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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Lol idols and bands. The gimmicks of this series has more strangeness than I had thought..but still very fun to watch. I like how the episode also shifts a bit with its political affairs. The balance of the episode was well crafted with bits of tragedy too D:  |
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| This episode, really reminds me about X-Men. That masked man power, his power, and then that "3-word blabber" he's talking. "Freedom" for Magneto, "Peace" for Xavier, and then "Justice" for... I don't really sure for that one though. And Kikko is evolving. |
MasceraDec 13, 2015 7:38 AM
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| I love this Claude guy but man the ending was just.....Wow Mind blown |
| Some of their gimmicks are weird. The ending though, that's one slaughter. Kikko's new outfit/transformation is hot cool! 4/5 |
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| Holy shit, Kikko! That transformation is awesome. Insane ending. What is Claude to Jiro? |
SmudyDec 13, 2015 8:04 AM
| This show is literally best thing in the whole year. Holy shit this episode. Is it just me or the "true evil" will be humanity? That's what I see Claude's dialogue going for - Claude most likely was another person Hitoyoshi "took in" but he was somehow experimented upon? Maybe finding out the truth about him is what drives Jiro to leave? And how is Claude connected to Equis? Also Kikko's devil form. Holy shit. How would Kikko know Claude,though, if she only met Jiro just a few years ago? Or did she contract with Claude before? That would explain him knowing who she is. Also dat figh tbetween Shiba and Claude. Holy shit. HOLY SHIT. 9000/5 |
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| Holy shit, what an episode. At first I was thinking of Claude perhaps being Jiro from the future (returning to the past and taking on a persona). But now, I just don't know. He might be another experimental subject of Hitoyoshi's, but even so, what is he to Jiro? And how does Kikko (her devil form) know Claude? Especially if she's known Jiro for a short amount of time. All things aside though, future queen of the devil realm? o_O |
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zerorequiem_ said: Holy shit, what an episode. At first I was thinking of Claude perhaps being Jiro from the future (returning to the past and taking on a persona). But now, I just don't know. He might be another experimental subject of Hitoyoshi's, but even so, what is he to Jiro? And how does Kikko (her devil form) know Claude? Especially if she's known Jiro for a short amount of time. All things aside though, future queen of the devil realm? o_O Claude most likely is the brown haired boy in the photo that Claude dropped. Chances are this means that Kikko knew about Jiro and that family even before she met him in EP1. Implication is that he was experimented on by Hitoyoshi or something(Thus Claude now wants to stop superhumans being turned into weapons for humanity). Also it seems she might have made a contract with Claude, which would explain him knowing who she is. Chances are finding out truth about Claude is what will cause Jiro to break away. And then something else will cause him to want to destroy bureau. |
AhenshihaelDec 13, 2015 9:37 AM
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| HOLY SHIT FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!! |
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Fai said: Claude most likely is the brown haired boy in the photo that Claude dropped. Chances are this means that Kikko knew about Jiro and that family even before she met him in EP1. Implication is that he was experimented on by Hitoyoshi or something(Thus Claude now wants to stop superhumans being turned into weapons for humanity). Also it seems she might have made a contract with Claude, which would explain him knowing who she is. At the beginning of the episode Claude is shown to have brown hair, so yeah, he most likely is the other boy in the photo. Another thing is, I'm thinking Jiro and Claude might have the same demon inside them, perhaps being split into two (which would explain Claude's powers). That or the demons inside them are twins. This would be interesting especially if Claude is seen to be a brother figure to Jiro. A contract with him is what I'm leaning towards as well. This could also very well be an explanation as to why Claude's body is a "metal transformation factory." Instead of being turned that way by Hitoyoshi, that is. |
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zerorequiem_ said: Fai said: Claude most likely is the brown haired boy in the photo that Claude dropped. Chances are this means that Kikko knew about Jiro and that family even before she met him in EP1. Implication is that he was experimented on by Hitoyoshi or something(Thus Claude now wants to stop superhumans being turned into weapons for humanity). Also it seems she might have made a contract with Claude, which would explain him knowing who she is. At the beginning of the episode Claude is shown to have brown hair, so yeah, he most likely is the other boy in the photo. Another thing is, I'm thinking Jiro and Claude might have the same demon inside them, perhaps being split into two (which would explain Claude's powers). That or the demons inside them are twins. This would be interesting especially if Claude is seen to be a brother figure to Jiro. A contract with him is what I'm leaning towards as well. This could also very well be an explanation as to why Claude's body is a "metal transformation factory." Instead of being turned that way by Hitoyoshi, that is. I am basing it on the fact that Claude most likely has to do with why Jiro leaves the Bureau. It just being connected to Kikko makes no sense. And if it is Hitoyoshi's doing, it would also explain why Claude is doing what he is doing. Kikko is involved somehow tho. I don't know what the contract was - maybe letting him escape or something. I do think Jiro and CLaude might have been brothers or something - I don't buy the beasts in them being something different from them - Jiro in the future seems to have it under control after all. So my conclusion to that is that its what Jiro wants to think(due to his hatred of the beasts), while in reality the "beast" inside is a suppressed part of Jiro. |
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| WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. WHAT? So is he like Jiro's brother or smth? What the fuck is going on. Hikko in her transformation was really hot I must say! But Emi is still better imo :/ |
| Really liked this one. Though, that ending does sort made me wonder who out of everyone Claude could be. I assume it'll be Jiro or someone related to him. (Thanks Fai for that bit of info) Needless to say though, that demon Kikko was "OW THE EDGE." I was amused at how her hamster thing reacted. |
 Now that is witch for Kikko. first i thought claude was Jiro, but i guess not. the fight was good. 2 episode left. expecting somthing good in the final episode. |
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Fai said: I am basing it on the fact that Claude most likely has to do with why Jiro leaves the Bureau. It just being connected to Kikko makes no sense. And if it is Hitoyoshi's doing, it would also explain why Claude is doing what he is doing. Kikko is involved somehow tho. I don't know what the contract was - maybe letting him escape or something. I do think Jiro and CLaude might have been brothers or something - I don't buy the beasts in them being something different from them - Jiro in the future seems to have it under control after all. So my conclusion to that is that its what Jiro wants to think(due to his hatred of the beasts), while in reality the "beast" inside is a suppressed part of Jiro. Claude definitely has to do with why Jiro leaves the Bureau. I'm a bit stuck on what the contract was as well. Maybe it has to do with Claude gaining the power to escape (after learning the truth or something). |
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| Woot Kikko that outfit, so awesome.. and so was the transformation. So Claude seems to have inherited similar powers to Jiro's, maybe he is his brother. |
| Aw yiss more Kikko-goodness. Quite a mystery going on, STILL loving this show. Actually even more. |
zerorequiem_ said: Fai said: I am basing it on the fact that Claude most likely has to do with why Jiro leaves the Bureau. It just being connected to Kikko makes no sense. And if it is Hitoyoshi's doing, it would also explain why Claude is doing what he is doing. Kikko is involved somehow tho. I don't know what the contract was - maybe letting him escape or something. I do think Jiro and CLaude might have been brothers or something - I don't buy the beasts in them being something different from them - Jiro in the future seems to have it under control after all. So my conclusion to that is that its what Jiro wants to think(due to his hatred of the beasts), while in reality the "beast" inside is a suppressed part of Jiro. Claude definitely has to do with why Jiro leaves the Bureau. I'm a bit stuck on what the contract was as well. Maybe it has to do with Claude gaining the power to escape (after learning the truth or something). That works since Kaiju are already a metaphor for bombs and war-time weaponry(and overall disasters, but mainly bombs). It also fits with Jiro saying that "thing in him wants the world to end". Also it makes sense for Jiro to have human and Kaiju forms since we already saw Hitoyoshi interact with "Maria" who was a being with both human and "monster" form. |
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| Did Claude just say that Kikko is the future queen of the devil realm? Woah. |
| amazing chapter. Seem like the season ending ill be awasome, now than Claude appears. Kikko's new form was preaty cool. |
| I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
DarkYazawa said: Did Claude just say that Kikko is the future queen of the devil realm? Woah. Ullr already said that to emi few episodes ago - that Kikko is a "devil" destined to rule a realm. We have known she is not human since first episode where Ullr let it slip that Kikko and him were banished into this dimension. And few episodes ago we learned that Kikko actually has some sort of goal here that we are yet unaware of. |
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| Kiko became a devil |
| aw yeah this was the kinda stuff i was hoping for before the first cour ends! future devil Kiko is pretty cool from the start things about her have been strange one thing i wasn't sure till the photo i was thinking Claude was some sort of future Jiro but it's most likely that other boy only thing that doesn't make sense is how Kiko would of known him |
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| Awesome episode! It really blew my mind off. Can't wait for the next episode (and also the second season)! Glad that I continue to watch it. I pity those who dropped this earlier. |
| Much what. Such plot. wowe. I can't wait too see everything pieced together. |
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AthrunZ29 said: Much what. Such plot. wowe. I can't wait too see everything pieced together. You're going to need to wait a long time still. It's a split cour anime, apparently. |
| Dat ending tho. |
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| [/quote] At the beginning of the episode Claude is shown to have brown hair, so yeah, he most likely is the other boy in the photo. Another thing is, I'm thinking Jiro and Claude might have the same demon inside them, perhaps being split into two (which would explain Claude's powers). That or the demons inside them are twins. This would be interesting especially if Claude is seen to be a brother figure to Jiro. A contract with him is what I'm leaning towards as well. This could also very well be an explanation as to why Claude's body is a "metal transformation factory." Instead of being turned that way by Hitoyoshi, that is.[/quote] Just bring it out if anybody remember in Earth-chan episode when she was dreaming there her dream there were two twins boy resemble Shirou with same hairstyle Earth-chan might also related to Jiro maybe his original father the one invented her which could be reason behind her justice sense |
| I don't think Kikko knows this brown haired kid, why would she? she barely knows anything about this world, now she knows the underground secrets? XD She thinks claude is jiro. Master Ultima might be the final villain in the 2nd season. |
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| Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"... now we've met the faction who powered up Shiba. There are just so many over-powered factions in this world one has to wonder how things have kept from going totally critical. Speaking of OP - it looks as if Kiko's alter ego could take out Emi quite easily if she were as infatuated with Jiro as Kiko is... I wonder... is that why we haven't seen Emi in the later-time episodes? Final bit of speculation - are "normal" humans just unaware pawns for all of the various extraterrestrial and extra-temporal groups in play in this world? |
ichii_1 said: I don't think Kikko knows this brown haired kid, why would she? she barely knows anything about this world, now she knows the underground secrets? XD She thinks claude is jiro. That is on assumption that she did not know about Hitoyoshi family before meeting Jiro. She can't think he is Jiro since he seen them both at the same time. |
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bananamana said: 1.) Aren't all humans actually beasts? I mean they hinted at it several times. Jiro also says: "we are all beats" while at the same time he says he's human. He also says to Kikko that since she is not human, she doesn't have a beast inside of her. Also the Gagon-monster is called "big human" and I bet it's really no coincidence that this thing looks just like a monkey. Let's not forget about Jaguar who asks this question to Kikko: "Who is more obedient: an animal which was made to look like a human or a human with animal traits?" From what we know so far, Beasts(Kaiju) represent disasters, be it man-made or natural(with Jiro and Claude representing the nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki). "We are all beasts" because humanity is a disaster in on its own. So in an essence Humanity itself is a "kaiju", in a metaphorical sense. Jaguar's question had to do with his future and an implication that Jaguar is actual an animal with added human intellect and that superhumans were eradicated because they could not be "controlled", "tamed" or "used", the way an animal can. 3)The bureau was founded by Jaguar, because he realized superhumans must be controlled in order for them to be accepted and to continue to exist. Jirou thinks all superhumans should be free, but I guess that's what lead (sadly and of course not intended by Jiro) to the fact that all superhumans went extinct. Jaguar founded Bureau so Superhumans can be protected and defended. One of aspects of that is control , but Jaguar's intention is preservation and not control. The original timeline would have had no Bureau so the superhumans would most likely get exterminated by the fearful humanity. And since there's no Bureau, there's no Jiro and no whatever he is doing in the future. 4)Super-Jaguar's goal was to fight against the "Advocaters of Free History". That sounds like Jiro and Co. Being free seems to become Jiro's most important goal (see the family episode.) Advocates of Free History technically are anyone who threaten the regime in Jaguars future. It is not Jaguar's goal. It is the organization's that Jaguar belonged to goal - since time travel was possible their job was to make sure their future does not get altered away. Jaguar slowly shifted away from that belief and became himself what would be an "advocate of free history" - trying to destroy his future by finding a way for superhuman's to survive. Also Claude who told Kikko on the phone to take a look at what the other Claude did to the researchers...well there must be two different Claudes, since the second Claude didn't know why Kikko was there in the 1st place. So the Claude calling Kikko is from another future and he knew what his past-self would do. Its more than likely that Claude simply did not expect her to walk in RIGHT THAT MOMENT. With the gas-thing trio and the former foreign affairs minister there was a talk that Claude needed to be "taken out". That's most likely what Kikko walked in on. 7.) There exists someone controlling humans I guess. They said it was no coincidence that life evolved on earth and life was there from the moment the earth was created. That's what the family who lived since the beginning of all times said. Earth was created for humans,but I don't know by whom. Well we do have trio of strange beings who seem to possess corpses and try to manipulate humanity. 8.) Jaguar probably didn't give Jiro Equus to help him but because this machine really just holds him back - that's what Jaguar Nr.1 says and that's also what Jaguar's reaction shows when Jiro thanks him for his "present". It's also said that Jaguar doesnt like Jiro because his ideals are those of a kid. This is looking to deep into it. The Oldest Jaguar finds Jiro's naivety endearing while the "IQ Jaguar" is the opposite of that, relying on cold logic. The Oldest Jaguar does not hate Jiro and most likely believes people like Jiro are needed for a brighter future. 9.) Now Im probably overinterpreting, but I don't care. Jaguar's story about the fact that the past can't be rewritten, for me, is hinting at Jiro's revolution. Someone is probably trying to redo history because we know how this ends up. And this person is desappearing into the time-gaps so we don't see exactly what is happening. This person might be Claude from a far away future who could be another Jiro. I don't know. Jiro's revolution thing does not exist in the first future or second future because it is dependent on Bureau existing. Jaguar is not trying to preserve the future. He is trying to change it. |
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| Really hoping this has another cour now, there is too much going on to be able to finish this in 2 more episodes. |
haydnwright said: Really hoping this has another cour now, there is too much going on to be able to finish this in 2 more episodes. There is another cour in spring. |
| oh wow wtf. what was that? future-jiro? or someone else? and what was that weird transformation of Kikko? |
| Yooo dat transformation though. Awesome, awesome fight too. Fai said: zerorequiem_ said: Holy shit, what an episode. At first I was thinking of Claude perhaps being Jiro from the future (returning to the past and taking on a persona). But now, I just don't know. He might be another experimental subject of Hitoyoshi's, but even so, what is he to Jiro? And how does Kikko (her devil form) know Claude? Especially if she's known Jiro for a short amount of time. All things aside though, future queen of the devil realm? o_O Claude most likely is the brown haired boy in the photo that Claude dropped. Chances are this means that Kikko knew about Jiro and that family even before she met him in EP1. Implication is that he was experimented on by Hitoyoshi or something(Thus Claude now wants to stop superhumans being turned into weapons for humanity). Also it seems she might have made a contract with Claude, which would explain him knowing who she is. Chances are finding out truth about Claude is what will cause Jiro to break away. And then something else will cause him to want to destroy bureau. Oh that makes it a whole lot easier for me to understand. |
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| Okay episode, Let's see what's next! |
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| What a badass episode. |
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| Those eyes. Whose are they? lol at the maid getting caight talking about Emi. My goodness. The oppai on that student. Aye! Kikko want that ghost dick. Dat Engrish. Holy shit! They're dead. WTF! WTF is that growing on her head? Holy shit! Devil Kikko. Ullr! Dat pic. |
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