Rokka no Yuusha Episode 10 Discussion

Wynter571 said:

sarroush said:
What the fuck is going on.

Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations.

If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty.

King_of_Anime said:

Nashetania just went full on Yandere... And not the good kind.

ArtificialxSky said:
I just finished watching this episode and I want to share a theory that I've given some thought as events have unfolded since the seven Rokka's gathering. I'll warn any potential readers that this theory is going to be wild and founded from a very different bent than one might expect, that is, one based off of hard evidence provided by the show itself. Rather, this theory is one that I engage in because of my sensibilities as a graduate of English and creative writing. So in another sense, this theory is perhaps the way I would write the story, if I were up to do it. So please be warned and have fun as this was fun for me to develop.

I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that Adlet is indeed the seventh, if only because, from a writer's standpoint, this outcome is the most interesting and perhaps the highest stakes route that the plot could turn.

Adlet is such a divisive member of the Rokka's that, if he is the seventh, the emotional fallout would be an excellent generation of fresh conflict for a more interesting second season where they finally confront the ultimate villain.

The only reason I make my argument from this perspective is because I see very little objective evidence revealed throughout the story itself. As a viewer I have no way to formulate my own conclusion as one might in a mystery novel. All we're given is, essentially, things Adlet has told us, and based off of good faith (good faith being an important thematic point for this anime) and his perceived uprightness as a character, we are inclined to believe him.

However, because of this theme of belief, and the strange twist that this show has already taken from what I'm sure most of us expected, I can't shake the feeling that we, as viewers, are being deceived, not just by Adlet, but by the original writer in a tour de force of experimental creative writing competence. This show could have been very straightforward, Rage of Bahamut-esque high adventure plot as the initial summaries made it out to be, but either intentionally or not, this turned out to be far from the truth, and to be honest we got something more engaging and interesting. My point is that our expectations were confounded from early on, and so, if we read these decisions to overturn our expectations as part of a story telling strategy, we should watch out going forward and make an effort not to fall into the more cliched expectations we may have fallen into making as anime consumers.

Underneath it all, I also feel as though the very mythology of this world may be skewed. If anything, this anime has accomplished the feat of keeping the readers on their toes. And so, because the show has encouraged me to be skeptical of the characters, I wonder if that mindset is appropriate for the underlying assumptions we have of the world itself and the mythos that Rokka's world operates on. After all, every piece of information we've received on the Rokka's mission and the "evil to the west" has been secondhand, besides the body marks each Rokka has received (of which might serve a completely different purpose yet to be revealed. )

Speaking of secondhand information, Adlet does indeed seem to be the strongest man in the world when it comes to having answers. Not one of the characters seems to know the first thing about anything. Rather, Adlet seems to understand this and may be playing on it. For example, his theory about there being two fakes is plausible, but he seemed to grab it out of thin air so that, one realizes, anything might be possible in this world (or it's poor writing, which, since it's more interesting, I am not going to assume). This convinces me of one thing only, and that is, if Adlet is not physically the strongest man in the world, to which he admits that he's just average, he just might be the smartest. The only peer he may have is in Hans, but Hans is a very specialized thinker, whereas Adlet's genius seems to touch on all aspects of life.

As for his genius he seems to understand those that he's met quickly, as in break them down into their base components--namely their desires and perspectives, and "win" them as he's done with Hans, now Flamie, and formerly, Nashetanya.

As a side note, I found his willingness to leave Nashetanya and pursue Flamie in the earlier part of the season to be odd since I found their companionship to be easy and comforting. But in hindsight, perhaps Adlet also found her too "easy" of a read and left for a more challenging, and perhaps a more worthwhile investment in Flamie as an ally.

To return to my previous point on Adlet's genius, humoring the idea he may be the villain, he is also a genius actor. His game of wits with Hans just might extend one step further than what Hans thought possible, i.e. witnessing Adlet's true "dead man's face". Knowing Adlet's psychological adeptness, human understanding, and his being armed with the knowledge that Hans was an assassin, this may have been his true objective when gaining an ally in Hans, that is, faking a "dead man's face."

And as a last point, I can't see anyone else being the fake. Maura, as demonstrated in this episode is a bit too blunt in her methods, almost overtly tyrannical in getting the others to take action. She's more of an upright dictator, stubborn but owning a sort of sixth sense in her un-substantiated judgment of Adlet as the seventh. In a sense, she is too fragile to be the seventh in that she is completely inflexible in personality. Then we are presented by Nashetanya this episode who reveals to us that she is just as fragile, but in the opposite way as Maura. She is too impressionable, too naive, and too shallow to really form and stand by her own belief. Just a word from Maura, whom she trusts, suddenly unconditionally for whatever reason, and she snaps. My first thought was what happened to her desire to believe in Adlet? She hadn't even gotten far in her own investigation against Hans and allowed herself to be used, in quite a cruel fashion, by Maura's false proclamation. Her character is certainly a disappointing one, but given the circumstances and her background, I suppose, in hindsight, this was unavoidable for her. In the end, neither is she a very real or even daunting seventh, just a fragile and weak little girl. This leaves Goldov who very well may be the seventh given that he was the first to cast stones, i.e. when he first rendezvous with Nashetanya and reveals Flamie to be the Brave killer. But he is a very very uninteresting seventh as he has almost no personality to speak of and serves as little more than an extension of Nashetanya. If he is the seventh nothing would be gained or lost.

So, in the end, it is because of Adlet's genius that I both love him as a protagonist and perhaps most suspect him as the antagonist.

Thanks for exploring this thought with me. If you have a response please let it be heard or Pm me as I would love to have this discussed and be more thorough. I love time stamps and close "readings" so if you're willing to argue this seriously, I will certainly meet you there.

straggy said:
Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out.

Also, wtf is up with this Adlet/Fremy out of nowhere? It was a very good question she asked, after all... Exactly what do you love about her, Adlet? Is it her smile? Her gripping personality? Her array of emotions? lmao give me a fucking break.

tylerh129 said:

Is there a good type of yandere?

Paul said:
Wasn't bunny girl like in sight of Adlet when he became a brave? I mean she literally appears right after he gets his mark, is all that light mumbo jumbo that happen not something that can be seen by others when becoming one cause there's no way she wouldn't have seen it considering her immediate introduction as a one brave to another as soon as he got his mark when he was in that hole.

Dangerr said:
Well, he did have a gun pointed at his face, and was told to be honest. It was definitely super-fast, but you must also consider that the kid's lived his life in almost complete isolation for about ten years. Given their congruous backgrounds, I think they also share a bit of chemistry outside of their obvious differences in personality.

straggy said:
Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out.

Forgetfulness said:
Nachetanya said that Hans called her a princess and then later pretend he didn't know who she was.

But some people went back and checked and that never happened

Gov said:
Was Nachetanya getting an orgasm when she got angry at Adlet?

Paul said:
Wasn't bunny girl like in sight of Adlet when he became a brave? I mean she literally appears right after he gets his mark, is all that light mumbo jumbo that happen not something that can be seen by others when becoming one cause there's no way she wouldn't have seen it considering her immediate introduction as a one brave to another as soon as he got his mark when he was in that hole.

Zefyris said:

Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo.

Gov said:
Could she be getting off to this? Also, what sadistic bastard has a smile on their face when they are about to kill someone?

SleuthofRednBlue said:


Good for the characters, no. Good for the viewer, yes.

flannan said:


Unless she was the real ruler. We only know her father was a figurehead, not who was actually ruling the country.

juicykitten95 said:

its her first time,remember this is all new to her
she needs more practice thats all :)

Zeally said:


Goldov is like a lapdog of Nashtania. I doubt it is him. He's just fiercely loyal and obviously in love with her

Jagd84 said:
No not really. Mora believes Adlet is emotional manipulative person which is exactly why she doesn't trust him.

4kicks said:
After thinking about it some more, Nashetania is quite the dumb bimbo. From the start of the series, she seemed like an airheaded girl that would go along with any guy that caught her interest. With her skimpy "bunny" armor on top of that, I can confidently say she probably sleeps around like a dumb rabbit in heat, and has the intelligence level of one as well. Why else would the writer give her a bunny-girl design? I bet it's a metaphor for her being a dumb slut. Flemy's design is an exception, because she was raised by demons...what the hell do they know about clothes?

Tylaen said:
So Adlet experienced a case of love at first sight? How inappropriate for the mission!

Zefyris said:

It was said in episode 2 that the prime minister had all the power.

Shingen_no_Yami said:

flannan said:

It really was. I guess I missed that part.

sarroush said:
What the fuck is going on.

Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations.

If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty.

darboux said:

4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4
5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5

CrotakuShinobi said:
The Princess went totally Yuno

apokaliz500 said:

4) Sure, that makes sense but if she wanted to frame Adlet in the first place why did she try so hard to show she's on his side. Should she do nothing, Adlet would get killed anyways and noone would suspect her next.
5) If we assume for a minute that she isn't fake one, this can be perfectly explainable by: she really believed Hans did what she said he did, because she wanted to believe in Adlet's innocence so much that her mind started to warp her memory (things like that happen often to people, expecially if memory is supposed to be as precise as this). In other words, she successively lied to herself Hans really did that.

And also about the point"2)", I don't really think she attacked seriosuly enough to be able to actually harm Adlet.

darboux said:
Well so far about Nashetania :
1) She was close to Adlet since the start and by chance adlet was the key ''tool'' to this whole barrier plan , Coincidence 1
2)She tried to kill him while on the journey because she was excited ,Coincidence 2
3) She went out of control and broke the plate and magically calmed in 1 second afterwards, Coincidence 3
4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4
5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5

darboux said:

Maura : The only reason she is suspicious is her ''obsession'' adlet is guilty.Especially this episode she even lied about it.

The problem with Maura is how she did it......also Hans is her alibi as well.But with nashetania we got adlet's theory that could pinpoint her as suspect.

darboux said:

About the Love confession i agree with some people that said they laughed.I broke down to laughter as well.
We as readers wait week after week for each episode.But for the chars in the anime only a FEW DAYS have passed. Adlet grew up with hellish training shown to be cunning/logical/suspicious of other and just in few days time he falls in love with what should be a killer and so much that he risked his life over and over again??It does not make sense to me,this is like reading some shoujo manga where hot guys fall in love with the main for no reason in 1 day and are ready to die for her.So in like 3 days the guy fell so hard with her to the point of risking life so much?
I think adlet maybe lying to some extent or else its just funny and was not well done imo.(please dont flame me i ship them too haha)