Zoddd said: So it takes no skill to take a mediocre yonkoma and turn it into one of the most successful franchises in the last few years? Ok.I agre with Miyazaki, Moe is killing creativity. It doesn't require any skill to create a show based solely on moe like K-ON Non Non Biyori etc..Japanese otaku are truly pathetic to keep buying these kinds of anime, I feel nothing but pity for them. |
FGAU1912 said: or even get in to the top 3 precure is pretty moe though |
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| Think he is more talking about the difficulties in making a female lead who is popular with the masses in general (Or maybe more likely, a younger girl lead). Since he was known for making female leads it would make sense that he was talking about his own experiences. He mentions that in order to gain popularity one needs to make the lead "lovely" or in other words likeable. However their seems to be a fine line between likeable and going full blast "moe", which in his opinion is a genre that makes the girls appear as "pets" when they go over the top in making them adorable. I should also note that this quote may also be talking to doujins or other works, it is not specified what medium he is referring to, since the end makes him sound like the author is creating the character as if she was "his pet". |
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| Since people obviously are too lazy to read all of the posts I'll just go ahead and quote |
Comic_SansJan 30, 2015 9:24 AM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| miyazaki is quite moe |
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hentai_proxy said: Feaor said:  ...and thus the emo-granddad meme was born. lel Kagami_Hiiragi said: I can't take a guy who has "retired" 1000 times seriously. Well, Miyazaki's always been a bitch. He complained about shading and "overdetail" back in the 80s, has bitched about otaku since the 90s, bitches about his own studio, subtly about himself. At least Oshii bitched back at him, heh. |
silverwalls said: yup hes totally tsundere "its not like I like anime or anything.....Baka!"miyazaki is quite moe |
sullynathan said: I think Miyazaki was talking about the wrong Era. You picked wrong image though. These new anime examples don't have any moe in it. And there are tons of it in new anime. |
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| In this thread to.....Let me repost from the last thread. Guys,I think we should learn to appreciate anime as a whole and not try to sub-divide it so that outer medias can attack us easily by comparing anime to pornography. |
kickthebucket said: But most of the animes today are funded by American companies like Funimation.This implies that anime has grown outside of Japan in a very large scale.And most shows are even made for the western audience which didn't sell a lot in Japan but did hits outside the country.not like it's even a western problem :s people tend to forget that anime is targeted at JAPANESE people... you know... it's created in japan? @OP this is NOT your problem, nor does this affect you. in japan there's REAL otaku/NEET/lolicons/etc. (western society? not that much or just self proclaimed ones) THAT is what he's talking about... I can't be 100% sure of the facts but these were researched and addressed by Gigguk if that means anything to you all. |
Zergneedsfood said: I will admit to that.Won't it be better to solve out the main problems first before bashing into ourselves.I think that's a pretty apt comparison. The gaming community is suffering due to this ignorance.Now many controversial topics on gaming is damaging the community.People like Anita Sarkeesian are ripping off games with false accusation. It's not long before anime gets targeted by some organized idiotic group. |
Copyright_SucksJan 30, 2015 11:02 AM
Comic_Sans said: Since people obviously are too lazy to read all of the posts I'll just go ahead and quote Heh. Thread already flopped. I don't even know why I wasted my time trying to shove some reasoning in the mind of these turds. Bet 1/10 read the reply and actually thought about the issue. Most of the "posters" here just care about their "ayy lmao look muh funny posting lel kek LMAO" sasuga, MAL. |
FGAU1912 said: as iv said many time if you mesure compare each of the main franchises that began in the golden age like dragonball gundam Lone wolf and cub ect aand you will see no mondern say psot 2005 franchise had made even the 10th of the money that thay have translation : As I've said many time, if you compare each of the franchise that popular in the golden age like Dragonball, Gundam etc you will see that no post 2005 franchise able to make even 1/10 of the money the former have. |
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xbobx said: because most think this topic is stupidComic_Sans said: Since people obviously are too lazy to read all of the posts I'll just go ahead and quote Heh. Thread already flopped. I don't even know why I wasted my time trying to shove some reasoning in the mind of these turds. Bet 1/10 read the reply and actually thought about the issue. Most of the "posters" here just care about their "ayy lmao look muh funny posting lel kek LMAO" sasuga, MAL. |
| [b] Miyazaki ISN'T a damn sellout!!! he has principals and he stands by them, he loves his job/anime and has a certain ideology about how it should be and i support him 100% #team_Miyazaki |
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John_h said: This happens a lot.Zoddd said: I agre with Miyazaki, Moe is killing creativity. It doesn't require any skill to create a show based solely on moe like K-ON Non Non Biyori etc..Japanese otaku are truly pathetic to keep buying these kinds of anime, I feel nothing but pity for them. How exactly do you judge a show if you haven't even watched it? |
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| Don't know about you, but I certainly know the difference between humans and cats. Isn't the old man just upset that his creations are getting rule 34 on some random hentai site? |
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| Miyazaki is the Bill Cosby of anime. |
Killaclown said: xbobx said: because most think this topic is stupidHeh. Thread already flopped. I don't even know why I wasted my time trying to shove some reasoning in the mind of these turds. Bet 1/10 read the reply and actually thought about the issue. Most of the "posters" here just care about their "ayy lmao look muh funny posting lel kek LMAO" sasuga, MAL. So, in order to express your thinking that "this topic is stupid" you act like a stupid misinformed kid? Damn, that's some crazy-shet rocket science heavy logic over here. |
| Can we talk about how Gundam was so shit it got cancelled? |
fst said: Can we talk about how Gundam was so shit it got cancelled? you take that back!!!! [spoiler] Gundam was THE SHIT |
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| loli, I am indifferent. Not a fan of fanservice all together so children can make it go over the top sometimes but loli characters themselves are fine. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I respect miyazaki though. I haven't watched any of his films but Nausicaa is a pretty good manga even though the art is incredibly dated and painful to read. |
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sullynathan said: I respect miyazaki though. I haven't watched any of his films but Nausicaa is a pretty good manga even though the art is incredibly dated and painful to read. people hate the dude because he thinks anime should be of a higher quality and has the conviction to stand by his words ........ what a F***ED UP WORLD WE LIVE IN !!! |
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Zoddd said: 'I don't like it, so the people who make it are lazy and talentless. Unlike me!'I agre with Miyazaki, Moe is killing creativity. It doesn't require any skill to create a show based solely on moe like K-ON Non Non Biyori etc..Japanese otaku are truly pathetic to keep buying these kinds of anime, I feel nothing but pity for them. |
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Garfild said: That being said, I think Miyazaki had written some of the best heroines in anime, in general. Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. |
Okashi_sama said: Garfild said: That being said, I think Miyazaki had written some of the best heroines in anime, in general. Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. That would be fine if you forgot the "some of the" clause there. |
| Old news. The industry has been taking the easy outs for years now. All you have to do is pump a series full of moe and it'll sell by default. Just as long you keep the show right in that strike zone and don't do anything adventurous like tell a story or develop characters. Anything too ambitious and the people found at other end of the spectrum, overly analytical asshats, will find whatever niche excuse to blow it out of the water. It seems like from the industry's perspective you're either pleasing the mindless moe goers or getting bombarded by wanna be critics for not living up to some illusory standard. As Miyazaki was saying, there's nothing inherently wrong with moe. Only when it's become the main focus of shows, characters, and industry is when you really see how limited and uninspired using one brush stroke or one caricature can become. A bit infuriating seeing as how the medium with the most creative potential is turning into an assembly line of pedestrian meal trays. It'll give even the American music industry a run.~ |
Garfild said: Okashi_sama said: I said some of the best, not best of them all...Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. That Jintai thing could be interesting, but taking into account your profile where it seems that you only like heroines that are cute type teenagers, or at least look that age, I don't know... Yeah, my bad. i should using MAL instantly after waking up. Rin and Yuudachi are just there because of the hype. Senjougahara and Watashi are way too far from your typical cute teen anime girl. jal90 said: Okashi_sama said: Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. That would be fine if you forgot the "some of the" clause there. Okashi_sama said: Yeah, my bad. i should using MAL instantly after waking up. |
WAD1992 said: How can he sellout to a bunch of pirates circle spanking to how moe is killing the industry?Okashi_sama said: Ah, yes. Another thread about the guy who keeps on retiring because people don't make anime they way he wants, And you get some people who agree with and him and also start ranting despite getting everything for free. at least he's not a f***ing sellout !!! |
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| Who really give a damn on what Miyazaki said. |
SeibaaHomu said: Zoddd said: 'I don't like it, so the people who make it are lazy and talentless. Unlike me!'I agre with Miyazaki, Moe is killing creativity. It doesn't require any skill to create a show based solely on moe like K-ON Non Non Biyori etc..Japanese otaku are truly pathetic to keep buying these kinds of anime, I feel nothing but pity for them. But a lot of these shows are lazy and talentless. |
| I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard. |
emobuttercup said: SeibaaHomu said: 'I don't like it, so the people who make it are lazy and talentless. Unlike me!' But a lot of these shows are lazy and talentless. hold the phone... there was way more to K-on and non non biyori other than moe... Those anime have lively, charismatic characters. Okashi_sama said: Garfild said: That being said, I think Miyazaki had written some of the best heroines in anime, in general. Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. Really? That's the example you use? Don't get me wrong, it's alright... I like the MC, but one of the best anime heroines? I think that's a bit of an overstatement |
silversongwriterJan 31, 2015 11:00 AM
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silversongwriter said: People only see what they want to see. K-On is one of the forerunners of dealing with the theme of just having fun and enjoying life, the cutesy style just helps reinforce that feel good, drama free sensation. I have not seen many shows that are able to incorporate moe with substance as well as K-On and, to an extent, Aria have.emobuttercup said: But a lot of these shows are lazy and talentless. hold the phone... there was way more to K-on and non non biyori other than moe... Those anime have lively, charismatic characters. Sheesh, it's like you either need a ton of violence or completely realistic characters to make claims on quality storytelling these days. |
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silversongwriter said: Okashi_sama said: Pfffff. Watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita. Really? That's the example you use? Don't get me wrong, it's alright... I like the MC, but one of the best anime heroines? I think that's a bit of an overstatement If anything, it's an understatement. she just be called the best fictional character ever. |
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