| So recently a lot of my friends call me an Otaku which mainly means obsessed,nerd,geek but thing is here in my country the term Otaku have a good ring to it on my countrymen cause of culture and stuff so being Otaku here is cool and i dont really like it, but then there's this group of Proudly claimed Otaku's, whom annoyingly explaining and even told my my friends that i'm not an Otaku then they told me frankly i have bad taste in anime so "What is good taste and bad taste in anime?" disregarding preference |
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| Their opinion on your opinion on anime is that it's shit aka shit taste. And if they're making other people stop calling you otaku then why does it matter what else they say? |
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| Euhm wtf? there doesn't exist bad or good taste. Only opinions about what you think is good or bad and in what country do you live? Because in mine country, anime is not so popular/known and some don't even know what it is ^_^. And really strange that otaku means ''cool'' in your country xD. Even in Japan it means ''(anime) nerd'' and that can be used as insult like the normal word nerd and is even often used as insult or joke, maybe. (depends on school I guess) |
| why do you people proudly call yourselves in a derogatory term in Japanese anyways? |
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| Oh jeeze....what are you all 12yrs old or something? You're arguing about being real or fake Otakus? Keep watching anime, do what you want, but forget those other kids and go get a girlfriend or something... Also looking at your favorites you have pretty good taste..... So fuck them |
| Nevermind the Immature stuff i just need what is Good taste and Bad taste in a perspective disregarding the different preferences and different taste people have and just wanted to know what is the standard good taste it's weird though. |
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Remv_quevav said: Also nice profile pic OPwhy do you people proudly call yourselves in a derogatory term in Japanese anyways? |
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Remv_quevav said: why do you people proudly call yourselves in a derogatory term in Japanese anyways? Don't know but it's all about culture and stuff cause mainly anime is very popular here and a lot of people see it the same tier as our local show's |
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| Tastes are a matter of perspective. Their opinion is that your tastes suck. Doesn't mean that's everyone's opinion. Just say fuck them and watch what you wanna watch. They can jerk off to their "superior" taste in anime ^^ |
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Namaywa said: Otaku is a very derogatory term in which is disliked by Japanese due to the fact that it is the opposite behaviour of their tight partnership of their culture and work. Just look at this video on how they treat "self proclaimed Otakus"Remv_quevav said: why do you people proudly call yourselves in a derogatory term in Japanese anyways? Don't know but it's all about culture and stuff cause mainly anime is very popular here and a lot of people see it the same tier as our local show's too bad that Japanese is changing their views on Otakuism bcoz of Western influence |
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| So...you want to be called an otaku? And there's a standard of good taste for being one in your circle? And your question is what is the measure of good/bad taste in terms of anime? Did I get all that right? If so, uh, first of all, being an otaku isn't a good thing, but if that's what you want, go for it. Just understand the implications of that, not just within your circle, but when talking with anime fans from elsewhere. Second, find better people to hang with. Third, taste isn't about what you like. It's why you like the stuff you like, how well you can speak on them, and having both the decency and awareness to discuss them at the right time and place, aka not fangasming at any given moment to real life strangers who casually mention that they've watched Toonami shows before. |
Valourtore said: Namaywa said: So recently a lot of my friends call me an Otaku which mainly means obsessed,nerd,geek but thing is here in my country the term Otaku have a good ring to it on my countrymen cause of culture and stuff so being Otaku here is cool and i dont really like it, but then there's this group of Proudly claimed Otaku's, whom annoyingly explaining and even told my my friends that i'm not an Otaku then they told me frankly i have bad taste in anime so "What is good taste and bad taste in anime?" disregarding preference Taste is subjective; if you must compare, compare your tastes to the Anima Mundi as far as is possible - have a look at what MAL and ANN believe are highly rated shows, for there lies a regularity, a pattern borne through repeated testing and rating courtesy of the Internet. If your shows more or less turn out to have been universally acclaimed, then you can rest assured knowing that those individuals don't even know what good taste is. Good taste is good taste so long as most of humanity agrees with you. Hmm considering the answer i was looking for, your opinion is what i closely seek thanks for that so maybe i was looking for the standard not the taste. |
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Shocked said: So...you want to be called an otaku? And there's a standard of good taste for being one in your circle? And your question is what is the measure of good/bad taste in terms of anime? Did I get all that right? If so, uh, first of all, being an otaku isn't a good thing, but if that's what you want, go for it. Just understand the implications of that, not just within your circle, but when talking with anime fans from elsewhere. Second, find better people to hang with. Third, taste isn't about what you like. It's why you like the stuff you like, how well you can speak on them, and having both the decency and awareness to discuss them at the right time and place, aka not fangasming at any given moment to real life strangers who casually mention that they've watched Toonami shows before. Nope dont like being called otaku but dont mind at all whether they categorize me or not just explaining that my awareness in goodtaste/badtaste started because of the otaku thingy and nevermind the immature stuff just some drama i added, just want a emotionless answer in standard for my question disregarding preferences |
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Remv_quevav said: Namaywa said: Otaku is a very derogatory term in which is disliked by Japanese due to the fact that it is the opposite behaviour of their tight partnership of their culture and work. Just look at this video on how they treat "self proclaimed Otakus"Don't know but it's all about culture and stuff cause mainly anime is very popular here and a lot of people see it the same tier as our local show's too bad that Japanese is changing their views on Otakuism bcoz of Western influence I'm very aware of the term i just dont mind at all but sometime's it's cringey people proudly calling themselves nerd but as i mentioned it's a culture stuff which can't be changed from the view's of the people here also i think America have the most discrimination same with Japan no? being an ianime fan's and it adds more flame if you proclaimed yourself to be otaku worst being called a weeaboo just by simply liking anime |
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| Good and Bad taste is all subjective. |
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| Taste is subjective, stop giving a shit what people think. |
| Yeah just to summarize, being proud that people call you an otaku is cringe |
kuuderu said: Don't call yourself an otaku if you're not Japanese person. Never will even if i'm Japanese |
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DrGeroCreation said: Retaliate by telling them Mind if i steal the meme? |
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Otaku aren't as marginalized and disliked in Japan today than they were in the 90s. Only by a little bit. And besides most otakus don't, in fact, fall in to THAT category, realistically they're high school age, same as gamers, Tv fanatics or any sort of obsession like that. It's when you get older, and leave high school/College where you actually have the time to engage so much in something like that, which leads to becoming like Davido-kun. |
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Namaywa said: Sure.DrGeroCreation said: Retaliate by telling them Mind if i steal the meme? |
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2weeaboo4u said: kuuderu said: Don't call yourself an otaku if you're not Japanese person. An otaku doesn't have to be Japanese. True. But the japanese don't like it. |
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2weeaboo4u said: yes Davido kun, it doesnt have to bekuuderu said: Don't call yourself an otaku if you're not Japanese person. An otaku doesn't have to be Japanese.  |
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| Maybe your taste is shit. Gotta change OP. |
2weeaboo4u said: try hardergalimx said: Your taste is not so shit.. Its above average from most MAL users who only like harems and moeblobs. Anyone who likes Kaiji cant be a bad person :D ZAWA ZAWA Most Westerners hate harem and moe type shows. Also, moeblobs are not a real thing. |
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Remv_quevav said: why do you people proudly call yourselves in a derogatory term in Japanese anyways? For the same reason people call themselves 'nerd' or Black people call themselves 'nigga'. It's a reclamation of a word. You take it, use it as a sign of pride as a way to counter the negative use. |
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More than just a little bit. No. All the statistics I've been able to find say that otaku are predominantly college age or older. What's your point anyway? My point was pretty clear. When you hear "Otaku", you instantly think extreme cases like David (Who's also probably a weeabo too, judging by his interest in japan, and japanese language and culture), but an otaku is person who's obsessed with anime culture, preferably a shut-in, and is an all around nerd. The don't need to have thousands of posters, buy hundreds of body pillows, and figurines, and be fat and college age or older. |
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2weeaboo4u said: Evangelion was a huge hit not just with otaku but mainstream audiences too. Its characters became particularly popular and resulted in a huge demand for merchandise, which indirectly caused Akihabara to turn into an otaku town and make otaku culture more out in the open than before. Evangelion created a whole new generation of otaku and popularized late night anime, and since then otaku have become more and more numerous and "otaku industries" have grown larger and larger. It is true that Evangelion sparked up a pretty large boom with anime audiences and mainstream audiences too in the mid 90's but it wasn't what made Akihabara An "Otaku Town", it was when Akihabara started to see the popularity of adult PC games starring cute 2D girls, which is when it started gradually turning into a sacred land for Otaku and Japanese Pop Culture. Later on the town became more PG-13 friendly after anime in general became really popular in Japan, thanks to Evangelion and other clasics. The Love Live movie has earned 2.6 billion yen at the box office, more than Ghibli's Kaguya-hime did (according to the source cited by Japanese Wikipedia). Hello Kitty and the Monogatari series have collaborated twice. Girls und Panzer themed have been held at Oarai. Light novels such as Haruhi Suzumiya have also become very popular, and I believe the anime version of Haruhi found a fair bit of success outside of the usual late night crowds. The number of otaku increased, but it still wasnt accepted with the majority, it's just that number was quite high, and due to it being kind of popular, it was "forced" in to "acceptance". Afterwards the medias saw the popularity and decided to use them for "Easy money" which still doesn't sound like "acceptance out of interest" to me. In the early 00s it came to the government's attention that otaku are big spenders even during a recession, and that manga and anime were kind of a big deal in Japan and foreign countries. Because they wanted more money from the obsessed nerds, who'd buy anything anime related. And the selling of such a high number of merchandise, and being an otaku celebrated at festivals and conventions to increase the popularity, gave off a feeling of bigger acceptance than in the 90s. They are equally accepted as they were in the 90s in Japan, but being an otaku is now a worldwide thing, thanks to the Japanese government, so if they're accepted in Japan doesn't really matter anymore. Otaku typically buy and collect a lot of stuff. Again, those are extreme cases you're thinking of. |
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2weeaboo4u said: The otaku market expanded greatly because of Evangelion's success, and otaku shops saw a major increase in business. In early 1998, encouraged by their success, otaku shops started moving to the Radio Kaikan building in Akihabara, which was prime real estate right in front of Akihabara Station. Otaku and the City by Kaichiro Morikawa suggests this was in part because Akihabara already had some otaku shops there; it was a hangout for electronics and computer hobbyists, who were pretty likely to be interested in manga, anime and games. Another reason was that Radio Kaikan's existing shops selling home appliances and electronics had been leaving the building or downsizing their stores, so there was space available. As a few stores moved to Radio Kaikan and experienced great success, it triggered a flood of other stores moving to Radio Kaikan too, or somewhere else in Akihabara. In two years or so Radio Kaikan had been practically taken over by otaku shops, which had also appeared elsewhere in Akihabara in large numbers. Because an otaku who wanted to buy something probably also wanted to buy other things (doujinshi, figures, games), the convergence of all these stores in the same place caused all the otaku to go to Akihabara, whereas before they would have visited different parts of Tokyo for different needs. Yes, that is true, but before Evangelion, there were 2D adult games, that started the large interest in Anime, and animation in general among people of older age. Before, cartoons we're mainly made for kids (With a couple of exceptions). It's shift started in the mid 90s, prior to the release of Evangelion, but due to it's popularity, the otaku culture in Akihabara evolved and introduced other anime related merchandise which made it what it is today. But i agree, before it was mainly focused on technology. As the number of otaku increases, they become less of a minority and the gap between otaku and mainstream becomes smaller. The things I cited before indicate that otaku interests have become more commonplace and accepted among people, and that there is less of a stigma associated with them. There are 127 million people in Japan, of which only 1.7 milion are Otaku where 74% are extreme cases. That is a large number of people compared to, for example my country with it's 7 million, but in Japan, where it's around 1/75 of its population, is not considered less of minority. The gap between mainstream and otaku in Japan did become, for a short time, nearly non-existant, later it began to deteriorate, and as soon as it spread internationally, you could notice that the number of mainstream audiences is still much, much bigger. Nowadays, the anime in the west is certainly on the decline in popularity. The government didn't start running anime stores and festivals or something. Who said it was the government? The Media started doing that, whilst the government noticed it was a steady market, and popularized it. Of course, they got their share of the money. They just realized that the otaku market is big business and that pop culture was a way of projecting international soft power and increasing tourism and commerce. Trust me, if there wasn't money involved, the wouldn't care. Japan has been the center of technological development since early to mid 90s (Also thanks to the 1994 windows PC Boom). They had enough international soft power as is. But I just explained why that is not the case. But i disagree. As i've stated before: Valenthius said: Being an Otaku was celebrated at festivals and conventions to increase the popularity(Thanks to the Media), and it gave off a feeling of bigger acceptance than in the 90s. Japan's government didn't make otaku go international, they only noticed something was up when otaku had already gone international. I've never seen anything to suggest that the existence of otaku outside Japan would have contributed to otaku becoming more accepted in Japan, except in roundabout ways. No. Being an otaku wasn't popular internationally, prior to the governments interference, especially in the far West, where being a nerd or a geek is a bad thing, which you can notice from many early 90s sitcoms. True that the government didn't make it go international directly, but they people worldwide noticed that it's not such a bad thing if it's so celebrated and "accepted" in Japan. Uh, no. Those are typical cases I'm thinking of. The entire late night anime industry is built on otaku buying shitloads of stuff. It's also been observed that a collector mentality is typical for otaku That's a stereotype. The collector mentality is present among most of modern day otakus, but it's not what defines an otaku. The word Otaku comes from a word with the same pronunciation, which literally translates to "A persons house", implying that Otaku are primarily Shut-ins, not collectors. |
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ToastofJustice said: Using Otaku like it's an any better term than Weeaboo. Otakus are obsessed, weebs are just annoying. x) |
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Risara said: moar like teh opposit thoI clicked on your profile to confirm it, but yeah, most filipinos thinks Otaku =/= Anime fan Trust me, most of teh animu fans in muh Univarsity claim themselves as Otaku |
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Remv_quevav said: Risara said: moar like teh opposit thoI clicked on your profile to confirm it, but yeah, most filipinos thinks Otaku =/= Anime fan Trust me, most of teh animu fans in muh Univarsity claim themselves as Otaku Wai du yu tipe like dis? |
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