| I've checked out 3 of his works before and none of them kept my interest for more than a few episodes each, so you're not alone. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| Not a big Tezuka fan either, aside from the Black Jack franchise. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| For its time I'm sure it was perceived in a much more positive light since it was a whole new concept for japanese art and writing. It was like 50 years ago so it's not really weird that works of the same medium has surpassed it in terms of quality. |
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| Man he's the director of Cleopatra. Such God. |
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| Read some of his less popular manga series. Like Apollo or the other one about humans. I forgot their names. |
Lordwen said: Man he's the director of Cleopatra. Such God. |
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| Many people don't like Tezuka's work, myself included. He wasn't known for being "good" per se. What he was known for was the change he brought Manga, or at least I think that's it anyway. |
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Lum said: For its time I'm sure it was perceived in a much more positive light since it was a whole new concept for japanese art and writing. It was like 50 years ago so it's not really weird that works of the same medium has surpassed it in terms of quality. Impossible! New works will never be >>>> than old works. |
| Good for you. |
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| Most of his stuff have aged quite terribly ,its the combination of slap stick and the crowded panel layout that instantly takes you back into those early western comics mindset (like the Mickey Mouse and Friends comics), plus the over reliance on comedy and episodic nature really doesn't help in constructing a cohesive story.When he wanted to be serious the series in question felt very dry and dull. Even Black Jack ,one of his most respected series,just went bonkers as it went on (aliens, transplanting a horses brain into a human...) and there was only 1 part in the entire manga where a story wasn't episodic,continued from 1 chapter to another and actually was a interesting and engaging story. |
amateurDec 3, 2015 4:19 AM
| I sometimes watch chinese cartoons/stuff and share unsolicited opinions. |
| What about Buddha, Hi no Tori and Ayako? |
| Tezuka is more known for his work in manga than anime. I'm sure a lot of people here don't like him just because his work is older and they only care about newer stuff. Dark_Chaos said: Many people don't like Tezuka's work, myself included. He wasn't known for being "good" per se. What he was known for was the change he brought Manga, or at least I think that's it anyway. This is a pretty stupid comment tbh. Tezuka work was heavily praised and considered revolutionary. Manga like AstroBoy, Black Jack, and Phoenix are still beloved to this day. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Manga like Black Jack are still beloved to this day. Young Black Jack is better. |
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ichii_1 said: Waifu_Strangler said: Manga like Black Jack are still beloved to this day. Young Black Jack is better. No one cares about Young Black Jack tbh. |
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| Well something that was revolutionary at it's time won't impress you currently because you already subconsciously experienced it through many series that were inspired by it, so it would seem dated. It's just the evolution of story telling, not a lot of things stand the test of time. |
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| Not surprising, a lot of his stuff, especially aimed at younger audience has aged poorly. Some of his stuff though, are still pretty strong, Black Jack, Buddha, Adolf and Ode To Kirihito for example. ichii_1 said: Waifu_Strangler said: Manga like Black Jack are still beloved to this day. Young Black Jack is better. Blaspheme, it's not even the best post Tezuka Black Jack work. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Dark_Chaos said: Many people don't like Tezuka's work, myself included. He wasn't known for being "good" per se. What he was known for was the change he brought Manga, or at least I think that's it anyway. This is a pretty stupid comment tbh. Tezuka work was heavily praised and considered revolutionary. Manga like AstroBoy, Black Jack, and Phoenix are still beloved to this day. This is a pretty stupid response tbh. Tezuka's work was revolutionary as I had already stated, but was never known for being "exceptionally good". |
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| I thought Phoenix was cool. Makes me interested in his other acclaimed stuff like Buddha and the one with Hitler. |
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Dark_Chaos said: Waifu_Strangler said: This is a pretty stupid comment tbh. Tezuka work was heavily praised and considered revolutionary. Manga like AstroBoy, Black Jack, and Phoenix are still beloved to this day. This is a pretty stupid response tbh. Tezuka's work was revolutionary as I had already stated, but was never known for being "exceptionally good". Astroboy, Black Jack, and Phoenix were known for being exceptionally good. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Dark_Chaos said: This is a pretty stupid response tbh. Tezuka's work was revolutionary as I had already stated, but was never known for being "exceptionally good". Astroboy, Black Jack, and Phoenix were known for being exceptionally good. Were they? I don't think they were. Whether they are actually good or bad is subjective of course and highly debatable, but I'm pretty sure they were never known for being "exceptionally good". When people talk about "exceptionally good" Manga, those titles are far from the first to be mentioned (I'd talk about their MAL scores too, but MAL is hardly a big enough resource to pull data from, so I'll refrain). |
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| I don't know the guy. |
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Dark_Chaos said: Waifu_Strangler said: Astroboy, Black Jack, and Phoenix were known for being exceptionally good. Were they? I don't think they were. Whether they are actually good or bad is subjective of course and highly debatable, but I'm pretty sure they were never known for being "exceptionally good". When people talk about "exceptionally good" Manga, those titles are far from the first to be mentioned (I'd talk about their MAL scores too, but MAL is hardly a big enough resource to pull data from, so I'll refrain). Yes they are considered exceptionally good. They don't get mention because they are old. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Dark_Chaos said: Were they? I don't think they were. Whether they are actually good or bad is subjective of course and highly debatable, but I'm pretty sure they were never known for being "exceptionally good". When people talk about "exceptionally good" Manga, those titles are far from the first to be mentioned (I'd talk about their MAL scores too, but MAL is hardly a big enough resource to pull data from, so I'll refrain). Yes they are considered exceptionally good. They don't get mention because they are old. Like with Anime, "exceptionally good" old Manga are still remembered and read to this day, so I don't think that's an acceptable excuse :/ |
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People still read Black Jack and Phoenix and sing their praises. Hell Black Jack is the most successful manga in terms of sales per volume. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
ArdanazDec 6, 2015 1:06 PM
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I've never even heard of Phoenix or Black Jack before today, while many other old Manga I was aware of for years because people would always talk about them, much in the same way as it is for Anime. Of course this is only one person's account mind you so I don't expect you to take it too seriously, but having been in as many Manga discussions as I have over the years, you'd think I would have at least heard of those titles by now. I also think sales is not a very good way to determine the general consensus of what is "good", or in this case, "exceptionally good". Many a series have we had that had great sales, but thought of too highly by many. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
ArdanazDec 6, 2015 1:06 PM
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Well Trust me Black Jack and Phoenix are very well received among those who read them. Tezuka has made more manga than pretty much anyone else. He pretty much started the manga craze in Japan and most anime art derives from his style. If he wasn't that good he wouldn't be so influential and have the title God of Manga. Sure he has he's weak stuff but he has more good stuff than anyone else. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
ArdanazDec 6, 2015 1:07 PM
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| It's true tho, Phoenix and Black Jack are well known for being extremely good. You just don't do your homeworks. |
Whayle said: Also while I haven't read much Buddha seems to get a lot of praise.It's true tho, Phoenix and Black Jack are well known for being extremely good. You just don't do your homeworks. |
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| Overly dramatic overall, sure. Chalk it up to times changing and cartoony influences. Overly dramatic pertaining only to deaths, I don't agree. Buddha had a high death count, but I didn't find them overdone, and never did I feel it was only for "dramatic impact". But if you're just talking about his pessimism in general, then yes it's present in many of his work. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
Well Trust me Black Jack and Phoenix are very well received among those who read them. Tezuka has made more manga than pretty much anyone else. He pretty much started the manga craze in Japan and most anime art derives from his style. If he wasn't that good he wouldn't be so influential and have the title God of Manga. Sure he has he's weak stuff but he has more good stuff than anyone else.[/quote] I do apologise, but much like you can't take my word for it, I cannot take the word of a random internet stranger on the internet, so I have to fall back on my own experience, and since my limited experience has shown that his titles come up far less than others in certain discussions, my judgement shows that his titles aren't known for being "especially good", meaning I don't believe you when you say they are. You probably don't believe me either, and I expect that. Assuming you aren't just making this up, you probably have your own experiences and came to a different conclusion. As for me though, I've never heard about any of Tezuka's works being talked about in particular (only the Astro Boy Anime, and nobody called it good or bad). The few times I heard Tezuka being talked about were for the changes his brought to Manga and how different his work was, much like Akiyuki Shinbo and Hideaki Anno I guess, if that makes sense. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
ArdanazDec 6, 2015 1:07 PM
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I don't know what to tell you then. Why don't you just ask what people think of them? Look them up on MAL and read the reviews. They have high scores in fact sometimes Phoenix gets bumped up into the MAL top 30 manga. I'm just saying if he wasn't considered that good he wouldn't be considered the God of manga. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
ArdanazDec 6, 2015 1:07 PM
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Dark_Chaos said: This is a pretty stupid response tbh. Tezuka's work was revolutionary as I had already stated, but was never known for being "exceptionally good". Well, he did win 10 separate awards and multiple of some of those 10(like 4 Eisner awards). Keep in mind, a lot of his works predate some major awards. Neil Gaiman also praised Ode To Kirihito. |
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| Your loss :/. Tezuka really is one of the greatest creative minds to ever mingle with the comic medium. His gekiga are all excellent and the way he uses the medium to its full extent is something I rarely see in any other comic authors. Very playful but without standing in the way of the more serious parts of his stories. I don't think his style translates particularly well to anime though since he plays a lot with panel structures and 4th-wall breaking. In my opinion appreciating Tezuka does not come from watching his anime adaptions, but from reading works like Buddha or Dororo or Ode to Kirihito. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Waifu_Strangler said: I care. It's quite good compared to the rest in this season.ichii_1 said: Young Black Jack is better. No one cares about Young Black Jack tbh. |
| i don't really play any attention who director is but i like some of his work. so i respect him. |
| While I haven't seen or read much of his works, I do recognize that he was a revolutionary mind in the industry. While he didn't construct the manga himself, I found Pluto to be a great title. I need to see more of his works. I need to read Phoenix and galimx said: I need to read Buddha. |
| Don't feel forced to love someone just because of how praised he is. However, please recognize his importance to the anime/manga industry as a whole. I'm not too big of a fan of his heavily Disney-influenced art. I haven't read enough to comment on the quality of his work. I've read a bit of black jack and I have several volumes on my shelf waiting to be read. I've seen some of astro boy as well. One thing I can say is that his importance to this industry is undisputed and evident. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: ichii_1 said: Young Black Jack is better. No one cares about Young Black Jack tbh. Unless they're long time fans of the Black Jack series and so far, I have not heard anyone say anything about Metropolis. Without Osamu Tezuka, Shotaro Ishinomori wouldn't be the legendary mangaka that we know today. Hayao Miyazaki cares about Tezuka's works too and he'd say "your loss!". |
Kurt_IrvingDec 4, 2015 6:51 PM
| I don't know much of Tezuka. Did he do Phoenix and Astro Boy? I didn't like AB but I liked Phoenix on some level, but yeah, not a huge fan of him either. Then again I dont like Shinichiro Watanabe and Hayao Miyazaki, so I guess I'm in the minority of my tastes. Boring stuff - I like more recent things/cooler things! And screw the deep stuff! |
Haneken2086 said: Yes, "pessimism" is an appropriate word to use for Tezuka. He just couldn't give a decent simple happy ending. I would describe it as cynicism rather than pessimism. I can understand a dislike of Tezuka's penchant for death, but his works have so much more to offer. Princess Knight, Wonder 3, and Ambassador Magma all have happy endings. Unico tells melancholic stories without killing off characters. Don Dracula is a gag comedy. Astro Boy and Black Jack save lives more often than not. Under no circumstances would I say these manga are as melodramatic as those of Year 24 artists. |
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