What is the best Evil Org?
Akatsuki (Naruto)
25.1%
58
Espada (Bleach)
4.8%
11
Phantom Troupe (HxH)
42.4%
98
Homunculus (FMA)
13.4%
31
Shichibukai (One Piece)
6.1%
14
Ginyu Force (DBZ)
8.2%
19
231 votes
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Agafin said: And it's pretty dumb to say that the World government are the antagonists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonist An antagonist is a character, group of characters, institution, or concept that stands in or represents opposition against which the protagonist(s) must contend. In other words, an antagonist is a person or a group of people who opposes a protagonist. World Govt as a villain group is quite debateable but World Govt in One Piece as antagonist is a fact considering OP protagonist is Pirate which is the supposed villains in OP world. |
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Agafin said: RedRoseFring said: Well, since Luffy and co are the protagonists and the WG is against them, they officially qualify as antagonists. Of course, the organization is so huge that it is hard to assign it any one role. Some members actually help the Strawhats while others are against them. In the end, it's hard to pick any one organization for One Piece because each Shichibukai has their own, the WG is very varied and the Yonkou also have individual organizations. Antagonist=/=villain And it's pretty dumb to say that the World government are the antagonists. That's like saying that the Hunter Association in HxH are the protagonists Of course technically speaking, antagonist =/= villain, but in most cases people use the term villain, you can tell they really mean antagonist and you therefore just run with it. And no it isn't dumb. What's dumb is missing the significance of "You've just declared war on the WG" means exactly what it sounds like. That's like saying the Empire in Star Wars is not an antagonist, or the Umbrella Corp in Resident Evil. It doesn't matter if it is an individual or an organization: if they antagonize the protagonist, they're an antagonist. |
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| Genei Ryodan (Phantom Troupe) are my favourite. Not all the Shichibukai are "villains", each has their own motives and generally does their own thing. |
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Darklord_bg said: The Phantom Troupe are my favorites. They have a great variety of personalities, some of them are very well-developed and they have the most hilarious character interactions. Like only one.. |
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| @trickstr @RRF Again, the WG is a massive organisation of individuals with various characters having their agendas, several of which are not antagonizing towards pirates. Just because the protagonists are pirates and the WG is as a whole against pirates doesn't mean that it is an antagonistic organisation. That's the logic behind the HA example. |
Agafin said: @trickstr @RRF Again, the WG is a massive organisation of individuals with various characters having their agendas, several of which are not antagonizing towards pirates. Just because the protagonists are pirates and the WG is as a whole against pirates doesn't mean that it is an antagonistic organisation. That's the logic behind the HA example. So, There's this organisation that keep going after the protagonist head and the protagonist clearly declare war against the said organisation. now a pop quiz, how should we call those organisation? |
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tr1ckst3r said: Agafin said: @trickstr @RRF Again, the WG is a massive organisation of individuals with various characters having their agendas, several of which are not antagonizing towards pirates. Just because the protagonists are pirates and the WG is as a whole against pirates doesn't mean that it is an antagonistic organisation. That's the logic behind the HA example. So, There's this organisation that keep going after the protagonist head and the protagonist clearly declare war against the said organisation. now a pop quiz, how should we call those organisation? An organisation. Luffy is not only fighting against the WG but also against other pirates. Should be also say that Pirate groups are antagonists too? |
Agafin said: tr1ckst3r said: So, There's this organisation that keep going after the protagonist head and the protagonist clearly declare war against the said organisation. now a pop quiz, how should we call those organisation? An organisation. Luffy is not only fighting against the WG but also against other pirates. Should be also say that Pirate groups are antagonists too? An organisation. lol. Well, Of course it is. But in Pirate case that goes against Luffy crew, it's classified as 'villain' because most of the Pirate that Luffy fought against is evil. And example with HA is not even related in the slightest, as long as HA didn't antagonizing Gon and co, they' anything but Antagonist or villain. And the thing with WG being a antagonist is NOT because they're against Pirates but because they're directly antagonizing Luffy and crew several times already. |
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| Ayy PT is leading? imo I don't see Phantom Troupe being the 'best'. As an organisation, they are just a bunch of thieves and murderers and their goals are still unclear. As for the gang, Pakunoda is the only saving grace among its dull members so far. Good thing there's more to come in the future, I hope so. For now my vote goes to Akatsuki. |
| Phantom Troupe FTW!! Feitan is Badass |
| It's kind of strange that Phantom Troupe has so many votes. It's a very interesting and mysterious organization but the characters were not developed very much, nor were their relationships explored. Tbh I don't even remember all the members' names. I hope that Togashi will put them on the limelight if he continues the series, because we don't know a lot about them. |
tsudecimo said: Darklord_bg said: The Phantom Troupe are my favorites. They have a great variety of personalities, some of them are very well-developed and they have the most hilarious character interactions. Like only one.. HxH fans always surprise me. I found Yorknew the best arc, phantom troupe was cool and all but I don't even see where does this character development stuff comes from. Besides pakunoda I don't even remember anyone having any depth. |
| 1. Phantom Troupe 2. Shichibukai (though they aren't really a "villain group") 3. Akatsuki = Homunculi 4. Ginyu Force 5. Espada |
Inferno_Cop said: tsudecimo said: Like only one.. HxH fans always surprise me. I found Yorknew the best arc, phantom troupe was cool and all but I don't even see where does this character development stuff comes from. Besides pakunoda I don't even remember anyone having any depth. Literally only one person in this thread said something about them being developed and even precised "some" ... generalisation much? tr1ckst3r said: An organisation. lol. Well, Of course it is. But in Pirate case that goes against Luffy crew, it's classified as 'villain' because most of the Pirate that Luffy fought against is evil. And example with HA is not even related in the slightest, as long as HA didn't antagonizing Gon and co, they' anything but Antagonist or villain. And the thing with WG being a antagonist is NOT because they're against Pirates but because they're directly antagonizing Luffy and crew several times already. That's my point, some pirates are villains, some aren't, same for the WG. It's too broad to put it under an umbrella like that. There are some antagonizing hunters too, like Illumi, Shalnark, Hisoka, Paris etc |
AgafinAug 12, 2015 9:34 AM
Impala said: Ayy PT is leading? imo I don't see Phantom Troupe being the 'best'. As an organisation, they are just a bunch of thieves and murderers and their goals are still unclear. As for the gang, Pakunoda is the only saving grace among its dull members so far. Good thing there's more to come in the future, I hope so. For now my vote goes to Akatsuki. I really don't think they have any goal beyond stealing and personal gain. From what I remember they showed a little bit of flashback of the founding members during Pakunda inner monologues, and they just seem to be strong individuals that are bonded and from rough/poor backgrounds united for mutual beneficial but maybe I'm wrong their might be a big reason for their loyalty and strong bonds. Inferno_Cop said: tsudecimo said: Like only one.. HxH fans always surprise me. I found Yorknew the best arc, phantom troupe was cool and all but I don't even see where does this character development stuff comes from. Besides pakunoda I don't even remember anyone having any depth. Pretty much my exact thoughts, especially the bold. |
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Agafin said: Inferno_Cop said: HxH fans always surprise me. I found Yorknew the best arc, phantom troupe was cool and all but I don't even see where does this character development stuff comes from. Besides pakunoda I don't even remember anyone having any depth. Literally only one person in this thread said something about them being developed and even precised "some" ... generalisation much? Terrible comprehension much? When I said HxH fan always surprise me, I do mean that. I don't see how that is a bad thing, "Jojo fans make me laugh", can you prove that they don't make me laugh? You are not me, I am speaking about myself that HxH fans surprise me, nothing more nothing less. "Some" is the reason I replied anyway since I don't consider any phantom troupe member beside the one I named being developed. |
Inferno_Cop said: Agafin said: Literally only one person in this thread said something about them being developed and even precised "some" ... generalisation much? Terrible comprehension much? When I said HxH fan always surprise me, I do mean that. I don't see how that is a bad thing, "Jojo fans make me laugh", can you prove that they don't make me laugh? You are not me, I am speaking about myself that HxH fans surprise me, nothing more nothing less. "Some" is the reason I replied anyway since I don't consider any phantom troupe member beside the one I named being developed. "Some" means at least one, so he can perfectly be referring to Pakunoda only. I called generalisation because you're the one trying to be surprised if it's based on preconceptions about the fanbase like these. So my bad, rather than generalisation, let's say confirmation bias. |
Agafin said: "Some" means at least one, so he can perfectly be referring to Pakunoda only. I called generalisation because you're the one trying to be surprised if it's based on preconceptions about the fanbase like these. So my bad, rather than generalisation, let's say confirmation bias. He said "Some of them are", I don't know what kind of english you read but above part isn't refering to a single character. As for what you are calling bias is also nothing but my impression of HxH fans I've met online , obviously there will be some reasonable good HxH fans out there but I never encountered them anyway. The day I will meet a reasonable HxH fan that day my so called bias will be gone. |
| 1. Phantom Troupe 2. Shichibukai 3. Akatsuki 4. Homunculus 5. Espada |
| Hisoka & Illumi |
tsudecimo said: Impala said: Ayy PT is leading? imo I don't see Phantom Troupe being the 'best'. As an organisation, they are just a bunch of thieves and murderers and their goals are still unclear. As for the gang, Pakunoda is the only saving grace among its dull members so far. Good thing there's more to come in the future, I hope so. For now my vote goes to Akatsuki. I really don't think they have any goal beyond stealing and personal gain. From what I remember they showed a little bit of flashback of the founding members during Pakunda inner monologues, and they just seem to be strong individuals that are bonded and from rough/poor backgrounds united for mutual beneficial but maybe I'm wrong their might be a big reason for their loyalty and strong bonds. I hope not. There's still plenty room there since many of them have not been received enough focus. There must be a reason why PT was formed. If anything I believe it will have to do with the current state of their homeland, Meteor City. The city was abandoned and treated like a dumping ground which is why they (the founding members) have strong bonds and unquestioning loyalty. So I'm inclined to agree with the theory that their true objective would be related with 'revolution' or something along the lines as vaguely shown in a flashback when they were young. |
| Yeah Meteor city, I felt like I forgot something about their origin. Too bad that even if the manga is resumed it will be about Dark continent arc, which seems like a very long arc. I want a conclusion to the spiders sub plot so bad :/ |
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| Phantom Troupe of course. They we're very frightening and each had unique personalities. |
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omfgplzstop said: can anyone who voted for the homonculus tell me why he/she thinks they're the best They haven't watched the other anime (Obviously) |
Inferno_Cop said: Agafin said: "Some" means at least one, so he can perfectly be referring to Pakunoda only. I called generalisation because you're the one trying to be surprised if it's based on preconceptions about the fanbase like these. So my bad, rather than generalisation, let's say confirmation bias. He said "Some of them are", I don't know what kind of english you read but above part isn't refering to a single character. As for what you are calling bias is also nothing but my impression of HxH fans I've met online , obviously there will be some reasonable good HxH fans out there but I never encountered them anyway. The day I will meet a reasonable HxH fan that day my so called bias will be gone. I did not mean just Pakunoda, obviously, but I do admit that some members have little or no development, hence why I said some. I felt that Chrollo, Feitan, Machi, Pakunoda, Nobunaga, Phinks, Uvo, Shalnark and Shizuki were developed decently (again, obviously some more than others - no need to nitpick). |
| 1. Again GR are winning by a landslide because you included a non-shonen among shonen. 2. It's really dumb to think of Shichibukai as an organization. They are not. Just different people seated in a similar position and are in no other way affiliated with each other. Hell, each of them may have his own Akatsuki. Most prominent (crappy) org. From OP are CP9 and Baroque Works. |
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| What's also retarded is saying GR had no development, which translated to "naruto-style evil-justifying sob story flashback". They were definitely fleshed out. People focus so much on shitty flashbacks they forget real storytelling and fleshing out can take time in the present. We know far more characteristics and dynamics about GR than we ever will about Akatsuki. Have we ever seen Kisame and Hidan interact? How do they feel about each other? Konan and Kakuzu? All we ever got from that scene where they were together is some dude trash talking some other dude. But we've seen in just 5 episodes how each member of GR regards another. How they would react if this happens or that. They are a real team. danae17 said: It's kind of strange that Phantom Troupe has so many votes. It's a very interesting and mysterious organization but the characters were not developed very much, nor were their relationships explored. Tbh I don't even remember all the members' names. I hope that Togashi will put them on the limelight if he continues the series, because we don't know a lot about them. That's exactly why. They had 1/20th of the screentime of Akatsuki yet 20 times the quality, making them about 400 times better. They were something new. Something unconventiomal. Very catchy, interesting, and even stylish despite the simple designs. They have great chemistry together. Akatsuki? We see them two at a time, getting killed one by one. There is an obvious pecking order. Not really an interesting group when they are just goons and fodder for the super kool Painzxxx |
MikasaAug 14, 2015 6:42 AM
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| Homunculus because they are mostly well written |
| huh |
| Why isn't Varia on this list? :( |
Telemac said: My pick is Phantom troupe too but I'm surprised they are winning by such a landslide. I'm also surprised that so many people voted for Ginyu Force lol. I'm really enjoying these 'Best battle shonen X" threads. They really give me an insight on people's opinions on these aspects of BS that are not often discussed by fans. I think I have another thread in mind. I wouldn't put much stock in polls. There are a variety of things that affect them, like some users who are well known for using alts, restriction to only regular forum users, people who have only seen 1 or 2 of the series and small sample size. |
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| Ginyu Force, of course. |
Chibi-Alice said: Why isn't Varia on this list? :( Or Juppongatana (10 Swords). |
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| Akatsuki always seemed the most interesting to me. They left a nice impression a long time ago... I could give the manga a read to remind myself a bit of everything. The Phantom Troupe are interesting, but I've hardly seen the best of them yet. I don't feel like there's too much to talk about them and as characters they need some work (Pakunoda had a little screen time going for her, but that's it). Togashi, you fucker, work on them. The Ginyu Force and the homunculi are fun, too. |
Agafin said: Among the ones listed: 1. Phantom Troupe 2. Akatsuki 3. Homunculus 4. Shichibukai 5. Espada . . . 9001. Ginyu Force icwatudidthar The GINYU FORCE === OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! |
KuroudoAkabane said: The GINYU FORCE === OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! YEah, best team and villains ever!!!!!  RECUMMMMmMM!!!!!!!!!  |
RPSB9Aug 14, 2015 6:08 PM
#CHEXIT |
| one piece has the least votes lol. Not surprising considering the villains/antagonists suck. |
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| The pt are the most over rated villians. And Hisoka wasnt even a real member. If anyone from hxh should be on the list, its the Chimera Ants. Also where are the better options? that list was crap. Robert's Ten Sensui seven the Balam Alliance THE Juppongatana all of them are better than those listed weak list ...... so my vote The GINYU FORCE |
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Imeon said: KuroudoAkabane said: The GINYU FORCE === OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! YEah, best team and villains ever!!!!! RECUMMMMmMM!!!!!!!!! That last cosplay is really a quality cosplay. Btw, I voted the Troupe because I like most of the members (+ Hisoka). Akatsuki and the Espadas were also good. |
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| 1. The secret organization that sends trucks around killing manga/anime heroines 2. The unknown organization that spreads the dreaded 'cough of death' around manga/anime protagonists ans their friends . |
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