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Xenocrisi said: Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. 'Cause Julius acted like an asshole, even though it was Subaru's fault, and Emilia 'cause she doesn't understand a fuck. It's a big deal for Emilia to have her wish of everyone being equally treated come true. And Subaru basically killed all of her chances and just didnÄt listen to her. Julius saved Subaru from being killed by death penalty and defended all of the knights that worked very hard to get where they are now. Subaru insulted all of them. |
| In the end we have two main retards protagonists |
LaxusAK said: guyklc said: Subaru has been such an annoying chuuni so far, that I was actually happy that he finally got owned. I don't know what Emilia sees in him to be so patient so far; good thing she finally snapped at the end. Lol. If Subarus a chuuni then Emilia is generic princess trope. Funny that you point that out about Subaru but don't critique Emilias character thus far. Yes, Emilia is very annoying as well, with her all too perfect princess and ladylike qualities that just come off as fake. That's why I said in my original post that I have no idea why she puts up with Subaru. |
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Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. I don't think there reason to hate anyone here. More pity Subaru because he's someone clearly with good intentions, but his situation with "Return by Death" and his own insecurities came to backfire on him. |
Sometimes791 said: Tbh, Julius didn't do anything that big to be hated. He challenging Subaru to a duel can be excessive, but Subaru disrespected him and his fellow knights in front of all the nobles, the wisemen and, the worst of all, his protegee/princess. He has motives to be angry, and he took the offense with calm and even let Subaru decide if he wanted to took the duel or not. He reacted to Subaru's idiotic behavior with too much patience, honestly.Smudy said: Julius best guy. Saved Subaru's ass from being death penalty'd. DarklordVor predicted a three way hate for this episodee (Subaru, Emilia and Julius). Just the first one came true though. :D |
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Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. I like those two even more after this episode, though I think Emilia is way too nice. She's given Subaru so many opportunities to reflect on the trouble he's cause without explicitly berating him and she gets nothing in return. She's discriminated against and clearly has a lot of evil eyes looking at her, but despite this, Subaru doesn't feel bad for drawing more negative attention toward her. I know I'm supposed to hate the guy, but him going full retard makes it hard to believe he can be redeemed by any believable circumstances. |
| I feel like the second half, Subaru was way out of character, I really did not expect him to say such things to Emilia. I don't know if he really meant it, or it was just the Witch, but that did not feel Subaru-like at all. |
Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. Julius is typical SAO-Sugou type of slimy ntr character. Emilia at this point is just one-note waifu. She is not "hateable" she is just there. Nayrael said: Fai said: Yep. That's the only way I can see this going. Emilia is the Witch and trolling everyone and Subaru's Obsession/Jealousy of Emilia is something implanted by the witch and she is observing him destroy himself up close, while edging him on, which fits the Witch of Jealousy title. Personally, I think she wants to be a good girl now, probably due to being jealous towards those heroes she always saw. This might explain why she always tries to be such a good girl: she is evil but desperately wants to be nice, if only for a while. In this episode, she also mentioned that she wanted someone to treat her like a real person, not someone who would idolize her. But don't most people despise her? Unless she is used to Witch Cultists admiring her and was envious for someone to treat her differently? Still, I don't think she is aware of Subaru's time-traveling. If I had to guess, the future Emilia form a Subaru-less world started this to save herself and get an absolute protector. But that might contradict the fact hat she should have been able to bring her memories with her. Well if time loop is power granted by the witch, it would make sense if the witch herself could use that. I think that if she IS a witch, she is trying to earn a place of power, while at the same time still being jealous of affection and wanting Subaru to like her and love her. A lot of this episode's end felt like she is both disappointed with him AND pushing him off the edge at the same time. Feeling she has been wronged and wanting to do this to Subaru are not exclusive. It would be quite cool if Satella basically WANTS to be the "pure princess" trope, yet her personality and flaws and what she did gets in the way of that. It would mirror Subaru's own obsession with being the protagonist. Zalmox1s said: I feel like the second half, Subaru was way out of character, I really did not expect him to say such things to Emilia. I don't know if he really meant it, or it was just the Witch, but that did not feel Subaru-like at all. Yeah, at this point, about the only way I can see him being redeemed is the whole influence from the witch aspect being true. She IS Jealous Witch after all, so it would make sense that those marked by her would unnaturally display those aspects. |
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Fai said: Sometimes791 said: You're not supposed to feel sorry for him. The author wants to present him as an asshole with major flaws in this episode. Then they should not have presented him as likeable and actually interesting character for 11 episodes. This is like entirely different show now. Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay. But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy. |
Smudy said: It's a big deal for Emilia to have her wish of everyone being equally treated come true. And Subaru basically killed all of her chances and just didnÄt listen to her. Um no. Emilia's position is just fine, what her problems is she can't understand why he goes so far her, because she does not have memories of time he met before the loot house which Subaru is driven by. She tried of his nearly kill himself for her sake. |
| In the middle of episode I was preparing myself to hate on Subaru on few forums. How his character suddenly degreased and how he suddenly does one stupid thing or another for Emilia, without considering her situation at all. Generally I wanted to hate on him for being stupid MC who started doing stupid stuff all just for story purposes so the story can continue with election with Subaru taking part in them as well. Show has to include it's protagonist in the show's main storyline. Still as much as I wanted to hate on him, when the last scenes appeared it hit me, that even though the second arc was successfully completed, Subaru is far from being mentally stable... quite the opposite in fact. He took part in two arcs, and with his effort those two stories ended up good but at this point he has reached the assumption that if he doesn't do well, the next problem will continue until he saves the day again, and before that happens he will have to die, times and times again. It seems that the thought of dying drives him insane at this point. AND... IT SHOULD HAVE!!!!! This is the natural reaction, as even though Subaru solved some problems this doesn't mean at all that he is anywhere close to being able to live his life from now on. We have to remember. Subaru is not a hero, he is a normal guy, thrown into the insane world with his only ability per see being that he resurrects after dying. In the hands of intelligent more emotionally stable MC, this would be an ultimate weapon, for him though it's rather a curse. I lost my train of thought but what I wanted to say is basically... HELL YEA! The story finally starts the drama that is absolutely necessary in repeat-time-stories, especially with dying being the repeat source. The drama already started in the last arc but I am happy to see that it did not disappear just because the story moved on. This episode Subaru completely forgotten that about 70% of time he spent with Emilia is something she doesn't remember and he snapped. For him who was trying to help her all this time seems quite natural... for Emilia who was simply helped twice it's doesn't seem right at all. The difference in feelings between the ones who remembers and those who not is the best that time-repeat stories has to offer. In the end though while I understand why Subaru snapped at the end he was kind of unfair. He somewhat arrived at the assumption that if he continues to hang around Emilia and try to help her then he will reach the happy ending with her like a protagonist of LN. He was like... HEY I COMPLETED TWO QUESTS WITH YOU ALREADY WHY AREN'T YOUR LOVE POINTS FULL YET!... Treating it like it was some kind of game and Emilia being the heroine destined for him to end up with like it was given. Still everyone can understand how un mature such thinking is and that this isn't the way the world works (sure we will get that ending eventually but not in such pitiful way). All this ties down to who Subaru was at the start of the story and how he behaved. His situation was always fucked up but he was cheerful about it like it was not a big deal, like everything was going to turn out well, he will get the main heroine and live happy ever after, but nope... . This situation won't continue at any time soon... next episode I expect Subaru go dark mode, the same way he did when he hid inside the library for the whole time and one of the twins died. There is the hope in the tunnel though in existence of one character, I pretty much expect her to make Subaru get back some mentality and come up with what he should do. All in all, I have to complain about one thing... why Subaru didn't die at all recently? It's been too long already! |
Zalmox1s said: I feel like the second half, Subaru was way out of character, I really did not expect him to say such things to Emilia. I don't know if he really meant it, or it was just the Witch, but that did not feel Subaru-like at all. He's not being OoC, he said that stuff out of frustration due to not being able to explain his situation to Emilia. He's was clearly not thinking right and said stuff he didn't mean. That kind of thing happens to everybody. |
Fai said: It is not ONLY because it is Emilia...I am pretty sure he would act cocky like that and get his ass kicked for Rem,Baeko or anyone too...Reality of him being nobody hit him pretty hard...People saying he is not worthy of Emilia made him lose the last bit of his reasoning...He learned he is not an anime MC in previous Arcs via hardest ways but he was still acting like Emilia's knight...Thus ended up with his "knight" disputeLoneWizard said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows? He had his flaws as cringy neet from time to time and he was awkward around people, but he was never dumb. Sure he was socially awkward guy who felt out of place and delivered cringy lines, but He was always insightful and he always used his brain to solve his situations. He was never dumb or obsessive like this. I literally can't see THIS SUBARU trying to con Rom into buying a cellphone by claiming it is magic. Nor I can see him forsaking his own survival and jumping off a cliff just to save the maids. Hell, this Shitbaru version we see in this episode most likely laugh in Ram's face about Rem's death and go off trying to get Emilia's date. He went from a realistic guy with flaws, but with a brain, to a completely idiotic obsessed stalker and it contradicts everything about him in the first 11 episodes. . |
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Yuzuryn said: Fai said: Then they should not have presented him as likeable and actually interesting character for 11 episodes. This is like entirely different show now. Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay. But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy. Although their favorite characters probably did even worse things. Just facepalm. At least the "Emilia is a trophy" complaint can be easily countered now. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
Yuzuryn said: Fai said: Then they should not have presented him as likeable and actually interesting character for 11 episodes. This is like entirely different show now. Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay. But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy. The problem is NOT him fucking up. Don't put words in my mouth. The problem is the way he fucks up contradicting his characterization. Believe me I despise the power fantasy aspect of "another world" stories. One of refreshing parts of Subaru was that he felt like a real person instead of "the protag". Sometimes791 said: Yuzuryn said: Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay. But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy. Although their favorite characters probably did even worse things. Just facepalm. At least the "Emilia is a trophy" complaint can be easily countered now. Believe me. I love my characters flawed and realistic or morally gray. What I dislike is characters being inconsistent. Not really. The show still focuses on Emilia being a goal for Subaru. I would not be surprised if this arc ends with him being given a second chance by her or something. Thats par the course for trophy waifu tropes. And even her rejection of him revolved around "oh you are getting hurt, I don't want that". |
AhenshihaelJun 26, 2016 1:52 PM
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| That was emotionally brutal to watch. After this episode, I would completely understand if he committed suicide to restart so that conversation never happened. ~Great episode!!! |
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| @Fai i would expect someone who read Heaven's Feel to understand Subaru's actions this episode...I guess i was wrong...;_; Fai said: No,her rejection came from her being creeped out by Subaru worshipping her while she has no memory of deserving such a thing...She thinks its unnatural and it actually is from her perspective...And even her rejection of him revolved around "oh you are getting hurt, I don't want that". |
LoneWizzyJun 26, 2016 1:53 PM
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Fai said: The problem is NOT him fucking up. Don't put words in my mouth. The problem is the way he fucks up contradicting his characterization. Believe me I despise the power fantasy aspect of "another world" stories. One of refreshing parts of Subaru was that he felt like a real person instead of "the protag". And it doesn't contradict with his prior established character. He was very insolent before and saved the characters. But now he can't simply "save" them because actual humans are preventing his objective. Thus he runs against a wall and screws up. Not really. The show still focuses on "SUBARU CARES FOR HER SO MUCH GUYS" Because he loves and cares for her? And even her rejection of him revolved around "oh you are getting hurt, I don't want that". Because she wanted to understand him. But then Subaru was triggered and raged at her. Thus she wants to call off their contact alltogether. She said: "Since I have so many debts to you, I'll return them and end it.". Before that she just wanted to go back to the mansion and have Subaru treated. So she GAVE UP on him. Have we even watched the same episode? |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| We will all look back at this episode and will think of it as one of the greatest moments for Subaru which definitely not look like it at this time obviously, but there's no doubt that this this series will improved more than it ever was. Can't wait for next episode and move on from the fantasy MC I was somewhat expecting. |
Yuzuryn said: Fai said: Then they should not have presented him as likeable and actually interesting character for 11 episodes. This is like entirely different show now. Oh, so he's not likeable or an interesting character anymore if he fucks up like another any other human in real life? Okay. But I guess I can understand. Anime fans don't watch anime for realism after all. They love their fantasy. It's hard to self-insert when the MC's being unlikable and a flawed human being :( |
| How can this anime publish a new "this is my favourite episode so far" every week. What will I do when this is over... |
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| God that was painful to watch. I hate MC's who like to talk a lot of shit without backing it up like seriously at least train and try to learn how to fight instead of spouting empty promises of protecting people when you are pathetically weak. Hopefully this rejection by Emilia will be a wake up call to him and he will reflect on himself. I'm not asking for some asspull power-up but at least he should be able to defend himself somewhat. |
Sometimes791 said: Fai said: The problem is NOT him fucking up. Don't put words in my mouth. The problem is the way he fucks up contradicting his characterization. Believe me I despise the power fantasy aspect of "another world" stories. One of refreshing parts of Subaru was that he felt like a real person instead of "the protag". And it doesn't contradict with his prior established character. He was very insolent before and saved the characters. But now he can't simply "save" them because actual humans are preventing his objective. Thus he runs against a wall and screws up. He was never dumb. he was never obsessive and selfish stalker. He was socially awkward guy who did not have that many relationships before and is trying to fit into the world. But one of the major aspects that made people like him was that he was smart. He used his brain. he acted like a real person would instead of falling into pit of Protagonist Drama. And he was never that selfish - He literally jumped off the cliff forsaking his own survival just because he wanted to help someone else. We saw him overcome the whole "im the hero in the game" aspect in arc 2 and genuinely put his life on the line for others. What he is doing now ignores all that. The show went from protagonist learning how real situation is and putting his life on the line for others TO the protagonist being an obsessive self-entitled dumb yandere within a single episode, without any justification in the change of behavior. The problem is not him being flawed or fucking up. The problem is that it contradicts what we know about him and feels forced/unnatural. Subaru suddenly becomes complete idiot just so this situation can play out and his turn into obsessive yandere lacks justification. I love my characters flawed and morally ambiguous. But this is third madoka movie level of character assassination. Not really. The show still focuses on "SUBARU CARES FOR HER SO MUCH GUYS" Because he loves and cares for her? Sure he is obsessed with her. But the show still treats her as a goal. Subaru behaved and he got a date. Now Subaru fucked up and his waifu rejected him. So he will have to fix shit up so his waifu gives him a second chance. Same thing. Because she wanted to understand him. But then Subaru was triggered and raged at her. Thus she wants to call off their contact alltogether. She said: "Since I have so many debts to you, I'll return them and end it.". Before that she just wanted to go back to the mansion and have Subaru treated. So she GAVE UP on him. Have we even watched the same episode? Which gives him the chance to win his caring waifu back. The show literally made it seem like Emilia is dumping him because she cares too much for him and he messed up and hurt her emotionally. Which means he will have to make up for that. Which still retains her status as trophy for him to win. Just instead of physical victory of Arc 2, this is a mental one. LoneWizard said: @Fai i would expect someone who read Heaven's Feel to understand Subaru's actions this episode...I guess i was wrong...;_; I like HF for twists and lore. Certainly not for characterization or |
AhenshihaelJun 26, 2016 2:02 PM
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| From what I've heard, this episode was pretty badly adapted and made Subaru seem even more dumb than he really is. |
| lololol Roswaal's rape face when Subaru proclaimed himself as knight. Rom risks his life invading the castle to force Felt to participate in the royal selection > Felt declares, if chosen, she would destroy the kingdoms political system. This is actually getting more interesting with Felt than I originally thought. That dead silence at the end of the episode was chilling. I stared at the title screen several seconds before realizing it was over. |
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MonoReaper said: god no that shit was trashOh boy will this end like the AkamegaKill anime? |
| I didn't like this episode. The way he humiliated himself and fucked up everything :S So he's gonna suicide? idk man I just hope his going to unfuck this situation. |
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| the anime is overly dramatic that that bed scene was diffrent in the manga |
| As someone who has no prior knowledge of this series via manga, LN, or WN, I can honestly say that characterization wise...the development was a big time shock yet on point but man did it just piss me off in ways I was not expecting. Subaru fucked up big time and Emilia, though her reasoning was somewhat understandable, wound up taking the total bitch route. |
| Don't believe the hype. |
Hongu said: Well,sounds like exactly the same conclusion but it was a "cooler" scene in the LN?Doesnt seem like much different tho...Studio is doing an excellent job at simplfying things without changing important details as far as i see and read...From what I've heard, this episode was pretty badly adapted and made Subaru seem even more dumb than he really is. Sarnik said: Savage...Well Said SirI don't understand why it's a contradiction - please elaborate. From what I've seen, we've seen that: 1) Subaru doesn't understand how the world works and shows no awareness about social standing. This has been built up for several episodes now. 2) Emilia was getting talked down on all sides, plus she didn't have a knight to protect her like all of the other candidates. Thus Subaru had an emotional outburst at this injustice and tried to level the playing field. 3) The whole "you owe me" speech at the end was a result of his frustration at being unable to talk about Return by Death. Moreover, after being destroyed by Julius he was mentally unstable since his pride got completely shattered. |
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its not contradicting remember that subaru still believes that the whole world spins around him cuz he thinks that he is the mc inside a game, and that he should always but in anywhere possible.The point of this episode was to snap him and us back to reality little does he know why he has that power in the first place |
| The final scene was one of the best scenes I've ever seen, with the outpouring and unmasking of Subaru and Emilia's emotions. If it weren't for Duwang, this'd be my AOTS. |
juicykitten95 said: remember that subaru still believes that the whole world spins around him cuz he is the mc inside a game, and that he should always but in anywhere possible.The point of this episode was to snap him and us back to reality Except that via arc 2 we saw him snap out of it and have a literal mental break down over his predicament. He literally used "I am the hero everyone!" comedy schtick as a mental mask to cope for last half of Arc2 before the break down. Arc 2 was literally all about Subaru learning how real shit is and then having to put his life on the line for others and not just himself despite being scared. This so far seems to ignore all of that. In a way it is basically flanderization where one aspect of Subaru's character suddenly erases all others. |
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LaxusAK said: LoneWizard said: @Fai i would expect someone who read Heaven's Feel to understand Subaru's actions this episode...I guess i was wrong...;_; No,her rejection came from her being creeped out by Subaru worshipping her while she has no memory of deserving such a thing...She thinks its unnatural and it actually is from her perspective... Like talking to a brick wall. Cant wait for the Heavens Feel movies to come out BTW. Know my pain bro. No matter kind of proof or anything you say to Fai he ignores the obvious, because he doesn't want to admit being wrong. |
Eh... on second thought we are going to miss Emilia/Subaru relations in incoming episodes? Or Subaru will die and do shit right next time. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I dont think you were supposed to like Subaru in this episode, it sets the scene for events to come. He totally lost type plot this episode, I'm surprised he didn't just kill himself and start again. Subaru is not strong or clever but he is loyal and very stubborn, the writers did a good job of making us feel embarrassed for him and a bit sorry for him at the same time. |
| Honestly, after all that, he might just want to load his last save point and hope it's pretty far back. |
Fai said: Yes,exactly...Subaru learned that SHIT IS REAL and HE IS NOT AN ANIME MC in second arc...Now he has to learn that he is a nobody,he cant use magic,he is not good at fighting,he is not the smartest guy...He has to learn that he is not a shining white knight and Emilia is not the damsel in distress he is destined to save and live happily forever...juicykitten95 said: remember that subaru still believes that the whole world spins around him cuz he is the mc inside a game, and that he should always but in anywhere possible.The point of this episode was to snap him and us back to reality Except that via arc 2 we saw him snap out of it and have a literal mental break down over his predicament. He literally used "I am the hero everyone!" comedy schtick as a mental mask to cope for last half of Arc2 before the break down. Arc 2 was literally all about Subaru learning how real shit is and then having to put his life on the line for others and not just himself despite being scared. |
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| Thank you Subaru for not being a total fuckin pussy like most male leads would be. I loved how he defended Emilia & talked back to the royal snobs. And what he said at the end about Emilia owing him. He has every damn right to be like he is. He was summoned to a new world, found people he really cares about & died many times to save them. Then Emilia can't give him a shred of trust & basically tells him to go to hell. My hate goes to Emilia for being so damn stupid. |
AnimeJunkyJun 26, 2016 2:20 PM
| I like this show alot but the weakest point in my opinion is the attitude of Subaru, since the first episodes I didn't like it at all, but in this particular one he reached another level of disastrous. |
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| Subaru let his angst get the best of him. So much yelling, fist clenching, and teeth grinding. He needs to calm the fuck down. 3/5 |
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