Illyricus- said: Since1900 said: Btw, that avatar of you is the Therizinosaurus of Walking with Dinosaurs's specials?Probably there will be WWIII, I prepare my bunker. Yes, despite WWD is outdated scientifically it has taken a place in my heart. |
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keragamming said: Mikasa wasn't like that for no reason. It was explain why she is so attach to Eren. Anyways. Have you watch owari no seraph? Do you realise in that series females wear skirts while male wers pants? While in snk both the males and females wear the same outfits. You also don't see the female characters being sexualized. The author tries his best to not show a panty shot. He respect his female character. There's a reason why I dropped Seraph. Basically you're nitpickig here, and the fact that you are only focusing on Mikasa shows that you are limited in what you can say about the series. Or is it because that's the main issue I had with the show and the reason I couldn't enjoy it? |
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| What that Sakura-alt said about Mikasa has some truth to it though in my opinion. Most people give a female character a pass as long as she is physically strong, but if this makes the anime sexist? Anyways, please continue. This is good. Ot: I wouldn't want to visit any anime-related website during this time. And please just give me Eva 3.0 + 1.0 already :( |
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Since1900 said: Don't worry, I'm also a big fan of the series (and dinosaurs in general). I don't care about the scientist details, that series was my childhood. Good taste, man.Illyricus- said: Btw, that avatar of you is the Therizinosaurus of Walking with Dinosaurs's specials? Yes, despite WWD is outdated scientifically it has taken a place in my heart. |
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_HeroKenzan_ said: What that Sakura-alt said about Mikasa has some truth to it though in my opinion. Most people give a female character a pass as long as she is physically strong, but if this makes the anime sexist? Anyways, please continue. This is good. Do you know how insulting this is? You're essentially saying my opinion doesn't matter because I'm a troll or something. Just beacause my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean I'm joking. How about I call you a troll for trying to say this. EvilDragon16 said: CherryLover said: Why do you Baiters always twist my words? I never said they should "dominate men in every way". I asked that female characters be portrayed in a way that they don't rely on men as if they'd die if they aren't there. Is what I'm asking for not reasonable? I bet your next move is to call me a femnazi, as your kind always does. Woah ,someone's cranky . In the first place while she's reliant on Eren to an extent I feel like you're completely ignoring everything else .In the first episode after Eren supposedly died and Armin was panicking who was the one that calmed him down and told him to assess the situation ?Which character was the one to give Eren support and reinforce his will to fight titans ?In any case this feels like an unfair claim since its obvious that she has feelings for Eren .She pretty much lives the guy . Exactly, the story made her reliant on Eren. Her backstory does NOT give her a free pass. |
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CherryLover said: ItsMaz said: Even in the anime though, there are multiple other females who are important to the story. Annie and Hanges first and foremost; I'd say after Mikasa those are the two main female characters presented. Neither of them are portrayed in a misogynistic manner. Hanges is an eccentrically fun character who's information gathering is incredibly important to understanding the Titans. She serves as a mirror image of Levi, who is calm and collected. Annie serves pretty much as a mirror image to Eren. . So in that regard, she cannot be seen as a sexist character, unless you also consider Eren to be a sexist character. I agree that Annie and Hanges aren't portrayed in a sexist manner, but Mikasa is. That's what I have been stating all along. She is a caricature of a lovestruck girl whose only goal in life is to serve men. Isn't that sexist? Your initial statement was "AoT is incredibly sexist". This implies that you feel like the entire show and the vast majority of the females are portrayed in a sexist manner. But as for Mikasa - I'd disagree on her being portrayed in a sexist manner. I just find her to be a poorly written character. Even if the genders were swapped I'd think of it the same - it's just a one dimensional character that lacks any development. But at least in Mikasa's case, you do get shown why she acts the way she does, on two separate occasions. Firstly, the way she came to be in the Jaeger family's care and how they took care of her all those years. Secondly, the promise she made to Eren's mother about always taking care of him. She has actual reasons for being the way she is - it's not like she's one of those harem girls who falls head over heels with the MC just because he's the MC. That would certainly be a more misogynistic manner of showing her. As annoying as it is to hear her shout Eren! Eren! every 5 seconds of screentime, at least we were given the backstory of why she acts like she acts. Not to mention Armin; as AltoRoark below me says, Armin has his epiphany about how he has always relied on Eren and Mikasa ever since he was little. He was shown to be useless and weak, unable to stand up for himself. He's just as clingy towards Eren as Mikasa is. |
MazJan 14, 2016 12:39 PM
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| @CherryLover Armin is pretty weak as well. If anything he's even more reliant on Eren than Mikasa is. And what about the girl with blonde hair? She's pretty damn strong from what I've seen. But no, if there's just ONE instance of a female being "clingy", the entire show is sexist in your eyes. |
AltoRoarkJan 14, 2016 12:45 PM
ItsMaz said: CherryLover said: I agree that Annie and Hanges aren't portrayed in a sexist manner, but Mikasa is. That's what I have been stating all along. She is a caricature of a lovestruck girl whose only goal in life is to serve men. Isn't that sexist? Your initial statement was "AoT is incredibly sexist". This implies that you feel like the entire show and the vast majority of the females are portrayed in a sexist manner. But as for Mikasa - I'd disagree on her being portrayed in a sexist manner. I just find her to be a poorly written character. Even if the genders were swapped I'd think of it the same - it's just a one dimensional character that lacks any development. But at least in Mikasa's case, you do get shown why she acts the way she does, on two separate occasions. Firstly, the way she came to be in the Jaeger family's care and how they took care of her all those years. Secondly, the promise she made to Eren's mother about always taking care of him. She has actual reasons for being the way she is - it's not like she's one of those harem girls who falls head over heels with the MC just because he's the MC. That would certainly be a more misogynistic manner of showing her. As annoying as it is to hear her shout Eren! Eren! every 5 seconds of screentime, at least we were given the backstory of why she acts like she acts. I find that she's a one-dimensional character that is portrayed in a very sexist manner because of that one-dimensional personality. Normally, one character like this would not mean the whole show is sexist, but she's the main female lead, and the one who is constantly portrayed as "strong" when she clearly isn't. I also am of the strong belief that just because she has a sad backstory, that doesn't mean she should act like that all the time. The story should let her grow out of it and stand up on her own without relying on men like it's the only thing she is made to do. |
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| I don't know if Attack on titan is sexist, but Mikasa is a bad character aside from any supposed sexist traits. |
CherryLover said: ItsMaz said: Your initial statement was "AoT is incredibly sexist". This implies that you feel like the entire show and the vast majority of the females are portrayed in a sexist manner. But as for Mikasa - I'd disagree on her being portrayed in a sexist manner. I just find her to be a poorly written character. Even if the genders were swapped I'd think of it the same - it's just a one dimensional character that lacks any development. But at least in Mikasa's case, you do get shown why she acts the way she does, on two separate occasions. Firstly, the way she came to be in the Jaeger family's care and how they took care of her all those years. Secondly, the promise she made to Eren's mother about always taking care of him. She has actual reasons for being the way she is - it's not like she's one of those harem girls who falls head over heels with the MC just because he's the MC. That would certainly be a more misogynistic manner of showing her. As annoying as it is to hear her shout Eren! Eren! every 5 seconds of screentime, at least we were given the backstory of why she acts like she acts. I find that she's a one-dimensional character that is portrayed in a very sexist manner because of that one-dimensional personality. Normally, one character like this would not mean the whole show is sexist, but she's the main female lead, and the one who is constantly portrayed as "strong" when she clearly isn't. I also am of the strong belief that just because she has a sad backstory, that doesn't mean she should act like that all the time. The story should let her grow out of it and stand up on her own without relying on men like it's the only thing she is made to do. She doesn't rely on men though, she relies on Eren. That's a very specific difference. We're actually shown on many occasions how other characters rely on Mikasa to save them. And the same with the aforementioned Armin : he relied on both Mikasa and Eren to save him because of how weak he was. I agree that the story should progress and let her evolve, but IMO that's more poor writing on author's part than a sexist portrayal of women. |
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| @cherrylover. Eren is the only family member that is still alive, she doesn't want to loose him, which is why she is so clingy to him. You have seen what Mikasa has gone through, and just because she show this flaw in her character, you are going to say it is sexist? Eren is jealous of Mikasa strength, he doesn't want her to say protect him all the time. You make it sound like eren is the macho guy that can do anything, and Mikasa is simple a princess peach. Also I'm not even a fan of mikasa, but you basically want mikasa to just be a op character that shows no weaknesses. She's already underdeveloped as it is, this clingy side of her to eren makes her a little bit more human tbh. |
keragammingJan 14, 2016 12:50 PM
| @Cherry Okay so I've read your replies to ItsMaz and basically you're saying that Mikasa's character is conceptually sexist while the other ones in the series aren't . But it isn't .While her character is reliant on Eren calling her existence as a character ''sexist'' would be nitpicking .If you could say the same for others in the series then that would be one thing but in this case you can't .This is more like you just lashing out at anything that seems even remotely weakening to your image of females and ignoring the fact that that is simply how she was written .No sexism or the like intended . Edit - Dammit look at all the replies .Now I feel bad because it looks like we're ganging up on her . |
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ItsMaz said: Lol at mentioning SAO 3 and including it with the rest. That's gonna cause a shitstorm for sure. I'd say people would just exclaim about how it was the best season ever. Sao with the other 3? Cmon u didnt mean that either |
| If a ton of super hyped shows came out at once it would be Pandemonium. I loved Attack on Titan and never thought Mikasa's character was sexist because of how she was. She looks after him because his family looked after her and she made a promise to his mother to look after him. I always thought she was quite a strong character because she can go and fight the titans by herself and is very good at it. |
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| I could imagine a lot of shitty threads being made and CherryLover derailing them for her own personal sense of justice, despite looking foolish throughout the entire thing. |
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ItsMaz said: CherryLover said: I find that she's a one-dimensional character that is portrayed in a very sexist manner because of that one-dimensional personality. Normally, one character like this would not mean the whole show is sexist, but she's the main female lead, and the one who is constantly portrayed as "strong" when she clearly isn't. I also am of the strong belief that just because she has a sad backstory, that doesn't mean she should act like that all the time. The story should let her grow out of it and stand up on her own without relying on men like it's the only thing she is made to do. She doesn't rely on men though, she relies on Eren. That's a very specific difference. We're actually shown on many occasions how other characters rely on Mikasa to save them. And the same with the aforementioned Armin : he relied on both Mikasa and Eren to save him because of how weak he was. I agree that the story should progress and let her evolve, but IMO that's more poor writing on author's part than a sexist portrayal of women. Well, it's not just her that relies on Eren. Most of the cast has had to rely on Eren at some point or another when he's not being kidnapped or something like that. While I don't think her portrayal is sexist per se, the way she is written as being able to disregard superior orders to save Eren doesn't help her from being one dimensional. So she's not exactly sexist but is pretty close. |
ItsMaz said: CherryLover said: I find that she's a one-dimensional character that is portrayed in a very sexist manner because of that one-dimensional personality. Normally, one character like this would not mean the whole show is sexist, but she's the main female lead, and the one who is constantly portrayed as "strong" when she clearly isn't. I also am of the strong belief that just because she has a sad backstory, that doesn't mean she should act like that all the time. The story should let her grow out of it and stand up on her own without relying on men like it's the only thing she is made to do. She doesn't rely on men though, she relies on Eren. That's a very specific difference. We're actually shown on many occasions how other characters rely on Mikasa to save them. And the same with the aforementioned Armin : he relied on both Mikasa and Eren to save him because of how weak he was. I agree that the story should progress and let her evolve, but IMO that's more poor writing on author's part than a sexist portrayal of women. If anything, it's the author's fault for portraying her in a way that can be interpreted as sexism. Making a female character so dependent on the male and not having the latter feel the same to her is not equality in any way. Holybaptiser said: I could imagine a lot of shitty threads being made and CherryLover derailing them for her own personal sense of justice, despite looking foolish throughout the entire thing. If you have nothing better to say, then don't say it. |
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| Most people would be pretty happy. The fans of those shows, typically referred as "filthy casuals", usually don't care what other anime fans like as long as they all like anime and don't go out of their way to bash shows. There would be a lot people who were butthurt about their popularity posting about it. |
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| Wow. None of these shows have aired and somehow a war has already broken out. |
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CherryLover said: You've made it clear through your arguments that you have no sense of measure for the words you use. You imply things grandiose but only narrow the scope to a single thing. Why would I need to say anything worth real thought to you? You're not worth my effort - there is no point for me to give thoughtful explanations to someone who can't even make a proper point in what they say.ItsMaz said: She doesn't rely on men though, she relies on Eren. That's a very specific difference. We're actually shown on many occasions how other characters rely on Mikasa to save them. And the same with the aforementioned Armin : he relied on both Mikasa and Eren to save him because of how weak he was. I agree that the story should progress and let her evolve, but IMO that's more poor writing on author's part than a sexist portrayal of women. If anything, it's the author's fault for portraying her in a way that can be interpreted as sexism. Making a female character so dependent on the male and not having the latter feel the same to her is not equality in any way. Holybaptiser said: I could imagine a lot of shitty threads being made and CherryLover derailing them for her own personal sense of justice, despite looking foolish throughout the entire thing. If you have nothing better to say, then don't say it. |
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holy_snappers said: Wow. None of these shows have aired and somehow a war has already broken out. Sasuga OP .No thread with Cherry is boring . |
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CherryLover said: _HeroKenzan_ said: What that Sakura-alt said about Mikasa has some truth to it though in my opinion. Most people give a female character a pass as long as she is physically strong, but if this makes the anime sexist? Anyways, please continue. This is good. Do you know how insulting this is? You're essentially saying my opinion doesn't matter because I'm a troll or something. Just beacause my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean I'm joking. How about I call you a troll for trying to say this. This can't be true because I was, in a way, agreeing with your opinion. You can call me whatever you want, it's not insulting. |
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| I don't see how Mikasa does depend on Eren, maybe it's just me but I never thought that once. Or anything about her being sexist. Plus lots of people have one sided crushes, it's the way of the world. You're attracted to someone but they aren't to you. It's just the same as if you have a crush on a celeb. I think Eren does feel he has to protect her too, just she may be in love with him and he may just think of her in a sisterly way as they grew up together. |
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| It's not confirmed that OPM or SAO get another season, but it is confirmed that AOT and Steins;Gate 0 are coming out. That being said, I'm going with Steins Gate 0. For one thing, I hate SAO, and another, AOT in amazing, but It doesn't stand against a show that is a midquel to one of my top 5s. AOT was number 10. OPM would be third most hyped, because its amazing and all but there isn't really a huge plot. The only thing I see happening is the main character becoming S ranked after a series of comedic fights and people saying he's cheating. Etc. Etc. At least AOT and Steins;Gate have a REAL plot. |
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KaoruMatsuoka said: Well, it's not just her that relies on Eren. Most of the cast has had to rely on Eren at some point or another when he's not being kidnapped or something like that. While I don't think her portrayal is sexist per se, the way she is written as being able to disregard superior orders to save Eren doesn't help her from being one dimensional. So she's not exactly sexist but is pretty close. Exactly, everybody relies on Eren. He's not indicative of men at all, he's just the MC who gets super powers. It's quite natural for everyone to gravitate around and both use and revere him. As for her disregarding orders - I'd say that just shows the strength of their familial love. Mikasa's had her family killed twice. It makes sense for her to prioritise herself and Eren since he's the only person she has left. Not to mention Eren disobeys orders all the time. He gets an entire speech from Levi precisely in order to stop him from doing his own thing all the time. CherryLover said: If anything, it's the author's fault for portraying her in a way that can be interpreted as sexism. Making a female character so dependent on the male and not having the latter feel the same to her is not equality in any way. I agree it's the author's fault for doing a poor job on her, but I'd hesitate to call it sexist. It boils down to "This character has a flaw, therefore it's sexist." That's a very slippery slope to take. Where will you draw the line between what's sexist and just what's a poor character? And since you said "not having the latter feel the same", I could use that, actually, to try and argue that Eren is a character that's a sexist portrayal of men, if I were so inclined. He refuses Mikasa's help all the time; he often gets pissed off at her for taking care of him. He portrays the stereotype that "Men should not need to rely on the help of women. Ideal perfect men can do everything by themselves. If you rely on the help of others, you're not a manly man, you're a weak useless person like Armin. Real men beat their chest and scream every 5 minutes about how they are gonna kill everything that gets in their way like Eren does." I disagree with that line of thinking but it follows the same logic used towards Mikasa. "This character has a flaw, therefore this character portrays a certain stereotype / idealist person / etc". |
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| If that ever happens it's better to stay out of the internet community and just watch anime for yourself instead of reading other opinions XD |
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| imma prepare some popcorn that will last for a season or two |
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| The amount of shitposting threads would be overwhelming, I'd still love it though. |
| Probably the internet will be flooded with "ANIME IS SAVED" memes. I would close my internet and enjoy watching them in peace. |
| O man that would be so nice. xD Everyone would bitch about which show would be the best lolol. Best scenario ever ;) |
| Whoa. I should've brought popcorn. I've already seen OPM fill up page 1 of AD, put all those shows together in one season... ayayay imagine the traffic |
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| I'm thinking SAO III because the fanbase, (Myself as well) Hope that the III time is the charm and we get an Anime as Enthralling and Beautiful as Season 1 of SAO (Anicrad) |
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Marlonv1 said: I'm thinking SAO III because the fanbase, (Myself as well) Hope that the III time is the charm and we get an Anime as Enthralling and Beautiful as Season 1 of SAO (Anicrad) I'd say SAO III is going to be the most hated anime of the season it comes out it in. Even some previous SAO fans didnt like SAO II so why would they stick around for III after what happened? |
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jasonj5 said: Since when is Sao one of the best animes ? No one said it was one of the beast, after all: Hyped=/=Best |
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Valenthius said: Marlonv1 said: I'm thinking SAO III because the fanbase, (Myself as well) Hope that the III time is the charm and we get an Anime as Enthralling and Beautiful as Season 1 of SAO (Anicrad) I'd say SAO III is going to be the most hated anime of the season it comes out it in. Even some previous SAO fans didnt like SAO II so why would they stick around for III after what happened? Because Project Alicization is masterrace . |
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| I would watch them all at the same time and I would have an opinion on all of them. |
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| If the good things of an hypothetical SAO III are true, I can actually see the series ranked higher than the first season. |
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Illyricus- said: If the good things of an hypothetical SAO III are true, I can actually see the series ranked higher than the first season. No way bro .Season 1 has Sugou while Alicization has.......holy crap now that I recall it has someone worthy of succeeding Sugou . Our new saviour shall arrive with the airing of SAO 3 . But that aside reading Alicization was enjoyable . |
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EvilDragon16 said: A new Sugou!? Is that true!? YOU ARE DON'T JOKING WITH ME, RIGHT!?Illyricus- said: If the good things of an hypothetical SAO III are true, I can actually see the series ranked higher than the first season. No way bro .Season 1 has Sugou while Alicization has.......holy crap now that I recall it has someone worthy of succeeding Sugou . Our new saviour shall arrive with the airing of SAO 3 . I just wish that SAO's final boss in the novels would be Sugou returning again to cause more havoc. |
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