ichii_1 said: The show is enjoyable but if a different studio decided to adapt it, it would be 10 times better.6. World Trigger WOW! :O Anime does wonders for a series. And ep. 15 of WT is out , "claps" brilliant, Jin <3 ftw |
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JumpinJackCrash said: Isn't that the one used in the popularity poll arc?Gintama popularity poll 2, from 2009: |
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IntroverTurtle said: JumpinJackCrash said: Isn't that the one used in the popularity poll arc?Gintama popularity poll 2, from 2009: I think so too. I just remember Sadaharu beating the heck out of Elizabeth. |
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RedRoseFring said: I remember that 1-3 group, Shinpachi being made fun of for being 8th(hachi), Shinpachi accidentally calling Yamazaki Kyuui(9th), and Sarutobi's joke about Otae and Sorachi and Kondo being next to each other with the double gorrila thing. There was also Hasegawa and Kondoh dressing up as Takasugi and Kagura and Tsukyo being above the rest of the girls.IntroverTurtle said: Isn't that the one used in the popularity poll arc? I think so too. I just remember Sadaharu beating the heck out of Elizabeth. |
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silversaint said: eyepatch villain that high? he never did anything remarkable Did you see the Naruto one with Iruka? It seems the Japanese fans don't care about that apparently. |
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| damn i didnt expect Iruka to be so popular an wtf? Oro is so damn low i actually find the eyepatch villain to be kind of annoying, he rarelly appears an when he finally shows up he does nothing besides smiling an trying to look cool |
silversaintJan 24, 2015 7:09 PM
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silversaint said: Yes but he's hot and he's cool looking. So even though he isn't in 90% of the series and hasn't done really anything people love him.eyepatch villain that high? he never did anything remarkable |
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JumpinJackCrash said: Gintama popularity poll 2, from 2009: 3rd popularity poll result What about Kamui? Takasugi at least was in more chapters than him |
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| Do you guys think Obata's new manga Gakkyuu Houtei will survive in shonen jump because he is Obata or will it get cancelled? |
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CashMoney said: Do you guys think Obata's new manga Gakkyuu Houtei will survive in shonen jump because he is Obata or will it get cancelled? my guess jump will be a bit more tolerant to it but will be cancelled if it's on the bottom rank too long |
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CashMoney said: Do you guys think Obata's new manga Gakkyuu Houtei will survive in shonen jump because he is Obata or will it get cancelled? It will survive because Obata's the artist but I don't see it lasting for more than 2 years. |
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ichii_1 said: Why?CashMoney said: Do you guys think Obata's new manga Gakkyuu Houtei will survive in shonen jump because he is Obata or will it get cancelled? It will survive because Obata's the artist but I don't see it lasting for more than 2 years. |
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Mustang_Roy said: Z4k said: Yeah he is. Nothing you can do to deny it. And maybe post why he isn't instead of just spamming. K? If I'm spamming, then you're doing it too by not explaining why he is. Yeah, and how am I supposed to create an argument then there's no base to yours in the first place smh How is he not a complex character? Natsu is one of the main character and has undergone through various changes as the plot advances. He has displayed weakness and learned emotions like fear for the first time after his fight with Gildarts and has used it as an experience to grow as a character. Not to mention, Natsu has shown his motives and goals in the series like many different characters that could be noted as complex. Despite being reckless and have a love for battle, he has shown to have developed a tad bit of a strategic mind which has helped him many times in battles as we go along the series. Emotionally he has suffered like many different main characters after losing people that were like his family which caused Natsu to leave Fairy tail to overcome his own flaws. He may not have exhibited variety of traits to appeal the larger audience however to make up for it he has shown extreme loyalty to those he cares about and would do anything to protect them. That's just the tip of the iceberg and I could go on and on but first I'd like to see you present your argument in regards to why he isn't a complex character. Also saying this just in case but don't cherry pick certain moments in the manga to point the flaws because that makes you look stupid. Please no spammy posts. K? |
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CashMoney said: ichii_1 said: Why?It will survive because Obata's the artist but I don't see it lasting for more than 2 years. Cause the story and characters aren't that great and I'm sure Obata won't be doing the art for a series like this for long, and everyone's waiting for him and Ohba's next work. |
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Ok let's all agree to go by a specific definition of what a complex character constitutes. I say we use this.... |
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soundscape said: Ok let's all agree to go by a specific definition of what a complex character constitutes. I say we use this.... Yep if we go by that definition then Natsu still falls in the category of a complex. Its the same if we go by the definition of a character's depth... |
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soundscape said: "They generally have a complex motivation driving them, and may act counter to what their 'type' would suggest. These are the kind of character that have to struggle with choice." Proof of otherwise please. Also please list me his dimensions. Thank you. Haven't read the manga, so if it is not in the first anime then I'll have to back down from this discussion. Most of his recent and important development isn't in the anime so not sure if you're ok with being spoiled. |
Z4k said: soundscape said: "They generally have a complex motivation driving them, and may act counter to what their 'type' would suggest. These are the kind of character that have to struggle with choice." Proof of otherwise please. Also please list me his dimensions. Thank you. Haven't read the manga, so if it is not in the first anime then I'll have to back down from this discussion. Most of his recent and important development isn't in the anime so not sure if you're ok with being spoiled. It is not about being spoiled. I won't be able to counter argument if needed as I haven't read it. Well, I am out of this I guess. 175 ep that was the first anime though I didn't see any complexity about him, he was also more or less static. |
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Z4k said: Then why don't you just use examples from the anime? If most of his important development isn't in the anime then some of it is.soundscape said: "They generally have a complex motivation driving them, and may act counter to what their 'type' would suggest. These are the kind of character that have to struggle with choice." Proof of otherwise please. Also please list me his dimensions. Thank you. Haven't read the manga, so if it is not in the first anime then I'll have to back down from this discussion. Most of his recent and important development isn't in the anime so not sure if you're ok with being spoiled. |
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| I don't think a character necessarily has to be complex to be good (Mugen from Champloo is one of my favorites) but I don't recall much complexity with Natsu, even after the Gildarts fight he just kinda shelved the lesson. |
Kaimon said: I don't think a character necessarily has to be complex to be good (Mugen from Champloo is one of my favorites) but I don't recall much complexity with Natsu, even after the Gildarts fight he just kinda shelved the lesson. But Mugen has character depth. |
SuperRed said: But Mugen has character depth. He does, especially during the Mukuro arc, but I still wouldn't call him very complex for most of the show, though he does become a better person by the end of the last episode. |
| natsu is a complex character |
| There is no such thing as a complex person, they're all just emos trying to find themselves. Natsu has straightforward personality which is fine, not everybody needs super character development. |
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| We were discussing if Natsu is a complex char. Not if complexity is needed for a char to be considered good (no it is not needed). And not every char needs to be complex. |
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Z4k said: How is he not a complex character? Natsu is one of the main character and has undergone through various changes as the plot advances. He has displayed weakness and learned emotions like fear for the first time after his fight with Gildarts and has used it as an experience to grow as a character. Not to mention, Natsu has shown his motives and goals in the series like many different characters that could be noted as complex. Despite being reckless and have a love for battle, he has shown to have developed a tad bit of a strategic mind which has helped him many times in battles as we go along the series. Emotionally he has suffered like many different main characters after losing people that were like his family which caused Natsu to leave Fairy tail to overcome his own flaws. He may not have exhibited variety of traits to appeal the larger audience however to make up for it he has shown extreme loyalty to those he cares about and would do anything to protect them. That's just the tip of the iceberg and I could go on and on but first I'd like to see you present your argument in regards to why he isn't a complex character. Also saying this just in case but don't cherry pick certain moments in the manga to point the flaws because that makes you look stupid. Please no spammy posts. K? The problem with Natsu is always the Nakama Punch. He did learn 'fear' from Gildarts, he got the message from Gildarts that sayin there's an enemy that he can't beat with passion alone, but the thing is there's not an enemy that Natsu can't beat with his Nakama Punch, he did undergone a lot of character development but He is the one that make his character not complex, why? because he always return to his usual happy-go-lucky self leaving any trance of development or change in his character. Not the mention the way he act is way too predictable, 'I'll protect my Nakama' that's all there's to it to Natsu. And I wrote this based on my opinion from watching FT until GMG Arc. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Z4k said: Then why don't you just use examples from the anime? If most of his important development isn't in the anime then some of it is.Most of his recent and important development isn't in the anime so not sure if you're ok with being spoiled. Well that's a tough one because generally throughout the anime Natsu is pretty much the same but with bits of developments here and there most of which are his improved skills in battles. There's not much he learns other than learning fear for the first time from Gildarts which did help him stop being reckless a bit. As for his motivations and backstory, it was initially stated that he was adopted by Igneel and his goal is to learn more about Igneel's disappearance which led him to join fairy tail iirc. But I wouldn't use the anime as an excuse to point flaws regarding a character especially since it hasn't covered the important things yet. |
Z4KJan 25, 2015 10:41 AM
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OkiuraJan 25, 2015 12:33 PM
| A character does not need to be complex to be good. There is so much that goes into making a character, that no one thing determines if one is good or not. The way they fit their role in the story is what makes them stand out. |
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ichii_1 said: Natsu has straightforward personality which is fine, not everybody needs super character development. His personality is not fine when it leads to situations that lead to him winning just because he was really mad, or got a random power up conjured up by Mashima on the spot. Remember the Dragon Festival arc in which the conditions for victory were 3-fold? [spoiler]a. Fend off the Dragons b. Destroy the time portal c. Defeat Future Rogue You'd think this would end with the collective efforts of all parties involved with the Grand Magic Games, but nope Natsu just punches Rogue and his dragon really hard through the gate all of a sudden. Flushing all the good (by FT standards) build-up for such a lazy cop-out.[spoiler] |
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| Interesting to see that the manga market did well this year thanks to series with anime and live-action adaptations, Attack on Titan, Haikyuu, Seven Deadly Sins, Tokyo Ghoul, and they included One Piece for some reason. Wonder if the new year will see a boost for Naruto. Adaptations are expensive, but I wonder if this is motivation to make more of them. |
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RedRoseFring said: Interesting to see that the manga market did well this year thanks to series with anime and live-action adaptations, Attack on Titan, Haikyuu, Seven Deadly Sins, Tokyo Ghoul, and they included One Piece for some reason. Wonder if the new year will see a boost for Naruto. Adaptations are expensive, but I wonder if this is motivation to make more of them. Where did you get that from? |
Agafin said: RedRoseFring said: Interesting to see that the manga market did well this year thanks to series with anime and live-action adaptations, Attack on Titan, Haikyuu, Seven Deadly Sins, Tokyo Ghoul, and they included One Piece for some reason. Wonder if the new year will see a boost for Naruto. Adaptations are expensive, but I wonder if this is motivation to make more of them. Where did you get that from? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-23/japanese-manga-book-market-rises-to-record-282-billion-yen/.83614 |
Z4k said: Agafin said: Where did you get that from? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-23/japanese-manga-book-market-rises-to-record-282-billion-yen/.83614 Thanks, that's really interesting. There will probably be another rise this year and it might even be larger since Attack on titan gets two live action movies so probably a little boost. Nanatsu no Tazai, Tokyo Ghoul, Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, AssClass and Shokugeki no Souma (and Gintama?) will have anime boosts and are pretty good sellers. One Piece will also probably have a movie soon and that will boost sales (or if Dressrossa ends this year and the next arc has to do with Kaido then instant boost). |
AgafinJan 26, 2015 7:39 AM
Kaimon said: I don't think a character necessarily has to be complex to be good (Mugen from Champloo is one of my favorites) but I don't recall much complexity with Natsu, even after the Gildarts fight he just kinda shelved the lesson. Mugen is a terrible character |
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sullynathan said: No he isn't.Kaimon said: I don't think a character necessarily has to be complex to be good (Mugen from Champloo is one of my favorites) but I don't recall much complexity with Natsu, even after the Gildarts fight he just kinda shelved the lesson. Mugen is a terrible character |
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Milk_is_Special said: sullynathan said: No he isn't.Mugen is a terrible character he's the worse characters in champloo |
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Z4k said: Agafin said: Where did you get that from? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-23/japanese-manga-book-market-rises-to-record-282-billion-yen/.83614 Kinda hard to believe that One Piece actually got a boost from the anime... |
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sullynathan said: he's not even the worst of the 3 <.<Milk_is_Special said: No he isn't. he's the worse characters in champloo |
tr1ckst3r said: Kinda hard to believe that One Piece actually got a boost from the anime... I don't even know what they meant there. One Piece didn't get an anime last year. The anime boost for One Piece was in 1999. The only recent boosts for One Piece in recent years are the the Strong World, Film Z and Marineford boosts iirc. |
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