Dimension W
The artist display that w-axis is in an opposite direction of x-axis, but in fact it is just lays on the x-axis.  --- Something like this would make more sense:  |
ExTemplarJan 23, 2016 6:40 PM
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| i think its a forgivable goof but it does kinda defeat some of the shows credibility lol |
| Yeah, that's been bothering me. That's not a new dimension, it's just negative x... |
yuiyuigahama said: Well, maybe animators did not have any choice or were to shy to let author know about this.i think its a forgivable goof but it does kinda defeat some of the shows credibility lol |
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| Yeah it's been bugging me for a while but I try to overlook that and appreciate the premise of the show. |
| Its definitely a goof as the one on the bottom is technically better but in reality neither would be accurate representations of the 4th dimension. Since we live observing a 3d world its hard to imagine an extra dimension and show it in a 2d picture. I like how they showed the dimension collapse. Look up google images of the fourth dimension |
eXtacy67Jan 24, 2016 1:50 AM
yuiyuigahama said: i think its a forgivable goof but it does kinda defeat some of the shows credibility lol Yeah, credibility like not knowing basic mathematics. Probably not just exclusive to a single person either since this must have passed though several inspections in order for it to be animated. |
| It would be easier to overlook if it wasn't at the start of every episode. Putting that aside, what do you think about representing DW as an outer layer of a sphere created by rotating all 3 axis at the same time? At least with some animation it would look cooler. |
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| It bothers me. I don't get it at all. It's ruining the show for me in a way, because I can't get the main point. |
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| If this wasn't thrown at us in every episode I wouldn't mind, but it feels like the studio is trying to prove to us that w = -x. Let me guess u = -y? |
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| Maybe they thought actually explaining a proper fourth spatial dimension would be too hard or time consuming - which it kind of is |
| What bothers me more than this is that we already have a 4th dimension. It's called time(t). This would be a 5th dimension. |
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| Doesn't really bother me since you can't depict another axis on an XYZ graph since it's 3D and you can't add anymore. They had to draw something, so I think it's a forgivable thing. |
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| ^ I agree with Jayden, and honestly, it's not like that little blunder is going to make or break the anime. Also, I don't think "Dimension Negative X" would be a good name lol. It's fine. |
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Jayden said: They did not have to, or they could show in some other way.They had to draw something. |
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yuiyuigahama said: yup, luckily there is a better explanation later in the showi think its a forgivable goof but it does kinda defeat some of the shows credibility lol Demi_V said: put aside W for a moment and think about heatIt bothers me. I don't get it at all. It's ruining the show for me in a way, because I can't get the main point. every position into space(x,y,z) has a certain temperature, now try to imagine if you could see a number for each point into space(x,y,z) saying what temperature is there, call that "t" for temperature, that number is like an extra dimension describing the temperature of any point into space, so if you decide to use that you have a spacial system with (x,y,z,t) example: (3 meters east, 6 meters north, 2 meters upside, 34° in that place) dunno if this will help to understand it :u |
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| The only flawed logic is that damn drawing though. From the illustrations during the anime, it doesn't seem to be referring to -x |
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ExTamplier said: Jayden said: They did not have to, or they could show in some other way.They had to draw something. They gotta spend dat animation money |
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| wow that vote poll is treble wheres no? i passed math but i really don't care your making the vote 1 sided with the options so they put it on the negative x sue them its not the first anime to ignore math and science for starters most mecha and Attack on titans the giant monsters/mechs would be crushed under there own weight |
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Ein said: Yeah, that's been bothering me. That's not a new dimension, it's just negative x... LOL. i'm so stupid. i just realize it, that W just the negative X -_-". i really didn't pay attention on that one. so yeah....this is the right one... but it doesn't really bother me. just try to ask the author...maybe he have the reason..or maybe he didn't realize it. or maybe that one made by the director ? i haven't read the manga. |
YizelTroJan 24, 2016 1:42 PM
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| In reality the space we live in is positive. No negative dimension has been observed. If you could find a negative dimension and travel to it you could theoretically draw energy from it (- and + equalize to 0 and create energy). And because in the real world dimensions x, y and z are not really defined, you can not know if the negative dimension is -x, -y or -z. So you name it W. I think W=(-x,-y,-z) |
| Yeah, but how else are they supposed to explain it? I just kind of roll with it |
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| Also pulling energy out of a dimension like that doesn't make sense either. |
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Zeando said: Demi_V said: put aside W for a moment and think about heatIt bothers me. I don't get it at all. It's ruining the show for me in a way, because I can't get the main point. every position into space(x,y,z) has a certain temperature, now try to imagine if you could see a number for each point into space(x,y,z) saying what temperature is there, call that "t" for temperature, that number is like an extra dimension describing the temperature of any point into space, so if you decide to use that you have a spacial system with (x,y,z,t) example: (3 meters east, 6 meters north, 2 meters upside, 34° in that place) dunno if this will help to understand it :u That's actually a scalar field, isn't it? Takuan_Soho said: Not really. While I would have preferred them to show a tesseract, without wasting time to explain it, there would be no point. I would rather have the graphic they showed than a long exposition about this dimension. First option I thought xD |
| Nope, I couldn't really care less as long as the anime is enjoyable to watch. I don't really expect any realism when watching anime in the first place. |
GrimlandDomain said: In reality the space we live in is positive. No negative dimension has been observed. If you could find a negative dimension and travel to it you could theoretically draw energy from it (- and + equalize to 0 and create energy). And because in the real world dimensions x, y and z are not really defined, you can not know if the negative dimension is -x, -y or -z. So you name it W. I think W=(-x,-y,-z) The "dimensions" aren't defined to be positive euclidian space, either, so this wouldn't explain it either. Last time I read about it the world was more or less assumed to be an expanding sphere, which would have negative value coordinates. |
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| It's really not far enough towards the hard end of the sci-fi scale for this to matter. |
| both are wrong cuz you can't draw the 4th dimension |
| Nothing really makes sense in this show. |
Valaskjalf said: No shit captain..both are wrong cuz you can't draw the 4th dimension |
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ExTamplier said: Valaskjalf said: No shit captain..both are wrong cuz you can't draw the 4th dimension Then why does it bother you? No matter how they draw it, it won't make sense |
Valaskjalf said: Because original is a blatant error.ExTamplier said: Then why does it bother you?No shit captain.. No matter how they draw it, it won't make sense They show crossover of xyz and w, and they show that y and z keep on going. But w is a continuation of x. |
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| I couldn't care less. |
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alkchf said: Zeando said: put aside W for a moment and think about heat every position into space(x,y,z) has a certain temperature, now try to imagine if you could see a number for each point into space(x,y,z) saying what temperature is there, call that "t" for temperature, that number is like an extra dimension describing the temperature of any point into space, so if you decide to use that you have a spacial system with (x,y,z,t) example: (3 meters east, 6 meters north, 2 meters upside, 34° in that place) dunno if this will help to understand it :u That's actually a scalar field, isn't it? had to look that up cause i don't know the tecnical name, but guess the one used in the example is a scalar field wonder if W is scalar, vectorial, or any other kind, and which kind of energy is that, since it's used for electricy i was thinking it had to be something magnetic still i think W is a variable of a field of some kind |
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| Math is by far my best subject at school which makes this depiction of a w-axis even more frustrating for me. As soon as I saw the image of it I literally thought, "What the hell is this!? That isn't a w-axis! All they've done is gone an extending the x-values into the negatives. It should be diagonal off in some direction not that!" This almost made me want to stop watching this... But I guess you can excuse it. It's hard to come up with a credible forth dimension is it not? Its not like they go into a ton of detail about the dimensions anyway so its not like it REALLY matters. Still annoys the s*** out of me. |
naki13 said: Yes, but at least it is not just on a single axis.Even if you draw it like in the second picture, the 3 axes of X, Y and Z already can define all the points on the space. If the 3 axes have negatives, W-axis would have to exist inside the 3D space. |
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naki13 said: If z and y are 0 continually, you don't have 3d. you just have a linear line.@ExTamplier even if it is just the negative X axis it would still be on all 3 axes. Its Z and and Y coordinates would just be 0 (that is assuming the point where all the lines come out from is 0). Either way, it would not be a separate dimension. |
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naki13 said: @ExTamplier since you drew just a linear line, its gonna be a linear line no matter how you draw it (the way you drew it, it is also just a linear line). The line itself will not be 3D, but the space containing it is 3D. If you drew the line to vary non-linearly in the other coordinates (like a curve or spiral or something) then it would be 3D. Still doesnt matter, since it wouldn't be a separate dimension. And why would we be unable to have a line in 4D(or more dimensions, for that matter)? A line can always be described by 1 variable, so having x, y, z, w coordinates depending on that would make as much sense as x, y, z. The main difference is that you know what 3D looks like and can illustrate it. (And also, you can't draw 3D, it's still 2D as long as it's drawn, that it looks like it could be 3D doesn't mean it is). |
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ExTamplier said: naki13 said: Yes, but at least it is not just on a single axis.Even if you draw it like in the second picture, the 3 axes of X, Y and Z already can define all the points on the space. If the 3 axes have negatives, W-axis would have to exist inside the 3D space. the only real(!) way to "draw" 4-dimensional systems is to give each point extra information for example  P_max_abs (0,2, 5, R10) R10=100°C edit: the system only works as 4D if the Z-coordinate isn't related to the temperature. this one is better |
Nigami_ShinJan 26, 2016 11:28 PM
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Nigami_Shin said: That's a much better image.the only way to "draw" 4-dimensional systems is to give each point extra information for example P_max_abs (0,2, 5, R10) R10=100°C |
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naki13 said: CyanElekid said: Actually, I am not sure what you are trying to say with this? I think you can draw 3D. For example, since we live in a 4D world, even if we draw on a piece of paper like a line with paint, the painted line will have length, width and also thickness. This is 3 dimensions. Basically, a line, no matter what space it is imbedded into, is always a 1 dimensional object so you can always map it into R^1(for example by taking its length). As for drawing 3D, of course the paint/ink etc will always have a thickness, but you can't actually see it and thus we can look at it as 2D. |
CyanElekidJan 27, 2016 1:09 AM
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| Come on I'm pretty sure the Japanese know what they are doing since they're able to do calculus in the 5th grade. |
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bobzanny said: So, you think that those kids become animators?Come on I'm pretty sure the Japanese know what they are doing since they're able to do calculus in the 5th grade. |
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