Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Aug 24, 2015 10:28 AM
#201
Gov said: Can anyone explain to me why Chamot acts this way? She is a child yet finds it normal to want to kill and torture people. Was she brainwashed or something? I don't get how someone like this who is this mentally off can function normally in society. She isn't "normally working" within society and was never supposed to. She received power when she was 7 and only thing she was trained to for whole time is to kill. She is 14 or so now. This is what she exists for. In a way, she is a living weapon. She is looking forward killing because this is only thing she was ever taught to do. |
Aug 24, 2015 10:32 AM
#202
Malise said: Gov said: Can anyone explain to me why Chamot acts this way? She is a child yet finds it normal to want to kill and torture people. Was she brainwashed or something? I don't get how someone like this who is this mentally off can function normally in society. She isn't "normally working" within society and was never supposed to. She received power when she was 7 and only thing she was trained to for whole time is to kill. She is 14 or so now. This is what she exists for. In a way, she is a living weapon. She is looking forward killing because this is only thing she was ever taught to do. Killing fiends sure but people? Also for someone trained for so long, her power has a huge downside in that she has to vomit out the swamp and then let the monsters take shape. A gun shot to the face while she is vomiting is all she needs to be taken out. Unless of course she has more powers. |
Aug 24, 2015 10:34 AM
#203
ttcchen said: FallenUndead said: Man, I really thought that Adelt was dead for a second there, had to put my breakfast down for a second wow u woke up very early... I watched it when I woke up 9:00 PM Sunday evening, watched it before heading out too work at 10. I still couldn't wrap my head around it, there's no way Hans would be the one to kill Adelt lol |
Aug 24, 2015 10:40 AM
#204
Gov said: Killing fiends sure but people? She was forced to fight human too so it doesn't matter to her now really. She is not exactly mentally stable, sure, but child soldiers are like that. Gov said: A gun shot to the face while she is vomiting is all she needs to be taken out That was exactly what Fremy tried already. It didn't work well. |
Aug 24, 2015 10:40 AM
#205
Tylaen said: We doing good. Must reach the top at all cost. Just must. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:01 AM
#206
Malise said: Gov said: Killing fiends sure but people? She was forced to fight human too so it doesn't matter to her now really. She is not exactly mentally stable, sure, but child soldiers are like that. Gov said: A gun shot to the face while she is vomiting is all she needs to be taken out That was exactly what Fremy tried already. It didn't work well. We didn't see the fight. For all we know Chamot surprised her with her vomit and Fremy let her fiends take shape. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:01 AM
#207
I actually pity Chamo. Throwing up so much must hurt like hell. And exactly how do those monsters return into her? She eats them up? They turn into liquid and she sucks it in? (both options seem equally disgusting...) |
Aug 24, 2015 11:07 AM
#208
HandsomeMan said: juicykitten95 said: HandsomeMan said: Frrrosty said: You forgot "I think" at the start of your sentence. Likability is not a factor in how good a character is lol. I just find her a realistic character. What do you get when you make an egotistical brat overpowered? Chamo of course. But no, I haven't read the LN, I just think this series is my AOTS judging by the writing quality. P.S: Could you stop with the "shit taste' buzzword? Awful taste is close enough to it. People like you really ruin the franchises for others. Get off your high horse, I can write what I want, especially in a discussion forum. Just read what you type and see how condescending you sound. Don't make Rokka no Yuusha be another series hated on like Fate by showing your cocky attitude. Your elitist attitude is not wanted here. And I never said your proclaimed "shit taste" buzzword, learn to read. wtf is wrong with you ? this man told you the truth and you act all offended badly written character =/= unlikable character I never said she was badly written. Did you even read my initial comment? Honestly, where do idiots like you crawl out from? "Worst" doesn't have to mean badly written in the first place, it can mean many other things, you plonker. Classy now we're throwing around derogatory terms in people's faces. That will show them that they're wrong and you're right, oh wait. Please remain calm, it doesn't help your case, to call people idiots at all. Also yes when saying she's the worst character ever, you're actually implying she's worse than every badly written character ever. So what you actually are saying is that even badly written characters are better than her. |
Shock_YinAug 24, 2015 11:15 AM
Aug 24, 2015 11:16 AM
#209
Gov said: We didn't see the fight. For all we know Chamot surprised her with her vomit and Fremy let her fiends take shape. One of her fiends caught the bullet. There is no guarantee there isn't one around if you try to hurt her. Actually she already had at least one fiend running around before she literally vomited out reinforcements. Besides it is suggested she was able to kill the opponent in one to one combat too so she pretty much can fight conventionally |
Aug 24, 2015 11:20 AM
#210
Malise said: Gov said: We didn't see the fight. For all we know Chamot surprised her with her vomit and Fremy let her fiends take shape. One of her fiends caught the bullet. There is no guarantee there isn't one around if you try to hurt her. Actually she already had at least one fiend running around before she literally vomited out reinforcements. Besides it is suggested she was able to kill the opponent in one to one combat too so she pretty much can fight conventionally With what her child like body and her green vomit stick? |
Aug 24, 2015 11:25 AM
#211
Shock_Yin said: HandsomeMan said: juicykitten95 said: HandsomeMan said: Frrrosty said: You forgot "I think" at the start of your sentence. Likability is not a factor in how good a character is lol. I just find her a realistic character. What do you get when you make an egotistical brat overpowered? Chamo of course. But no, I haven't read the LN, I just think this series is my AOTS judging by the writing quality. P.S: Could you stop with the "shit taste' buzzword? Awful taste is close enough to it. People like you really ruin the franchises for others. Get off your high horse, I can write what I want, especially in a discussion forum. Just read what you type and see how condescending you sound. Don't make Rokka no Yuusha be another series hated on like Fate by showing your cocky attitude. Your elitist attitude is not wanted here. And I never said your proclaimed "shit taste" buzzword, learn to read. wtf is wrong with you ? this man told you the truth and you act all offended badly written character =/= unlikable character I never said she was badly written. Did you even read my initial comment? Honestly, where do idiots like you crawl out from? "Worst" doesn't have to mean badly written in the first place, it can mean many other things, you plonker. Classy now we're throwing around derogatory terms in people's faces. That will show them that they're wrong and you're right, oh wait. Please remain calm, it doesn't help your case, to call people idiots at all. Also yes when saying she's the worst character ever, you're actually implying she's worse than every badly written character ever. So what you actually are saying is that even badly written characters are better than her. **** outta here. Tired of people like you, who only post to annoy others. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:27 AM
#212
Aug 24, 2015 11:31 AM
#213
Frrrosty said: @Gov, let's just wait for episode 9 to air shall we? Then we will see if her power truly is deadly as everyone says it is. Criticizing Chamo's potential before she's shown us the ins and outs doesn't seem right. Alright. We will wait but I am not impressed with what I seen so far. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:35 AM
#214
Gov said: With what her child like body and her green vomit stick? I am not sure of the details, but yes. Actually, no one tried to arm wrestle her. She still is a most powerful Saint in history after the flower one. There are quite lot of things to do when you are poseses by a god and train/fight for 7 years non stop. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:44 AM
#215
HandsomeMan said: Shock_Yin said: HandsomeMan said: juicykitten95 said: HandsomeMan said: Frrrosty said: You forgot "I think" at the start of your sentence. Likability is not a factor in how good a character is lol. I just find her a realistic character. What do you get when you make an egotistical brat overpowered? Chamo of course. But no, I haven't read the LN, I just think this series is my AOTS judging by the writing quality. P.S: Could you stop with the "shit taste' buzzword? Awful taste is close enough to it. People like you really ruin the franchises for others. Get off your high horse, I can write what I want, especially in a discussion forum. Just read what you type and see how condescending you sound. Don't make Rokka no Yuusha be another series hated on like Fate by showing your cocky attitude. Your elitist attitude is not wanted here. And I never said your proclaimed "shit taste" buzzword, learn to read. wtf is wrong with you ? this man told you the truth and you act all offended badly written character =/= unlikable character I never said she was badly written. Did you even read my initial comment? Honestly, where do idiots like you crawl out from? "Worst" doesn't have to mean badly written in the first place, it can mean many other things, you plonker. Classy now we're throwing around derogatory terms in people's faces. That will show them that they're wrong and you're right, oh wait. Please remain calm, it doesn't help your case, to call people idiots at all. Also yes when saying she's the worst character ever, you're actually implying she's worse than every badly written character ever. So what you actually are saying is that even badly written characters are better than her. **** outta here. Tired of people like you, who only post to annoy others. Oh I'm sorry if I offended you, but at the looks of things that isn't very hard. I mean I've seen a lot worse and people are still more calm than you. Please if you can't take this much, then please be my guest and leave. But apparently you can call people idiots, but me pointing something out makes me the person that tries to annoy people. You got it backwards. |
Shock_YinAug 24, 2015 11:48 AM
Aug 24, 2015 11:45 AM
#216
Malise said: Gov said: With what her child like body and her green vomit stick? I am not sure of the details, but yes. Actually, no one tried to arm wrestle her. She still is a most powerful Saint in history after the flower one. There are quite lot of things to do when you are poseses by a god and train/fight for 7 years non stop. The only reason she is that powerful is because of her ability. They regenerate and she has able to make multiple fiends that allow her to be protected. Don't bring up physical gifts of a child who hasn't shown any the entire time she was on screen. |
Aug 24, 2015 12:10 PM
#217
I thought Hans was a dick when I first saw him, think he's kinda awesome now and Chamot's just a little shit. Mora seems a little suspicious but also has leadership qualities. Nashetania is still annoying and I still don't like Goldov, he's a stiff and boring character. |
Aug 24, 2015 12:24 PM
#218
Shock_Yin said: HandsomeMan said: Shock_Yin said: HandsomeMan said: juicykitten95 said: HandsomeMan said: Frrrosty said: You forgot "I think" at the start of your sentence. Likability is not a factor in how good a character is lol. I just find her a realistic character. What do you get when you make an egotistical brat overpowered? Chamo of course. But no, I haven't read the LN, I just think this series is my AOTS judging by the writing quality. P.S: Could you stop with the "shit taste' buzzword? Awful taste is close enough to it. People like you really ruin the franchises for others. Get off your high horse, I can write what I want, especially in a discussion forum. Just read what you type and see how condescending you sound. Don't make Rokka no Yuusha be another series hated on like Fate by showing your cocky attitude. Your elitist attitude is not wanted here. And I never said your proclaimed "shit taste" buzzword, learn to read. wtf is wrong with you ? this man told you the truth and you act all offended badly written character =/= unlikable character I never said she was badly written. Did you even read my initial comment? Honestly, where do idiots like you crawl out from? "Worst" doesn't have to mean badly written in the first place, it can mean many other things, you plonker. Classy now we're throwing around derogatory terms in people's faces. That will show them that they're wrong and you're right, oh wait. Please remain calm, it doesn't help your case, to call people idiots at all. Also yes when saying she's the worst character ever, you're actually implying she's worse than every badly written character ever. So what you actually are saying is that even badly written characters are better than her. **** outta here. Tired of people like you, who only post to annoy others. Oh I'm sorry if I offended you, but at the looks of things that isn't very hard. I mean I've seen a lot worse and people are still more calm than you. Please if you can't take this much, then please be my guest and leave. But apparently you can call people idiots, but me pointing something out makes me the person that tries to annoy people. You got it backwards. Your stupidity astounds me. How do you even know if I'm calm or not over the internet? You obviously post just to annoy others, because I already mentioned that when I said "worst" I meant "unlikable" not "poorly written". I don't know what kind of English they teach you in Denmark, but there are things called synonyms. Should I repeat it again for you? When I said Chamot is the worst character, I meant she was the least likable character for me. Not poorly written. Did your brain comprehend that now? |
Aug 24, 2015 12:35 PM
#219
Gov said: Malise said: Gov said: With what her child like body and her green vomit stick? I am not sure of the details, but yes. Actually, no one tried to arm wrestle her. She still is a most powerful Saint in history after the flower one. There are quite lot of things to do when you are poseses by a god and train/fight for 7 years non stop. The only reason she is that powerful is because of her ability. They regenerate and she has able to make multiple fiends that allow her to be protected. Don't bring up physical gifts of a child who hasn't shown any the entire time she was on screen. Yes and? He ability is her power. The same as Nashetania's magic blades being her powers or Fremy's specialized powders are her powers. She was trained how to use it just like anyone else. Malise said: She isn't "normally working" within society and was never supposed to. She received power when she was 7 and only thing she was trained to for whole time is to kill. She is 14 or so now. This is what she exists for. In a way, she is a living weapon. She is looking forward killing because this is only thing she was ever taught to do. It's more because she often stronger than anyone else so people tend to fear her which leads to Chamo often getting what she wants. Hence her lack of maturity. |
Iron_MawAug 24, 2015 12:42 PM
Aug 24, 2015 12:51 PM
#220
I like how the anime portray each character, making them seem suspicious being the 7th. From the looks of it since the very beginning, it seems they will only animate the vol.1 of the novel. So this anime is most likely an introduction to the novel unless there will be season 2 or 3. |
"The opposite of boredom is not pleasure... but excitement. People will gladly seek out any kind of excitement, even pain." -Makishima Shougo |
Aug 24, 2015 1:27 PM
#221
Goldov 2jelly Chamo is going full psychotic, and Hans, Adlet and Flemy are pretty much clear. Goldov is also a little clear, i think. Bunny girl and Granny are the most suspicous right now, imo. |
Aug 24, 2015 2:26 PM
#222
Jagd84 said: He need a hostage to escape in the first place. Killing her would just means he would die next after losing his leverage. If Adlet was 7th than keeping the heroes in the barrier as long as possible should be his priority, hence his action makes more sense here because if he dies then the barrier is gone. Furthermore Fremy doesn't trust, she just not entirely convinced he's the 7th. If he was the 7th and he was already outted as the 7th after he took Fremy hostage and escaped with her he could have killed her or at least poisoned her or something since he uses secret weapons. The 7th's ultimate goal isn't really stated but I would think the 7th snuck in to do as much damage as possible (presumedly before kicking the bucket because how optimistic could they really be to think they could get rid of ALL the heroes AND survive at the same time) And I said Fremy had more trust in him then she did in anyone else, not that she fully trusted Adlet. NowOrNever88 said: Inugirlz said: Zefyris said: They didn't run out of patience really. Hans made pretty good points that were all backed up by Mora. Then Goldof let his jealousy talk and Adlet took a hostage which convinced Mora completely as well. Personally I don't think the reason why Mora believes Adlet to be completely guilty is fair. If he was really guilty he wouldn't just take Fremy as a hostage, he would have just killed her. He had enough time to stick a needle into her to put her to sleep, he could have just slit her throat, especially considering she was more trusting of him. For the 7th, the whole point is the lessen the amount of heroes. Mora isn't being fair. He needed to take a hostage to escape that sitation. If volume 2 is animated after this one, you will actually learn Maura's reasoning and its actually quite valid. Its a shame but theres a lot of small things this one season wont touch on that may be headscratchers for others but is elaborated very thoroughly in the books. Even the irrational actions and words of some characters is explained. I'm actually caught up with the LN so i know Mora's reasonings. I still don't think she was completely rational by making that judgement. There was never any solid proof Adlet did it but yet she wants to kill him without even listening any possible explanations (because she's under the assumption that he's the fake and therefore could be lying and trying to trick them) NoongaJuice said: ^Assumption. Backed by.....? Nothing? Fact: Demon King wakes up in 30 days. i.e. if the 7th just holds the Heroes off for 30 days, the world is f*cked. Or it'll just be a heck of a lot harder for the Heroes to win. Conclusion: Motive of 7th is still unknown, but killing a hero(es?) is not necessary in the grand scheme of things. (Yes, there is a grand scheme of things, if you had forgotten.) You're right that was an assumption I made which I clarified in this next comment. But it's a reasonable assumption considering we know Adlet is innocence and by having him framed the 7th is making it so that he'll likely end up eliminated. Latest episode also touched on how Adlet was worried Fremy would be framed next thus the list of heroes would dwindle. |
InugirlzAug 24, 2015 2:32 PM
Aug 24, 2015 2:52 PM
#223
Aug 24, 2015 3:05 PM
#224
Aug 24, 2015 3:10 PM
#225
black1blade said: I am really tempted to read the novels but I'm guessing the 7th is revealed by the end of the first book right? yes and no. Msg me for full details. |
Aug 24, 2015 4:35 PM
#226
ScarRufus said: ._. mudkip used muddy water ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE! damn i wish i could upchuck the things i eat and have them attack people she gets full marks in my book i allways love the blood knights and there simplistic way of thinking |
GrimAtramentAug 24, 2015 5:21 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Aug 24, 2015 4:37 PM
#227
I definitely think the seventh brave is Maura or Goldov now. Maura is acting really suspicious and she may have lied about the petal dissipating when a brave dies to convince them that the one killed is a fake when they are not. Goldov is just annoying and he may be doing it because he loves bunny princess so much that he's crazy. |
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Aug 24, 2015 6:29 PM
#228
Frrrosty said: Andromalus said: Because she was with Chamot, Chamot believes her. If she had a plot she could ve killed her before they even got to the temple and then say she hadn't met her. No matter how op Chamot is, I think Maura could ve killed her since Chamot doesn't suspect her. Although the "Kill him, no matter what" in today's episode might make her seem suspicious, I think it was just because she thinks Fremy might have doubts when she confronted Adlet (If he was the fake) and would end up dieing. But, even if Adlet is fake, he is still a nice guy so that won't be happening. Well here's my counterargument : 1. Mora was with Hans not Chamo. (Episode 4) 2.Chamo is a simpleton in character so she could be easily manipulated by Mora 3.You're assuming that the fake's goal is to kill all the other braves. It hasn't been stated in the anime and the other braves don't know the fake's objective. I know Maura appeared with Hans, I just concluded she was with Chamot before they gathered in the temple because of the "It can't be Maura so I won't kill her". And even though she appears to be a simpleton, she has her reasons for suspecting the others. Fremy because she tried to kill her, Adlet for the reasons everyone else thinks he is, Hans because of his behaviour, then come Nashetaniya and Goldof. The princess because of her tantrum. (She wouldn't dare touch Goldof though.) That's why I think she knows Maura isn't the fake. If I'm assuming anything, it's that Nashetaniya is the fake, along with Adlet who is unaware. That's why she's trying to protect him/get on his good side. She also might be working with the fiends and she could have activated the barrier with her saint power (swords and sh*t). I'm definitely not assuming that the fake's goal is to kill them, but just following the logic after assuming Maura and Chamot had met earlier. If Maura killed her back then and then appeared with Hans, no one would even think there was a fake. (Except if there are 2 fakes in the current cast and the 6th real brave appeared, in which case we would again have 7 people). Also, if they have met, I'm not sure if it was before or after the whole thing with Fremy. If it was after, then Fremy might have suspected Maura, but if not, it'd be much easier for her. So instead of doing that, she somehow gained her trust? Doubt that is the fake's goal. Even if it's a master plan, there is a high chance of backfiring. And I didn't really think of what I wrote as arguments, just my thoughts so not sure if it's nice of you to counter them. PS: Nashetaniya RED eyes, Adlet RED hair. Fakes confirmed. |
Aug 24, 2015 7:13 PM
#229
Andromalus said: Frrrosty said: Andromalus said: Because she was with Chamot, Chamot believes her. If she had a plot she could ve killed her before they even got to the temple and then say she hadn't met her. No matter how op Chamot is, I think Maura could ve killed her since Chamot doesn't suspect her. Although the "Kill him, no matter what" in today's episode might make her seem suspicious, I think it was just because she thinks Fremy might have doubts when she confronted Adlet (If he was the fake) and would end up dieing. But, even if Adlet is fake, he is still a nice guy so that won't be happening. Well here's my counterargument : 1. Mora was with Hans not Chamo. (Episode 4) 2.Chamo is a simpleton in character so she could be easily manipulated by Mora 3.You're assuming that the fake's goal is to kill all the other braves. It hasn't been stated in the anime and the other braves don't know the fake's objective. I know Maura appeared with Hans, I just concluded she was with Chamot before they gathered in the temple because of the "It can't be Maura so I won't kill her". And even though she appears to be a simpleton, she has her reasons for suspecting the others. Fremy because she tried to kill her, Adlet for the reasons everyone else thinks he is, Hans because of his behaviour, then come Nashetaniya and Goldof. The princess because of her tantrum. (She wouldn't dare touch Goldof though.) That's why I think she knows Maura isn't the fake. If I'm assuming anything, it's that Nashetaniya is the fake, along with Adlet who is unaware. That's why she's trying to protect him/get on his good side. She also might be working with the fiends and she could have activated the barrier with her saint power (swords and sh*t). I'm definitely not assuming that the fake's goal is to kill them, but just following the logic after assuming Maura and Chamot had met earlier. If Maura killed her back then and then appeared with Hans, no one would even think there was a fake. (Except if there are 2 fakes in the current cast and the 6th real brave appeared, in which case we would again have 7 people). Also, if they have met, I'm not sure if it was before or after the whole thing with Fremy. If it was after, then Fremy might have suspected Maura, but if not, it'd be much easier for her. So instead of doing that, she somehow gained her trust? Doubt that is the fake's goal. Even if it's a master plan, there is a high chance of backfiring. And I didn't really think of what I wrote as arguments, just my thoughts so not sure if it's nice of you to counter them. PS: Nashetaniya RED eyes, Adlet RED hair. Fakes confirmed. Ironically, this post helped me see why people think that Maura is the fake. With Chamo on her side all of the real Braves can be easily eliminated. She suggested they go off into pairs to make it easier for them to get picked off. So I also don't think that Maura has been cleared. You seem to be judging her based on what she HASN'T done. Personally, I think that the Fake's objective would be completed if they killed off all the Braves, UNLESS my theory is right and Goldov is the fake and set up the barrier to keep the princess from fighting. That dude is TOO controlling and every episode seems to show it. |
Aug 24, 2015 8:01 PM
#230
Forgetfulness said: plus we aren't sure if she can control the blade in the temple. so far we've only seen her control blades she had created. it's not safe to assume things before we see themAlthough interesting, I don't think the "Nashetaniya can control swords so she's suspicious" argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. |
Aug 24, 2015 8:08 PM
#231
Forgetfulness said: argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. Assuming that soldier told the true to all of them in my opinion only 7 was aware how to rise a barrier and it happened when the first 4 braves was at the temple .. i was writing about it on 2 page it's only theory but seem possible;p |
Aug 24, 2015 8:10 PM
#232
Nashetanya. Final guess and I'm gonna stick to it even though I don't believe or understand it entirely. She randomly attacked Adlet in episode 2, she's acted oddly inside the temple twice, and she's only further pitting Goldov against Adlet. How she could enter without a key, place the sword in the dais, and recite the chant, no goddamn clue, but Maura couldn't have done it either. ttcchen said: Forgetfulness said: plus we aren't sure if she can control the blade in the temple. so far we've only seen her control blades she had created. it's not safe to assume things before we see themAlthough interesting, I don't think the "Nashetaniya can control swords so she's suspicious" argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. Not true, she controlled the blade she had placed in Adlet's prison-pit. |
Aug 24, 2015 8:19 PM
#233
uran10 said: Okay from this episode the cleared people IMO are: Hans Adlet Chamot (Just a spoiled impatient brat who prefers to kill) Fremy Suspicious Moura (Just went up to a 10% on my scale) Princess (90%) Just cause mora went up. Love sick puppy Goldov As it stands the princess is pretty suspicious as it is, moura clearly thinks adlet is the fake or is using that to try to get the one person adlet really trusts in the camp to kill him. The Princess feels like she is just leading love sick away so he doesn't do anything IMO. And like I said the others are pretty much cleared. I figure we'll narrow it down to Princess and mora within the next 2 episodes with the final episode revealing which of the two of them it is. Your thoughts are pretty similar to mine. But I would put the princess at 60% and Moura at 40%, personally. My only other theory is that none of them are fake. In reality, even though there are only six braves who fight the demon lord, there are actually several more who are selected. My reasoning behind this is that Moura stated that whenever a brave dies, a petal is removed from the mark. However, none of the other braves seemed to be aware of that, despite Fremy going on a murderous rampage with the other braves. Perhaps, the petals are designed to disappear only for those that the wearer deems to be his/her comrade. It's just that one of (or all of the them depending on how you look at it) them unfortunately came when they shouldn't have. Perhaps the barrier is designed not just to keep fiends out, but to keep other potential braves from coming as well. Anyway, that's just my dumb theory for the day. |
Aug 24, 2015 8:41 PM
#234
I made a whole big post about how i was kinda disapointed with this show. then i forgot to post it, and X'ed out. Ugh. Oh well. Chamo's ability was surprising. Hans had some tricks too. Adlet realized something super important, but we dont get to know what it was. |
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Aug 24, 2015 9:05 PM
#235
Aug 24, 2015 9:08 PM
#236
Nachetanya and Maura are my top list suspects |
Aug 24, 2015 10:35 PM
#237
I'm now only 70% sure that Nachetania is the seventh, but that's probably going down to 50% if Chamot is revealed to not know how to activate the barrier. I DON'T LIKE NACHETANIA!!! I was honestly scared when Hans 'killed' Adlet. Also, Chamot, wow, that was weird. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but she... eats fiends, turns them into swampy versions who regen almost instantly, then use them in battle? |
Aug 24, 2015 11:31 PM
#238
Forgetfulness said: Although interesting, I don't think the "Nashetaniya can control swords so she's suspicious" argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. Nash is the most suspicious given what she did at the altar. Now there is two obvious method the author will write the story. Either everything shown thus far is accurate, and we not knowing who the fake brave is just because of not enough information, OR there are lies along the way. I too strongly feel Nash is the fake. The "she can manipulate sword and thus activate the barrier" is the self reassurance of my-guess-is-right if the author choose the former writing style. ie Everything we seen thus far is accurate and thus no asspull, which also means the only possible way for author to explain the activation of barrier has to be Nash's ability to manipulate sword. Of course it needn't go down that path(Nash control sword and activate), but for me personally Nash is very likely to be the fake. The altar scene definitely is the most crucial clue. TL:DR Suspect Nash first. Guessing sword controlling ability being the ans to the puzzle is the reconciliation to the suspicion. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:48 PM
#239
weather3003 said: Ironically, this post helped me see why people think that Maura is the fake. With Chamo on her side all of the real Braves can be easily eliminated. She suggested they go off into pairs to make it easier for them to get picked off. So I also don't think that Maura has been cleared. You seem to be judging her based on what she HASN'T done. Personally, I think that the Fake's objective would be completed if they killed off all the Braves, UNLESS my theory is right and Goldov is the fake and set up the barrier to keep the princess from fighting. That dude is TOO controlling and every episode seems to show it. If anything, this episode where it alternate scenes between Maura insisting a fellow brave to kill Adlet on sight and Nash instead trying to cast doubt on ANOTHER brave reduces Maura likelihood and increases Nash. Unless killing off a single brave means instant victory(unlikely since killing off a single brave is actually so easily done lol), the fake brave is unlikely to be so direct like how Maura reacted. Wanting Adlet dead with conviction. |
Aug 24, 2015 11:58 PM
#240
Glad to see this anime has gotten pretty good after those iffy first episodes. Once the mystery kicked in things started getting real interesting, hell even the fights seem better now lol. |
Aug 25, 2015 12:01 AM
#241
Aug 25, 2015 12:18 AM
#242
Andromalus said: I know Maura appeared with Hans, I just concluded she was with Chamot before they gathered in the temple because of the "It can't be Maura so I won't kill her". Chamo, Nashetania and Mora have met before, as saints. In particular, Mora is a parent figure to Chamo, because she has probably took a big role in her training. sachi_shimazu said: Also, Chamot, wow, that was weird. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but she... eats fiends, turns them into swampy versions who regen almost instantly, then use them in battle? That is right. Andromalus said: PS: Nashetaniya RED eyes, Adlet RED hair. Fakes confirmed. This like made me think if Nashetania is related to DanMachi's protagonist, Bell Cranel. His colleagues say he is quite rabbit-like, he has white hair and red eyes. Old_Raven said: ttcchen said: Forgetfulness said: Although interesting, I don't think the "Nashetaniya can control swords so she's suspicious" argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. Not true, she controlled the blade she had placed in Adlet's prison-pit. The blade that was placed in Adlet's prison might be a saint artifact, similar to Fremy's firecrackers and salt pillars protecting the temple. Making such things seems a common ability for the saints. MegaShadowFist said: My only other theory is that none of them are fake. In reality, even though there are only six braves who fight the demon lord, there are actually several more who are selected. My reasoning behind this is that Moura stated that whenever a brave dies, a petal is removed from the mark. However, none of the other braves seemed to be aware of that, despite Fremy going on a murderous rampage with the other braves. Perhaps, the petals are designed to disappear only for those that the wearer deems to be his/her comrade. It's just that one of (or all of the them depending on how you look at it) them unfortunately came when they shouldn't have. Perhaps the barrier is designed not just to keep fiends out, but to keep other potential braves from coming as well. Anyway, that's just my dumb theory for the day. The people Fremy killed were brave candidates, people whom other people thought likely to be chosen as braves. They did not have their brave marks yet. Brave marks are given when the demon god start awakening, and from that moment on, it's a race for time, so there is merit in killing the potential braves before that moment. ViciLockhart said: flannan said: She wasn't? Maybe that's because Mora is the 7th. Maybe because she is quite weak and old, so wasn't deemed a priority target. 30 years i wouldn't consider her as old also maybe she isn't the strongest but she isn't weak also .. In episode 3 i belevie Adlet wasn't suprised that she was chosen because she was well known as a saint and head of a temple i'm sure that Fremy leaders was aware of her so why she wasn't targeted by them .. btw sry for my bad english;p That leaves the version that she's the 7threally likely. |
Aug 25, 2015 1:27 AM
#243
The princess is suspicious, but the "evidence" against her is almost entirely based on how the viewers decide to interpret her actions, not the actual actions themselves. From a practical standpoint, regardless of motive, Mora is the most suspicious. First, she knows the most about the system behind the barrier. Second, she arrived first. Third, she's the only one who could have entered the temple WITHOUT breaking in, and may have had a way of closing the door again. In fact, using the key might not have forced the door to stay closed at all, and it could be closed again. She was quick to accept Adlet's guilt and equally willing to accept Fremy's innocence and makes a point of Adlet's death being priority. It's her acceptance of Fremy's story and willingness to trust her that threw me off at first. The thing about locked room mysteries is that there's basically two ways to do it, and both are premeditated, because you're forcing a situation where you are, by the very nature of the situation, a suspect. What's worse is that the number of suspects are inherently limited, and since everyone else is innocent, you have to cultivate a situation where one or more of them can't provide an alibi, or that you CAN provide an alibi. I suspect that if it WAS her, she engineered the situation so that the ritual would activate when the door was next opened. If she could figure out a way of setting up the ritual to trigger remotely, then she would have had plenty of time to set it up. But I'm still not sure that is the case, since there's still a lot of unknowns, including how that fiend that morphed into an injured priestess was within the anti-fiend barrier. Anyway, I'm most suspicious of Mora, and then I guess my next suspicion would be Goldof, but I doubt he's... creative enough to get inside. My favorite theory, though, is that none of them are the seventh, or, rather, they were all correctly chosen. An unforeseen force - maybe the demon god himself - planned this all out. Having the barrier up doesn't completely help his plan - it blocks his personal advance - but if he could turn all of the heroes on each other, they would be too busy weeding the false hero out and the demon god would likely engineer their deaths in the ensuing conflict. Basically, if the Demon God planned this, his goal is one of two: To kill them, or to stall them. Stalling them makes less sense, especially if he chose to use the barrier to do it, because while it's up, he can't move his fiends into the larger world. So the more likely motivation is their deaths. Given his failure, so far, to win in a direct confrontation with the heroes - even after ambushing them - it may have occurred to him to make them kill themselves. Anyway, just typing "out loud". Excited to see where this goes! |
Aug 25, 2015 1:28 AM
#244
CookingPriest said: CrowleYo said: it's interesting how some people free certain characters of doubt based on "he/she had plenty of chances to kill him/her, they can't be the 7th!" who did ever say that the 7ths goal is to kill the braves one by one? 7ths motives are still unknown to us. so far my guess is, they're tryna buy time. if that's the case, hans (my fav QQ) is most suspicious atm To go even further, we do not even know if 7th even KNOWS he is 7th, if Adlet thinking that there's another person in the barrier doing shit behind the scenes, is correct. If his theory is correct, then all that is needed is for seventh to BE there. that actually crossed my mind as well |
Aug 25, 2015 3:00 AM
#245
Old_Raven said: How she could enter without a key, place the sword in the dais, and recite the chant, no goddamn clue, but Maura couldn't have done it either. why couldn't she? you don't know how Nashetania does it, not mora either, so why do you trust mora and not Nashetania? because Nashetania looks guilty? Old_Raven said: ttcchen said: Forgetfulness said: Although interesting, I don't think the "Nashetaniya can control swords so she's suspicious" argument has any weight because you have to move the blade as well as say "Rise, fog" or whatever. So unless she also has some power to speak in another location, that's not enough abilities to activate the barrier. Not true, she controlled the blade she had placed in Adlet's prison-pit. It's because that was a blade she had conjured. It's not just a random blade in Adlet's cell. Nashetania conjured it and placed it in there. So it's one of her own. If you compare it with her other blades, you'll realize that they looked exactly the same. Kinshou21 said: But I'm still not sure that is the case, since there's still a lot of unknowns, including how that fiend that morphed into an injured priestess was within the anti-fiend barrier. wait, it was? Wasn't it behind the salt pillars, not inside? sachi_shimazu said: I was honestly scared when Hans 'killed' Adlet. No, he don't know any magic. What he did was a psychological attack. Basically, if a person believes he is going to die, he will see himself dying, or feel the death effect when he is actually uninjured. For example, it's the same as, someone tell you that in the soup you just ate was a dead fly. Even if there weren't any, you'd still feel like puking. That's exactly what Hans did. He made Adlet think he's going to die, and Adlet "died". By the way, an experiment had been done in Netherland in the 19th century. A subject was told that if 30% of their blood is lost they will die. Then, while unable to see below their neck, a toy knife was used to give the subject a feeling of his wrist being cut open. Fake blood was also used to make the subject think their blood is leaking. Then the experimenter said "30% of your blood is almost gone." And right after that, the subject died with a horrified look, because they falsely believed they were gonna die, and resultedly they actually died. You can search it up if you're interested. |
ramenystAug 25, 2015 3:26 AM
Aug 25, 2015 3:32 AM
#246
1)If mora was the one that would mean hans was in it as well considering its her alibi i think.So you would have 1 brave which was chosen by the godess siding with the demon king.In previous episode threads we talked about this and some people mentioned being strong is not enuf for brave mark you also need the will to fight the demon king or sth like this.So that way it cant be Mora. 2)Also there is the problem with the guards.If the door is forced open it was mentioned that the guards attack the first person inside and keep the name on their bodies so Mora's name would be on them. 3) If she was inside how did she get out?There is only 1 way in and out to the altar...so if it was mora she would need stealth ability or something to pull it off. |
Aug 25, 2015 4:25 AM
#247
Inugirlz said: If he was the 7th and he was already outted as the 7th after he took Fremy hostage and escaped with her he could have killed her or at least poisoned her or something since he uses secret weapons. The 7th's ultimate goal isn't really stated but I would think the 7th snuck in to do as much damage as possible (presumedly before kicking the bucket because how optimistic could they really be to think they could get rid of ALL the heroes AND survive at the same time. He was heavily wound by Hans attack just before he left remember? It took all his strength to just escape, before collapsing. Fremy could have just left on her own after that since he would be too weak to do anything. In fact this what Fremy told them happened. So no that isn't proof of anything. Personally I don't think the reason why Mora believes Adlet to be completely guilty is fair. If he was really guilty he wouldn't just take Fremy as a hostage, he would have just killed her. He had enough time to stick a needle into her to put her to sleep, he could have just slit her throat, especially considering she was more trusting of him. For the 7th, the whole point is the lessen the amount of heroes. Mora isn't being fair. He needed to take a hostage to escape that sitation. What are taking about? Taking hostages it last thing a person in his position should do. That not only sign of desperation, but it not something a hero does. But Adlet is person constantly does what most heroes wouldn't do with what makes people distrust him to begin with. Besides he not suspect of being the 7th because he kidnapped Fremy, that just add to everyone else suspicions. He is considered the most likely suspect as the 7th because based on current information he only one who entered the Temple and activated the barrier. The hostage situation only just made his position worse. The better question is based on they know why shouldn't anyone in-verse come to conclusion about him being the 7th? In fact if Adlet was the 7th and Hans had never found out about the door being imbued by the Saint of Seals magic and Adlet would have gotten away with his scheme because no one could suspect him then. We the audience know he isn't, but if we weren't in his POV all the time and if he wasn't the MC that would be a different story. |
Iron_MawAug 25, 2015 4:30 AM
Aug 25, 2015 5:08 AM
#248
Kinshou21 said: My favorite theory, though, is that none of them are the seventh, or, rather, they were all correctly chosen. An unforeseen force - maybe the demon god himself - planned this all out. Having the barrier up doesn't completely help his plan - it blocks his personal advance - but if he could turn all of the heroes on each other, they would be too busy weeding the false hero out and the demon god would likely engineer their deaths in the ensuing conflict. Basically, if the Demon God planned this, his goal is one of two: To kill them, or to stall them. Stalling them makes less sense, especially if he chose to use the barrier to do it, because while it's up, he can't move his fiends into the larger world. So the more likely motivation is their deaths. Given his failure, so far, to win in a direct confrontation with the heroes - even after ambushing them - it may have occurred to him to make them kill themselves. Anyway, just typing "out loud". Excited to see where this goes! Stalling the heroes is a valid tactic, as it will take some time for demon god to awaken fully and become ready to take over the world. Once he awakens, he has a good chance of winning against the heroes (he was defeated by the Saint of the Single Flower, so the heroes still have a chance and they will try it if they don't make it in time to defeat the demon god before he awakens, but that would put them at a huge disadvantage), so just stalling them in a barrier for a month is good enough. Still, getting the heroes to fight each other instead of finding ways to dispel the barrier is a huge bonus. |
Aug 25, 2015 6:01 AM
#249
ttcchen said: sachi_shimazu said: I was honestly scared when Hans 'killed' Adlet. No, he don't know any magic. What he did was a psychological attack. Basically, if a person believes he is going to die, he will see himself dying, or feel the death effect when he is actually uninjured. For example, it's the same as, someone tell you that in the soup you just ate was a dead fly. Even if there weren't any, you'd still feel like puking. That's exactly what Hans did. He made Adlet think he's going to die, and Adlet "died". By the way, an experiment had been done in Netherland in the 19th century. A subject was told that if 30% of their blood is lost they will die. Then, while unable to see below their neck, a toy knife was used to give the subject a feeling of his wrist being cut open. Fake blood was also used to make the subject think their blood is leaking. Then the experimenter said "30% of your blood is almost gone." And right after that, the subject died with a horrified look, because they falsely believed they were gonna die, and resultedly they actually died. You can search it up if you're interested. Okay, I guess that makes sense. Still, it woulda been cool if Hans had some epic illusion powers. And i have some friends who I think would be disturbingly interested in that experiment. |
Aug 25, 2015 10:17 AM
#250
Mannn, Chamot what are you planning? Adlet was about to solve the mystery. |
The world shall know the truth soon. |
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