YayaChibi said: yes, himouto manga is sold more than 100K per volume IIRC. it's already semi mainstream.Kuma said: do u need to explain every little thing? ab, sakurasou, sailo moon, k-on, ookami kodomo, NGNL, himouto, most of your high rank in your list is mainstream as well. Ookami Kondomo Ame to Yuki I enjoyed. Sailor Moon I haven't seen since I was 4. I hardly remember the anime. I based my score off of what I remember from it. K-on I don't remember either because I was 6 when I saw it. Is Himouto! Umaru-chan even mainstream? And if you want to get your point across then yes, you do have to explain things. |
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YayaChibi said: anime sold more than 6K which is already twice of manabi line. it's pretty mainstream. but manga is much more easy to be indicator of popularity since they are the original source and manga is much more popular than anime in general. also manga industries is more friendly to common people.Kuma said: yes, himouto manga is sold more than 100K per volume IIRC. it's already semi mainstream. I knew the manga was mainstream in Japane but I was wondering about the anime. |
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Dort said: Well i think this is not fair, you are valuating the movie for what is not intended to be, what you expect from a movie like F&F? Deep philosophy or politcs? the genre has little to do with the quality of the writing and underlying themes. Terminator is an extremely popular license and has much more to say about human nature than F&F. Just like some ecchis are good while other are just mindless boobfests. |
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| Kind of like in the other thread about "older vs newer" it just depends really sometimes an unpopular anime is like wow and the popular one meh, or reversed. |
Kuma said: YayaChibi said: wut?Again like I said. Isn't mainstream anime mainstream because it is good? There is a portion that is mainstream because it is bad. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1404272&show=500#msg45049731 YayaChibi said: In my opinion most mainstream anime IS MAINSTREAM because it is bad. "Most anime is mainstream because it is bad" is reverse Bandwagon Fallacy. It goes both ways - popularity isn't proof of quality or lack of quality. Sure, you need some tings for mass appeal, especially accessability. Popular anime are often more accessible and perhaps not as weird, but it doesn't automatically make them bad. Even if they're not worthy of the hype - Death Note is no masterpiece - they can still be good. |
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Clebardman said: Dort said: Well i think this is not fair, you are valuating the movie for what is not intended to be, what you expect from a movie like F&F? Deep philosophy or politcs? the genre has little to do with the quality of the writing and underlying themes. Terminator is an extremely popular license and has much more to say about human nature than F&F. Just like some ecchis are good while other are just mindless boobfests. What does that have to do with fast and the furious, which is about fast cars?? Lol |
keragamming said: Clebardman said: the genre has little to do with the quality of the writing and underlying themes. Terminator is an extremely popular license and has much more to say about human nature than F&F. Just like some ecchis are good while other are just mindless boobfests. What does that have to do with fast and the furious, which is about fast cars?? Lol And Terminator is (not) about robots. FLCL is (not) about robots. I could go on. Just because your goal is to entertain doesn't mean you have to make something stupid. But you're right, Fast & Furious, on the other hand, is totally about meh actors driving ugly cars at insane speeds. Damn, I just saw the last Avengers movie, it was shit but at least it had some clear underlying themes (It took the Terminator/Frankenstein basic premise and turned it into a critic of the american's foreign policy, and drones.) If that movie can do it, F&F can. But that would mean actually taking a stance on something, with the risk of narrowing the target audience. Not going to happen lol. |
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| Nothing wrong with mainstream anime, some of them are actually good while there's also an obscure anime that is bad. |
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| Although MOST mainstream anime are not really that good i don't judge my shows based on their popularity,i judge them on how good they are |
aureate-chan said: if something is mainstream, its because a lot of people like it. if a lot of people like it, it should be good right? even though sometimes a lot of people like animes full of shit. we have exceptions for everything. we shouldnt generalize stuff. Bandwagon fallacy. A lot of people thinking something doesn't prove anything. Most people aren't experts in the things they have an opinion about. |
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SonosheeChan said: What a stupid question...obviously not! There are many great mainstream anime such as FMAB, Baccano, Cowboy Bebop, Fate/Zero etc. Those two aren't mainstream. Especially Baccano. |
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| It's no better or worse than non-mainstream anime... just more popular. |
SonosheeChan said: Both of those have 300,000+ users on MAL...do you even know what mainstream? What proper anime fan hasn't heard of those two? Fate got a good amount of buzz when UBW was airing but it never got as huge as KLK or FMA, the average anime fan wouldn't even know what it is if you brought it up in conversation. Baccano has a cult following in the west but it was a known flop and never got half as popular as Durarara or other big Aniplex titles. |
Kaimon said: dude, i don't know waht you are smoking, but fate/zero is based one of most succesful vn up to date. not to mention their average disc sale more than 50k disc sales. how the fuck they are not popular? for compariosn, klk "only" sell around 11 k. i don't know how much baccano light novel has which is more important than anime, but baccano disc sales is not bad around 3k. maybe @Zefyris know something since he ln reader. but they are popular enough to get game adapatation, that's for sure.SonosheeChan said: Both of those have 300,000+ users on MAL...do you even know what mainstream? What proper anime fan hasn't heard of those two? Fate got a good amount of buzz when UBW was airing but it never got as huge as KLK or FMA, the average anime fan wouldn't even know what it is if you brought it up in conversation. Baccano has a cult following in the west but it was a known flop and never got half as popular as Durarara or other big Aniplex titles. |
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Kuma said: not to mention their average disc sale more than 50k disc sales. how the fuck they are not popular? for comparison, klk "only" sell around 11 k.. I'm primarily talking about the US. |
Kaimon said: us populaity doesn't mean shit. even european more care about anime than america.Kuma said: not to mention their average disc sale more than 50k disc sales. how the fuck they are not popular? for comparison, klk "only" sell around 11 k.. I'm primarily talking about the US. |
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Kuma said: Kaimon said: dude, i don't know waht you are smoking, but fate/zero is based one of most succesful vn up to date. not to mention their average disc sale more than 50k disc sales. how the fuck they are not popular? for compariosn, klk "only" sell around 11 k. i don't know how much baccano light novel has which is more important than anime, but baccano disc sales is not bad around 3k. maybe @Zefyris know something since he ln reader. but they are popular enough to get game adapatation, that's for sure.Fate got a good amount of buzz when UBW was airing but it never got as huge as KLK or FMA, the average anime fan wouldn't even know what it is if you brought it up in conversation. Baccano has a cult following in the west but it was a known flop and never got half as popular as Durarara or other big Aniplex titles. Funny you're mentionning my name with baccano and sales, since a few minutes before I was just talking about the baccano's novels' sales. baccano's LN is a failure sales wise. It's bellow 5k it seems nowadays whereas look at Durarara sales. Durarara is very successful. The difference is so big that we're stuck at volume 21 of baccano since more than 2 years and half with no word of the author. We're only a few volumes away from the end of baccano but I'm starting to think we'll never see it. Author is publishing durarara and fate/strange fake volumes and don't seem to care about baccano any more. We just got the new volumes list for dengeki bunko for May, and another fate/strange fake from him and still nothing for baccano. volume 21 was published in october 2013. May 2016, and still no news of volume 22. We're stuck in a cliffhanger in the middle of the climax arc of the main time period of baccano. So we're not even stuck in between two arc, mind you. And it's not just any arc, it's the climax arc (1935 arc). If the author/Editor wanted to say a bigger "fuck you there's not enough of you lots" to the fans who continued to support that series, that would be difficult imo. So yeah, baccano doesn't sell. At all. And it's goign to sell even less now that the author is not writing them lol. either 0 if he doesn't write a new one, or less than it was selling before since long pause like that are usually very bad for sales. |
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| The thread is about popularity within the western anime community. I don't think something is mainstream if it doesn't get recognize by non-anime fans. Baccano and F/Z definitely don't. Baccano is not popular in Japan either. Durarara overshadows it. |
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Zefyris said: that's very sad to heard for fans. lol. and some pople still asking for baccano sequel.....Kuma said: dude, i don't know waht you are smoking, but fate/zero is based one of most succesful vn up to date. not to mention their average disc sale more than 50k disc sales. how the fuck they are not popular? for compariosn, klk "only" sell around 11 k. i don't know how much baccano light novel has which is more important than anime, but baccano disc sales is not bad around 3k. maybe @Zefyris know something since he ln reader. but they are popular enough to get game adapatation, that's for sure. Funny you're mentionning my name with baccano and sales, since a few minutes before I was just talking about the baccano's novels' sales. baccano's LN is a failure sales wise. It's bellow 5k it seems nowadays whereas look at Durarara sales. Durarara is very successful. The difference is so big that we're stuck at volume 21 of baccano since more than 2 years and half with no word of the author. We're only a few volumes away from the end of baccano but I'm starting to think we'll never see it. Author is publishing durarara and fate/strange fake volumes and don't seem to care about baccano any more. We just got the new volumes list for dengeki bunko for May, and another fate/strange fake from him and still nothing for baccano. volume 21 was published in october 2013. May 2016, and still no news of volume 22. We're stuck in a cliffhanger in the middle of the climax arc of the main time period of baccano. So we're not even stuck in between two arc, mind you. And it's not just any arc, it's the climax arc (1935 arc). If the author/Editor wanted to say a bigger "fuck you there's not enough of you lots" to the fans who continued to support that series, that would be difficult imo. So yeah, baccano doesn't sell. At all. And it's goign to sell even less now that the author is not writing them lol. either 0 if he doesn't write a new one, or less than it was selling before since long pause like that are usually very bad for sales. tsudecimo said: wait, fate/zero not booming in western? that's new for me to hear since ubw has big fuss... so i though zero are same. The thread is about popularity within the western anime community. I don't think something is mainstream if it doesn't get recognize by non-anime fans. Baccano and F/Z definitely don't. Baccano is not popular in Japan either. Durarara overshadows it. op not mention which popularity thou. just popularity in general. |
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| Not really ,I enjoy watching mainstream anime... |
| to making fun. what else? act like they dislikes something popular in order to look smart, cool, and different my thought about mainstream anime: it's not that bad, but there's few titles that i dislike |
| When I talk about anime irl people usually say that ''I should watch better anime'' or that ''I have shit taste''. I just wanted to ask you guys: I just like those shows, I can't do anything about it XD. It's my taste so what's wrong with liking certain anime. So what's wrong about liking mainstream anime? and is it wrong? |
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| Is it wrong to like what you like? That should be obivious af. Also, mainstream anime is mainstream for a reason. It appeals to a big audience. |
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| Yes, it is wrong to like mainstream anime; if you like anything that is not niche and unknown, you are, by default, a pleb. |
| As long as you don't drop the gun and bashin' people around you... |
| I want to be a cool guy like Date Yutaka so i only watch (actually) mainstream anime like Sazae San |
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| Well I wouldn't say that there's anything wrong with it per say... Just that it makes you an irredeemable casual. |
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| No, nothing's wrong with it. It's your taste, taste is subjective blah blah blah. @TheDeadApostle How does it? |
| There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that you can usually find something you'll like better if you explore. Why watch hundreds of episodes week by week when there are thousands of options that could appeal to you more? |
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| they are more entertaining than some shitty unpopular ones |
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Fang said: No, nothing's wrong with it. It's your taste, taste is subjective blah blah blah. @TheDeadApostle How does it? Don't pay attention to me. I'm just shitposting. |
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| It is not just wrong. It is an atrocity. |
| yes watching mainstream is bad, and you should feeel bad |
| N.etorare T.echnical R.esearcher |
| Well technically it is not wrong but it is indeed a sin. |
| Nope, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion. Doesn't mean that what you like is good though, I've mostly watched mainstream stuff so far and I only found a handful of it good. |
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| Mainstream anime are usually popular because they're fairly good, I don't see anything wrong with liking good shows. I don't think one should limit themselves to just popular mainstream stuff though, you can also find good stuff by wandering off the beaten path too. |
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| Don't worry about it. You're already a filthy pleb if you watch anime |
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| Mainstream are popular for a reason. Of course, there are some series that may or maybe not better, but mainstream series are actually good or are charismatic enough to keep you watching/reading them. |
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