Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
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May 28, 2015 9:53 AM
#251
Sorry, but I simply can't like Shuuichi. He is boring as fuck. In fact, I'm somewhat happy that he rejected Hazuki, I didn't see them as a couple from the start (I hope that she gets over it though). Midori is too cute for my soul, I'm starting to understand K-ON! fans. |
May 28, 2015 9:54 AM
#252
rederoin said: bastek66 said: rederoin said: bastek66 said: Guys, really don't get your hopes. Anime will adapt only 1st book out of 4. There won't be any romantic conclusion in this season and I doubt there will be sequel(s). Expect typical open ending with read the books for more. Kumiko and Shuuichi hooks up in last book Everybody should know by now that any kyoani owned works is not going to faithfully adapt they novels, any spoilers are pointless. Wrong. It's not Kyoani LN like Chuu2koi or Kyoukai. They only bought rights to animate it. Episode and whole adaptation is very faithful anyway. And Hibike belongs to Kyoani, so its in the same boat. And no, i'm not going to believe random people on the internet as to whether its faithful or not. I doesn't belong to them. They aren't publishers of novel. Also story was faithful so far so they won't change it suddenly. Calm your tits. |
May 28, 2015 11:30 AM
#253
Whoa this has to be one of the best KyoAni episodes in years! Also Kousaka is breathtaking, I love everything about her. :) |
May 28, 2015 11:53 AM
#254
I love Yuri and I love this episode. But come on people, calm down. This show isn't about Yuri nor the main plot is about Love. This is just a character development that lean toward a bond between two girls who surprisingly just found themselves fit one another. The Love in here isn't about "making baby". Reina is a solitary person and people can't understand her nor she want to be part of them anyway. But then she finds Kumiko to be the person who can understand her and the person who she can share her story with. For a person who have lived in a solitary life until now, in a sense, this is Love. |
May 28, 2015 11:59 AM
#255
Evilest yuribait in history has fans in a heated argument... Seriously though. Given the studio's track history and the fact that Kousaka has the hots for the sensei and confesses to him by the end |
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May 28, 2015 1:00 PM
#256
I dropped this show after watching episode 4. Has it gone full lesbian yet? |
May 28, 2015 1:22 PM
#257
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I know it's a lost battle as those idiots incapable of understanding the first time still won't understand it even if it's spammed in their faces, and a**holes who ignore it will continue to ignore it. Nonetheless, I feel like a reminder is due. |
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May 28, 2015 2:13 PM
#259
man, the last posts has been a frenzy XD |
May 28, 2015 2:20 PM
#260
What's with all the stupid spoilers. The anime is changing things. I've read several times that a lot of Shuichi was cut in the anime, making him a side character with barely any importance. So if suddenly Kumiko starts liking the boring guy just because it happens in the novel even though, both anime and novel are differen and until now, Kumiko hasnt show interest in him (actually the opposite) you would find it ok? That would only be bad writting and would just ruin Kumiko's character. Why cant people understand this is THE ANIME. And the story has to flow according to what THE ANIME shows. |
May 28, 2015 2:21 PM
#261
straggy said: Imeon said: Homophobes, LOL, that's the third times. So funny still. If three people called you a homophobe in the space of just a few days then you shouldn't be laughing, you should be stepping back and looking at why you're getting called that. You're obviously doing something homophobic, especially since some of the people (I know this for definite, since I'm one of them) that said it aren't straight. XD L-Ryoshi said: Imeon said: L-Ryoshi said: Imeon said: Ajunky said: Imeon said: I see, you don't know the novels, that makes it clear then...Ajunky said: Imeon said: Either that's a spoiler, or a seriously derogatory assumption.She's telling Kumiko how she's drawn to Kumiko because of her personality and how she wanted to be special trumpet player. Why? Because of sensei. Spoiler? Hah! Did I said sometime that is true? Lucky me! Derogatory? You shipper are the ones guilty of it. Labeling anime girls as lesbians out of subtext and without CONCRETE BASIS. You talk about concrete basis and yet state own assumptions as facts. You really can't see how much of an imbecile you are, can you? But of course, it's impossible for a girl to have a goal of her own, it has all gotta be about impressing a strong man... Reina defended the teacher? then of course she is in love with him, what else could it be? admiration? recognition of someone who is as passionate about music as she is? nah... She is later seen practicing hard? it's cause she want him to notice her. Before she only played the trumpet to kill time, now she has a real reason >_> (In case it isn't clear, this paragraph is ridden with sarcasm) And so, you accuse others of projecting their own bias... Is your proposition that finding a fallacy in someone else's argument makes yours true by default? Does it exclude you of presenting you own CONCRETE BASIS? BTW, I only recognize a tease this episode, courtesy of the director. I'm not giving any definite label to anyone in the story. To begin with, I think the Reina x Kumiko ship is doomed to sink, regardless of how sweet that pair could be. Though that thought comes more from anime statistics rather than an analysis of the narration. As far as the latter goes, I would think it could still go in several ways. Anyway, that your diminutive brain can't distinguish between those who don't share your opinion and are forced to treat them as a single entity, it's not my problem. But you would do well trying not to group us all together. Hayst, thank God the internet's back. Woah, somebody is accusing me of being homophobic again. Sorry, but for your disappointment, well, no, of course. I been watching and reading a couple of yuri anime and manga, for a long time that's why I confident of my judgement. By the way, why are they yuri? BECAUSE THEY ARE TAGGED AS YURI in the first place. I'm not a novel reader yet I claim that I have CONCRETE FACTS? HOW? Let's see. I'll ask you something. How did one knew that Sakura Trick is Yuri? How did we knew that Akuma no Riddle is yuri? How are yuri anime became known as yuri in the first place? You telling me that you don't ask yourself if something you are to read or watch is about yuri or not? Let's check the genre of the original sources and compare it with the anime: They're both, slice-of-life, comedy and Musical. Oops I don't see yuri or shoujo-ai there. Get real! That is the concrete basis I'm talking about. You can hope that the tags will change but I doubt it will ever change, since this is Kyoani. ITS JUST BAIT. I have yuri goggles myself but I don't trust it when used in non-yuri anime. It'll only break your heart and left you bitter. Case close. Sorry to intrude on your little conflict, but to be perfectly straightforward: please state your proof. Where exactly is your source of information from? All I've seen is the listing of a few well-known Yuri/Shoujo-Ai titles and a bunch of bull about why tags are tagged as such. The fact that you seem to live and die by tags is a fatal flaw in itself. Tags were made and set by whom? And since when was it stated that a show without a certain tag would not also have elements that are outside of it's tags? First off, please state your sources of information, because no matter how you argue, if you cannot back it up, then you won't be convincing anyone but yourself. In the MAL pages, Sakura Trick is listed as Yuri, but Akuma is listed as Shoujo-Ai. That in itself is a world of difference. To quote Wikipedia: "Western fans coined the term shōjo-ai to describe yuri without explicit sex. In Japan, the term shōjo-ai (少女愛?, lit. girl love) is not used with this meaning, and instead tends to denote pedophilia (actual or perceived), with a similar meaning to the term lolicon (Lolita complex)." Looking up Wikipedia, both titles are listed as Yuri. However, considering that both sources (MAL and Wiki) can both be subject to editing by literally anyone with access to them, those tags could change at the drop of a hat. So just how reliable are they to be considered? Hence I ask again, what exactly is your source? Secondly, if you check the Yuri section under Wikipedia, they have two sets of lists, namely one with Yuri as a central element, and one with Yuri as a secondary element. Now just for fun I went to the secondary list and picked out several titles which I distinctly remember as having Yuri or hints of "Shoujo-ai" in them. The genre which they are listed under their individual pages don't even mention Yuri or Shoujo-Ai. Let me list some examples: Saki, practically an all girls cast with so much blushing and sighing that I don't know where to turn to at times : Listed under "Sport" and nothing else (Even it's Japanese page as well) Sabagebu, a show where the Mains are all girls and where one girl is explicitly trying to molest the MC at every turn: Listed under "Comedy, Military (Airsoft), Slice of life" Cross Ange, where we have girls getting it on together, in pairs, in threes, and in whatever other combinations that you can think of, in the bath, in bed, wherever: Listed under just "Mecha" (Robot and Fantasy in Japanese) What does this tell us? Tags aren't everything. There are plenty of titles have Yuri elements and don't have the Yuri or Shoujo-Ai tag, it doesn't mean that the elements aren't there. Hibike was tagged specifically for the main elements that revolves around it, that being, as you stated yourself: Slice-of-life, Comedy and Musical (there's more than two by the way). Does this mean that this show doesn't have romance? Does this mean this show may or may not have other elements not mentioned under those stated tags? You've been questioned or accused thrice in this thread alone as being homophobic, does that mean you fit the "tag"? You yourself deny it though. Tags were made to allow ease of categorization, but ultimately tags were devised by people, and people all have different views and interpretations regarding even the same "tags". Friendly word of advice, you really shouldn't confine yourself and your argument to just "Tags = the law", because that in itself is a fundamentally flawed concept. Hayst, here we go again, just when I'm just finished saying I'll comment again after episode 9. What proof do you want? A source that say's not all tags are true? well, if I can't, then can you proof to me if tagging can be always be wrong? I never watched the other's that are not yuri except Ange. Ange is one of my favorite so let's talk more about that. As far as I know that you hated Tusk more tha anyone else in the series and dismayed of what happened, Ange is never yuri. You don't need to teach me regarding yuri/shoujo=-ai as primary and secondary element etc, I knew already. Smart-kun Ange was not tagged yuri coz the yuri only involves around the side characters. So it's rightfully tagged as not yuri. When I talked about tags, it talks about the anime as a whole so quit using Ange maybe Saki as part of the argument. It's yuri if the MCs are into yuri. If not, then it's not. Simple as that I'm not fond of using long lines and paragraph to prove something. I rely on common sense, based on what I see and how I analyze it. Yuri in this is all subtext that can't even be proven. As far I know and heard, it'll never be what you think it would be, same as you have done in Ange back then. HAhahah. Let's just wait for the last episode ok? Because we both might look like idiots after all the logical defense we did and in the end , it did not go as we wanted it. Hehehe.. like what happened in Ange.. ahahahha. Let's quite this talk, and wait. coz episode 9 will be far more interesting.. IMHO. Smart-kun. Again episode 9.... next week. Woah...... someone really needs to learn reading, comprehension AND logical thinking. Go back and read what I said in my previous post. I picked up examples and sources from both wiki and MAL to back up my argument that even different sites, who have different people writing their articles for them, have different criteria for judging the same subject (in this case, an anime). My point was and still is that you cannot base your argument of what an anime does or does not have simply based on tags, and that a tag for an anime does not mean it does not have any other elements and genres which were not tagged along with it. You have been basing your arguments on the fact that "because it isn't tagged in the source (which you have yet to even provide to us here), thus it absolutely cannot have said element (in this case, the possibility of yuri) in the show. I simply pointed out to you that your argument is fatally flawed, kind of short-sighted, and I forgot to add quite subjective on your part. You say you use common sense to analyze a show, and yet you fail time and again to elaborate and further your "common sense". Going back to Ange, the example I used. IF you actually read and understood anything that I wrote in that anime's forum, you would understand my disdain for the male lead wasn't because I appreciated Yuri more than other genres. Nope, my issue with the show is that they utilized such a weak, useless male character who lacked development, was nothing short of a comedic train wreck who only knew how to trip and faceplant upon the female lead's conveniently naked crotch every three or four episodes, and took an unbelievable amount of inexplicable ass-pulls on the part of the director just to come back alive in the last two episodes "For Plots Sake". Essentially the beta whom you call Tusk was a detriment to the entire show, which was seriously awesome up until the point where he showed up. As for the Yuri, which you keep on denying. There were so many blatant elements of girl-on-girl and girl-with-girl action in Cross Ange, I'm amazed how oblivious you seem to STILL be to it. The female lead was caught in compromising situations with other female characters numerous times, and in some instances initiated it. And yet you are denying what was probably 60% of the show on the basis that "In the end it was the beta male who got with the kickass female lead"? I can despair at your tunnel vision. Considering the fact that Ange was tagged as Mecha, your "common sense" dictates that you deny every other genre which was in the show (including the Tragedy, the action, the fantasy, and I guess what ended up as a half-assed romance). To put it in simple terms for you to understand "That's pretty fucked up, man." By the same argument, you placed Akuma no Riddle in the Yuri pile. Yet considering how the two main leads did nothing Yuri-like, and that all the "Yuri" tendencies and moments were dictated by the supporting characters (a point which you deny as having anything to do with the tag). That doesn't hold up to your analysis basis, bar the fact that you are saying it is so simply because there's a Tag there that states it is so. You state that both MC's have to be into Yuri for a show to be Yuri, and yet for Akuma no Riddle, neither MC was into the other like so. Neither Haru nor Tokaku were into one another in "That way". Tokaku viewed Haru as her purpose for survival (to protect her), and Haru's view was pretty much the same. They were intimately close to one another, but they weren't intimate WITH one another. In fact I would put their relationship on a similar level to the one Kumiko and Reina are developing. Then again, you would first have to state your personal definition of Yuri first before any comparisons could be made, now wouldn't you? And why the heck should I have to wait till next episode for anything? First of all, I'm not shipping anyone. In fact I stated my view pretty early on that this shipping stuff is ridiculous and I'm quite opposed to it. Secondly, what would next episode, or heck even the end of this series, prove? Frankly, I don't give two damns about whether the romance elements are going to develop in one direction or the other. I don't mind Yuri, and I'm not opposed to decent male leads who can actually act like a proper male lead. Those two things aren't what I'm watching this show for anyway. As such, whatever happens next episode, there's nothing I can be right or wrong about, because IF you actually read and understood what I was saying the first time around, I don't have an opinion on pointless "ships". What I don't like about what's been happening in this forum, is the fact that people like you are creating a hostile, insulting and toxic atmosphere for the rest of us who simply want to enjoy the show as it was billed, and in your case "Tagged", to be: The Drama, Music and School elements. And no, Drama doesn't always equate to Romance (specifically since it wasn't "Tagged" like you so adamantly stick to). Frankly speaking, I like this show a lot for what it was "Tagged" to be, and I think it deserves more respect than to become some toxic "Shipping Battle" arena that you seem to be promoting. Friendly word of advice: Learn to read, comprehend and actually analyze objectively and with an open mind, rather than spewing out mindless, trolling insults and acting like a turd. Being polite may actually take you places. I could probably write up a mildly insulting post, but I really can't be bothered. Have a nice day. XD Let's just wait again in the last episode dude, if your logical think is correct, then rage with the plot afterwards. Ajunky said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I know it's a lost battle as those idiots incapable of understanding the first time still won't understand it even if it's spammed in their faces, and a**holes who ignore it will continue to ignore it. Nonetheless, I feel like a reminder is due. XD |
RPSB9May 28, 2015 2:41 PM
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May 28, 2015 2:33 PM
#262
Jeez, i've seen people saying that this is faithful to the novel and some who say that they changed things. Can't trust anyone in here. :P But hey, KyoAni did it again, they and Hibike! are one of the hot topics of this season again, it seems. |
May 28, 2015 2:37 PM
#263
Bewitching. And quite profound. Being complimented for having a bad personality is rather awesome. A really atmospheric episode, loved it. |
May 28, 2015 2:45 PM
#264
ooo333 said: Hatzuki was very very adorable this episode. With her bursts when they talked about Suichi. From wearing a skirt for the first time outside her uniform. She put everything on the line this episode. I just cant believe Suichi rejected her. She was rushing too much. She could have ask him if what Kumiko is for him then confess right after. |
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May 28, 2015 4:58 PM
#265
Imeon said: I think it is just the type of character she is. Even if she was to follow thing step by step, Suichi isn't going to change his mind either way.ooo333 said: Hatzuki was very very adorable this episode. With her bursts when they talked about Suichi. From wearing a skirt for the first time outside her uniform. She put everything on the line this episode. I just cant believe Suichi rejected her. She was rushing too much. She could have ask him if what Kumiko is for him then confess right after. |
May 28, 2015 5:41 PM
#266
Fantastic episode, especially the ending duet. Loved the animation, and confession scene. |
May 28, 2015 5:51 PM
#267
The yuri ship is too powerful. I really do enjoy the interactions between Kumiko and Kousaka, Was quite surprised Hazuki did all that in a single episode, shows tend to drag it out and go into some drama triangle. Glad it didn't. |
May 28, 2015 5:53 PM
#268
was not expecting yuri... but that was a lovely duet. favorite episode so far. |
May 28, 2015 7:19 PM
#269
The only thing i could think the entire episode was OH.MY. GODDDDDD All the Kumiko/Kousaka was 100% perfect. And that duet at the end, I cant possibly ship them more now. Other than that it so pleasant to watch. KyoAni you are winning in visuals. Im glad they dont abuse the chromatic aberration as much as first episodes. |
May 28, 2015 7:55 PM
#270
I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. "Life doesn't simply change when you move to a new school; it doesn't change because you are now in high school; it doesn't change even if you change your hairdo, or put on your skirts a bit higher than you used to or wish you had a slightly more attractive bosom. Kumiko starts to understand these simple things one by one and then she starts to realize that she has already started anew, with new friends, in a new club. But it simply wasn't enough. She needed a spark in her life. That spark turns out to be a rather reserved yet beautiful girl in the shape of Reina. Unaware of the fact that she is attracted towards Reina as she seeks for her company because Reina, in her eyes, probably possesses everything she ever yearned for. But then when she gets to know her more, and she realizes that Reina perhaps seeks her company as badly as she seeks hers, Kumiko begins to see herself as someone worthy of having a meaning just by existing. Probably that helps her to see herself in a new light. And everything that seemed dull, suddenly starts to look vivid. Reina gives the much needed spark for Kumiko and nothing plays a bigger role than their meeting that makes Kumiko realize that deep down, she always liked the boy who called her ugly." |
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May 28, 2015 9:29 PM
#271
shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. "Life doesn't simply change when you move to a new school; it doesn't change because you are now in high school; it doesn't change even if you change your hairdo, or put on your skirts a bit higher than you used to or wish you had a slightly more attractive bosom. Kumiko starts to understand these simple things one by one and then she starts to realize that she has already started anew, with new friends, in a new club. But it simply wasn't enough. She needed a spark in her life. That spark turns out to be a rather reserved yet beautiful girl in the shape of Reina. Unaware of the fact that she is attracted towards Reina as she seeks for her company because Reina, in her eyes, probably possesses everything she ever yearned for. But then when she gets to know her more, and she realizes that Reina perhaps seeks her company as badly as she seeks hers, Kumiko begins to see herself as someone worthy of having a meaning just by existing. Probably that helps her to see herself in a new light. And everything that seemed dull, suddenly starts to look vivid. Reina gives the much needed spark for Kumiko and nothing plays a bigger role than their meeting that makes Kumiko realize that deep down, she always liked the boy who called her ugly." Shuichi got Hazuki as a wingman and Kumiko got R**** for hers. |
RPSB9May 28, 2015 9:32 PM
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May 28, 2015 9:47 PM
#272
shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. "Life doesn't simply change when you move to a new school; it doesn't change because you are now in high school; it doesn't change even if you change your hairdo, or put on your skirts a bit higher than you used to or wish you had a slightly more attractive bosom. Kumiko starts to understand these simple things one by one and then she starts to realize that she has already started anew, with new friends, in a new club. But it simply wasn't enough. She needed a spark in her life. That spark turns out to be a rather reserved yet beautiful girl in the shape of Reina. Unaware of the fact that she is attracted towards Reina as she seeks for her company because Reina, in her eyes, probably possesses everything she ever yearned for. But then when she gets to know her more, and she realizes that Reina perhaps seeks her company as badly as she seeks hers, Kumiko begins to see herself as someone worthy of having a meaning just by existing. Probably that helps her to see herself in a new light. And everything that seemed dull, suddenly starts to look vivid. Reina gives the much needed spark for Kumiko and nothing plays a bigger role than their meeting that makes Kumiko realize that deep down, she always liked the boy who called her ugly." Sooo. Basically what you're saying is Kumiko realizes her own self-worth thanks to Kousaka then realizes *gasp* that she likes her childhood friend instead. I don't understand. |
May 28, 2015 9:53 PM
#273
-Truna- said: Sooo. Basically what you're saying is Kumiko realizes her own self-worth thanks to Kousaka then realizes *gasp* that she likes her childhood friend instead. I don't understand. A lot could have happened in the novel. It could have given Kousaka the idea that Kumiko have always liked Shuichi. Kumiko didn't noticed it since they're been very "close". eg in Tamako. |
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May 29, 2015 3:24 AM
#274
ooo333 said: ^ In Tamako Market, I was shipping the male neighbor with Midori >__> So you still shipping the female MC with Suichi? Many were shipping Midori with Tamako while you trying to ship Mochi with her? Wow! Yes, I still ship, coz it's a soild ship. |
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May 29, 2015 5:17 AM
#275
I'm just here to say that MAL tags don't mean anything. This apparently isn't yuri either. The manga ends with the premise of the two main girls marrying and getting science babies. Anyways, I think yuri shippers should keep their expectations low but it's not like there is no chance for a happy ending, or at least an ambiguous one which is probably the best we can hope for. It wouldn't be the first time KyoAni changed the original source. In the Chuuni LN, Nibutani joined Yuuta's harem and Dekomori didn't even exist. And now those two share KyoAni's like only kiss ever. Don't know if it was said here already but their duet was called "The Place we Found Love" or something like that. Gay. |
May 29, 2015 10:27 AM
#276
Reina is really interesting, I didn't like her much at first but she has really grown on me with the unique way that she acts and speaks. I think it was heavily implied that Reina likes Kumiko in a romantic way. Besides the things she said: - she smiled to herself when Kumiko said she was not thinking about Shuuichi - the way she moved her finger down to Kumiko's lips Though it doesn't necessarily mean that anything more will happen in future, could well just be misleading like others have said. |
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May 29, 2015 12:10 PM
#277
May 29, 2015 2:15 PM
#278
Wow...this week, this anime jumped about 500 places in ranking and it's not hard to understand why. I absolutely loved this episode. Reina looked gorgeous! Her speech, her talk with Kumiko, them geting together as they once did. It was just perfect. The shoujo-ai hints are just hints (i think) and their relationship will not be a loving one but a big friendship that I think it grew a lot stronger "today". Hazuki getting her hopes shreded was kind of sad but Suichi really likes Kumiko. This is going to be extremely interesting. :) |
May 29, 2015 4:10 PM
#279
I really wasn't enjoying this anime but this episode was fantastic in every single way |
May 29, 2015 10:19 PM
#280
I wish KyoAni would actually go through with a shoujo ai romance. But alas... |
May 29, 2015 10:25 PM
#281
mwsmws22 said: I wish KyoAni would actually go through with a shoujo ai romance. But alas... If they can give us more screen-scrolls like this, then I am all game for an anime original ending. I mean Reina is probably the most beautiful girl KyoAni has ever animated. |
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May 30, 2015 12:31 AM
#282
shanimebib said: mwsmws22 said: I wish KyoAni would actually go through with a shoujo ai romance. But alas... If they can give us more screen-scrolls like this, then I am all game for an anime original ending. I mean Reina is probably the most beautiful girl KyoAni has ever animated. Probably if they still did not draw the next episodes and decided to listen to the cries and flipped the original 360 degrees. |
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May 30, 2015 1:52 AM
#283
I feel like what makes this an authentic portrayal of lesbian relationship as opposed to a yuri show's portrayal - which fantasizes it - is having the inclusion of a male character who shows interest in Kumiko. This provides a contrast between Kumiko's apathy with guys (shuichi and obliviousness taki sensei's attractiveness as pointed out by Hazuki) and her flustered interactions with Reina. This setting places her in a realistic world in which guys are going to show interest in her, and allows her confront her sexual preference and the confusion of that identity. Being a teenager and seeing that everyone she knows has an attraction toward the opposite gender, it's a challenging task to understand yourself. I feel like this sort of depiction is something we would actually see in real life. What makes those two an interesting pair is that Kumiko is a very apathetic person that has potential to embrace a passion of hers, which we get to see more and more of as she becomes more committed to her practice. Whereas Reina is very adamant and confident in her goal to be special and chase her passion since the beginning. Reina sees glimpses of her in Kumiko and wants to peel back kumiko's facade and have kumiko embrace herself. What I would like to see more of is what was catalyst that made the difference for Kumiko to become more passionate about life and concert band between elementary and highschool. Asuka is also an interesting character that's more than meets the eyes. There have been hints of her being disinterested in other people such as rejecting leadership to lead others and detaches herself from others with her self-absorbed attitude such as her sitting far from the rest of the group during their section practices. She's in it for herself and uses the concert band to better herself in the euphonium. Her delegation as the comedic relief provides more about her personality than just that. Perhaps she is unable to bring herself to be serious with others because she fears emotional commitment to others. Ultimately this show is kind of like a character study, that delivers on a variety themes such as what motivates people, whether it be reward or passion or camaraderie. The writing of the plot isn't the deepest or most intricate and the characters aren't the richest, but it is the storytelling/directing by KyotoAni that allows this show to truly shine. For what they've been given they have articulated it as beautifully and as eloquently as possible. The convincing realism that's shown through the attention to detail of the body language, the shot framing, the setting/set pieces. The atmosphere of a dynamic living breathing world inhabited by side characters that can all stand on their own and NOT having the setting confined to the insular bubble of a main cast inhabiting a 4 person club that's common in your typical "cute girl doing cute things" club show. The ability to dodge tropes by giving these "moe" girls the audacity to talk about romantic relationships and to confess/reject without dragging things out in standard anime fashion. These are all qualities that makes this show stand above the rest in this genre and honestly has revolutionized the club show genre somewhat in my opinion. The directing is probably as good if not better than Hyouka, and this is probably kyotoani best produced show to date. |
May 30, 2015 4:08 AM
#284
May 30, 2015 4:49 AM
#285
Kousaka looks absolutely and positively other wordly beautiful in this episode. KyoAni can make characters look like a million bucks the way few other studios can. Having said that...why Kumiko? She's just so plain in every way possible. Reina could have a special relationship with so many people. Let's see where this goes though. I think at the end, this is all about the music. |
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May 30, 2015 6:49 AM
#286
Imeon said: shanimebib said: mwsmws22 said: I wish KyoAni would actually go through with a shoujo ai romance. But alas... If they can give us more screen-scrolls like this, then I am all game for an anime original ending. I mean Reina is probably the most beautiful girl KyoAni has ever animated. Probably if they still did not draw the next episodes and decided to listen to the cries and flipped the original 360 degrees. Ahmm... If you do a 360 degrees, you end up with the original. I think you intended to say 180 degrees instead. Regardless, now that I know which ship sunk and which ship reached the shore, any degrees our Captain KyoAni decides to steer the ship is fine by me. I am more or less always prepared and ready to board any ship which has Captain KyoAni in command. ;) |
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May 30, 2015 7:26 AM
#287
I haven't been the biggest fan of this show, but this episode was breath taking, and I definitely see how they could go the Yuri route with this, it was so gay... Feel bad for Hazuki though. But seeing mini Sapphire made my day! |
May 30, 2015 7:53 AM
#288
shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. "Life doesn't simply change when you move to a new school; it doesn't change because you are now in high school; it doesn't change even if you change your hairdo, or put on your skirts a bit higher than you used to or wish you had a slightly more attractive bosom. Kumiko starts to understand these simple things one by one and then she starts to realize that she has already started anew, with new friends, in a new club. But it simply wasn't enough. She needed a spark in her life. That spark turns out to be a rather reserved yet beautiful girl in the shape of Reina. Unaware of the fact that she is attracted towards Reina as she seeks for her company because Reina, in her eyes, probably possesses everything she ever yearned for. But then when she gets to know her more, and she realizes that Reina perhaps seeks her company as badly as she seeks hers, Kumiko begins to see herself as someone worthy of having a meaning just by existing. Probably that helps her to see herself in a new light. And everything that seemed dull, suddenly starts to look vivid. Reina gives the much needed spark for Kumiko and nothing plays a bigger role than their meeting that makes Kumiko realize that deep down, she always liked the boy who called her ugly." Does this mean that something will happen between Shuuichi and Kumiko in the novels? A confession or something? |
May 30, 2015 12:10 PM
#289
So it takes 8 episodes for KyoAni to the romance department. omg Reina in that white dress soooo beautiful! Be strong Hazuki be strong! Shuuichi likes Kumiko but Kumiko is confused because of Reina. Midori was crazy at the school because she is so enthusiastic about relationship talkings! even Hazuki wants to shut her mouth...haha! And Midori's little sister Kohaku is so cute also! OMG! well done for the ReinaxKumiko moments between the two of them! Gotou already goin' out with Riko Nagase? and I thought the parings for Gotou is Midori huh? 5/5. |
May 30, 2015 12:12 PM
#290
Wow this episode was awesome, the best so far. Kousaka Reina is so beautiful and interesting, I am looking forward to watch the Yuri between them ! |
May 30, 2015 1:53 PM
#291
shanimebib said: Imeon said: shanimebib said: mwsmws22 said: I wish KyoAni would actually go through with a shoujo ai romance. But alas... If they can give us more screen-scrolls like this, then I am all game for an anime original ending. I mean Reina is probably the most beautiful girl KyoAni has ever animated. Probably if they still did not draw the next episodes and decided to listen to the cries and flipped the original 360 degrees. Ahmm... If you do a 360 degrees, you end up with the original. I think you intended to say 180 degrees instead. Regardless, now that I know which ship sunk and which ship reached the shore, any degrees our Captain KyoAni decides to steer the ship is fine by me. I am more or less always prepared and ready to board any ship which has Captain KyoAni in command. ;) Ahhaha, silly me. Thanks! Anyway.. I'm with you together with Captain Kyoani, but I'll keep the original map and the stirring wheel though. |
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May 30, 2015 3:49 PM
#292
HatsumiShinogu said: shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. Does this mean that something will happen between Shuuichi and Kumiko in the novels? A confession or something? From what I read from legitimate sources that Shuuchi decides to confess to Kumiko only to keep it with him in the final moment. Being almost confessed to, yet not actually being confessed to — Kumiko wasn't prepared for something like that. If she was actually confessed to, she might have gone to reject Shuuichi there and then or cast it aside as a mere joke. But we will never know that. Not being confessed to actually made her realize that she has been in denial of the fact that his feelings for her was something never one-sided, something not unwanted. Later, Shuuichi gives Kumiko a hairpin as a gift and she decides to wear it. When she was asked about the hairpin, she didn't hesitate to say it was from her boyfriend even though she was not going out with Shuuichi. This was an indication that she saw him in a romantic way and would accept his feelings. And finally, the best part: Kumiko holding and pushing Shuuichi's shoulder downwards, making him lean towards her, she stands on her toes with her lips close to his ear and whispers "Atashi mo Shuuichi no koto suki da yo" — the very last line of the latest volume. |
shanimebibMay 30, 2015 3:55 PM
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May 30, 2015 6:09 PM
#293
shanimebib said: HatsumiShinogu said: shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. Does this mean that something will happen between Shuuichi and Kumiko in the novels? A confession or something? From what I read from legitimate sources that Shuuchi decides to confess to Kumiko only to keep it with him in the final moment. Being almost confessed to, yet not actually being confessed to — Kumiko wasn't prepared for something like that. If she was actually confessed to, she might have gone to reject Shuuichi there and then or cast it aside as a mere joke. But we will never know that. Not being confessed to actually made her realize that she has been in denial of the fact that his feelings for her was something never one-sided, something not unwanted. Later, Shuuichi gives Kumiko a hairpin as a gift and she decides to wear it. When she was asked about the hairpin, she didn't hesitate to say it was from her boyfriend even though she was not going out with Shuuichi. This was an indication that she saw him in a romantic way and would accept his feelings. And finally, the best part: Kumiko holding and pushing Shuuichi's shoulder downwards, making him lean towards her, she stands on her toes with her lips close to his ear and whispers "Atashi mo Shuuichi no koto suki da yo" — the very last line of the latest volume. real proof to shut up the fans of yuri The dream of yuri fans over. without Ange x Hilda or salia No Tamako and Midori without Reina and Kumiko which will be the pseudo double that yuri fans now invent |
santolagunaMay 30, 2015 7:08 PM
May 30, 2015 10:19 PM
#295
Wow, some people sure hate the possibility of a yuri romance around here. |
May 30, 2015 10:53 PM
#296
kenneh said: Wow, some people sure hate the possibility of a yuri romance around here. When Shoujo-ai and Yuri are not cited in the genre, this type of relationship ever happens to the main characters. Cross Ange and Tamako prove it. How has such a relationship involving the main character anime is clasificado with genre shoujo-ai or yuri. This anime has no such classification |
May 30, 2015 10:55 PM
#297
HatsumiShinogu said: shanimebib said: HatsumiShinogu said: shanimebib said: I was already somewhat spoiled in another forum and I know I can be a total douche sometimes but the lack of understanding for the need to use spoiler tags in this thread has been too much to take even for someone like me. Does this mean that something will happen between Shuuichi and Kumiko in the novels? A confession or something? From what I read from legitimate sources that Shuuchi decides to confess to Kumiko only to keep it with him in the final moment. Being almost confessed to, yet not actually being confessed to — Kumiko wasn't prepared for something like that. If she was actually confessed to, she might have gone to reject Shuuichi there and then or cast it aside as a mere joke. But we will never know that. Not being confessed to actually made her realize that she has been in denial of the fact that his feelings for her was something never one-sided, something not unwanted. Later, Shuuichi gives Kumiko a hairpin as a gift and she decides to wear it. When she was asked about the hairpin, she didn't hesitate to say it was from her boyfriend even though she was not going out with Shuuichi. This was an indication that she saw him in a romantic way and would accept his feelings. And finally, the best part: Kumiko holding and pushing Shuuichi's shoulder downwards, making him lean towards her, she stands on her toes with her lips close to his ear and whispers "Atashi mo Shuuichi no koto suki da yo" — the very last line of the latest volume. Thank you for the explanation. I'm so happy to finally know the real ending and I'm so satisfied with it. BTW, book 4 is the end, right? Otabana is the person you may want to thank, not me. :) As for Vol. 4 being the final volume, I don't think so. It is not listed as the final volume. Also, Reina is yet to clear Taki-sensei's misunderstanding, I think. That was a real confession from her which he presumed to had not realized, which makes me sad for her. We don't know whether it was just a misunderstanding or Taki-sensei decided to draw a line there for reasons more than one. And there is time for Euphonium to shine again as our four girls are yet to enjoy the remainder of their high school life. The anime actually did manage to deliver Reina's crush when she showed how she wouldn't let it slide if anyone were to ridicule Taki-sensei (interrupting the way she did when Shuuichi and Kumiko were talking about him — Episode 4). That was the first time in the anime we saw an expressive Reina (excluding flashbacks from middle school and playing the trumpet on her own). And when Kumiko put some good words about Taki-sensei (probably because she didn't want to make Reina angry), that was the first time she actually smiled (and perhaps the very moment she decided to become friends with Kumiko; it's a wonderful thing to be friends with someone who thinks highly of the things you like. — Episode 5 As for Kumiko, most of us decided to ignore the moment when Kumiko was on her toes when Hazuki decided to tell Kumiko that she likes Shuuichi Or the moment Kumiko wore a sad expression and tightened her grip on Reina's hand as she allowed Hazuki to take Shuuichi away from her. — Episode 8 |
shanimebibMay 30, 2015 11:00 PM
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May 31, 2015 12:00 AM
#298
Otabana is the person you may want to thank, not me. :) As for Vol. 4 being the final volume, I don't think so. It is not listed as the final volume. Also, Reina is yet to clear Taki-sensei's misunderstanding, I think. That was a real confession from her which he presumed to had not realized, which makes me sad for her. We don't know whether it was just a misunderstanding or Taki-sensei decided to draw a line there for reasons more than one. And there is time for Euphonium to shine again as our four girls are yet to enjoy the remainder of their high school life. The anime actually did manage to deliver Reina's crush when she showed how she wouldn't let it slide if anyone were to ridicule Taki-sensei (interrupting the way she did when Shuuichi and Kumiko were talking about him — Episode 4). That was the first time in the anime we saw an expressive Reina (excluding flashbacks from middle school and playing the trumpet on her own). And when Kumiko put some good words about Taki-sensei (probably because she didn't want to make Reina angry), that was the first time she actually smiled (and perhaps the very moment she decided to become friends with Kumiko; it's a wonderful thing to be friends with someone who thinks highly of the things you like. — Episode 5 As for Kumiko, most of us decided to ignore the moment when Kumiko was on her toes when Hazuki decided to tell Kumiko that she likes Shuuichi Or the moment Kumiko wore a sad expression and tightened her grip on Reina's hand as she allowed Hazuki to take Shuuichi away from her. — Episode 8 I like Taki-sensei but I wonder if he'll ever return Kousaka's feelings. I knew she had a thing for him when she defended him in front of Shuuichi and Kumiko. I think there's a chance he might return her feelings but who knows. What do you think? I've to admit I didn't pay attention to that scene where Kumiko was on her toes but I did notice when she squeezed Kousaka's hand hard. It was obvious to me that she was nervous and maybe wasn't happy that Shuuichi might be taken away from her. The fact that Shuuichi wasn't happy at Hazuki's interruption was enough to make me sure that he wasn't interested in her but in Kumiko's answer. Also, the rejection was the ultimate proof, though I've to admit I was kind of worried he might consider Hazuki but I'm glad it didn't happen. The thing is, I wasn't sure something will happen between Shuuichi and Kumiko as someone told me that there wasn't any romantic conclusion in the novels and that there will be no confession, so I kind of lost hope of them becoming a couple. I'm glad to know they do have feelings for each other and they might get together. |
May 31, 2015 1:17 AM
#299
HatsumiShinogu said: I like Taki-sensei but I wonder if he'll ever return Kousaka's feelings. I knew she had a thing for him when she defended him in front of Shuuichi and Kumiko. I think there's a chance he might return her feelings but who knows. What do you think? The fact that a relationship between a teacher and a student is not blessed by many societies (one of my cousins, a young teacher back then, met and married one of his students when she was still in her final year in college; they had an age gap of six-seven years and they have been living happily ever after since for the past six years and it's not uncommon; however, it's not the same in Japan, as I have read several manga where a teacher-student relationship isn't taken normally). But that probably has nothing to do with this because there is more pressing reason why he wouldn't if I recall correctly. He is in love with someone with whom he shares commitment as well. That someone is his wife. Whether Reina knows about it or not, I dunno as I never read the novel myself but excerpts from it. |
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May 31, 2015 3:20 AM
#300
shanimebib said: HatsumiShinogu said: I like Taki-sensei but I wonder if he'll ever return Kousaka's feelings. I knew she had a thing for him when she defended him in front of Shuuichi and Kumiko. I think there's a chance he might return her feelings but who knows. What do you think? The fact that a relationship between a teacher and a student is not blessed by many societies (one of my cousins, a young teacher back then, met and married one of his students when she was still in her final year in college; they had an age gap of six-seven years and they have been living happily ever after since for the past six years and it's not uncommon; however, it's not the same in Japan, as I have read several manga where a teacher-student relationship isn't taken normally). But that probably has nothing to do with this because there is more pressing reason why he wouldn't if I recall correctly. He is in love with someone with whom he shares commitment as well. That someone is his wife. Whether Reina knows about it or not, I dunno as I never read the novel myself but excerpts from it. college rather a student and a teacher can marry. the final year in college 19-20-21 years. For BOTH They are of the legal age. The problem is the age, it would be Considered pedophilia a person of 34 years with a girl of 15. The girl is underage. This is a crime. There is prejudice, is Actually a 15 year old girl is a child, she does not know what he wants and likes not his life. Taki-Sensei 34 years Reina 15 years. No parent would accept that kind of relationship. The number of cases of pedophilia in various school around the world, teachers seducing students just to have sex. There are children who watch anime, they never would show such contents encouraging children and adolescents to have relations with professore and older people. If such a relationship happen to childhood stick would take the movement of anime as it is broadcast in prime time in Japan. |
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