The United Nations human rights chief on Monday accused U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of spreading "humiliating racial and religious prejudice" and warned of a rise of populist politics that could turn violent. In comments at a security and justice conference, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein said he was addressing Dutch far-right leader Geert Wilders and other "populists, demagogues and political fantasists." Naming Trump, Nigel Farage in Britain and Marine Le Pen in France, among others, he accused them of using "fear" tactics similar to those of Islamic State, also known as Daesh.  The UN's human rights chief criticized the 'fear' tactics use by 'demagogues,' specifically naming Donald Trump, French National Front President Marie Le Pen, left, Dutch Party for Freedom Leader Geert Wilders, centre, and British MP Nigel Paul Farage, right. (Benoit Tessier, Alessandro Garofalo, Vincent Kessler/Reuters) Src ------------------------------- the guy in middle his name is Geert or whatever looks like he is on Drug . |
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| The UN is a joke. It's only propaganda if it's right wing according to them. Well the public opinion is swinging towards the right and nothing they can do can prevent that now. |
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| If the UN is against him, he must be doing something right |
| >Accuses Trump and other far right politicians of spreading racism and religious prejudice >Belongs to an organization who elected Saudi Arabia as the chair of their Human Rights Council LOL I don't like Trump & c:o either but this is just blatant hypocrisy Fire the Saudis and all the other tyranny nations from the Human Rights Council and then we'll be able to talk |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: >Accuses Trump and other far right politicians of spreading racism and religious prejudice >Belongs to an organization who elected Saudi Arabia as the chair of their Human Rights Council LOL I don't like Trump & c:o either but this is just blatant hypocrisy Fire the Saudis and all the other tyranny nations from the Human Rights Council and then we'll be able to talk Well, Firing people from work just because they don't meet your personal -not worldwide- standards is the most absurd thing ever. Last I checked, People that actually live there -not some random foreigner who loves expresses infinite love for Europe and extreme dislike to ME countries- Liked living under 'Tyrant nations', Because they're better off living rich under Tyranny than poor in a warzone IE Iraq. |
DateYutaka said: See, that's the thing, why accuse Trump of being bigoted and yet at the same time choose to turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia (which is much worse than Trump since as far as I am aware Trump has yet to execute homosexuals or force women to walk around in gigantic black plastic bags)? That simply irks me the wrong waysaudi and trump agree on alot too |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| The UN doesn't have a leg to stand as they have a recent track record of failures, inviting extremists, appointing people from backwards countries, and political tyranny. |
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Yarub said: It doesn't matter whether they meet MY standards or not. What matters is if they meet the UN's standards or not, and anybody who's bothered to take a peek at the UDHR would know that no, they don't.Well, Firing people from work just because they don't meet your personal Firing people from work because they don't follow the rules isn't absurd, what are you talking about? -not worldwide- standards is the most absurd thing ever. The UN's standards not being shared by the rest of the world is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. If you belong to a human rights organization whose definition of human rights is A and yours is H, O, R or something else that happens to be completely different from definition A then you shouldn't represent or even belong to that organization, period.Last I checked, People that actually live there -not some random foreigner who loves expresses infinite love for Europe and extreme dislike to ME countries- Liked living under 'Tyrant nations', Because they're better off living rich under Tyranny than poor in a warzone IE Iraq. All of this is irrelevant. |
Comic_SansSep 6, 2016 7:31 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| @Comic_Sans if you're talking about the death penalty, There are a bunch of other countries that use this. Your edit: Firing people from work, even when they did nothing wrong in the first place, just because their families (ie country) committed a 'crime' is absurd. Well, The USA violated UN treaties by invading Iraq, conducted various experiments on humans, and watches over people 24/7. So they shouldn't be part of the UN anymore? US seems to be an exception in everything, Why doesn't Saudi Arabia do too? Quite easy: You just don't like Saudi Arabia. It is partially relevant, which is why I said it. You called them 'Tyrant' which pretty much means "Should be liberated" next. That was why I was throwing that off. Calling them tyrant, in effort of raising awareness against them, is vanity. Because people know, they're better off with their 'tyrants' than elected knuckle heads. |
YarubSep 6, 2016 7:41 AM
if you're talking about the death penalty, There are a bunch of other countries that use this. Not specificallyYour edit: Firing people from work, even when they did nothing wrong in the first place, just because their families (ie country) committed a 'crime' is absurd. The people in the U.N. aren't supposed to represent themselves, they're supposed to represent their countriesWell, The USA violated UN treaties by invading Iraq, conducted various experiments on humans, and watches over people 24/7. So they shouldn't be part of the UN anymore? US seems to be an exception in everything, Why doesn't Saudi Arabia do too? Quite easy: You just don't like Saudi Arabia. Quite easy: the U.S. isn't part of the Human Rights CouncilIt is partially relevant, which is why I said it. You called them 'Tyrant' which pretty much means "Should be liberated" next. That was why I was throwing that off. Calling them tyrant, in effort of raising awareness against them, is vanity. Because people know, they're better off with their 'tyrants' than elected knuckle heads. No, people preferring to live in whatever non war torn country in the Middle East over Iraq or whatever doesn't change the fact that Saudi being the chair of the HR council is ridiculous |
Comic_SansSep 6, 2016 7:51 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| the un is a joke anyway, especially the human rights department. who cares what the say... Yarub said: Well, The USA violated UN treaties by invading Iraq, conducted various experiments on humans, and watches over people 24/7. So they shouldn't be part of the UN anymore? US seems to be an exception in everything, Why doesn't Saudi Arabia do too? the usa have power. saudi arabia just money - also you guys throw stones at people |
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if u meant in business that's true like someone with name Dave has said Donald Trump reportedly sold the 45th floor of Trump World Tower to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $4.5 million in June 2001 and the apartments later became part of the Saudi Mission to the United Nations. This comes after Trump has repeatedly hammered Hillary Clinton for accepting money from the country through the Clinton Foundation. If the charges for the apartments and the rental space remained the same since that date, Trump has been paid a total of $5.7 million by the Saudi goverment since 2001 |
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JunkYardHiro said: Does that guy in the middle really step outside with hair like that and think it looks good? Yes he does and he is a very handsome guy ok ;). On top of that he is leading the (in polls) most popular politicial party in the Netherlands. |
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| The UN is a joke when they put SA in their council for human rights Absolutely disgraceful and pathetic. The biggest joke in Human Rights history An absolute blunder I wonder how much cash SA gave to acquire such a position or should I talk in terms of oil. |
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DateYutaka said: Lobinde said: The UN is a joke. It's only propaganda if it's right wing according to them. Well the public opinion is swinging towards the right and nothing they can do can prevent that now. so to call some who is right wing right wing is wormg now right No it's the "propaganda" accusations. If they want to go down that road they should at least be consistent and call out the plethora of left-wing propaganda too. |
| If Trump, Wilders, Farage, Le Pen are dangerous populist half-truthers, then can someone tell me how should we treat the current people in power, who refuse to tell the European public that Ukraine refuses to fullfill the Minsk agreements, and refuses to report anything about the Syrian war except for the usual "Russia explodes hospitals" mantra? This is some very serious pot calling kettle black case. If anything, this name-calling is the evidence of smoke. And where there is smoke, there is a fire, aka the fire of a power struggle inside the current elite. You'd have to get very desperate to start comparing democracy to child-beheaders. |
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| Perhaps our friend Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein can explain why his country and other rich Arab states aren't taking in the "refugees"*. No, he'd rather see Europe and Britain turned upside down and then call people racists and fearmongers when a few leaders with brains (who happen not to be politically correct cowards) point out the need for proper border controls and managed immigration just like any other normal country outside the EU has. *The term refugee is getting thrown around waaay too much. Probably 85% of the "refugees" from the mideast are economic migrants taking advantage of an open invitation put out by imbeciles like Merkel. If it was 100% true refugees there wouldn't even be an issue because the numbers involved would be much more manageable. As for the US, that's a case of shoddy enforcement of existing immigration laws and insufficient border control. |
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| This is a good sign. The UN clearly can't handle ISIS so if Trump is elected they'll be at his mercy. |
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| Lol no. ISIS propaganda is way more nuanced than an angry orange man with a microphone. |
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Joopster said: JunkYardHiro said: Does that guy in the middle really step outside with hair like that and think it looks good? Yes he does and he is a very handsome guy ok ;). On top of that he is leading the (in polls) most popular politicial party in the Netherlands. Not to mention that Geert's hair is real, while I can't say the same for Trump. Anyway, you can tell someone is failing an argument if he has to pull in a terrorist organization to compare Trump's points with. Not to mention that people love taking him out of context, making him far worse than he seems to be. |
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| Fear tactics... It's a bit ridiculous, but I could see you labeling certain aspects of his campaign as fear tactics. But akin to Isis? That's ludicrous. Information control would be number 1 on the agenda, and then implanting fears through real life examples is number 2. As far as I know, Trump doesn't control the air waves, and he hasn't killed anyone. Not unless you're going to say that he was behind the Paris terrorism or something. |
Thrashinuva said: Fear tactics... It's a bit ridiculous, but I could see you labeling certain aspects of his campaign as fear tactics. But akin to Isis? That's ludicrous. Information control would be number 1 on the agenda, and then implanting fears through real life examples is number 2. As far as I know, Trump doesn't control the air waves, and he hasn't killed anyone. Not unless you're going to say that he was behind the Paris terrorism or something. Don't you know that Trump's saying he'd ban new Muslim immigrants is the direct cause of the Paris terrorist attacks? |
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RedRoseFring said: Thrashinuva said: Fear tactics... It's a bit ridiculous, but I could see you labeling certain aspects of his campaign as fear tactics. But akin to Isis? That's ludicrous. Information control would be number 1 on the agenda, and then implanting fears through real life examples is number 2. As far as I know, Trump doesn't control the air waves, and he hasn't killed anyone. Not unless you're going to say that he was behind the Paris terrorism or something. Don't you know that Trump's saying he'd ban new Muslim immigrants is the direct cause of the Paris terrorist attacks? Before I seriously reply, please tell me, are you seriously serious? |
Thrashinuva said: RedRoseFring said: Don't you know that Trump's saying he'd ban new Muslim immigrants is the direct cause of the Paris terrorist attacks? Before I seriously reply, please tell me, are you seriously serious? Of course not. I'm mocking those who blame Trump for the actions of Islamic terrorists. |
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RedRoseFring said: Of course not. I'm mocking those who blame Trump for the actions of Islamic terrorists. Lol you know how hard it is to deduce sarcasm on the internet. I was about to cite some sources and shit before I started thinking "wait that sounds a little TOO ridiculous". |
Dylaan_Omer said: The UN is a joke when they put SA in their council for human rights Absolutely disgraceful and pathetic. The biggest joke in Human Rights history An absolute blunder I wonder how much cash SA gave to acquire such a position or should I talk in terms of oil. Negative. The disgrace isn't because they elected a country that you unsurprisingly hate; They allow countries to bomb other countries for no apparent reason. I mean seriously, that's what you should be talking about. @Nigami_Shin That doesn't justify that it should still remain in the UN, while Saudi Arabia can't. |
YarubSep 8, 2016 7:27 AM
Yarub said: Dylaan_Omer said: The UN is a joke when they put SA in their council for human rights Absolutely disgraceful and pathetic. The biggest joke in Human Rights history An absolute blunder I wonder how much cash SA gave to acquire such a position or should I talk in terms of oil. Negative. The disgrace isn't because they elected a country that you unsurprisingly hate; They allow countries to bomb other countries for no apparent reason. I mean seriously, that's what you should be talking about. @Nigami_Shin That doesn't justify that it should still remain in the UN, while Saudi Arabia can't. You speak like my disliking for SA is irrational and withouth reason. My reasons are very clear and you know them aswell I shouldnt explain it to you. Oh yeah I do talk about that how do you know I dont? I have discussed the topics of the Iraq war and others things to death but in terms of human rights SA cannot compare to any country in the West. They are the lowest in terms of those rights. |
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Dylaan_Omer said: Disliking KSA is personal, disliking everything that has "Saudi Arabia" at some point is idiotic. Your likes and dislikes are for you to decide, not me. You needn't explain anything, I've memorized every single line people tell me about Saudi Arabia, even when they never went there. Most of their legitimacy's very easily questionable by anyone who went there. I'm not really fond of Saudi Arabia in general either, this goes to your heavenly western countries and Israel equally.Yarub said: Negative. The disgrace isn't because they elected a country that you unsurprisingly hate; They allow countries to bomb other countries for no apparent reason. I mean seriously, that's what you should be talking about. @Nigami_Shin That doesn't justify that it should still remain in the UN, while Saudi Arabia can't. You speak like my disliking for SA is irrational and withouth reason. My reasons are very clear and you know them aswell I shouldnt explain it to you. Oh yeah I do talk about that how do you know I dont? I have discussed the topics of the Iraq war and others things to death but in terms of human rights SA cannot compare to any country in the West. They are the lowest in terms of those rights. Well, I can only say so about this thread. You called the UN a complete disgrace for electing KSA as chairman for HR, particularly. Rather, you should've called them a disgrace for not even doing their purpose. There is a huge difference, your hate towards KSA drives you to hate something because they are associated with it, same goes for most people in this thread; Just because "It's Saudi Arabia!". That sounds like the west is like heaven. Classic, where it's not necessarily the case. |
YarubSep 8, 2016 9:54 AM
Yarub said: Dylaan_Omer said: Disliking KSA is personal, disliking everything that has "Saudi Arabia" at some point is idiotic. Your likes and dislikes are for you to decide, not me. You needn't explain anything, I've memorized every single line people tell me about Saudi Arabia, even when they never went there. Most of their legitimacy's very easily questionable by anyone who went there. I'm not really fond of Saudi Arabia in general either, this goes to your heavenly western countries and Israel equally.You speak like my disliking for SA is irrational and withouth reason. My reasons are very clear and you know them aswell I shouldnt explain it to you. Oh yeah I do talk about that how do you know I dont? I have discussed the topics of the Iraq war and others things to death but in terms of human rights SA cannot compare to any country in the West. They are the lowest in terms of those rights. Well, I can only say so about this thread. You called the UN a complete disgrace for electing KSA as chairman for HR, particularly. Rather, you should've called them a disgrace for not even doing their purpose. There is a huge difference, your hate towards KSA drives you to hate something because they are associated with it, same goes for most people in this thread; Just because "It's Saudi Arabia!". That sounds like the west is like heaven. Classic, where it's not necessarily the case. Hah you say as if I love the West so much fine let me list the abominations of the West SJWs Nazis Misandryism BLM Communism Tumblr I always disliked the UN because they talked about being so humane and stuff and they pretend they are the warriors of justice and peace when they are just cowards who can only critique people and not do squat because they are owned by the US or well cant do much withouth the US Then they elect a man from a country with a reputation like KSA which its values are quite clear and close to ISIS as a Humans Right Chief is an oxymoron and they continue to critique people about Human Rights and things of the sort when they have people like that in their organization. Just because I dislike KSA doesnt mean I adore the West but I hella prefer it than KSA even if the West pretends to be peaceful and tolerant when its more authoritarian than Tumblrinas and SJWs want to admit. People get jailed in the Netherlands for fighting against ISIS because they techincally murdered people or something of the sort. |
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Dylaan_Omer said: Hah you say as if I love the West so much fine let me list the abominations of the West SJWs Nazis Misandryism BLM Communism Tumblr I'd also add the French Revolution along with the grand social experiment known as the European Union to that list. |
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Tsundereppoi said: Dylaan_Omer said: Hah you say as if I love the West so much fine let me list the abominations of the West SJWs Nazis Misandryism BLM Communism Tumblr I'd also add the French Revolution along with the grand social experiment known as the European Union to that list. The European Union is not a failure it is a great succes A great success for countries such as NL and Scandinavian countries also france So its better fit for um whatever race the people in that area are called by and add union to it. Because Spain,Greece,Italy and places that arent close to Germany or Central Europe have had bad fortune with the EU |
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| @Dylaan_Omer Well, if you're going to praise the West so much, People can only say so. I'm not here to read your mind. By the way you always say it, You do in fact love the west. Actually, It isn't owned by the US directly. The US just does what it likes, no one bats an eye except for Russia sometimes. Reputation doesn't even matter here. As infamous as KSA is, it leads OPEC. As infamous as USA is, it still leads the world. What matters is what you do when you are a leader, not the reputation. "Close to ISIS" Please, you don't even know what you're talking about. You probably should cut the media and see something for yourself for once. Lol, critiques about Saudi Arabia are everywhere. You do it, I do it. Don't act like it's the USA all of the sudden. |
Yarub said: @Dylaan_Omer Well, if you're going to praise the West so much, People can only say so. I'm not here to read your mind. By the way you always say it, You do in fact love the west. Actually, It isn't owned by the US directly. The US just does what it likes, no one bats an eye except for Russia sometimes. Reputation doesn't even matter here. As infamous as KSA is, it leads OPEC. As infamous as USA is, it still leads the world. What matters is what you do when you are a leader, not the reputation. "Close to ISIS" Please, you don't even know what you're talking about. You probably should cut the media and see something for yourself for once. Lol, critiques about Saudi Arabia are everywhere. You do it, I do it. Don't act like it's the USA all of the sudden. I dont even remember praising the West that often but anyway I never denied that I love the West more than KSA or other similiar nations I just stated that I know the lows of the West and the bad things it has done and created. Yes it is close in terms of the laws they implement but in KSA its much more controlled and far less chaotioc/brutal Also this isnt a Western only sentiment dissing on KSA in Northern Iraq its also quite common because a lot of people scapegoat KSA and the US for Wahabism ISIS and terrorism in general. You probaly have in your head a perceived image of me being a western wannabe because I dislike Islam and KSA but you dont really know the people of Northern Iraq and what they think. Suprisingly a lot of them share the same thoughts and others are out right racist and want to banish Islam and Arabs. Islamic Schools are on an all time low record and a lot are obsessed with Ocalan or other very left and authoritarian groups this isnt even a recent trend my dad when he was 18 was a Communist when Ocalan wasnt in Jail and started his movement. Not like their beliefs are better but you did act so suprised how different I was for a person that lives in the ME compared to you almost like you didnt believe I live there. And if you really dislike my circlejerking for the West you dont wanna know what locals think of it. They think the West is a socialist utopia where you get everything for free. They really believe this and one of my friends even thinks New Zealand is part of the European Union. A lot of youth and even adults that have a home and a job in my street wanna flee to Europe because of this illusion that people talk about the West in here when its really not that good at all. |
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Dylaan_Omer said: The European Union is not a failure it is a great succes A great success for countries such as NL and Scandinavian countries also france So its better fit for um whatever race the people in that area are called by and add union to it. Because Spain,Greece,Italy and places that arent close to Germany or Central Europe have had bad fortune with the EU You're talking about economy, I'm talking about politics and society. The European Union is a disaster for everyone, and one of the primary reasons for this, is the fact that the union was built based on functionalist and neofunctionalist theories, which in essence reject the right to independence, sovereignty and nationality. Look at what happened with Brexit in the UK. The society got torn apart between those who primarily see themselves as British and those who primarily see themselves as European. The EU is indeed successful in its ability to destroy/fragment nations. A very similar situation is currently brewing in Poland, some officials there even warning of civil war (although I doubt it's possible for now), and the same crap will happen in every other EU state if it tries to pull out or if EU collapses. A hostile divide within the society coupled with rising separatism. I wouldn't call these things as "successful" for anyone. |
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Tsundereppoi said: Dylaan_Omer said: The European Union is not a failure it is a great succes A great success for countries such as NL and Scandinavian countries also france So its better fit for um whatever race the people in that area are called by and add union to it. Because Spain,Greece,Italy and places that arent close to Germany or Central Europe have had bad fortune with the EU You're talking about economy, I'm talking about politics and society. The European Union is a disaster for everyone, and one of the primary reasons for this, is the fact that the union was built based on functionalist and neofunctionalist theories, which in essence reject the right to independence, sovereignty and nationality. Look at what happened with Brexit in the UK. The society got torn apart between those who primarily see themselves as British and those who primarily see themselves as European. The EU is indeed successful in its ability to destroy/fragment nations. A very similar situation is currently brewing in Poland, some officials there even warning of civil war (although I doubt it's possible for now), and the same crap will happen in every other EU state if it tries to pull out or if EU collapses. A hostile divide within the society coupled with rising separatism. I wouldn't call these things as "successful" for anyone. Well blame my perception of the EU because whenever I argue about splitting my brother makes a bitch fit about how our economy will go DOWN and DOWN and how "muh nationalism" isnt worth the losing of money. You did bring a lot of good points the European Union does seem more like one empire or nation instead of a union of nations. And this divide is also very dangerous I am also quite wary of this attempted creation of an EU army. BREXIT however is a failure because Farage and the leaders of it failed to follow up with it because they didn expect to win. |
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Dylaan_Omer said: Well blame my perception of the EU because whenever I argue about splitting my brother makes a bitch fit about how our economy will go DOWN and DOWN and how "muh nationalism" isnt worth the losing of money. Using economy as an argument within the EU context, is equivalent to selling your country out for a financial bribe. When people start caring more about money than about their national sovereignty, I start questioning their allegiance and sanity. Dylaan_Omer said: You did bring a lot of good points the European Union does seem more like one empire or nation instead of a union of nations. And this divide is also very dangerous I am also quite wary of this attempted creation of an EU army. I frankly don't care what the EU aspires to be. All I really care about is for it to be honest. This whole "We're not a single state but we will take away your sovereignty anyway" narrative is oxymoronish, unjust, and dishonorable, yet so many idiots manage to fall for it. I'd be perfectly fine with EU either collapsing, or transforming into a single federation/state/empire, for as long as everyone on the European peninsula would be completely aware of the fact that they are sacrificing their identity, culture, history for the sake of creating an entirely new country and an entirely new nationality. If they can all acknowledge this and agree to it, I'm all up for it, since it's pointless to fight against public will. But when the EU outright lies to the public, and the public gets divided between those who believe the lies (or pretend to believe them for 'economic benefits') and those who don't - that's not serious nor is it a safe path to travel. It will only produce chaos. Dylaan_Omer said: BREXIT however is a failure because Farage and the leaders of it failed to follow up with it because they didn expect to win. Brexit created a trend. Even if it will fail in the long term, it's easy to see that anti-EU sentiment is on the rise in Europe, and this should eventually provoke radical changes. |
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Dylaan_Omer said: Yarub said: @Dylaan_Omer Well, if you're going to praise the West so much, People can only say so. I'm not here to read your mind. By the way you always say it, You do in fact love the west. Actually, It isn't owned by the US directly. The US just does what it likes, no one bats an eye except for Russia sometimes. Reputation doesn't even matter here. As infamous as KSA is, it leads OPEC. As infamous as USA is, it still leads the world. What matters is what you do when you are a leader, not the reputation. "Close to ISIS" Please, you don't even know what you're talking about. You probably should cut the media and see something for yourself for once. Lol, critiques about Saudi Arabia are everywhere. You do it, I do it. Don't act like it's the USA all of the sudden. I dont even remember praising the West that often but anyway I never denied that I love the West more than KSA or other similiar nations I just stated that I know the lows of the West and the bad things it has done and created. Yes it is close in terms of the laws they implement but in KSA its much more controlled and far less chaotioc/brutal Also this isnt a Western only sentiment dissing on KSA in Northern Iraq its also quite common because a lot of people scapegoat KSA and the US for Wahabism ISIS and terrorism in general. You probaly have in your head a perceived image of me being a western wannabe because I dislike Islam and KSA but you dont really know the people of Northern Iraq and what they think. Suprisingly a lot of them share the same thoughts and others are out right racist and want to banish Islam and Arabs. Islamic Schools are on an all time low record and a lot are obsessed with Ocalan or other very left and authoritarian groups this isnt even a recent trend my dad when he was 18 was a Communist when Ocalan wasnt in Jail and started his movement. Not like their beliefs are better but you did act so suprised how different I was for a person that lives in the ME compared to you almost like you didnt believe I live there. And if you really dislike my circlejerking for the West you dont wanna know what locals think of it. They think the West is a socialist utopia where you get everything for free. They really believe this and one of my friends even thinks New Zealand is part of the European Union. A lot of youth and even adults that have a home and a job in my street wanna flee to Europe because of this illusion that people talk about the West in here when its really not that good at all. There are no similar nation to KSA. Unless you mean Islamic countries, then just say it generally. Very weak comparison. There are relations, but the comparison cannot be held by scale. Especially compared to terrorist groups. So do most of the Arabian Gulf. You just don't live there to know it. If you really think the Gulf is submissive to Saudi Arabia's ideals, I'm afraid you are very mistaken. Well, Since you mentioned it, the picture is the same as you described, sadly. Iraq sound as brainwashed as North Korea. That isn't a good thing, It means ISIS'll be poking trouble on infidels on Northern Iraq. Where's Saddam when you need him? I wasn't surprised, I'm open to various types of mindsets. Rather, I was heavily disappointed. You want to believe that you have complete 'freedom', while you actually don't, In KSA you actually know the limit of your freedom, rather than stupidly believing in the west as true free countries. There isn't much difference between USA and KSA when you have this mentality. It's just that KSA instills fear and USA instills idiocy. School kids survive longer in KSA too. That's what many foreign workers think when visiting the Arabian Gulf. Easy money, less work. When they come, Everything changes to reality; not so good. |
YarubSep 9, 2016 10:19 AM
Yarub said: Dylaan_Omer said: I dont even remember praising the West that often but anyway I never denied that I love the West more than KSA or other similiar nations I just stated that I know the lows of the West and the bad things it has done and created. Yes it is close in terms of the laws they implement but in KSA its much more controlled and far less chaotioc/brutal Also this isnt a Western only sentiment dissing on KSA in Northern Iraq its also quite common because a lot of people scapegoat KSA and the US for Wahabism ISIS and terrorism in general. You probaly have in your head a perceived image of me being a western wannabe because I dislike Islam and KSA but you dont really know the people of Northern Iraq and what they think. Suprisingly a lot of them share the same thoughts and others are out right racist and want to banish Islam and Arabs. Islamic Schools are on an all time low record and a lot are obsessed with Ocalan or other very left and authoritarian groups this isnt even a recent trend my dad when he was 18 was a Communist when Ocalan wasnt in Jail and started his movement. Not like their beliefs are better but you did act so suprised how different I was for a person that lives in the ME compared to you almost like you didnt believe I live there. And if you really dislike my circlejerking for the West you dont wanna know what locals think of it. They think the West is a socialist utopia where you get everything for free. They really believe this and one of my friends even thinks New Zealand is part of the European Union. A lot of youth and even adults that have a home and a job in my street wanna flee to Europe because of this illusion that people talk about the West in here when its really not that good at all. There are no similar nation to KSA. Unless you mean Islamic countries, then just say it generally. Very weak comparison. There are relations, but the comparison cannot be held by scale. Especially compared to terrorist groups. So do most of the Arabian Gulf. You just don't live there to know it. If you really think the Gulf is submissive to Saudi Arabia's ideals, I'm afraid you are very mistaken. Well, Since you mentioned it, the picture is the same as you described, sadly. Iraq sound as brainwashed as North Korea. That isn't a good thing, It means ISIS'll be poking trouble on infidels on Northern Iraq. Where's Saddam when you need him? I wasn't surprised, I'm open to various types of mindsets. Rather, I was heavily disappointed. You want to believe that you have complete 'freedom', while you actually don't, In KSA you actually know the limit of your freedom, rather than stupidly believing in the west as true free countries. There isn't much difference between USA and KSA when you have this mentality. It's just that KSA instills fear and USA instills idiocy. School kids survive longer in KSA too. That's what many foreign workers think when visiting the Arabian Gulf. Easy money, less work. When they come, Everything changes to reality; not so good. Hah yes I want to believe the West is tolerant liberal heaven but its not there are also restrictions and yes the West brainwashes people to their agenda and if you think differently you will be put in jail for Hate speech still. Iraq has always been divided the North dislikes the South as always and the South dislikes Central Iraq if its not under control by Iranian puppets. Saddam had to silence both sides to bring peace to Iraq thats because of Sykos Picot and its messy agreement that made Kurds a thorn in ME countries such as Turkey,Iraq,Iran,Syria Still KSA has less liberties than the West even if they both practice crowd control but use different methods of said crowd control. |
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| @Dylaan_Omer Propaganda of believing you are free is the worst of all. Explains the cringe when people chant "USA" in forums and irl. I feel sorry for them. Saddam was the best thing that happened to Iraq after Harun Al Rashid. Agreed, the French/English deliberately messed up country borders. Living in KSA is much better than USA for me. These 'less liberties' are of incoherence. Because they mostly satisfy greed and lust. |
Yarub said: @Dylaan_Omer Propaganda of believing you are free is the worst of all. Explains the cringe when people chant "USA" in forums and irl. I feel sorry for them. Saddam was the best thing that happened to Iraq after Harun Al Rashid. Agreed, the French/English deliberately messed up country borders. Living in KSA is much better than USA for me. These 'less liberties' are of incoherence. Because they mostly satisfy greed and lust. For you KSA is better than the US because you either wouldnt do the things they ban or you just strict yourself up and not do it even if you want to. People not from KSA find the restrictions very bad I think thats something you can relate to similiar to how weird you find the US and their methods of crowd control. Yes I find it a bad form of Propoganda personally but I do have to give it what it does right it atleast shows or demonstrates an illusion of freedom and peace. This illusion can be very satisfying for some people and with a lot of people believing it blindly it creates a sort of fragile peaceful society Of course with the rise of Trump and him and his crew exposing what the US is and how the Left is going full fronts against him and anyone that doesnt want Hillary (They threatened bernard and screwed their own leftists even) This fragile cultural peace may be over people in the West are already opening to the corruption and rebelling. Saddam was the best thing because only a dictator can bring peace to a country such as the concept of Iraq and not only bring peace but also Nationalize it. But one war killed his ideaology. |
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| Wait, the same UN that Anita Sarkeesian cried to about criticism on the internet?! THAT UN?! |
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Comic_Sans said: >Belongs to an organization who elected Saudi Arabia as the chair of their Human Rights Council LOL Pretty much all that needed to be said. Trump is literally Hitler given new flesh. - E.U. U.N. |
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