHolic which was honorably mentioned for its "bad style", personally one of my fave animes and no I don't particularly find the art ghastly, just a bit funny in no bad meaning.... Art is something that strikes you only at the beginning and then with 2-3 episodes in you get used to it if you actually pay more attention to the story instead. I can't ever forget about the part. After all, I'm watching a visual story. The story is told by the visuals. What about art styles that are dull and have no imagination in them? |
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| I don't. Not usually, anyways. To me, visuals is an important aspect of anime, seeing as it is a visual medium. It's kind of like not reading a book that has terrible grammar. Little mistakes, I can expect and tolerate. When it goes full Aku no Hana, I ain't got time for that shit. |
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| 'Art style meaning the way the characters are drawn'. Thank you, I wasnt completely sure what art style meant... And that is a completely biased statement. You could have a million different people and half could say something was bad and half could say it was awesome... |
Scooty-Bby said: 'Art style meaning the way the characters are drawn'. Thank you, I wasnt completely sure what art style meant... You'd be surprised as to just how many people here are ignorant to the actual definitions of these terms. |
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azoth212 said: I either try to deal with it or drop it without thinking twice. You got it all wrong, man, the art was made like that on purpose, it's the anime I'm watching rn, and I've already read some chapters of the manga, I can assure you CLAMP wanted it like that, although maybe they overdid it a bit in your screenshots. abelkoontz said: it genuinely makes me uncomfortable watching stuff like clannad and higurashi. like UNCOMFORTABLE. of course I gave it a chance but i literally just couldnt handle how uncomfortable i felt lmfao. Studio DEEN knows a thing or two, but don't forget about stuff like Spice and Wolf which is definitely an animated masterpiece. And who would forget about the derpy horse? (Jokes and animation aside, the show is good and it encouraged me to buy the original light novel). So yeah, depends on the situation. Just because something is intentional, doesn't mean it isn't bad. Clamps extreme noodle limbs are an eyesore. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Enjyu said: Seriously? If art was one of the criteria I base my judgement on, I most probably would have missed on watching some of the best shows out there. Besides "bad/good art" is a subjective concept. Take xxxHolic which was honorably mentioned for its "bad style", personally one of my fave animes and no I don't particularly find the art ghastly, just a bit funny in no bad meaning.... Art is something that strikes you only at the beginning and then with 2-3 episodes in you get used to it if you actually pay more attention to the story instead. I can't ever forget about the part. After all, I'm watching a visual story. The story is told by the visuals. What about art styles that are dull and have no imagination in them? True, the story is told by the visuals but is not dependent on them, is it? A prettily drawn anime doesn't guarantee the story will be good (and I can give more examples for that than for good visuals good story), and bad animation doesn't mean a bad anime either. Not really sure what you mean by "dull and no imagination", it all depends on the manga author/s how they want their characters to look like and again for me it doesn't change how much I enjoy the anime or manga if the plot is worth it. And just like with "bad / good" I think "dull" would also fall under the subjective roof. No one is asking you to forget the art, but do give it a chance, you might be surprised (for example I was really hesitant when I was recommended Kaiji because of the bizarre art but once I started watching I couldn't stop :D ) |
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| Clannad never weirded me out. If in any way, it just felt like a reminiscent of the 90s anime with those big-ass eyes. KyoAni did a great job making it little better IMO. I still at least appreciate different art styles. It's more about the consistency I'm concerned with and how it doesn't slowly melt away in front of my eyes like what happened to Jiggly Jiggly Heaven in the Shirobako universe.  azoth212 said: Studio DEEN knows a thing or two, but don't forget about stuff like Spice and Wolf which is definitely an animated masterpiece. And who would forget about the derpy horse? (Jokes and animation aside, the show is good and it encouraged me to buy the original light novel). So yeah, depends on the situation. I shouldn't have witness this myself too soon. This fucking made my day. xD |
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Enjyu said: TheBrainintheJar said: I can't ever forget about the part. After all, I'm watching a visual story. The story is told by the visuals. What about art styles that are dull and have no imagination in them? True, the story is told by the visuals but is not dependent on them, is it? A prettily drawn anime doesn't guarantee the story will be good (and I can give more examples for that than for good visuals good story), and bad animation doesn't mean a bad anime either. Not really sure what you mean by "dull and no imagination", it all depends on the manga author/s how they want their characters to look like and again for me it doesn't change how much I enjoy the anime or manga if the plot is worth it. And just like with "bad / good" I think "dull" would also fall under the subjective roof. No one is asking you to forget the art, but do give it a chance, you might be surprised (for example I was really hesitant when I was recommended Kaiji because of the bizarre art but once I started watching I couldn't stop :D ) 'It's subjective!" is never, ever an argument. The story is dependent on the art style, because how you draw a character affects how I view it. NHK would've worked better if it had a wacky style since the story is unrealistic and fantastical. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: 'It's subjective!" is never, ever an argument. The story is dependent on the art style, because how you draw a character affects how I view it. NHK would've worked better if it had a wacky style since the story is unrealistic and fantastical. Mind elaborating more on 2 things for me? What do you mean by "subjective is not an argument" when the concept of good and bad comes down to personal preference, perception and judgement and how exactly is the story related to the art? Like how does the plot change if the art is not "pretty"? It affects how YOU view it, if that is not what you call subjective then we might as well be speaking different languages |
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TheBrainintheJar said: 'It's subjective!" is never, ever an argument. The story is dependent on the art style, because how you draw a character affects how I view it. NHK would've worked better if it had a wacky style since the story is unrealistic and fantastical. Actually, it's is; especially concerning things as personal as art. While just saying it's subjective surely isn't an argument when speaking about how an aspect of a story is meant to invoke an emotional or intellectual response there is no single correct way of going about it. Better ways yes, but these things aren't not written in stone. As follows I strongly disagree about your opinion on NHK. I don't think, nor want, a story about depression and loneliness to be fantastic or wacky. If anything it would of taken away from the self reflection and pity the story was trying to invoke out of the viewer. Following that line of thought you'd want the show to be as pragmatic and faithful to Saito's situation as possible. Not to mention there was nothing in the plot that was supernatural or extraordinary in nature. |
| lel Fullmetal alchemist faces are worse than Clannad |
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| A while ago i would have responded "I dont" to this. For the longest time i absolutely rejected anime that had a bad art style. But then i got around to watching Madoka Magica. My first time watching Madoka Magica its art style almost made me sick. i stopped two episodes in because i just couldn't look at the characters anymore without thinking about how horribly they were drawn. Then, after a little while, and hearing all these people talk about madoka magica i decided i would give it another go, and i was sure glad i did. I would have missed out on a seriously good character if i had just skipped that anime. Nowdays, i look at artstyle as more of a comedic effect, if it looks bad and the story is good, then i can just laugh along with the animation while still enjoying the story. |
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LordLagann said: TheBrainintheJar said: 'It's subjective!" is never, ever an argument. The story is dependent on the art style, because how you draw a character affects how I view it. NHK would've worked better if it had a wacky style since the story is unrealistic and fantastical. Actually, it's is; especially concerning things as personal as art. While just saying it's subjective surely isn't an argument when speaking about how an aspect of a story is meant to invoke an emotional or intellectual response there is no single correct way of going about it. Better ways yes, but these things aren't not written in stone. As follows I strongly disagree about your opinion on NHK. I don't think, nor want, a story about depression and loneliness to be fantastic or wacky. If anything it would of taken away from the self reflection and pity the story was trying to invoke out of the viewer. Following that line of thought you'd want the show to be as pragmatic and faithful to Saito's situation as possible. Not to mention there was nothing in the plot that was supernatural or extraordinary in nature. Every intelligent person knows it's subjective. Saying it does nothing but waste your time and show you're afraid your opinion might be changed. The story of NHK IS fantastic and wacky - since we have conflicts solved in a single episode without build-up, hikkies who don't know porn exists and characters who are angels. Enjyu said: TheBrainintheJar said: 'It's subjective!" is never, ever an argument. The story is dependent on the art style, because how you draw a character affects how I view it. NHK would've worked better if it had a wacky style since the story is unrealistic and fantastical. Mind elaborating more on 2 things for me? What do you mean by "subjective is not an argument" when the concept of good and bad comes down to personal preference, perception and judgement and how exactly is the story related to the art? Like how does the plot change if the art is not "pretty"? It affects how YOU view it, if that is not what you call subjective then we might as well be speaking different languages If you hold an opinion on something, it's because of some reasoning. It can be deep, and it can be shallow - 'the characters in this anime is sexy and I had a good time looking at it'. The 'it's all subjective' argument doesn't explain why you think a show is good or not, what is your reasoning behind it. Even in pure sensory information like the taste of food we go deeper. People don't eat Snickers because 'it's all subjective' but because of the sensation it causes. Second, art isn't just pretty but has style that expresses things. Many shows use the art to express the personality of these characters. Ask yourself: Would you love the same anime if it were all stickmen? Moreover, if visuals don't matter, why not read books instead? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Every intelligent person knows it's subjective. Saying it does nothing but waste your time and show you're afraid your opinion might be changed. The story of NHK IS fantastic and wacky - since we have conflicts solved in a single episode without build-up, hikkies who don't know porn exists and characters who are angels. You say subjectivity is, and I quote, "never, ever an argument", then proceed to state how a character is drawn directly affects your interpretation of the story....? Clearly an argument can be made from subjectivity when you yourself claim that your personal view changes depending on whichever particular art styles is present. Their lack of vocabulary or understanding is irrelevant and it stands that they are technically correct when they say it's subjective. It may not be an argument, they might not even be trying to argue, but whether you find these people so pitiful you need to descend from your throne and grace them with unlimited knowledge is your prerogative. I'm just here to point out that's stupid if you haven't figured that out already. Your interpretation of NHK, and I use that word loosely because sarcasm is hard to detect online, is of a hikki NEET who meets an angle, discovers porn, and solves all his life's struggles in the total span of three episodes. If yes, haha; good one. If not, I question whether you've actually seen and or understood NHK in it's entirety. |
| Artstyle does matter. I do prefer certain character designs over others. I definitely love character designs that remind me of Gainex's character designs more than others. I typically don't like character designs that feel like the Moe copy-paste feeling. However, how do I get over it and enjoy it anyway? Well, simply just focus on the parts of the anime that are good. Shin-Chan has... unique art. lol. But the dub was rather hilarious and I had a good time and I think for me what mattered more for me with Shin-chan was... the characters and the humor. Love Live, which is a moe anime that is very moe moe in style to me, what mattered most to me was that the music was great and yes, music matters a LOT to me in anime, I will be attracted so heavily to an anime with fantastic music that sometimes it doesn't even matter if other things are good... if an anime has annoying sound... oh no that anime is getting a 4. As much as visuals bother a lot of people, I think bad music will bother me. There was this one anime that had to me, fine character design... Servamp, the animation was fine... but the story and the music especially were so terrible. I mean wow... what awful music. Revolutionary Girl Utena also stands out as a show with awful music. So even though I love the character design in both those shows... yeah I didn't like either. What is especially crazy about Utena in particular is that... Utena's story isn't even bad. It is seriously rated poorly because of music and characters being "off" in presentation. Because it was so heavy about political messages... it forgot that there were characters in my opinion. But I think I should rewatch it with the sound off. lol. I find I can deal with an artstyle I don't like or bad animation better than I can bad music or annoying voices or a character I hate. I can't even get passed the first few episodes of Rouni Kenshin because of the child character. I hated Outlaw Star... I struggled to finish Cowboy Bebop after Ed was introduced even though I loved everything else. And Bebop had fantastic music. Outlaw Star didn't aside from theme song. Which yes, I will rock out to I love that Yugioh has a unique character design so unique that you know exactly where the characters are from when you show someone a picture of a character even if they haven't seen the series the Yugioh character is from. That is just how Yugioh every character is. |
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Jonouchi-Katsuya said: Revolutionary Girl Utena also stands out as a show with awful music. Whaaaaaaat? The music in Utena is definitely weird, but that's the first time I hear someone saying it's "awful". It usually gets a lot of praise. I dislike some tracks (the OP and ED, and the third arc's duel themes are not my cup of tea), but damn girl... *lights a joint* that's some catchy shit ;3 |
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Kuma said: i love how people that saying "art doesn't metter" is usually the one that screaming "Generic character design!!" first... well, that's none of my business anyways... but designs and general art style are two different things. |
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Pullman said: Kuma said: i love how people that saying "art doesn't metter" is usually the one that screaming "Generic character design!!" first... well, that's none of my business anyways... but designs and general art style are two different things. character design is part of overall art representation from a series... but art is not only about character design... but still, character design is part of overall art in a series, so complain to character design is pretty much belong compalin to art as well... |
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