| Is this even a question? It's obvious that Sunshine gets a much better production from a better budget coming off the success of Muse. That didn't save Sunshine from being totally unoriginal with bad writing. The Original had its faults (forced drama, bad cgi), but it was about starting from literally nothing and going to the top and Muse did just that both in the anime and in reality. Sunshine's characters aren't unlikable, they just don't have the same chemistry as Muse, but this is more of a personal taste and a no season 2 yet thing. The Original however did have more touching moments in its story and better member inductions. Sunshine has objectively worse writing with mediocre new member moments and story progression, which I will get to below. Just compare with how for the majority of Sunshine "who is Kanan?" was the joke while the Original had all nine of them appearing and playing roles consistently. The forced drama was kept as we just saw with the third year's home-brewed drama. Sunshine began at a bad time. The producers ended Muse in a bold move, but then they were forced, either by themselves, higher ups or investors, to start the next group while the Love Live franchise was still at its peak of success and also at a time when all the fans were still hung onto Muse and the disbandment. So instead of detaching Aquors from Muse, every major development of Sunshine referred to Muse. This appeasement of the fans really prevents anyone from taking Aquors as an original, stand-alone group. The Muse catering is also ironic when Muse themselves never appear due to reasons but their merch and everything are still everywhere. What is Sunshine/Aquors? To be like Muse. Even the rumor of the school closing refers to Muse. Superficially Aquors may seem better but it has no depth that Muse had which gave Muse its success. When you have to refer to the Original for everything you can't be better or stand beside the Original. |
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| I like how at the beginning of the thread people tried to compare 2 seasons + movie + multiple drama CDs + other stuff in 6 years vs 2 PVs + 1-3 episodes. Wait until at least season one finishes, geez... |
| The original is obviously the better crafted story from start to finish, but its not a easy series to live up to. Could they really have satisfied fans of the original with a totally brand new story like Idolmaster Cinderella Girls tried to do? Odds are no, but they certainly did not try either. They took the safe route. I think they made the right choice in making it very similar to the original, but with a new cast and theme, while making general improvements to the core of the series aka the music and character design. Sunshine and the original are heavily intertwined because of this, unlike what Cinderella Girls did to Idolmaster.(Created two mostly unconnected series that are the exact same subject matter but under a different name for essentially no reason other then the lack of quality and fan connection with Cinderella Girls) This is Love Live, they know that and embraced it and really the core Love Live fanbase has too. I think people overblow the original, and try and water down Sunshine. I dont find the characters to be clones, similarities and throwbacks to group dynamic from the original are certainly there but to be honest its just not a big deal. The characters are lovable, its fun, the drama has been fine for the scenario at hand I think its a great addition to the Love Live universe because its so similar to the original, yet not at all, which is clear by a lot of peoples disdain. I see it as the desert to the hearty meal that was the original Love Live, and deserts are optional. |
Diasparkle said: As for the whole Chika vs Honoka, Chika wins for me. I felt like Honoka was too desperate and a bit controlling? I didn't really feel bad during Honoka's breakdown but again fuzzy memory of LL. I like how Chika knew that swimming was You's thing and didn't force You to join and You decided to join for her own reasons (and they might be one of the most adorable childhood duos). Chika's breakdown was resolved better but I guess I just didn't feel like there had to be a long drama for that. I prefer the way Sunshine handles conflicts. Especially the piano conflict of episode 10 and 11. Though I suppose it would be sort of equivalent to the Kotori drama? I agreed with pretty much every aspect of the post. Especially this. I honestly feel bad for people who think Chika is a Honoka clone, there is so much more to her. The focus on comparing these two all the time often turns into talking about how many flaws Honoka has which I feel is just a bonus credit to the original series because its what made it so great. Honoka was not perfect at all but she realistic did inspire and rally the group, while just being human. Chika looks a lot like her, and they both share that super determination but they are really quite very different but I find Chika to be the funner and more interesting of the two. |
| Everything is better in Sunshine: the songs(Dreamer becoming one of my favorite song of all time), the characters(they have a more interesting characterization) and the 3d is nice to look at. |
| Sunshine. My biggest problem with LL was that for an anime so focused on characters, I found none likeable. Umi was pathetic, Honoka annoying, Niko ridiculous and the rest had almost no presence or personality. Forming the group felt forced and the characters were very artificial. I enjoyed LL but I felt like it was more about going after dreams than characters even though the plot didn't really emphasise it (saving school was the primary goal, reaching LL secondary). It just felt like it could have been much more in every aspect. As for Sunshine, I love the characters, they feel more real and the group seems less forced and more natural. Conflicts are solved in a realistic mature way instead of drama and the whole thing is about following dreams and figuring out what they really want. Though, I do find songs in Sunshine lacing compared to original but I truly started enjoying those in second season so judging it here might be a bit unfair. |
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| I think it's unfair to compare them this early on. We have 2 seasons + movie for SIP when Sunshine is yet to finish its S1; we don't even know if we'll have more than 2 seasons. No matter how much you'll deny it, you'll have biases which will render you unable to give an objective opinion on the matter. But what can we expect from Sunshine? Better overall production quality. The animation has been solid; excluding the CGs, better authors to handle the storyboard and a bigger budget on music production. In terms of characters and music, it all comes down to subjectivity; it'll really be hard to provide objective points that'll do well with everyone. For example, some people here are claiming that Aqours is a carbon copy; I fully disagree. While there are similarities, it's apparent for me that the writers made sure to make them unique on their own. And with Sunshine's ep 12, that idea got more reinforced. They aren't simply chasing after muse which most of us claim initially. But think about it, would it better for the franchise to put these 2 together against each other? Or would it be better for fans to like them both on equal terms? |
julyanSep 23, 2016 4:28 PM
| Still the Original. The Original has Kotori (・8・) |
| Without original there is no sunshine |
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| C'mon, what's with all this hate to Honoka? I still prefer having 9 honks as Aquors members rather than a single Chika in it. At least they won't make me cringe as much. After watching the Final Live concert, it will always be Muse all the way. |
| Greatest anime recap of all time. Check it out TL;DR Sunshine!! is the result of the creators' self-worthiness wanking and original > Sunshine cowoknakal said: Yeah, what's up with all the hate for Honoka? I mean, she was pretty bland, but Chika is just a copy + paste of Honoka and Nico with an ADHD twistC'mon, what's with all this hate to Honoka? I still prefer having 9 honks as Aquors members rather than a single Chika in it. At least they won't make me cringe as much. After watching the Final Live concert, it will always be Muse all the way. |
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| Well I have to say the original. Sunshine never worked on me simply because what worked on me with the original was the characters. And well here I barely can stand any of them, especially Chika who is just cringe worthy to me. I know she is kinda like Honoka but I dunno Honoka way was less annoying to me. The only character I liked was You otherwise the rest of the cast was a bunch of boring expy of the original, even the plot was basically the same so yea no its not because the animation is a tad better that I will be more kind with the show its still a mere copy past to me. Rated it 5/10. |
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cowoknakal said: I still prefer having 9 honks as Aquors members rather than a single Chika in it. At least they won't make me cringe as much. 100% agree with this. |
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Comic_Sans said: Yeah, what's up with all the hate for Honoka? I mean, she was pretty bland, but Chika is just a copy + paste of Honoka and Nico with an ADHD twist Ikr, faito-dayo ftw. |
| So having finished the series (what a ride) and having re watched the first season of the original at the same time, I feel like elements of sunshine could have been better, for example the whole third year trio thing I feel like could be adapted into an OVA as a side story. Also with sunshine, being teased with Step! Zero to One was a bit annoying but I still love their music. In regards to the original, I feel like the story telling was better in the first season as compared to support shine, but again the music was not a great. There was a since of urgency to keep the school open while in sunshine they just kinda did what ever. I feel like the original was more focused around the school while sunshine was supposed to be focused around the members and their sturggles Over all, I can appreciate both and praying for a second season of sunshine. Also in regards to all the honoka/chika hate, I am indifferent towards both.. |
Denmark-ChanSep 25, 2016 8:01 AM
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| Anime wise, I like SS better. The character development is much better here than the original. Though it's been quite a while since i saw the original, so take everything I'll say with a grain of salt. I watched the first season of the original for no good reason, and I didn't really enjoyed it. The pacing was weird and the characters felt kinda flat and one dimensional. Some of the main cast didn't even get a proper character development in the first season, iirc. Though i did play SIF so i got a lot more attached to the characters through that. Aqours felt a much more fleshed out, and all the members got enough development so that i actually cared about them by the end of the season. Of course I'm not gonna love all the characters, but everyone probably has that one member they don't really care about. I just don't like Chuunis and Rice Maniacs, but that's just personal preference really. The original's first season ended on a sour note for me with μ's getting disqualified just so that there'll be a second season. Well at least that's that's how I felt. Aqours ended their's in a much better way in my opinion, in which they're amidst the competition and continuing the rest of the competition next season is the next logical step. By not focusing on the competition too much, they got plenty of time to develop their characters as well. The characters feels different enough that they never felt like a μ's clone at all. Of course some of the Aqours girls fills the same role as some of the μ's girls, but It's not enough to annoy me. My major gripe with SS is the "Saving the school" motive. That's way too lazy in my book. 9 girls trying to stop their school from shutting down by becoming school idols. That's μ's (μ's's?) thing. Thankfully their other motives are to not live an ordinary life (at least Chika) and to show that their beloved town is much better than what people might think. Luckily those other motives are shown much more than the "Saving the school" one, but just a mention of it ticks me off. As for the mention of μ's and the franchise stroking it's own ego bit, I don't really mind it. They never glorify μ's so much that it felt too much for me and Aqours being inspired to be school idols because of μ's actually works decently. I could understand if other people felt that Aqours is piggybacking off μ's, but I never felt that way. SS has overall better music (personal preference), better art, and better CGI animations. But those are to be expected with the much bigger budget and all. Overall, Love Live, to me, is a franchise that keeps getting better with each newly introduced series up till now. LLSS>LLMOVIE>LL2>LL1. With all that said, I love both series equally. |
HarotarosSep 28, 2016 9:55 PM
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| I can't really decide because for me muse has way better songs but sunshine has better characters. Sunshine's song are good but it's not muse's level imo. I think I'll wait for LL Sunshine S2 and then I'll choose which team is better. |
| To be honest I didn't really wanted to start on Sunshine at first because all of the characters looked like lovechildren from some of the original love live characters. But boy did that change!! To be frank I found the original Love Live anime to be extremely boring and while I came to actually like Rin (I started off by playing the School Idol Festival App and didn't really like her) I came to hate Honoka like there was no tomorrow! To be honest she's extremely Mary Sue and bugged me a lot u-u... While some of the characters had some complexes and flaws she never really had any except that she simply just 'wanted to do a good job too much' and that annoyed me till the very end. Also! It was ALWAYS Honoka pulling the rest of the group up! So when I saw Chika and saw that she admired Honoka I felt like giving up on this anime the moment I started... but for some reason I stayed... And I honestly think it was just to see Yohane. But as the anime got more episodes, things started to change. As things didn't really went all that well for them Chika came to show some of her frustrations and hidden thoughts! We came to learn that Chika do in fact worry a lot about the fact that it didn't really go all that well for them and that she do get frustrated like the rest of them! And we got to know that she feels a responsibility to be happy and positive no matter how bad things goes because she's the one who started the group. She got to show so many sides of herself which actually made me come to even LIKE her! (Which is HUGE knews cause I honestly started off hating her!) Also! It bugged me so much that everything always went so easily for the original Love Live group and I found it to be very refreshing that things didnt really go all that well for the Aqours group! I also really liked that it had a pretty even mix of chika pulling the group up and the group pulling chika up! The characters felt a lot more even with each other that way and that was truely really refreshing! Also! Song wise I like Aqours better. I think their voices compliment each other a lot better and there's not really anyone who I think sings all that badly < 3 So long story short. I really think that the original Love Live anime is nowhere near as good as the Love Live Sunshine anime is! I really think that they learned a lot from the original Love Live anime! Be it both Story, characters and songwise! (With that said. I still really do like Kotori, Hanayo, Nico and Rin < 3) Sorry if my english sounds a bit strange uvu' And sorry if I sounded rude! |
Kitty-RenemiSep 25, 2016 12:16 PM
| Why not both. Loyal fan should support both. |
| Unquestionably the original, though it's far closer than I thought it would be after the first three episodes of Sunshine!! Yes, Sunshine!! reuses a lot of plot elements from the original. Surprise, it's also about a girl who seeks to emulate µ’s and ultimately realizes that she can't seek to emulate them if she actually wants to do so. There's no way the people who made this didn't do all the rehashing intentionally - episode 12 all but admitted that it was deliberate. What seemed initially to be about following in the footsteps of success turned out to be a gradual process of breaking out of that mold. Ultimately I think the show was successful at that transition - it ends up addressing some of the same topics in slightly different ways that complimented the original. For instance, the end of season 1 from the original has µ’s dealing with a group member leaving - Aquors deals with that as well. Twice. There's a different result all three times. That sort of specificity makes both Sunshine! and the original seem more real to me - it's about people living their lives. The answer isn't always the same. On top of that, very few shows have made me feel trolled. After episodes 11 and 12 of Love Live! Sunshine!! I definitely felt that way, and I liked it. Troll me again, Sunrise. I definitely like the original more though. Though it could probably stand on its' own, this is a sequel in that my favorite aspects of it rely on the existence of the first Love Live anime. I liked what they turned the plot recycling into, but it might have been excessive at times anyways. The characters were all likeable, but I felt the original did a better job of handling them evenly. I don't feel like I know Kanan at all after watching Sunshine!!, for instance, but I'm definitely attached to even the blandest member of µ’s, Kotori, because of the anime. Also, Chika isn't as good as Honoka and there is nobody in Sunshine! that really serves as her Umi. I'm glad there's someone who looks at this similarly; the "dessert" comparison is pretty good. However, I really don't think they took the safe route, because of how close they trod the line between "ripoff" and "good sequel." Part of what I like about the original is the way the story is "crafted," especially in the first season. It basically is just another character-focused show about a club of girls doing silly stuff, but it has a certain structure to it that, while perhaps not necessary, was enjoyable. The hardest thing Honoka ever deals with is believing that everything she had done was simply a nuisance to the people she cared about most. I guess if you didn't pick up on that and thought the drama at the ending of the first season was just over her getting sick, it would probably seem overblown. Incidentally, the character writing at that part of the original is pretty similar to Chika's scenario. It's the one time Honoka really gives up and she only realizes she was wrong because everyone else is there for her. It doesn't quite take the first time through, either; she is still trying to play it safe at the start of the 2nd season despite literally everyone telling her, to her face, that what they really want is to go for it. It gave the impression that she's someone who thinks about and struggles with her issues, rather than just magically learning the lesson the first time and instinctively being able to understand how to live according to that lesson. She is still trying to promote the good and overcome the bad aspects of her fearless optimism. You know, like a real person. |
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| The original anime is much better IMO. It felt like the charcters worked really hard and the anime actually showed them always preparing and practicing for their performances while in sunshine the characters do nothing and are able to perform somehow. It's like the whole core of the show happens off camera in sunshine. The original also has the best characters. Though I think sunshine has a larger number of likable characters. At least the setting in sunshine is better than the original. These seaside towns are pretty nice. |
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HaXXspetten said: There's a bit of a problem with that logic.Sunshine is copying way too much from the original to be as impactful. While I guess you might argue that that way you know exactly what you're getting and that the diehard LL fans are pretty much guaranteed to like Sunshine too, it still severely suffers from lack of originality in the process. As a result I have a much harder time enjoying this compared to the main series That, and also the characters in Sunshine feel very shallow somehow Since you don't see the appeal you're basically assuming people like Sunshine as much as they do because they're fans of Love Live in general. Would I be correct in assuming that? Honestly I think that's really selling the show short given how much it has going for it that the original series didn't. I have to admit that it wasn't until Season 2 that I really got into Love Live so I basically just viewed Season 1 as a fun little seasonal distraction. A great series for sure, nothing I'd go out and waste a buttload of money on though. But even now that I've gone back and re-watched it with my current mindset I can't say Season 1 was all that great aside from a few really good scenes. Also BOY OH BOY was the drama towards the end forced. On the other hand, I thought Sunshine was absolutely phenomenal. Not because it has what made me love the original, but because it has a ton of unique strengths that the original series doesn't have. And I can't say I expected that from Sunshine. |
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| Does sunshine has Umi? Nope? ok moving on. -Mastergold |
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| I think both have thier pros and cons. I enjoy both very much. I was sad when with the 4.0 update of the app, Muse dissapeared for real *sadface* |
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| I love both, but I like Sunshine more. Though I could be biased cause Arisa voices Dia(Yoko Usamiiiii *~* ) but I just adore Sunshine, the music, and the characters. Yes, the repetitive mentioning of u's does get slightly annoying, but if you look past that, Sunshine is pretty good. Chika realizes she wants to become an idol because she got inspired by, lo and behold, u's. And yes, the whole "saving the school by being idols" thing isn't exactly original anymore, but ehh, it kinda makes sense I guess?? Their town isn't exactly big, and neither is their school, so you gotta cut them a bit of slack there. |
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Kitty-Renemi said: To be honest I didn't really wanted to start on Sunshine at first because all of the characters looked like lovechildren from some of the original love live characters. But boy did that change!! To be frank I found the original Love Live anime to be extremely boring and while I came to actually like Rin (I started off by playing the School Idol Festival App and didn't really like her) I came to hate Honoka like there was no tomorrow! To be honest she's extremely Mary Sue and bugged me a lot u-u... While some of the characters had some complexes and flaws she never really had any except that she simply just 'wanted to do a good job too much' and that annoyed me till the very end. Also! It was ALWAYS Honoka pulling the rest of the group up! So when I saw Chika and saw that she admired Honoka I felt like giving up on this anime the moment I started... but for some reason I stayed... And I honestly think it was just to see Yohane. But as the anime got more episodes, things started to change. As things didn't really went all that well for them Chika came to show some of her frustrations and hidden thoughts! We came to learn that Chika do in fact worry a lot about the fact that it didn't really go all that well for them and that she do get frustrated like the rest of them! And we got to know that she feels a responsibility to be happy and positive no matter how bad things goes because she's the one who started the group. She got to show so many sides of herself which actually made me come to even LIKE her! (Which is HUGE knews cause I honestly started off hating her!) Also! It bugged me so much that everything always went so easily for the original Love Live group and I found it to be very refreshing that things didnt really go all that well for the Aqours group! I also really liked that it had a pretty even mix of chika pulling the group up and the group pulling chika up! The characters felt a lot more even with each other that way and that was truely really refreshing! Also! Song wise I like Aqours better. I think their voices compliment each other a lot better and there's not really anyone who I think sings all that badly < 3 So long story short. I really think that the original Love Live anime is nowhere near as good as the Love Live Sunshine anime is! I really think that they learned a lot from the original Love Live anime! Be it both Story, characters and songwise! (With that said. I still really do like Kotori, Hanayo, Nico and Rin < 3) Sorry if my english sounds a bit strange uvu' And sorry if I sounded rude! I couldn't have said it better myself. Thinking back, Honoka did seem like she was trying too hard in having u's be perfect, and her only flaws did seem like "Am I not good enough?? Are we not good enough?? We gotta try harder!" I mean, I like her, but overall she is kinda bland. I love the fact that in Sunshine the girls hit reality hard with the fact that it'll take SO MUCH to go from zero to one. My memory might be fuzzy but I don't recall u's ever being hit with reality that hard?? I also noticed how everyone in Aquors help each other, not just leader helping everyone kinda deal. I love the bond between everyone in Sunshine. I'm also glad that the characters are indeed different from the originals(there are some similarities, but there's no doubt that the Aquors girls are not the u's girls). Music wise, I really, really love the music in Sunshine. I adore the music in the original as well, but not as much. Both the OP themes are amazing, but Jumping Heart just seems more upbeat to me. And the visuals for their performances are definitely a step up. I still have yet to finish the second season to the original, but I'll probably do that soon. I'm also hoping for a second season of Sunshine. |
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| Sunshine has cuter girls so Sunshine for me I still adore Kotori and Nozomi though |
| Sunshine is just basically the recycled part of Love Live... I'd still choose the original because, Honoka is cute, Nico is cute and Maki is just so fap material... To be honest, I want to see a different "alternative setting" of Love Live, whereas, Eri's imouto will be the MC... |
| Original, Sunshine has many aspects of just being a copy-cat of it |
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Sakurai-sama said: Original, Sunshine has many aspects of just being a copy-cat of it I think we already know that, is the reason why it is just an "alternative setting". |
Sakurai-sama said: I think it's better to look at it from a different perspective and not just the copied story. Like does the show have more likeable characters? or is the drama no as forced as the first season of love live? or is it more fun to watch than the first? Lots of people tend to not enjoy Sunshine because of their mentality like yours. I'm not saying love live is better but you should look at it from a different perspective.Original, Sunshine has many aspects of just being a copy-cat of it |
Don't worry dude, I get you... xD I just think that it is somewhat pointless in the beginning why consider such things... I mean I fapped to both series... xD So... what matter at the end? |
| The original and it's not even a contest |
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| Yoshiko Tsushima is the reason why I enjoyed Sunshine more. |
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zurichtime said: For me, i like the original ones. I'm trying to like Sunshine, but every episode of it reminds me of u's. I actually hope the writers to be more creative and exepriment more with the chara's personalities. Aquor's girls design are cute and likeable, but the personalities are mix of the u's personalities. I have to agree to some people that the show doesn't have identity. I know this is franchise, so there would be some similarity with the original. But that doesn't have to be "almost" copying plot and the girls personalities. Sunshine is better in terms of CG and performance. For music, i still prefers u's. Aquor's songs are bland except for the OP and ED. I'm 9 episodes in, and I have to agree with this and quoting it cause summarizes my point of view. On top of that, the show doesn't empahsize or show in short segments the training sessions and hardworking part (aside from the first episodes) that go along with the drama and character development which if shown can make you appreciate their performance more. |
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