| The ones that are actually religious? Yes People who happen to come from Muslim countries and are not religious? No Problem: We have to distinguish the two for proper immigration. True Islam is not compatible with the West. |
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Yasuko_ said: Konte said: dude, I was only talking about terrorists xD not about all muslims, baka....and yes you can't be safe with those muslims, they must die!! [Probably you're a Muslim, so please don't give me your shit #fuckMuslimScums2016] It's the way you wrote it. I'm not giving shit, you're the one who called a word shit. That's like me saying shit to a holy word from the religion you belong to. Obviously you'd get offended. Then I'd be saying #fuckthereligionyoubelongtoScums2016. Whatever immature crap that means. Lol'ed....too bad I don't belong to any religion xD I'm free like a bird..xD |
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Ivisire said: Well, because if it works, then it's probably based on truth. :) At least, that's how I see it.seriously?! we both maybe in the same shoes I guess? I am still studying Islamic things...and not that content with hinduism much.... because, even in our belief, at the top level, there is only One God. And watsup with excorcism and them being ryt? I find it strange how you got to connect those two? Yeah, I guess we kind of are in the same shoes. :) I've been researching a lot on Islam lately too. It has a lot of good in it. How come you're not content with Hinduism? |
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Waqalamo said: I never said the men were innocent. It's irrelevant to the original point. My original point was that some imams use events like this to influence Muslims in radical ways. I was arguing with the other guy cause he was saying it didn't happen.The Jews of banu qurayza were totally innocent weren't they? Wrong. They plotted with the quraysh(makkan tribe attacking Madinah) during the battle of the trench and violated the charter of Madinah. After the battle they chose their own arbitrator from the Muslims who gave them the punishment according to the Torah. |
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Yumadu-nii said: Waqalamo said: I never said the men were innocent. It's irrelevant to the original point. My original point was that some imams use events like this to influence Muslims in radical ways. I was arguing with the other guy cause he was saying it didn't happen.The Jews of banu qurayza were totally innocent weren't they? Wrong. They plotted with the quraysh(makkan tribe attacking Madinah) during the battle of the trench and violated the charter of Madinah. After the battle they chose their own arbitrator from the Muslims who gave them the punishment according to the Torah. I totally agree with you. Illiteracy is the mother of terrorist groups like ISIS. |
| they're an ok people. i dont hate anyone. |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
Ivisire said: I know what you mean, I can't talk to my family about religion either, I was raised Christian. :P I know what you mean about teachers missing something too.As I told you, at the highest form of practicing our religion, I find still a hole in my heart....a hole my sufi friends dont have... i learned it talking to them..... i dont know how to put it....but to let you know, i have been exposed to deeper parts of hinduism than many...because i take the practice seriously....i follow my Guru too... and iam ok with it.... but its like even my Guru is missing something...though he is totally awesome in teaching me many things...something like the core... Sufi Masters are skilled in various things here...but the prob is, if we need know them entirely, we need to learn from them, i need to find a good master and become his apprentice and practice their way for sometime.... well, and for that...many things need to line up....in our culture its like that... Here, many of us Hindus tend to learn about Islam...sometimes, we know their history better than themselves....its funny how we win convos...lol but not with the sufis though....they tend to avoid useless talks itself! lol....but they are cool guys...know what they are doing...and would do things to maintain peace in the soceity. Alas! where am i....so i told you, at the top level, we too have One God...and thats my main reason.... funny i cant talk this much in real life with my family though...:p The sufis sound really cool, like they have insight into some deeper meaning into that One God. It's intimidating that you have to find a Master and practice with him for years, though it's probably to show committment. If you ever decide to try it, good luck! :) |
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Ivisire said: They don't understand other religions very well, and they just don't really have anything to say about it.yeah true...sometimes years....sometimes months....their condition he (a friend) said was that "one must have the heart to become good" and thats it!! it made me think a lot...like how simple they are...!! and yeah thanks....well, what does ur parents say? And sometimes the simple answer is the best one! :) |
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| I have no problem with honest, hard-working Muslims, who behave and try their best to integrate into Western society. Heck, I've worked with quite a few in the past few years without much, if any trouble. However, I do have a problem with the ones that come here to cause trouble and make no effort to get along with Westerners, especially if they support terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda or ISIS . Those people should be kicked out of the country asap. |
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| Not really, although I do think that their religion can be quite oppressive. |
RichtheLionheart said: The ones that are actually religious? Yes People who happen to come from Muslim countries and are not religious? No Problem: We have to distinguish the two for proper immigration. True Islam is not compatible with the West. And what place do you have to say what is and isn't "True Islam"... My dad is a Muslim and he's like one of the best people I know. |
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traed said: khunter said: Never said they only used muslims. They do use them as the bad guy quite a bit. Germans are used as the bad guy in movies when they were the bad guys. Russians and north koreans are also used. Media and entertainment clearly affects certain people's attitudes towards things, so a group of people is no different. What I said wasn't ridiculous at all. They still use Germans sometimes but usually they are a neo-nazi or part of a crime syndicate or something. Only if they are stupid people to begin with. "Only if they are stupid to begin with" welcome to america |
| I'd say it becomes a huge problem when people say that Muslims are more likely to x than another group |
| Just look at what Muslims are doing in Myanmar, the answer is obvious. |
P3B1G5 said: Just look at what Muslims are doing in Myanmar, the answer is obvious. Can you enlighten me to what they have done? |
IntellectualMr said: P3B1G5 said: Just look at what Muslims are doing in Myanmar, the answer is obvious. Can you enlighten me to what they have done? Just look at what the blacks are doing in detroit! the answer is obvious |
| The Quran is a hate speech against Christianity. Guess what started the crusades? |
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| Nope, three of my friends are muslim. |
P3B1G5 said: Just look at what Muslims are doing in Myanmar, the answer is obvious. They are being persecuted there and locked in villages... |
| I dislike and distrust everyone so no one can be offended. |
| I will profile every single one of them. It's nothing personal, I will never falsely accuse or impose suspicions on them blindly. But I will never be surprised by suspicious behavior from a Muslim and am prepared to take action the moment I see it. I have naively interacted with sleeper cells in the past and it gave me a wake up call when they were arrested for plans to bomb the AFB I was living at. |
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| First is i can say that the one that make Islam being hate is the people not islam teaching itself. You can search your own answer here. The question about Islam : http://www.questionsaboutislam.com |
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| i dont think asking such question is a good idea. As for me i dont mind |
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| i am muslim, if you have grounds agains me, tell me. i am not mad or something. i just want to clarify some of them. some of them is totaly ignorant and incorrect TBH. but well, it's not like they (islam haters) will heard me anyways. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Asiya's case was just one of the many which have happened throughout the history of Pakistan. The only difference is, hers was highlighted, and with bias. The problem that I see with Pakistan and these blasphemous occurrences, I've attributed to a combination of religious extremism sprouting from a severe lack of exposure, knowledge, misinformation and ignorance of the said folks by their governments and fellow citizens who are more able. And you present a logical view. A fair criticism of not only Islam but any religion would be the followers not knowing where they stand. You're probably not aware of the extent of sectarianism that exists in Islam itself; the division of Islamic schools; the different perspectives of scholars; the cherry picking that has spread itself to divide the religion's nature in different Islamic countries as well as its pollution and wrong mingling with culture. In fact, cultures which 'borrow' from religion are more harmful than the religion itself--I personally vouch for this. I peg this a root cause of mislabeling of Islam when it comes to certain blame games. Shariah isn't un-Islamic, but it is pretty much considered to be set in stone by countries like Saudi Arabia, which choose to interpret it in the most restricted senses of judgement. Qatar is listed to have apostasy as a crime, but it's probable that it doesn't strictly follow through with this particular branch of law, or, if it does, then it chooses to do so very careful and keep its media and poopulation tightened on the leash. Likewise, countries who don't have apostasy listed as unlawful in their courts may see hangings and death sentences (usually owing to the people, rather than the lawmakers). What I'm trying to convince you of is to not put your faith completely into a stated apostasy law of a nation. When religion blinds its followers, the law seems to evaporate. Muslims are always the victims, along with the other followers of faiths. I will continuously make this amend--I believe that everything related to extremism here that we've discussed so far is harming humans. I would not agree with someone who groups the Muslims separately in this case. It is, of course, a misfortune that Muslims seemingly share a notion with the radicals, and that alone is tightening the leashes aroud their necks. After having many such conversations with many such people, I've realized, Mantis, that there is one meaningful step that can be taken to begin an opposition against this plague of the world: communication between the two sides. Between my side and your side. I'm quite sure that you, too, have realized by now that there are many things that we both do not know about each other, many hind sights that we're trapped in, much bias that has caused us to pick out swords and not really think about why we're attacking what we're attacking. This lack of communication is one of the more bigger reasons of why things have reached such a detrimental stage. And, of course, when England and America decide to sit on the table, with their cups of tea, and discuss certain important matters about their futures, I doubt they'd also extend the invitation to Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Syria or the likes. You see, these mongers aren't fit to be in their company. Their futures can be decided without their participation. A good colleague and friend of mine likes to say, "When two members fight, there's always a third which benefits", and I trust that. |
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Shrimperor said: P3B1G5 said: Just look at what Muslims are doing in Myanmar, the answer is obvious. They are being persecuted there and locked in villages... Bullshit. The Muslims in Myanmar are trying to carve out their own Islamic State. They are trying to destabilize the country and are carrying out assassinations. The Muslim groups you see operating in Myanmar have connections with Al-Qaeda. Buddhist monks are retaliating from what the Muslims are doing to their people and country. Buddhist monks were originally some of the most peaceful people on earth until the presence of Islam showed up. If you are a peaceful Muslim you shouldn't be anywhere near Myanmar. |
P3B1G5 said: Bullshit. The Muslims in Myanmar are trying to carve out their own Islamic State. They are trying to destabilize the country and are carrying out assassinations. The Muslim groups you see operating in Myanmar have connections with Al-Qaeda. Buddhist monks are retaliating from what the Muslims are doing to their people and country. Buddhist monks were originally some of the most peaceful people on earth until the presence of Islam showed up. If you are a peaceful Muslim you shouldn't be anywhere near Myanmar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-32803293 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34739690 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32872362 So much for being the most peaceful people on earth. Every Religion has it's fare Share of Extremists, Buddhism included. |
| i don't approve of a lot of islam's ideologies like the sharia law, so those muslims that are in side with them, i am obviously going to oppose. And it's not even the case of distinguishing between their religion and what they are outside of religion, because at the end of the day their belief is part of them, so I just avoid those kinds of muslims entirely. Those that are moderate generally will get along with me, even if they play ignorant for the sake of blending with western society. But then again the latter goes for anyone, you could be a serial killer pretending to be a saint. |
k0k0 said: Shariah isn't un-Islamic, but it is pretty much considered to be set in stone by countries like Saudi Arabia, which choose to interpret it in the most restricted senses of judgement. Qatar is listed to have apostasy as a crime, but it's probable that it doesn't strictly follow through with this particular branch of law, or, if it does, then it chooses to do so very careful and keep its media and population tightened on the leash. Likewise, countries who don't have apostasy listed as unlawful in their courts may see hangings and death sentences (usually owing to the people, rather than the lawmakers). What I'm trying to convince you of is to not put your faith completely into a stated apostasy law of a nation. When religion blinds its followers, the law seems to evaporate. This is the reason I distrust Islam really. I do see where you're coming from when you explain the Asiya Bibi case in further detail, but it's also clear that the issues with Islam should have been cleared up by now. The damage interpretations of Islam has caused is irreversible. Even with Saudi Arabia having the death penalty for apostasy, not all receive it. They are however lashed and sentenced to jail still. All countries may still have their problems, including islamic ones, but arresting someone for non threatining "crimes" is a serious problem. Proselytizing I think is one of the worst laws as well. The act of tring to convert someone to another religion. I know I've seen that Muslims love to talk about their religion, and so does everyone else, so if you can't do it, that law needs to be criticised. Then again it's a difficult question to answer "do you distrust Muslims". As you said Muslims are at threat a lot of the time, so even they distrust other Muslims. I can't be honest and say I'd ever feel comfortable (if I were Muslim) leaving Islam. I even googled the most peaceful Muslim countries like the Maldives and it didn't take long to find Muslims who fear for their safety. They certainly wouldn't be islamists, I mean the Maldives is a hot spot for tourism still, but if normal everyday Muslims can still feel like you shouldn't announce that you're leaving Islam then I just want to know why. We shouldn't live in a world where you could one day accidentally fear that saying something could get you attacked, and it's these laws and rules that don't help. I've lost count of the amount of Muslims who say you just shouldn't announce that you're no longer Muslim because it could provoke something. How do so many Muslims in my secular democratic country have the same views as Muslims in Islamic countries? What makes them so infuriated whenever someone has an opposing opinion of Islam? Another way to look at it is with Christianity. If I were a homosexual I'd feel more comfortable in any country if Christians found out I was gay. Christians have a clear narrative of how Jesus acted. Muslims believe the bible is corrupted so they don't take any knowledge or values from Jesus, despite apparantly being a highly worshipped prophet. |
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Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
"This is the reason I distrust Islam really. I do see where you're coming from when you explain the Asiya Bibi case in further detail, but it's also clear that the issues with Islam should have been cleared up by now. The damage interpretations of Islam has caused is irreversible." Oh, but my dear Englishman, this is the very reason you should be thanking your stars for! That Islam has interspersed between its followers, along with its law. Imagine if the religion was perfectly accepted in identical interpretation (be it wrong or right) and obeyed with utter zeal and no exceptions. Imagine 1.6 billion Muslims of a hive-mind, supporting all forms of Non-Muslim fears. The rest of the world wouldn't have survived it. It is fortunate for the differences to exist, because this keeps the balance in the religion, if I am allowed to say so. If a Muslim does you wrong in his ideology, there will currently be another one to stop him or protect you, using the same ideology differently. It is lucky for everyone that Islam is not followed to its nook and crannies with drones. It is a good fate that damaged interpretations have scored interreligious wars because, otherwise, all those wars would've been waged against the West, in much probability. Religion and spirituality is not so simple. I'd always viewed it as more of a personal matter, so even if there was a hive-mind of modernism in Islam, rather than traditionalism, it would've still sparked hostility. Wouldn't you agree? As for arresting someone for non threatening 'crimes', that's solely Saudi Arab's problem, really. They're some hard-to-reason-with people. "Proselytizing I think is one of the worst laws as well." You'd think rightly had it actually been a law. Proselytizing is not a law of Islam, thank fully. That would be ridiculous, I know. And about your narration regarding this... I am going to be completely honest with you: it's alien to me. I promise you I haven't ever heard of proselytizing being enforced anywhere near my part of the world, and I personally know a few reverts myself. Actively hiding reversion may or may not be practiced, depending on, not Islamic rules, but on societal stigma of a particular country. One can be loud about it, but it's wiser to not throw a party about you not being Muslim anymore if you're living in a Muslim republic and come from a Muslim background. This, by no means, indicates that the next day your head will be on a pike. No no. Fairy tales, Mantis. The most you'd get is "What a cursed family" or "How tragic. He's strayed off the rightful path". Yeah. That's about it. Of course, Saudi Arab is the exception to every case. But I even know Saudi reverts. Contrary to what you said, while we believe that the Bible has been corrupted, Jesus remains a Prophet for us and his teachings are definitely used to derive Islamic values. No doubt there. |
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Ivisire said: k0k0 said: A good colleague and friend of mine likes to say, "When two members fight, there's always a third which benefits", and I trust that. and the third guy is who created the fight? That is the implication of the quote, yes. |
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| Definitely. I hate radicals in general. You can believe what you want, just keep it to yourself. |
Seiya0890 said: But its still disgusting from my point of view, and from the word's point of view, therefore its disgusting. Wise words. |
| No, to generalize distrust or dislike onto those who practice Islam shows that you're unintelligent and uneducated. |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
k0k0 said: Do you agree that there needs to be a time when certain interpretations are eradicated? We've had the same issue in Christianity that caused much violence before, but now there's not really any Christian interpretations that involve "purging" someone for example. There's too many interpretation in Islam where Muslims view non Muslims as scum, like with Christianity at some point it should ideally reach a point where certain stigmas and interpretations in Islam are left as history. If even people speaking about Islam feel intimidated then I don't know how far we've come in "reforming" the religion.Oh, but my dear Englishman, this is the very reason you should be thanking your stars for! That Islam has interspersed between its followers, along with its law. Imagine if the religion was perfectly accepted in identical interpretation (be it wrong or right) and obeyed with utter zeal and no exceptions. Imagine 1.6 billion Muslims of a hive-mind, supporting all forms of Non-Muslim fears. The rest of the world wouldn't have survived it. It is fortunate for the differences to exist, because this keeps the balance in the religion, if I am allowed to say so. If a Muslim does you wrong in his ideology, there will currently be another one to stop him or protect you, using the same ideology differently. It is lucky for everyone that Islam is not followed to its nook and crannies with drones. It is a good fate that damaged interpretations have scored interreligious wars because, otherwise, all those wars would've been waged against the West, in much probability. Religion and spirituality is not so simple. I'd always viewed it as more of a personal matter, so even if there was a hive-mind of modernism in Islam, rather than traditionalism, it would've still sparked hostility. Wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure about the hive mind of modern views of Islam. When debating Islam I've seen a lot of people answer everything by criticising the salafists. Everything seems to be answered by just saying the issues arise from sharia. When really the salafists also know their Quran and are emulating Muhammad, which the Quran tells you to do (I think). I know salafists have caused many problems with islam in my country, and they're all supposed to be quite knowledgable scholars. k0k0 said: When you say it's not a law of Islam do you mean it's not in the Quran or hadith? Because pretty much every Islamic country has it as a crime to try and convert a Muslim. You'd think rightly had it actually been a law. Proselytizing is not a law of Islam, thank fully. That would be ridiculous, I know. And about your narration regarding this... I am going to be completely honest with you: it's alien to me. I promise you I haven't ever heard of proselytizing being enforced anywhere near my part of the world, and I personally know a few reverts myself. Actively hiding reversion may or may not be practiced, depending on, not Islamic rules, but on societal stigma of a particular country. One can be loud about it, but it's wiser to not throw a party about you not being Muslim anymore if you're living in a Muslim republic and come from a Muslim background. This, by no means, indicates that the next day your head will be on a pike. No no. Fairy tales, Mantis. The most you'd get is "What a cursed family" or "How tragic. He's strayed off the rightful path". Yeah. That's about it. If every Islamic country has always got away with having these laws then Muslims must like having them. Surely if you believe you shouldn't be able to try and convert a Muslim you'd see a problem with differences between salafists, sunnis or whatever else never modernizing? Aside from it obviously just being anti democratic to not be aloud true freedom of religion. I'd be too scared to live in an autocracy or theocracy. k0k0 said: But that would require reading the gospel as well as the Quran, whereas a lot of Muslims I've met don't agree that the events of the gospel played out how they did at all. The injeel isn't with humans. Contrary to what you said, while we believe that the Bible has been corrupted, Jesus remains a Prophet for us and his teachings are definitely used to derive Islamic values. No doubt there. What I mean is there isn't really any or enough detail of Jesus's message in the Quran. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
It seems we're traversing towards personal opinions now. So far, all I'd wanted to do was create factual awareness. But now that you've touched on questions that probe me for my views--something I don't like handing out so freely on a subject so sensitive. Interpretations cannot be eradicated, they can only be interpreted differently, which they are. To actually eradicate an interpretation means to eradicate that part of the Quran or hadith--something that cannot happen. I haven't heard of any interpretation that calls Non-Muslims scum in the Quran; unless you're referring to the narrations from the Prophet's life time which tells us of the violence he had to endure at the hands of the idol worshipers in his quest to spread Islam, in which case they were the ones who viewed the last Prophet and his people as scum. The Quran does warn against Jews, however and it refers to the rest as 'unbelievers' which is a term used literally, and not offensively. The religion itself cannot be reformed. Its following can. People probably criticize Salafists/Wahhabis because they're usually puritans and happen to blur the line between acceptably personal ultraconservatism and radicalism. Saudi Arabia is a prime example of people who promote Wahhabism. I haven't had much experience with Salafists/Wahhabis otherwise. Their derivations of Quran has little flexibility and is accused, often, to be too literal. It is in the Quran to actually not enforce proselytizing. There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. Al-Baqarah, 2:256 And say, The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve. (Surat Al-Kahf 18:29) So yes. The Quran definitely opposes proselytism. And no, not 'pretty much every Islamic country' has it as a crime. You've been misinformed, I believe. "If every Islamic country has always got away with having these laws then Muslims must like having them." That is a dangerously generalized statement, Mantis. As for seeing problems with the differences... it's a little too late for that now, don't you think? The difficulty lies in the notion of the differences themselves. One group cannot out win the other in a matter of faith. It's faith. "But that would require reading the gospel as well as the Quran, whereas a lot of Muslims I've met don't agree that the events of the gospel played out how they did at all. The injeel isn't with humans. What I mean is there isn't really any or enough detail of Jesus's message in the Quran." Even stories of our Prophets hold inconclusive or warped sects. There is a basic plot that is accepted by all; the disagreements erupt when it comes to the finer details, which, in my opinion, can be deemed irrelevant or taken in the best form. The Quran is not the only source of knowledge for Islam. Hadiths make up a huge part, as well as historical texts from scribes from the Prophet's time (sahabas). Have you read the Quran? |
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| i distrust and fear maybe since only hear bad things about them. |
| I haven't meet (wrong grammar?) a single Muslim here in Brazil, but I dislike most religious people, so I think I would dislike them as well. |
k0k0 said: That's what I mean, it's following at some point needs to change. That's what I was asking, don't you agree certain beliefs Muslims have has gone on way to long? Like longer than any other religion. Interpretations cannot be eradicated, they can only be interpreted differently, which they are. To actually eradicate an interpretation means to eradicate that part of the Quran or hadith--something that cannot happen. I haven't heard of any interpretation that calls Non-Muslims scum in the Quran; unless you're referring to the narrations from the Prophet's life time which tells us of the violence he had to endure at the hands of the idol worshipers in his quest to spread Islam, in which case they were the ones who viewed the last Prophet and his people as scum. The Quran does warn against Jews, however and it refers to the rest as 'unbelievers' which is a term used literally, and not offensively. The religion itself cannot be reformed. Its following can. Leaving Islam is the perfect example. In any country time after time again people say leaving islam was the most nerve racking thing they've experienced. I said earlier that Muhammad was also reported saying "whoever leaves their religion kill them". You mentioned there's no compulsion in religion so what I'm getting at is that there has to be a reason the stigma of leaving Islam hasn't faded away. As for proselityzing there's no specific website that lists it's laws like the one I gave before showing all the apostacy laws. So you need to just google each country unfortunately. I did already give you the Maldives as an example though. Morrocco http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/01/149976/morocco-christian-convert-arrested-in-fez/ Algeria https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2008/06-June/newsarticle_5403.html/ Malaysia Proselytizing seems to be a neverending stigma. Kind of a warped view of freedom of religion if people want proselytizing illegal. I've read about a quarter of the Quran. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| I distrust all communities like they have, also I dislike all foreigners and people who aren't from my county so take that how you will. They're everywhere in my home town now, walking around in gangs talking gibberish to each other while eye balling you as they walk past. I doubt any of them work either since they all hang around outside of their council houses smoking and drinking no matter what time you walk past on any day, and the ones with the bed sheets on their head are every where in the town too which should be banned for security, I can't wear my bike helmet into a petrol station but they can go into banks, airports and anywhere else with their entire body covered. |
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