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May 1, 2015 12:39 PM
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Misogyny is a defining characteristic of gaming culture, even though half of the players now are female.
Women who game face unwelcome sexual advances and crude condemnations of their skills, say Benjamin Baker and Arrington Stoll, UWM doctoral students who recently completed a study on the topic.
"Video games have historically been steeped in hypermasculine culture," said Baker, 31, a lifelong gamer. "Games have been developed by men and marketed to men."
While the audience has evolved, the sexualized characterization of women has not. The streets, dungeons and battlefields are more realistic than ever but still populated by brawny males and a few women clad in cleavage-revealing costumes.
Stoll, 28, began playing about six years to stay connected with her younger brother when he went off to college. She played a character with masculine traits in the online Xbox 360 game Call of Duty, but her feminine username and voice were immediate giveaways (players wear headsets and communicate with one another).
"It was terrible at first," said Stoll, who was berated in crude language when, as a newcomer, she didn't perform well. "My brother would stick up for me," she said. "He'd say 'Hey, that's my sister!'"

http://phys.org/news/2015-05-gamer-culture-crude-rude-male-dominated.html

This has been eye opening to me, I can truly relate to this type of behavior from other male gamers.

It's totally true, the sample of 20 people that relate to this social finding is truly a baffling and big enough number to conclude 100% that gamers are all crude, rude and male.

And that all of this has to be changed, truly, truly horrendous. Truly.

Truly truly truly.
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Horrible writer. Should've used "stale, pale and male" instead.
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UWM doctoral student Ben Baker has been studying the often-negative experiences of female gamers. But he says gaming has a positive side too, with many gamers developing friendships across long distances.
To me he looks like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe a bit on the retarded side.

Muh-soggy-knee is always omnipresent in the patriarchy.




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UWM doctoral student Ben Baker has been studying the often-negative experiences of female gamers. But he says gaming has a positive side too, with many gamers developing friendships across long distances.
To me he looks like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe a bit on the retarded side.


Don't all gamers who publicly display themselves look like that????
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it's just propaganda pervaded by the matriarchy
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Poorly written propaganda piece.


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If male gamers are treating her badly for being a female, she should just either ignore them or stand up for herself, instead of bitching about it.
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Uses call of duty as an example of sexist harassment.



Call of duty online is harassment, you better be ready to shit talk because everyone gets shit. In that regard COD community is very progressive because those 12 year olds treat everyone equally like shit.
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I'm going to borrow this.

Another respondent talked about harassment that went further. "When my character walked away, they followed me and continued to emote that they were restraining me or touching me in a sexual nature. I felt violated and upset…"


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I just concluded a follow up study with a sample size of 1. An astonishing 89% of respondents found the original study to be 'full of shit'.
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I just concluded a follow up study with a sample size of 1. An astonishing 89% of respondents found the original study to be 'full of shit'.
You patriarchal shitlord.




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This is why we need people like Anita <3.


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>Misogyny is a defining characteristic of gaming culture, even though half of the players now are female.

with 50% of gamers are females and still growing then things will change for the better sooner or later imho
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>Misogyny is a defining characteristic of gaming culture, even though half of the players now are female.

with 50% of gamers are females and still growing then things will change for the better sooner or later imho

That's kind of a misleading statistic, since it counts mobile and Facebook games, and the players of those kinds of games are not the people who are involved in "gaming culture".
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j0x said:
>Misogyny is a defining characteristic of gaming culture, even though half of the players now are female.

with 50% of gamers are females and still growing then things will change for the better sooner or later imho

That's kind of a misleading statistic, since it counts mobile and Facebook games, and the players of those kinds of games are not the people who are involved in "gaming culture".
Let's not forget that "misogyny" is defined by them as pretty much saying words to females.

And really, I'd rather not have it any other way, let "real misogyny" florish, we actually need to stop behaving like a bunch of offended retards and understand that if you want freedom of speech, you also have to take some blunt hits from time to time.

Teaching yourself that that is not ever cool will just open up slippery slopes that you yourself will regret.




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Well well, what do we have here?!
I highly doubt that half of the gamers are females, unless we count Candy Crap Saga and other trash games in as well. Call of Duty however, is a laughing stock among those who take gaming a little serious. Especially the suxbox version, that is filled with frustrated teenagers. As of my personal experience, in mmorpgs, girls are usually treated well, sometimes too well. Actually, whenever i ran into a woman, in any game, they were treated better than a man. Some games have toxic community, regardless of your gender, you'll hear more about your mom sexual life than you'd like to, and COD happens to be one of those games.

At the other hand, i do believe games shouldn't aim to be softcore porn. And thus i liked Aion back in the days a bit more than the rest of the available games. The female armors were looked like actual armors. Okay, some of them were still revealing, but compared to Tera, it's really nothing. And after so many games, i can conclude, the more sex a game contains, the less it has to offer in other fields.

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At the other hand, i do believe games shouldn't aim to be softcore porn
I believe otherwise, to be honest. I believe people are too sensitive to this type of shit.




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I'm kinda torn...

Although this study is ridiculous, I feel like male gamers are pretty misogynistic in MMOs. If you go to twitch and so much as see a female gamer, there's either creepy white knighters or pure hymen hatred.
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Immahnoob said:
Drunk-fu said:
At the other hand, i do believe games shouldn't aim to be softcore porn
I believe otherwise, to be honest. I believe people are too sensitive to this type of shit.


I play games to get away from reality a little, like most of us does.
And for me, naked women running around wielding a sword twice their size just kills the mood.
I think the picture explains my stand point very well.

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I'm kinda torn...

Although this study is ridiculous, I feel like male gamers are pretty misogynistic in MMOs. If you go to twitch and so much as see a female gamer, there's either creepy white knighters or pure hymen hatred.


I don't really watch streams to be honest. But just searched a few pic of them on google. I seen more cleavage than in my entire life. Though im sure they aren't all like that.
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i agree it does a lest in te west there has women eplyed in games for yeasr in Mainstrem gmes

koei is ran by a woman at a buiness level developent is ran buy the husband its be like that since day one no big westen dev have women at the high levels do they not to my knowing

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i agree it does a lest in te west there has women eplyed in games for yeasr in Mainstrem gmes

koei is ran by a woman at a buiness level developent is ran buy the husband its be like that since day one no big westen dev have women at the high levels do they not to my knowing

phatasy star crated by a woman kodama reiko falcom jdk band ran by a woman who was aslo lead compsor for years ay falcom now an executive at falcom


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I recently changed my xbox live gamertag to something that is blatantly female, and I get like %1000 more attention now. Even had a guy awkwardly hit on me via text messaging. I'm not one of those people who keep the charade up though, I couldn't be that mean.

I changed my name so that when I go into matchmaking and I talk, people hear my deep ass voice and laugh their ass off, or sometimes they go dead quiet and awkward because I've ruined their fantasy. It's quite fun really, a lot better than my old name.
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I want to ask you guys (especially those that consider themselves "Gamers") a serious question.

How do you define who is a "Gamer"?

I personally only play games on my phone (such as angry birds, temple run, and trivia crack)....am I a gamer?

Because I don't think I am.

Mostly because "gaming" to me is simply to kill time and not serious at all.

"More than half of gamers are now female"......would these females also be people playing with their phones?

Are they really a "gamer"?

What do you guys think?
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Twenty gamers between the ages of 18 and 52 participated in the study, describing similar experiences. All had assigned popular gaming names to preserve anonymity.

Very rigorous... what is that confirmation bias-ladden 'study' (a tabloid article at best, really) doing in Phys.org?

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UWM doctoral student Ben Baker has been studying the often-negative experiences of female gamers. But he says gaming has a positive side too, with many gamers developing friendships across long distances.
To me he looks like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe a bit on the retarded side.

Muh-soggy-knee is always omnipresent in the patriarchy.

She's playing Pokemon ORAS.

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JD2411 said:
it's just propaganda pervaded by the matriarchy
There was actually a paper written quite a long time ago about how the patriarchy exists today because it was an aggressive move against the matriarchal systems that were historically oppressive of men.

It was, presumably, an incredibly hilarious paper, but alas I've been unable to find the specific one I'm referring to.
I really want to read that...
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She's playing Pokemon ORAS.
I heard that's bad taste.




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May 1, 2015 11:35 PM
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I heard that's bad taste.

Indeed.

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How do you define who is a "Gamer"?

Person who plays games.
I personally only play games on my phone (such as angry birds, temple run, and trivia crack)....am I a gamer?

Sure.
Because I don't think I am.

Oh okay.
Mostly because "gaming" to me is simply to kill time and not serious at all.

Gaming to me is simply playing games. Whether you're serious about it or not is unimportant.
"More than half of gamers are now female"......would these females also be people playing with their phones?

Probably.
Are they really a "gamer"?

Sure.
What do you guys think?

^

I guess to me a "Gamer" is someone who plays game for a hobby, has a console or gaming PC and spends a certain number of hours playing games....a gamer IMO also follows up on the ongoings of the gaming industry.

I mean just like anime fans such as us who spend a certain number of hours during the week watching anime, discussing anime, and generally following the ongoings of the anime industry.

Would an anime fan also count if he/she watched a an episode or two by occasion on Adult swim but doesn't follow the industry doesn't really know much about anime and generally doesn't care about anime?

I guess this might be casuals vs non-casuals....but I'm not sure.
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Online games are crap especially the FPS ones. Single player games are better, more thought goes into them. Aside from that...

"A penny saved is a woman fired.

One of the best reasons not to hire a woman is that eventually, every single one of them will be sexually harassed by a co-worker. And guess who gets to pay for it? You.

Money can make a woman forget anything. Humiliation, morals, the emotional well-being of her own children. That’s why strippers never graduate. When women see dollar signs, their brains turn into shit.

By hiring a man over a woman, you are not only getting a more qualified, more competent, less smelly employee, you’re also lowering your chances of being sued for providing a hostile work environment to zero.

But even if you do get sued for sexual harassment, it’s bullshit.

Sexual harassment doesn’t exist.

If you don’t like the way you’re getting treated at work, quit. Or put on thirty pounds! No one’s forcing any of you fascist cunts to be there in the first place. Go work at a Curves if you don’t like men. Or learn to cook a roast and stay in a man’s house rent free. A fed man is one who will tolerate your constant failings.

What Is Sexual Harassment?

Despite how stupid they are in math, women perform a complex mathematical calculation to determine whether or not they are being subject to sexual harassment:

Every woman takes how much money a guy has, A; times the odds he will give her some of that money, B; times the number of other girls who want to fuck him, C.

If A times B times C is less than the amount of attention a guy is giving her: Ding, ding, ding! She’s being sexually harassed! Time to contact HR!

That makes sexual harassment not only subjective, but also completely arbitrary. Any time a woman wants, she can radically change her view of what’s appropriate, offensive, or even hostile. And when we start basing the law around that, we make the law something that is as flaky and non-committal as women. As Jack Slater would say, “Big mistake.”

Women are Whores

Women are whores and they know they’re whores. And sexual harassment lawsuits are the proof!

Getting hit on or having your ass grabbed is not a big deal. And neither is getting berated by your boss or fired for not giving him head. Just quit. But women can’t do that can they. Sexual harassment causes them pain! Here’s why.

The reason women get upset by unwanted sexual attention is because those guys are getting it for free. Think about it. Since the day they turn 13, women are bombarded by attention. Heaps and heaps of attention by men of all ages simply for access to what they’ve got between their legs: a vagina. Let’s not forget that time equals money. Attention from a man is a monetary gift.

When a guy starts angling to get off with a girl for free, it infuriates her because it lowers her price. If one guy gets it without paying, maybe the next guy will do the same. And then she’d have to do more at the office than just gab on IM and play Solitaire. For women, that’s hell.

I’ve had my ass grabbed by women at clubs millions of times. And the reason it’s never bothered me is because I’m not used to getting paid for the privilege.

Men aren’t whores. We give it away.

Women Are Children

The cold hard truth of it, fellows and gentleman, is that if women didn’t have baby makers, they would have all been fucking killed like a million years ago. In order to fuck them, primitive men fed women and protected their fat asses from dinosaurs. In order to fuck them, we keep women happy. And that means protecting them from the truth.

Women are too fragile to handle the truth. the truth doesn’t fit in their shit-brains like my cock won’t fit in a roll of toilet paper. It’s too big.

That’s why women can sue for sexual harassment. As far as the law is concerned, women are over-sized children and they’re to be treated as such. The courts won’t tell them they’re whores.

If you tell a child Santa Claus exists and then you give him legal rights, he can sue if he doesn’t get a pony for Christmas. If you tell women they’re good for anything more than making babies and then encourage them to join the workforce, they can sue when you don’t act like it. The law is black and white. Pay up or grow up.

“If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children.” – Some Russian Judge

In Russia, only three women have won sexual harassment lawsuits.

Women Love Sexual Harassment

Look at every one of women’s donkey-shit love stories. Their chick movies, their fucking romance books, their dickless emo music — every single story has some schlub pouring endless amounts of unrequited attention onto some bitch until she’s so overwhelmed by it, the decision to put out is made for her. That’s every woman’s fantasy life — to let a man’s attention wash over her like the tide until she drowns in it.

Women love sexual harassment. They only start suing over it when the guy doing it isn’t imaginary.

Manclusion

Can I Sue For Pain in the Ass Harassment?

Can I sue because some chick parked in front of my driveway? Can I sue because some stupid woman OBGYN left a message on my fuck buddy’s answering machine that says, “Call me back when you get this. It’s really important,” and then closed for the fucking weekend? What kind of weekend are you supposed to have wondering about that shit! Is she pregnant? Does she have herpes? What the fuck!?

Yes, actually I can sue for all of that, but it would get thrown the fuck out of court and the judge would make fun of me. As well he should.

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They're gamers, but they're not "hardcore" gamers. That's when you make a difference.

Because females just aren't into "hardcore" gaming, and that's a preference, not necessarily something we should "counter" or "not accept". To me this "forced inclusiveness" ruins communities and games. The producer obviously wants the most people to play his games, but completely changing a franchise (let's talk about CoD here) will probably not help.

Because let's face it, if you make it like Candy Crush, you'd have to insert different types of microtransactions and make the game as "casual" as possible, but then you'll probably have more players, half male population half female population but less revenue.

And a different game.




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Hitler was good, objectively.
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Oh, that guy...

Some would even claim I'm a misogynist, but because of all the shit is happening and the retarded opinions I now hear sometimes, I tend to agree with certain things with him, and that's not good, it shows how fucked Feminist is right now.




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I want to ask you guys (especially those that consider themselves "Gamers") a serious question.

How do you define who is a "Gamer"?

I personally only play games on my phone (such as angry birds, temple run, and trivia crack)....am I a gamer?

Because I don't think I am.

Mostly because "gaming" to me is simply to kill time and not serious at all.

"More than half of gamers are now female"......would these females also be people playing with their phones?

Are they really a "gamer"?

What do you guys think?


I think you are a "real" gamer. I mean you play video games right? So why not.

But there is not a 50% female gamer demographic. That is a lie(at least for PC gaming) otherwise developers would be targeting that audience more. Marketing and profit is about targeting your audience. If there was a heavy female audience then companies would be targeting it more, but there obviously isn't, proof being that they continue to target a male audience.
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Yeah, there's no patriarchy, it's because there aren't enough female gamers for them to care about pandering to them specifically.

And trying to pander for two groups, I really don't know how easy that is. I've never seen it happen. Maybe Huniepop is the single example? Pop culture, fetishes, nudity/porn, ridiculousness, comedy, romance and casual puzzling with still a bit of difficulty added to it. It's really a mish mash of a lot of concepts and genres.

It's really popular with both males and females.




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I think you are a "real" gamer. I mean you play video games right? So why not.

Because I only do so as a means to kill time/boredom....not because it's a hobby or something I truly care about.

And the games I play are very trivial, not intricate console or PC games with storylines and whatnot.

I think if we define a gamer anyone that plays a game, then literally almost EVERY SINGLE person in America is a gamer.

I think being a "Gamer" is more than just playing a game.

The reason why most people who identify themselves as "gamers" are males is because this is a real hobby to them, they are interested in the industry and actually spend time and money on their hobby.

I don't...and neither do casuals who play cell phone games and nothing more.

So when we hear that 50% of "Gamers" are now female....I don't believe that stat.

I think people who identify themselves as "Gamer" and consider it a hobby, follow the industry, have a real passion for gaming....that is overwhelmingly male.

That is only my opinion though.
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That's because these labels aren't "objective", you just pick up what you think is best, to be honest.

Yes, I don't think someone playing a single game once is a gamer either. And I'm sure no one is ridiculous enough to claim that. But if someone plays a single game daily, that's a different thing.

I think AMOUNT OF TIME AND GAMES is what makes you a gamer. Following the industry and all that jazz is a plus.




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That's because these labels aren't "objective", you just pick up what you think is best, to be honest.

Yes, I don't think someone playing a single game once is a gamer either. And I'm sure no one is ridiculous enough to claim that. But if someone plays a single game daily, that's a different thing.

I think AMOUNT OF TIME AND GAMES is what makes you a gamer. Following the industry and all that jazz is a plus.

Ok, that makes more sense.

And to be fair, I did say that this could simply be a question about casual vs. non-casual gaming.

I mean, we all know casual anime fans are not typically the ones that come to MAL, talk about anime episode by episode, and follow the industry the way many people on here do.

Casual anime fans watch a few episodes once in awhile...they may enjoy it and may even take a liking to a particular series, but it's not something they're gonna follow too much.

I think most people on MAL are bit more than just casual anime fans, but I don't want to get too much into that discussion cuz then people will think I'm calling MALers Otaku and we all know that MOST people don't want to be labeled that...

Anyways, once again this is a very nuanced issue....which makes the feminist argument seem even more retarded since they LOVE to paint it black and white.
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I mean, we all know casual anime fans are not typically the ones that come to MAL, talk about anime episode by episode, and follow the industry the way many people on here do.


Well, i don't really talk about anime with others, especially not on MAL.
I haven't even been on the forums for years, since im mostly using it as anime list, or to read the review of a series im interested in. Unless we count checking on the upcoming stuff of every season once in every 3 months, i don't follow the industry either.
Does that make me a casual?
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It would probably take a while for the gamer culture to evolve since the percentage of female gamers is still low but rising. But I'm pretty sure we'll see a change in the future.
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too much stuff


All that shit you didn't write yourself and we're supposed to read it? Come on now, buddy. At this point better just post a link.

OT: I think it's has some bit of truth to it, even the general level rudeness vastly depends on which online game you play. But this article is still rubbish.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Bloodshade said:
too much stuff


All that shit you didn't write yourself and we're supposed to read it? Come on now, buddy. At this point better just post a link.

OT: I think it's has some bit of truth to it, even the general level rudeness vastly depends on which online game you play. But this article is still rubbish.


Of course I didn't write it myself. That's why I quoted it. I never claimed to write it myself. Read if you want or don't. I don't care. I'll post how I want. I prefer blocks of text to a puney link.
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It’s time to ditch the text file.
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