Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Sep 5, 2015 11:12 PM
#201
What the fuck is going on. Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations. If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty. |
sarroushSep 5, 2015 11:26 PM
Sep 5, 2015 11:23 PM
#202
Wynter571 said: Grisaille said: I like the atmosphere when Adlet actually confesses, and Fremy who was so confused. I hope they would start wrapping most things up by next episode. And a question for those who read the LN: Did Adlet actually said "He Loved" Fremy in the LN? I remember reading that "He Liked" Fremy, or somewhere along the line without much romance in this scene.. I remember the building a world she could live in, but "I love you." Don't think that part was explicitly stated. Yes, he says it. He tells her that he cares for her and that he's willing to build a world where they can be together when this is all over. In Japanese, "care", "like" and "love" are pretty interchangeable in this context. And even when I read it, it was obvious that he was in love with her and had been since he met her, he just didn't know what to call the feelings he had. |
Sep 5, 2015 11:46 PM
#203
Nashetania's action this episode just made her the most suspicious of them all. If this is a real RPG game then I imagined there would be some Phoenix Wright style cross examination mechanics in the dialogues. |
yvancSep 5, 2015 11:51 PM
Sep 5, 2015 11:48 PM
#204
Sep 5, 2015 11:58 PM
#205
Great episode. I wonder how Adlet will make Nashetanya believe him. |
Sep 6, 2015 12:17 AM
#206
Great episode 10/10 AOTS I'm wondering why no one suspects goldov, I mean srsly, dude's been silent since his reveal, maybe he's the seventh and his goal is to kill adlet 'cause he jelous that hime likes adlet. Also FlemiexAdlet confirmed |
Sep 6, 2015 12:20 AM
#207
Wasn't bunny girl like in sight of Adlet when he became a brave? I mean she literally appears right after he gets his mark, is all that light mumbo jumbo that happen not something that can be seen by others when becoming one cause there's no way she wouldn't have seen it considering her immediate introduction as a one brave to another as soon as he got his mark when he was in that hole. |
Sep 6, 2015 12:36 AM
#208
sarroush said: What the fuck is going on. Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations. If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty. There's a particular reason for her stubborness(and no, it's not related to 7th hero case), but it won't be shown in this adaptation |
Sep 6, 2015 12:41 AM
#209
King_of_Anime said: Nashetania just went full on Yandere... And not the good kind. Is there a good type of yandere? |
Sep 6, 2015 12:57 AM
#210
This episode is a huge disappointment. I get it by now that the whole season1 is about revealing who is the 7th, but I still feels the plot is needlessly dragged down in contrast with the pace of the beginning of the series. Episode 10 feels like episode 6, 7, 8 9 with only small alterations. I then proceeded to spoil myself and read the end of volume1 and it did not help changing my feelings about that anime. Not my cup of tea. Let's hope the season 2 will be different, but season 1 deserves a low grade. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:25 AM
#211
Nashetania went full retard this episode. And both her and Mora basically put big fucking flags over their head that read "HEY, WE'RE PROBABLY TRAITORS". One, if not both of them, is definitely the culprit. They narrowed the fuck out of it this episode. Adlet = Obviously not Fremy = Proven innocent Hans = Adlet ally/ innocent Chamot = Dumber than a sack of zebra shit Goldov = Horny dog who is also dumber than a sack of zebra shit ...only two logical choices left who basically aren't even being subtle about it anymore. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:30 AM
#212
ArtificialxSky said: I just finished watching this episode and I want to share a theory that I've given some thought as events have unfolded since the seven Rokka's gathering. I'll warn any potential readers that this theory is going to be wild and founded from a very different bent than one might expect, that is, one based off of hard evidence provided by the show itself. Rather, this theory is one that I engage in because of my sensibilities as a graduate of English and creative writing. So in another sense, this theory is perhaps the way I would write the story, if I were up to do it. So please be warned and have fun as this was fun for me to develop. I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that Adlet is indeed the seventh, if only because, from a writer's standpoint, this outcome is the most interesting and perhaps the highest stakes route that the plot could turn. Adlet is such a divisive member of the Rokka's that, if he is the seventh, the emotional fallout would be an excellent generation of fresh conflict for a more interesting second season where they finally confront the ultimate villain. The only reason I make my argument from this perspective is because I see very little objective evidence revealed throughout the story itself. As a viewer I have no way to formulate my own conclusion as one might in a mystery novel. All we're given is, essentially, things Adlet has told us, and based off of good faith (good faith being an important thematic point for this anime) and his perceived uprightness as a character, we are inclined to believe him. However, because of this theme of belief, and the strange twist that this show has already taken from what I'm sure most of us expected, I can't shake the feeling that we, as viewers, are being deceived, not just by Adlet, but by the original writer in a tour de force of experimental creative writing competence. This show could have been very straightforward, Rage of Bahamut-esque high adventure plot as the initial summaries made it out to be, but either intentionally or not, this turned out to be far from the truth, and to be honest we got something more engaging and interesting. My point is that our expectations were confounded from early on, and so, if we read these decisions to overturn our expectations as part of a story telling strategy, we should watch out going forward and make an effort not to fall into the more cliched expectations we may have fallen into making as anime consumers. Underneath it all, I also feel as though the very mythology of this world may be skewed. If anything, this anime has accomplished the feat of keeping the readers on their toes. And so, because the show has encouraged me to be skeptical of the characters, I wonder if that mindset is appropriate for the underlying assumptions we have of the world itself and the mythos that Rokka's world operates on. After all, every piece of information we've received on the Rokka's mission and the "evil to the west" has been secondhand, besides the body marks each Rokka has received (of which might serve a completely different purpose yet to be revealed. ) Speaking of secondhand information, Adlet does indeed seem to be the strongest man in the world when it comes to having answers. Not one of the characters seems to know the first thing about anything. Rather, Adlet seems to understand this and may be playing on it. For example, his theory about there being two fakes is plausible, but he seemed to grab it out of thin air so that, one realizes, anything might be possible in this world (or it's poor writing, which, since it's more interesting, I am not going to assume). This convinces me of one thing only, and that is, if Adlet is not physically the strongest man in the world, to which he admits that he's just average, he just might be the smartest. The only peer he may have is in Hans, but Hans is a very specialized thinker, whereas Adlet's genius seems to touch on all aspects of life. As for his genius he seems to understand those that he's met quickly, as in break them down into their base components--namely their desires and perspectives, and "win" them as he's done with Hans, now Flamie, and formerly, Nashetanya. As a side note, I found his willingness to leave Nashetanya and pursue Flamie in the earlier part of the season to be odd since I found their companionship to be easy and comforting. But in hindsight, perhaps Adlet also found her too "easy" of a read and left for a more challenging, and perhaps a more worthwhile investment in Flamie as an ally. To return to my previous point on Adlet's genius, humoring the idea he may be the villain, he is also a genius actor. His game of wits with Hans just might extend one step further than what Hans thought possible, i.e. witnessing Adlet's true "dead man's face". Knowing Adlet's psychological adeptness, human understanding, and his being armed with the knowledge that Hans was an assassin, this may have been his true objective when gaining an ally in Hans, that is, faking a "dead man's face." And as a last point, I can't see anyone else being the fake. Maura, as demonstrated in this episode is a bit too blunt in her methods, almost overtly tyrannical in getting the others to take action. She's more of an upright dictator, stubborn but owning a sort of sixth sense in her un-substantiated judgment of Adlet as the seventh. In a sense, she is too fragile to be the seventh in that she is completely inflexible in personality. Then we are presented by Nashetanya this episode who reveals to us that she is just as fragile, but in the opposite way as Maura. She is too impressionable, too naive, and too shallow to really form and stand by her own belief. Just a word from Maura, whom she trusts, suddenly unconditionally for whatever reason, and she snaps. My first thought was what happened to her desire to believe in Adlet? She hadn't even gotten far in her own investigation against Hans and allowed herself to be used, in quite a cruel fashion, by Maura's false proclamation. Her character is certainly a disappointing one, but given the circumstances and her background, I suppose, in hindsight, this was unavoidable for her. In the end, neither is she a very real or even daunting seventh, just a fragile and weak little girl. This leaves Goldov who very well may be the seventh given that he was the first to cast stones, i.e. when he first rendezvous with Nashetanya and reveals Flamie to be the Brave killer. But he is a very very uninteresting seventh as he has almost no personality to speak of and serves as little more than an extension of Nashetanya. If he is the seventh nothing would be gained or lost. So, in the end, it is because of Adlet's genius that I both love him as a protagonist and perhaps most suspect him as the antagonist. Thanks for exploring this thought with me. If you have a response please let it be heard or Pm me as I would love to have this discussed and be more thorough. I love time stamps and close "readings" so if you're willing to argue this seriously, I will certainly meet you there. Great theory! You know I'm not a writer nor anything like that but I was analyzing the story and trying to figure it out who the seventh was in a similar way, like what would be the coolest outcome? (from the authors perspective). Since at the beginning we're only introduced with Nashetanya and Adlet I saw them as the main characters and looking how the story revolves around this seventh person I think it would make the most sense to make the seventh to be Adlet. Also the rest of the braves aren't nearly as interesting as Adlet, so more than suspecting Adlet I just want him to be the seventh and accomplish his goal, whatever this might be. Aside from him I would say Nashetanya being the seventh would also make sense, but honestly I thought it was going to more romance between her and Adlet but now Fremy has become much more relevant so it would also be cool if she's the seventh. As for Moura even though she has been acting like a stubborn bitch I would give her credit for acknowledging the genius of Adlet, I believe she wants to kill him because she's afraid of him and what he's capable of. Supposedly he spent years training and preparing himself to face the demons but so far his abilities seem more suited to counteract the rest of the braves while solving the mystery. So I kinda get her when she said that 'he is quite the guy' in the sense that he's so unique and different from the rest of the braves. |
IkarugaxSep 6, 2015 1:40 AM
Sep 6, 2015 1:37 AM
#213
You are welcome. |
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
Sep 6, 2015 1:46 AM
#214
Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out. Also, wtf is up with this Adlet/Fremy out of nowhere? It was a very good question she asked, after all... Exactly what do you love about her, Adlet? Is it her smile? Her gripping personality? Her array of emotions? lmao give me a fucking break. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:49 AM
#215
It's seeming more and more likely every episode that the Seventh is going to be either Maura or Nachetanya, and I can't really see it being anyone else now. We've pretty much officially ruled out Flamie now, and there seems to be good reasons to dismiss the possibiity of it being Hans, Adlet or Chamot. Of course, Goldov is always that unknown, given his distinct lack of personality, but it seems like someone who is better at following orders rather than acting on his own beliefs. Even so, I found it interesting how even he seemed disturbed by Nachetanya's reaction to Maura's proclamation about Adlet. Also, I have to admit that I didn't think that Adlet would be in love with Flamie. Sure, it's not that surprising in hindsight, but I dodn't expect this series to take that path, even if it ultimately doesn't affect much. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:52 AM
#216
straggy said: Well, he did have a gun pointed at his face, and was told to be honest. It was definitely super-fast, but you must also consider that the kid's lived his life in almost complete isolation for about ten years. Given their congruous backgrounds, I think they also share a bit of chemistry outside of their obvious differences in personality.Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out. Also, wtf is up with this Adlet/Fremy out of nowhere? It was a very good question she asked, after all... Exactly what do you love about her, Adlet? Is it her smile? Her gripping personality? Her array of emotions? lmao give me a fucking break. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:54 AM
#217
tylerh129 said: King_of_Anime said: Nashetania just went full on Yandere... And not the good kind. Is there a good type of yandere? Good for the characters, no. Good for the viewer, yes. |
Sep 6, 2015 1:59 AM
#218
Paul said: Wasn't bunny girl like in sight of Adlet when he became a brave? I mean she literally appears right after he gets his mark, is all that light mumbo jumbo that happen not something that can be seen by others when becoming one cause there's no way she wouldn't have seen it considering her immediate introduction as a one brave to another as soon as he got his mark when he was in that hole. She didn't see him for several months. When she went to see if he had the mark, he indeed has it, but since how long? If the mark was real, he just received it. But if it's not, he may have had it for a while and say to her after seeing her mark "me too, I'm chosen" and show his fake mark that he had for a while. Adlet was basically alone the whole time during those months, except when they were giving him food. He could have been contacted by a small kyouma (especially a small flying one) at any time, so no, it's impossible to discard the possibility of Adlet having a fake mark just because of that. From Mora and Nashetania's point of view, there is nothing proving Adlet's innocence yet. All of his action can be attributed to trying to create a fight between braves. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:12 AM
#219
Dangerr said: straggy said: Well, he did have a gun pointed at his face, and was told to be honest. It was definitely super-fast, but you must also consider that the kid's lived his life in almost complete isolation for about ten years. Given their congruous backgrounds, I think they also share a bit of chemistry outside of their obvious differences in personality.Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out. Also, wtf is up with this Adlet/Fremy out of nowhere? It was a very good question she asked, after all... Exactly what do you love about her, Adlet? Is it her smile? Her gripping personality? Her array of emotions? lmao give me a fucking break. I didn't say the confession was outta nowhere, the FEELINGS are what's outta nowhere. There's nothing romantic about their interactions, nothing at all. Adlet's never even come across as loving her before now so much as just being a decent goddamn person. All the shit he did this episode was so ridiculous, it makes no sense. He said he knew how he felt about her "at first sight" too, which just proves that even the writers couldn't think of a goddamn reason for him to like her. Just pulling this outta their ass. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:13 AM
#220
straggy said: Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out. its her first time,remember this is all new to her she needs more practice thats all :) |
Sep 6, 2015 2:25 AM
#221
Does this mean that finally Maura has become the prime suspect? Bunny princess seems to be working with her too, but maybe she's just being yandere. At least some things don't change - Goldof is as useless as always and could be replaced with a cardboard cutout, I doubt anyone would notice any difference. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:25 AM
#222
Mora broke Nashetania. Some leader of saints you are, Mora. >_< Now, while manipulating other people so that they won't fall for Adlet's manipulation might be Mora's style, I find this pretty evil. Maybe around Chamo level evil. Forgetfulness said: ArtificialxSky said: Nachetanya said that Hans called her a princess and then later pretend he didn't know who she was.Forgetfulness said: ArtificialxSky said: Very interesting read for sure. I just finished watching this episode and I want to share a theory that I've given some thought as events have unfolded since the seven Rokka's gathering. I'll warn any potential readers that this theory is going to be wild and founded from a very different bent than one might expect-- one based off of hard evidence provided by the show itself. Rather, this theory is one that I engage in because of my sensibilities as a graduate of English and creative writing. In another sense, this theory is perhaps the way I would write the story, if I were up to do it. So please be warned and have fun as this was fun for me to develop. I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that Adlet is indeed the seventh, if only because, from a writer's standpoint, this outcome is the most interesting and perhaps the highest stakes route that the plot could turn. Adlet is such a divisive member of the Rokka's that, if he is the seventh, the emotional fallout would be an excellent generation of fresh conflict for a more interesting second season where they finally confront the ultimate villain. The only reason I make my argument from this perspective is also because I see very little objective evidence revealed throughout the story itself. As a viewer I have no way to formulate my own conclusion as one might in a mystery novel. All we're given is, essentially, things Adlet has told us, and based off of good faith (good faith being an important thematic point for this anime) and his perceived uprightness as a character, we are inclined to believe him. However, because of this theme of belief, and the strange twist that this show has already taken from what I'm sure most of us expected, I can't shake the feeling that we, as viewers, are being deceived, not just by Adlet, but by the original writer in a tour de force of experimental creative writing competence. This sow could have been very straightforward, Rage of Bahamut-esque high adventure plot as the initial summaries made it out to be, but either intentionally or not, this turned out to be far from the truth, and to be honest we got something more engaging and interesting. My point is that our expectations were confounded from early on, and so, if we read these decisions to overturn our expectations as part of a story telling strategy, we should watch out going forward and make an effort not to fall into the more cliched expectations we may have fallen into making as anime consumers. Underneath it all, I also feel as though the very mythology of this world may be skewed. If anything, this anime has accomplished the feat of keeping the readers on their toes. And so, because the show has encouraged me to be skeptical of the characters, I wonder if that mindset is appropriate for the underlying assumptions we have of the world itself and the mythos that Rokka's world operates on. After all, every piece of information we've received on the Rokka's mission and the "evil to the west" has been secondhand, besides the body marks each Rokka has received (of which might serve a completely different purpose yet to be revealed. ) Speaking of secondhand information, Adlet does indeed seem to be the strongest man in the world when it comes to having answers. Not one of the characters seems to know the first thing about anything. Rather, Adlet seems to understand this and may be playing on it. For example, his theory about there being two fakes is plausible, but he seemed to grab it out of thin air so that, one realizes, anything might be possible in this world (or it's poor writing, which, since it's more interesting, I am not going to assume). This convinces me of one thing only, and that is, if hems not physically the strongest man in the world, to which he admits that he's just average, he just might be the smartest. The only peer he may have is in Hans, but Hans is a very specialized thinker, whereas Adlet's genius seems to touch on all aspects of life. As for his genius he seems to understand those that he's met quickly, as in break them down into their base components--namely their desires and perspectives, and "win" them as he's done with Hans, now Flamie, and formerly, Nashetanya. As a side note, I found his willingness to leave Nashetanya and pursue Flamie in the earlier part of the season to be odd since I found their companionship to be easy and comforting. But in hindsight, perhaps Adlet also found her too "easy" of a read and left for a more challenging, and perhaps a more worthwhile investment in Flamie as an ally. To return to my previous point on Adlet's genius, humoring the idea he may be the villain, he is also a genius actor. His game of wits with Hans just might extend one step further than what Hans thought possible, i.e. witnessing Adlet's true "dead man's face". Knowing Adlet's psychological adeptness, human understanding, and his being armed with the knowledge that Hans was an assassin, this may have been his true objective when gaining an ally in Hans. And as a last point, I can't see anyone else being the fake. Maura, as demonstrated in this episode is a bit too blunt in her methods, almost overtly tyrannical in getting the others to take action. She more of an upright dictator, stubborn but owning a sort of sixth sense in her un-substantiated judgment of Adlet as the seventh. In a sense, she is too fragile to be the seventh in that she is completely inflexible in personality. Then we are presented by Nashetanya this episode who reveals to us that she is just as fragile, but in the opposite way as Maura. She is too impressionable, too naive, and too shallow to really form and stand by her own belief. Just a word from Maura, whom she trusts, suddenly unconditionally for whatever reason, and she snaps. My first thought was what happened to her desire to believe in Adlet? She hadn't even gotten far in her own investigation against Hans and allows herself to be used, in quite a cruel fashion, by Maura's false proclamation. Her character is certainly a disappointing one, but given the circumstances and her background, I suppose, in hindsight, this was unavoidable for her. In the end, neither is she a very real or even daunting seventh, just a fragile and weak little girl. This leaves Goldov who very well may be the seventh given that he was the first to cast stones, i.e. when he first rendezvous with Nashetanya and reveals Flamie to be the Brave killer. But he is a very very uninteresting seventh as he has little personality to speak of and serves as little more than an extension of Nashetanya. If he is the seventh nothing would be gained or lost. So, in the end, it is because of Adlet's genius that I both love him as a protagonist and perhaps most suspect him as the antagonist. Thanks for exploring this thought with me. If you have a response please let it be heard or Pm me as I would love to have this discussed and be more thorough. I love time stamps and close "readings" so if you're willing to argue this seriously, I will certainly meet you there. Adlet being the 7th would be quite the twist... Both Maura and Nachetanya are upping their suspcious-ness quite a lot in these past episodes, to the point where if it weren't for Nachetanya lying I would think that both of them are "too obvious". I think that detail was supposed to be a clue for us viewers and until there's a proper explanation for that, I think I'm going to stick with Nachetanya being the 7th. Very little of me thinks it could be Mora though But some people went back and checked and that never happened Well, I think Mora's lie was worse, and had similar motive - to manipulate others into (not) killing Adlet. So I don't think Nashetania's lie proves anything, except that she's more subtle. Gov said: Was Nachetanya getting an orgasm when she got angry at Adlet? No, that's just that feeling when all the pieces of the puzzle come together, and the truth is revealed to you. It's a pleasant feeling. Or maybe the feeling when the theories and beliefs you held to be true are shattered. It's a very unpleasant feeling. A combination of the two is quite enough to break a princess or two. Paul said: Wasn't bunny girl like in sight of Adlet when he became a brave? I mean she literally appears right after he gets his mark, is all that light mumbo jumbo that happen not something that can be seen by others when becoming one cause there's no way she wouldn't have seen it considering her immediate introduction as a one brave to another as soon as he got his mark when he was in that hole. She expected him to become a Brave ever since seeing his performance in the tournament. She also expected herself to become one. So she had a plan of action from the beginning. It was something like "grab a maid, a pair of horses, a pack of travelling stuff stashed for the occasion, check if Adlet has become a brave too, and ride into the sunset". Any princess having to live in a court away from fun stuff must have such a plan. Zefyris said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. Unless she was the real ruler. We only know her father was a figurehead, not who was actually ruling the country. Gov said: Could she be getting off to this? Also, what sadistic bastard has a smile on their face when they are about to kill someone? Well, Chamo does. It's a standard procedure for yandere and yangire girls. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:27 AM
#223
A confession? Didn't see that coming. |
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Sep 6, 2015 2:28 AM
#224
SleuthofRednBlue said: tylerh129 said: King_of_Anime said: Nashetania just went full on Yandere... And not the good kind. Is there a good type of yandere? Good for the characters, no. Good for the viewer, yes. It's laughable that people are associated Nashetania with a yandere personality. She's not insanely in love with Adlet, she wants to deep-throat him for crying out loud. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:29 AM
#225
flannan said: Zefyris said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. Unless she was the real ruler. We only know her father was a figurehead, not who was actually ruling the country. It was said in episode 2 that the prime minister had all the power. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:36 AM
#226
Bunny girl should've laughed more. I guess next week we will know who the 7th is, right? With Bunny and Grandma being the most suspicous. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:39 AM
#227
juicykitten95 said: straggy said: Nashetanya's laugh sounded so terrible lmao, the voice acting was so lacklustre that it was just awkward. She should've gone all out. its her first time,remember this is all new to her she needs more practice thats all :) What are you talking about? Nashetanya's got a really prolific voice actress, she's not new and she should be capable of doing a laugh properly. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:41 AM
#228
Epic episode can't wait till next week. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:45 AM
#229
Zeally said: ibraheem234 said: After seeing this episode I can come up with only two conclusions/ a) Maybe the fake doesn't really know that he is a fake...... b) now canceling Hans Adlet Chammot and flammie , I believe Maura is also out of the circle. Leaving only Nashtania and Goldov. Here's what I think Maybe Goldov is the seventh and maybe during his search for the brave killer, he came upon something dark and now unconsciously carrying out fiends plans. So far we dont even know properly what are his true powers. Goldov is like a lapdog of Nashtania. I doubt it is him. He's just fiercely loyal and obviously in love with her That's what he wants you to think. He might even no longer be the Goldof Nashetania knew. Or he might have learned something that made him side with the demons. Remember, if someone works for you out of love, he will do what's best for you (in his mind), not what you want or tell him to do. For example, Goldof knows that there is a seventh among the Braves, and he knows the real way to activate the barrier. So he activated the barrier so that the Braves will find the fake, even through he is a genuine Brave. Jagd84 said: No not really. Mora believes Adlet is emotional manipulative person which is exactly why she doesn't trust him. It makes me wonder if she knew his teacher, and if he did deceive her in some way in the past. 4kicks said: After thinking about it some more, Nashetania is quite the dumb bimbo. From the start of the series, she seemed like an airheaded girl that would go along with any guy that caught her interest. With her skimpy "bunny" armor on top of that, I can confidently say she probably sleeps around like a dumb rabbit in heat, and has the intelligence level of one as well. Why else would the writer give her a bunny-girl design? I bet it's a metaphor for her being a dumb slut. Flemy's design is an exception, because she was raised by demons...what the hell do they know about clothes? If Nashetania turns to be the mastermind, those who consider her to be one now will laugh at this a lot. Tylaen said: So Adlet experienced a case of love at first sight? How inappropriate for the mission! That's what heroes do. And what people who spend their recent years training in the mountains and prisons with no people of the opposite gender do. |
Sep 6, 2015 2:51 AM
#230
Zefyris said: flannan said: Zefyris said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. Unless she was the real ruler. We only know her father was a figurehead, not who was actually ruling the country. It was said in episode 2 that the prime minister had all the power. It really was. I guess I missed that part. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:04 AM
#231
If rny get season 2. Damn! All hail tgurneu vs the brave |
Sep 6, 2015 3:06 AM
#232
I am factoring in real life(meaning author's decision) on top of whatever we seen in the anime for my guess. Plot twist? What if the whole activate barrier is a red herring? Nothing to do with the 7th brave. I just saw people in this thread talking about this whole season is only VOLUME 1. Yes VOLUME 1. And google suggest shows that the LN has at least up to volume 5. Plus I don't see any mention of the LN being "finish" so that should be a sign the guessing game is still going on. I don't feel we will know who is the 7th brave(by end of volume 1), but we will know who is the asshole that activate the barrier since there need to be conclusion of some sort as a closure of volume 1. In other words, this barrier thingy likely is "an arc" in the rokka no yuusha storyline, with the ultimate ending figuring out who is the fake brave and also kill off the demon king I guess. Or suffer total wipe in the midst of trying. Back to topic, I still feel Nash is the one that activate the barrier. Mora is just your typical dumb bitch whereas thru out the anime Nash been shown to be doing numerous suspicious act. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:09 AM
#233
Shingen_no_Yami said: sarroush said: What the fuck is going on. Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations. If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty. There's a particular reason for her stubborness(and no, it's not related to 7th hero case), but it won't be shown in this adaptation Yeah right. The volume 2 is the reason |
Sep 6, 2015 3:13 AM
#234
flannan said: Zefyris said: flannan said: Zefyris said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. Unless she was the real ruler. We only know her father was a figurehead, not who was actually ruling the country. It was said in episode 2 that the prime minister had all the power. It really was. I guess I missed that part. Don't feel too bad about it... Minor backstory spoilers: It comes up in book 3 that Nashetania was opposed to her father's reign, and when he was taken down, she was the one that chose the current prime minister. So she actually does have some power as the princess. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:21 AM
#235
Equitum said: [quote=ArtificialxSky]I just finished watching this episode and I want to share a theory that I've given some thought as events have unfolded since the seven Rokka's gathering. I'll warn any potential readers that this theory is going to be wild and founded from a very different bent than one might expect, that is, one based off of hard evidence provided by the show itself. Rather, this theory is one that I engage in because of my sensibilities as a graduate of English and creative writing. So in another sense, this theory is perhaps the way I would write the story, if I were up to do it. So please be warned and have fun as this was fun for me to develop. I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that Adlet is indeed the seventh, if only because, from a writer's standpoint, this outcome is the most interesting and perhaps the highest stakes route that the plot could turn. Adlet is such a divisive member of the Rokka's that, if he is the seventh, the emotional fallout would be an excellent generation of fresh conflict for a more interesting second season where they finally confront the ultimate villain. The only reason I make my argument from this perspective is because I see very little objective evidence revealed throughout the story itself. As a viewer I have no way to formulate my own conclusion as one might in a mystery novel. All we're given is, essentially, things Adlet has told us, and based off of good faith (good faith being an important thematic point for this anime) and his perceived uprightness as a character, we are inclined to believe him. However, because of this theme of belief, and the strange twist that this show has already taken from what I'm sure most of us expected, I can't shake the feeling that we, as viewers, are being deceived, not just by Adlet, but by the original writer in a tour de force of experimental creative writing competence. This show could have been very straightforward, Rage of Bahamut-esque high adventure plot as the initial summaries made it out to be, but either intentionally or not, this turned out to be far from the truth, and to be honest we got something more engaging and interesting. My point is that our expectations were confounded from early on, and so, if we read these decisions to overturn our expectations as part of a story telling strategy, we should watch out going forward and make an effort not to fall into the more cliched expectations we may have fallen into making as anime consumers. Underneath it all, I also feel as though the very mythology of this world may be skewed. If anything, this anime has accomplished the feat of keeping the readers on their toes. And so, because the show has encouraged me to be skeptical of the characters, I wonder if that mindset is appropriate for the underlying assumptions we have of the world itself and the mythos that Rokka's world operates on. After all, every piece of information we've received on the Rokka's mission and the "evil to the west" has been secondhand, besides the body marks each Rokka has received (of which might serve a completely different purpose yet to be revealed. ) Speaking of secondhand information, Adlet does indeed seem to be the strongest man in the world when it comes to having answers. Not one of the characters seems to know the first thing about anything. Rather, Adlet seems to understand this and may be playing on it. For example, his theory about there being two fakes is plausible, but he seemed to grab it out of thin air so that, one realizes, anything might be possible in this world (or it's poor writing, which, since it's more interesting, I am not going to assume). This convinces me of one thing only, and that is, if Adlet is not physically the strongest man in the world, to which he admits that he's just average, he just might be the smartest. The only peer he may have is in Hans, but Hans is a very specialized thinker, whereas Adlet's genius seems to touch on all aspects of life. As for his genius he seems to understand those that he's met quickly, as in break them down into their base components--namely their desires and perspectives, and "win" them as he's done with Hans, now Flamie, and formerly, Nashetanya. As a side note, I found his willingness to leave Nashetanya and pursue Flamie in the earlier part of the season to be odd since I found their companionship to be easy and comforting. But in hindsight, perhaps Adlet also found her too "easy" of a read and left for a more challenging, and perhaps a more worthwhile investment in Flamie as an ally. To return to my previous point on Adlet's genius, humoring the idea he may be the villain, he is also a genius actor. His game of wits with Hans just might extend one step further than what Hans thought possible, i.e. witnessing Adlet's true "dead man's face". Knowing Adlet's psychological adeptness, human understanding, and his being armed with the knowledge that Hans was an assassin, this may have been his true objective when gaining an ally in Hans, that is, faking a "dead man's face." And as a last point, I can't see anyone else being the fake. Maura, as demonstrated in this episode is a bit too blunt in her methods, almost overtly tyrannical in getting the others to take action. She's more of an upright dictator, stubborn but owning a sort of sixth sense in her un-substantiated judgment of Adlet as the seventh. In a sense, she is too fragile to be the seventh in that she is completely inflexible in personality. Then we are presented by Nashetanya this episode who reveals to us that she is just as fragile, but in the opposite way as Maura. She is too impressionable, too naive, and too shallow to really form and stand by her own belief. Just a word from Maura, whom she trusts, suddenly unconditionally for whatever reason, and she snaps. My first thought was what happened to her desire to believe in Adlet? She hadn't even gotten far in her own investigation against Hans and allowed herself to be used, in quite a cruel fashion, by Maura's false proclamation. Her character is certainly a disappointing one, but given the circumstances and her background, I suppose, in hindsight, this was unavoidable for her. In the end, neither is she a very real or even daunting seventh, just a fragile and weak little girl. This leaves Goldov who very well may be the seventh given that he was the first to cast stones, i.e. when he first rendezvous with Nashetanya and reveals Flamie to be the Brave killer. But he is a very very uninteresting seventh as he has almost no personality to speak of and serves as little more than an extension of Nashetanya. If he is the seventh nothing would be gained or lost. So, in the end, it is because of Adlet's genius that I both love him as a protagonist and perhaps most suspect him as the antagonist. Thanks for exploring this thought with me. If you have a response please let it be heard or Pm me as I would love to have this discussed and be more thorough. I love time stamps and close "readings" so if you're willing to argue this seriously, I will certainly meet you there. How do you explain the fact that we've been privy to most of Adlet's thoughts behind his actions? We hear thoughts of his on numerous occasions that disprove the idea that he is the seventh. Furthermore, we've seen him gain his 'Brave symbol' in the first episode. While I agree Adlet being the seventh would be a twist, I don't think it's possible given the above.[/quote] Well the funny thing Adlet is the only character we saw getting the brave symbol. We don't know how it happened to every other brave. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:52 AM
#236
Pretty sure the princess is the fake one especially after she went ham |
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Sep 6, 2015 4:09 AM
#237
sarroush said: What the fuck is going on. Why the hell is Mora acting like a grade A retard who doesn't use her brain? It's like she was told one thing and just decided to go with it without believing that there may be other explanations. If there isn't a proper explanation for her behavior, I can't believe an idiot is basically the 'leader' of the Braves. Specially when she's supposed to be my favorite character. I'm going to move back to team Fremy. Mora left me incredibly salty. Well, we really don't know Maura's backstory. Like Fremy, it is possible she too was betrayed by someone... quite like Adlet, or she has experienced a situation where a highly manipulative person created unnecessary doubts and fights among people just for his/her personal gain. If Maura is innocent, we know she is highly protective of the other girls, especially Fremy and Chamot. Probably because Maura has young daughters or young sisters? (dunno, haven't read the LN). Anyway, she must have been incredibly enraged when Adlet, who claimed to have protected Fremy, immediately abducted her and used her as a shield during his escape from the temple. In Maura's mind, this must have sealed Adlet's guilt. The fact that she now saw Fremy break down further confirmed her suspicions of Adlet being highly manipulative, especially of vulnerable young girls like Fremy and the Princess. The writing is so good that I'm sure they will be able to develop a great explanation for Maura's "narrow minded" behavior. Assuming she isn't the 7th of course! |
Sep 6, 2015 4:16 AM
#238
Fight the Feelz! damn that episode was aweome . Seriously besides Adlet , Fremy & Hans all the other are fucking irritating , Maura is a huge bitch who wants to kill Adlet at all costs even if it means lying and relying fake informations to everyone else , Chamot is a Little bitch and Maura's slave , Nashetanya is suspicious as fuck and doesn't even hesitate to attack Adlet even tho she "trusted" him & Goldov is Nashetanya's Dog Next time on Rokka No Yuusha : "The Power Of Love" |
Sep 6, 2015 4:20 AM
#239
Well so far about Nashetania : 1) She was close to Adlet since the start and by chance adlet was the key ''tool'' to this whole barrier plan , Coincidence 1 2)She tried to kill him while on the journey because she was excited ,Coincidence 2 3) She went out of control and broke the plate and magically calmed in 1 second afterwards, Coincidence 3 4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4 5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5 Maura : The only reason she is suspicious is her ''obsession'' adlet is guilty.Especially this episode she even lied about it. The problem with Maura is how she did it......also Hans is her alibi as well.But with nashetania we got adlet's theory that could pinpoint her as suspect. About the Love confession i agree with some people that said they laughed.I broke down to laughter as well. We as readers wait week after week for each episode.But for the chars in the anime only a FEW DAYS have passed. Adlet grew up with hellish training shown to be cunning/logical/suspicious of other and just in few days time he falls in love with what should be a killer and so much that he risked his life over and over again??It does not make sense to me,this is like reading some shoujo manga where hot guys fall in love with the main for no reason in 1 day and are ready to die for her.So in like 3 days the guy fell so hard with her to the point of risking life so much? I think adlet maybe lying to some extent or else its just funny and was not well done imo.(please dont flame me i ship them too haha) I liked flamies reaction tho,she didnt trust him till the very end was consistent with her char. Also if maura turns out to be innocent (imo she is,i cant see any theory she could have activated the barrier) that means she is like the most close minded/useless head of saints ever.Wonder if they get to explain to us why she acted like that. Maybe Maura+Nashetania are in this together??So the ''8th'' person could be maura. |
darbouxSep 6, 2015 4:34 AM
Sep 6, 2015 4:23 AM
#240
DragonBallSAO said: Really disappointed in this anime, its been stuck to the temple shit forever now Okay, DBZ guy. |
Sep 6, 2015 4:35 AM
#241
Wooho Fremy (o尸'▽')o尸゛ Now the princess has completely lost it, it seems .. D= and it looks like it was Mora after all... What can adlet possibly do to get though to her, that'll be interesting to find out next time. |
Sep 6, 2015 4:40 AM
#242
darboux said: 4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4 5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5 4) Sure, that makes sense but if she wanted to frame Adlet in the first place why did she try so hard to show she's on his side. Should she do nothing, Adlet would get killed anyways and noone would suspect her next. 5) If we assume for a minute that she isn't fake one, this can be perfectly explainable by: she really believed Hans did what she said he did, because she wanted to believe in Adlet's innocence so much that her mind started to warp her memory (things like that happen often to people, expecially if memory is supposed to be as precise as this). In other words, she successively lied to herself Hans really did that. And also about the point"2)", I don't really think she attacked seriosuly enough to be able to actually harm Adlet. |
Sep 6, 2015 4:40 AM
#243
The Princess went totally Yuno |
"I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered." Shiba Tatsuya "There are no regrets. If one can be proud of one's life, one should not wish for another chance." Saber "No matter what happens, no matter how crazy things get, I'll always try to restore balance." Korra "It's madness to let others take what's yours and accept it blindly." Baatar Jr "Instinct is a lie, told by a fearful body, hoping to be wrong." Zaheer "Partner in crime, partner in time" Chloe Price and Max Caulfield |
Sep 6, 2015 4:47 AM
#244
I love this anime. The characters, pacing and story is just great in all aspects. It's a shame we won't actually get to see them fight the demon, but I'm hopeful for a season 2 at least. Also, Maura is just a beast! |
Sep 6, 2015 4:56 AM
#245
CrotakuShinobi said: The Princess went totally Yuno The Laugh is missing/lacking imo |
Sep 6, 2015 4:56 AM
#246
apokaliz500 said: darboux said: 4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4 5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5 4) Sure, that makes sense but if she wanted to frame Adlet in the first place why did she try so hard to show she's on his side. Should she do nothing, Adlet would get killed anyways and noone would suspect her next. 5) If we assume for a minute that she isn't fake one, this can be perfectly explainable by: she really believed Hans did what she said he did, because she wanted to believe in Adlet's innocence so much that her mind started to warp her memory (things like that happen often to people, expecially if memory is supposed to be as precise as this). In other words, she successively lied to herself Hans really did that. And also about the point"2)", I don't really think she attacked seriosuly enough to be able to actually harm Adlet. Well about 5 if she believed adlet so hard that even her memories got warped it does not make sense how easy she switched to kill adlet... Anyway fact is all 5 coincidences can be explained to some extent individually but when there are so many of them it cant be just coincidences.Thats my point.Also the whole dramatic play she did like Adlet i trusted you and stuff.She talking like they spend years together when in fact they know each other for few days etc.. Wonder how they gonna explain these, 1) If nashetania is innocent then she is just a batshit crazy person. 2)If maura is innocent then it just means she is some kind of retard. The behaviour of the two seems forced just for plot convenience and does not make sense.Unless Both of them are guilty? |
Sep 6, 2015 5:01 AM
#247
I wish that this dude would stop saying he's the strongest man in the world. Is there some sort of psychological reason behind that or something? Is he saying that to reassure himself that his path is the correct one and he isn't wasting his time? I dunno.. but I wish he'd stop. |
Sep 6, 2015 5:01 AM
#248
darboux said: Well so far about Nashetania : 1) She was close to Adlet since the start and by chance adlet was the key ''tool'' to this whole barrier plan , Coincidence 1 2)She tried to kill him while on the journey because she was excited ,Coincidence 2 3) She went out of control and broke the plate and magically calmed in 1 second afterwards, Coincidence 3 4) She went on and told Goldof that Hans is the 7th and gather proof while showing her cleavage to him,and suddenly when she hears Maura saying Hans was injured by adlet so that means Adlet is the 7th she goes all crazy?Why in her mind Hans is the 7th so it makes SENSE if adlet injured him etc,why did she come to the conclusion Adlet is the 7th?According to her logic her reaction should have been : ''Goldov Adlet realised Hans is the 7th too and hans tried to attack adlet thats what happened lets go prevent them from killing him'' ,Coincidence 4 5) She lied about the princess thing to Goldof to make Hans the suspect,Coincidence 5 2) Some people say it is because Nashetania got angry at Adlet for insulting gods/saint system with his "only females can become saints. Maybe gods like women?". 3) quickly calming down is probably a skill saints and/or princesses learn. Pretty useful when you can randomy start throwing swords at people, and Nashetania got calm there very fast too. 4) This is pretty good. Maybe she wasn't that confident in Adlet and her theory? Well, chances are, the "theory" exists only to prevent Goldof from chasing after Adlet immediately. darboux said: Maura : The only reason she is suspicious is her ''obsession'' adlet is guilty.Especially this episode she even lied about it. The problem with Maura is how she did it......also Hans is her alibi as well.But with nashetania we got adlet's theory that could pinpoint her as suspect. Either Mora is the kind of person who has her pet theory and pushes it even past the point where it seems sane to do so (people in our world tend to be like that on the matters of ideology and religion, but I've heard that it happens even with scientists and their theories), or she is the 7th. darboux said: About the Love confession i agree with some people that said they laughed.I broke down to laughter as well. We as readers wait week after week for each episode.But for the chars in the anime only a FEW DAYS have passed. Adlet grew up with hellish training shown to be cunning/logical/suspicious of other and just in few days time he falls in love with what should be a killer and so much that he risked his life over and over again??It does not make sense to me,this is like reading some shoujo manga where hot guys fall in love with the main for no reason in 1 day and are ready to die for her.So in like 3 days the guy fell so hard with her to the point of risking life so much? I think adlet maybe lying to some extent or else its just funny and was not well done imo.(please dont flame me i ship them too haha) We're talking about Adlet, who is well known for his quickness of thinking, not for depth of thinking. And "suspicious of others" doesn't seem to be part of his training. On the other hand, a few hours is probably enough to fall in love with somebody. It takes more time to get confident that the other person is who you think he/she is, and gain confidence in your own feelings. But you can start behaving irrationally long before that, it's just that lesser men won't be able to face the truth (and say it) so quickly. |
Sep 6, 2015 5:03 AM
#249
2 episodes left and the true adventure mentioned in the synopsis hasn't even begun. I'm hoping so bad for a season 2, cuz the probability is just too low. Welp, at least I gotta witness dat confession and the weirdest mental breakdown of the season. |
Sep 6, 2015 5:13 AM
#250
Wait was adlet serious with that love confession? The way it looked to me was that he was straight up lying about that and just trying to gain fremy's trust. Which is why when she attacked him it seemed all the more believable because I'm sure a lot of others had try to do the same and then turned on her. I mean, when he was thinking about what to say he said one thing in his head then said something totally different out loud.. I was 100% sure he was lying. |
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