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BigSimo said: Don't mention it :)thanks for the link; i think i will check out the discussions for some clarification. also very good points, i'd forgotten about those moments earlier in the show. i feel like there's too much pressure on ufotable and this current director to not screw up, so hopefully it'll turn out fine. i'm looking forward to seeing how it develops anyway. i don't think shirou is a bad character at all - he was bad in the DEEN adaptation, but since the beginning here he's been more complex and less douchey. there are moments where this complexity seems briefly forgotten (usually during any kind of 'classic romcom' scene, or in this last episode where i just wasn't enjoying it as much as i should have been), but overall he's fine. yeah tell me about. i'm trying to respond to like 4 people at once. why do i do this to myself.......... Tbh I want to thank you for bringing new discussion besides the usual stuff we see, which fans here are quite sick of (explains our aggressiveness but doesn't excuse it). And yeah the DEEN anime is a miserable adaptation, which again is another thing I'd like to thank you for not having bias due to the old anime like many people tend to do, which usually ends up in messy discussions. Anyway, hopefully second cour delivers. Edit: As an aside note, that thread I linked devolves into random banter between regulars on this sub-forum, so the interesting stuff are scattered. But a good chunk of the more interesting bits is one post on the first page anyway so I guess you're good. |
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BigSimo said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Sigh why can't we think of Rin as a person Shirou is interested in or his comrade or ally.........rather than just a girl. Seriously people complaining about Nasu or Shirou being sexist are the ones with the sexist mindset. not sure how you reached that conclusion. but look, i just mentioned that i read elsewhere that nasu was criticised for being somewhat sexist when the VN originally came out. i'm not claiming it as fact, i'm just suggesting that the character of shirou is not completely free from such criticisms. Insertanamehere said: Fine, I'll bite. He's not clueless. In fact he was clearly deliberately teasing Rin right there. The date was maybe 10 minutes tops in a 1 hour episode, whats so long about it? Yes, something has changed, they got closer, and even the same can be said for Saber. Additionally if you paid attention there's some foreshadowing and hinting going on. It being boring is subjective, but then there clearly is a purpose to it-Rin realizes Shirou's character and wants to help him out. Botato covered the last bit already. Additionally, he wanted to find Rin even more so because he realized that it was she who saved him, and he wants to tell her he wants to keep fighting in the grail war. i meant clueless in that he's completely unaware of rin's interest (beyond friendship) in him. when she goes all tsundere he's just like "i don't get it". thinking about it now though, it's not THAT bad. the typical roles are almost reversed when rin suggests the date and shirou is the one blushing and freaking out. but the part where rin puts glasses on him, for example, he's a little slow, just doesn't get the joke or why rin is doing all this stuff. i feel like it's made worse (for me anyway) in contrast to the great conversation they had the night before where they seemed really in-tune and relaxed and it felt natural. it's not about relativity. a ten minute date is a ten minute date, regardless of what comes before/after. generic montage dates are bad enough in romcoms. seeing them in a show that's about an epic holy grail war with lots of death and fighting and A LOT at stake is jarring and quite unnecessary. i'm not sure how they got closer. it may have appeared that they did, but nothing really changed in terms of their behavior (especially given all the crazy shit that followed), and the stuff they talked about on the date was of no consequence to anything; again, comparing it to their d&m the previous night, it feels kind of pointless. it's just a lot of blushing and laughing, but they're no closer to actually dating or anything like that. it doesn't progress their love life or their 'professional' (grail-related) relationship, nor does it give us viewers any valuable information, besides the apparent foreshadowing that i seem to have missed. rin realized all the important stuff about shirou the previous night. and yes, boring is subjective, but i think the above explains why i found it largely uninteresting. Well, to each their own, I guess, I enjoyed the date. And I suppose this isn't your fault so much as it is the adaptations, but Shirou is aware that Rin likes him, though maybe not completely. Technically, as has been mentioned before, Caster's attack was unprecedented because the de facto rule is that they can't fight in the day to continue hiding magecraft from the rest of the world, so they expected to be in no danger during the day. Moreover, Rin wanted to see if Shirou could let go of whatevers driving him and and enjoy his life, because the conversation from before made it clear to her that she does not do that. As far as relationship progression goes, well I suppose you could argue either way but I'd think that spending time together in a more relaxed setting would bring them closer together. As far as the foreshadowing goes, well I suppose it could be missed if you didn't pay careful attention each episode, though I would have thought that at this point it's pretty clear. Rin makes some comments about Shirou in the future, pay attention there, think about it and you might get it. |
StrayBotato said: BigSimo said: Don't mention it :)thanks for the link; i think i will check out the discussions for some clarification. also very good points, i'd forgotten about those moments earlier in the show. i feel like there's too much pressure on ufotable and this current director to not screw up, so hopefully it'll turn out fine. i'm looking forward to seeing how it develops anyway. i don't think shirou is a bad character at all - he was bad in the DEEN adaptation, but since the beginning here he's been more complex and less douchey. there are moments where this complexity seems briefly forgotten (usually during any kind of 'classic romcom' scene, or in this last episode where i just wasn't enjoying it as much as i should have been), but overall he's fine. yeah tell me about. i'm trying to respond to like 4 people at once. why do i do this to myself.......... Tbh I want to thank you for bringing new discussion besides the usual stuff we see, which fans here are quite sick of (explains our aggressiveness but doesn't excuse it). And yeah the DEEN anime is a miserable adaptation, which again is another thing I'd like to thank you for not having bias due to the old anime like many people tend to do, which usually ends up in messy discussions. Anyway, hopefully second cour delivers. i'm just glad to have discussions that end well like this, instead of insults or someone just ignoring my points (which does happen quite a bit). i like to gain a new perspective on things, which is certainly what's happened here. Insertanamehere said: Well, to each their own, I guess, I enjoyed the date. And I suppose this isn't your fault so much as it is the adaptations, but Shirou is aware that Rin likes him, though maybe not completely. Technically, as has been mentioned before, Caster's attack was unprecedented because the de facto rule is that they can't fight in the day to continue hiding magecraft from the rest of the world, so they expected to be in no danger during the day. Moreover, Rin wanted to see if Shirou could let go of whatevers driving him and and enjoy his life, because the conversation from before made it clear to her that she does not do that. As far as relationship progression goes, well I suppose you could argue either way but I'd think that spending time together in a more relaxed setting would bring them closer together. As far as the foreshadowing goes, well I suppose it could be missed if you didn't pay careful attention each episode, though I would have thought that at this point it's pretty clear. Rin makes some comments about Shirou in the future, pay attention there, think about it and you might get it. yeah...the date is certainly justified. i guess it's just a personal thing; i'd prefer if it were shorter, or if they only had the picnic scene, as this seemed to be the most relevant. ooh im guessing you're referring to the "i need to be taller" thing. i guess i can tell that it's foreshadowing SOMETHING. but im not exactly sure what. i've heard bits and pieces, but i've tried to avoid all spoilers so i'm not 100% sure. anyway, like the others said above, it's probably best i wait til the second cour before getting any more in-depth with arguments. |
| As long as you provide reasons and don't start comparing shirou to kirito or naruto then your good. |
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| I'm really sorry for calling you a retard earlier. We have so many comments like this in the last few days. People are usually not discussion friendly and ignore everything we say. BigSimo said: yes, good point. i suppose i was just trying to allude to shirou's character in the anime being based on a character critcised for his sexist views/actions (due to the somewhat sexist writing). again, as i said in my above post though, i'm taking back what i said about the sexism. there have been a couple lines in the anime ("women shouldn't fight") that led me to bring it up in the first place, but it seems like it'd be best to wait until the second cour airs. I really don't see any of that here. In THIS anime, he has no problem with Rin or Saber fighting or whatever. He looking for her is NOT because he wants to say: "Women shouldn't fight". He wants to fight with her, he don't want to give up. Some minutes ago, he found the pendant and realized that she saved him that night. He said: "This is the debt that I can never repay". That should add something. Don't let the Shirou from the 2006 anime confused you... BigSimo said: [/b]i meant clueless in that he's completely unaware of rin's interest[/b] (beyond friendship) in him. when she goes all tsundere he's just like "i don't get it". thinking about it now though, it's not THAT bad. the typical roles are almost reversed when rin suggests the date and shirou is the one blushing and freaking out. but the part where rin puts glasses on him, for example, he's a little slow, just doesn't get the joke or why rin is doing all this stuff. i feel like it's made worse (for me anyway) in contrast to the great conversation they had the night before where they seemed really in-tune and relaxed and it felt natural. it's not about relativity. a ten minute date is a ten minute date, regardless of what comes before/after. generic montage dates are bad enough in romcoms. seeing them in a show that's about an epic holy grail war with lots of death and fighting and A LOT at stake is jarring and quite unnecessary. i'm not sure how they got closer. it may have appeared that they did, but nothing really changed in terms of their behavior (especially given all the crazy shit that followed), and the stuff they talked about on the date was of no consequence to anything; again, comparing it to their d&m the previous night, it feels kind of pointless. it's just a lot of blushing and laughing, but they're no closer to actually dating or anything like that. it doesn't progress their love life or their 'professional' (grail-related) relationship, nor does it give us viewers any valuable information, besides the apparent foreshadowing that i seem to have missed. rin realized all the important stuff about shirou the previous night. and yes, boring is subjective, but i think the above explains why i found it largely uninteresting. I think you really missed some really important points. :p - First, when they were eating, Shirou found out about Rin's true intention:making him feel better. He was completely aware that she liked him. And he made her blush. - When they are on the bus, Rin told him that he was slamming the break, not allowing himself to have fun. If you look back, it makes sense that he didn't go well with the flow of the date, isn't it? The purpose of the date is not about they acting natural and having fun. Its main purpose is to show us that Shirou is weird. If you look at it that way, everything makes sense. |
| Wow, a friendly discussion with anime-only viewer who started negatively but everything ended nicely for both parties? MAL is surely evolving! Ok, joking aside, I'm glad I've seen proper discussion like this taking place for once. I just want to say that I recommend rewatching 1st cour at some point before 2nd cour starts airing, taking care about not only what characters say but also their facial expression, gestures etc. UBW TV is a show full of subtle hints that are very easily to miss but which all build a story, sometimes even more than dialogues themselves. It's really easy to misinterpret something, for example why Shirou stopped Saber or purpose of the date (two things vocal majority complains most about for what I know), if you don't notice those subtleties or forget what happened in earlier episodes. Even more important, they all build up for the events of the 2nd cour, so forgetting them might devalue whole experience. And really guys, let's slam the brakes on the offtopicing, we're giving mods too much work to do in this subforum. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Was going to rate this an 8 or 9, and then LiSA started singing and it was a 10. Bring on the second half. |
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| I automatically assume anyone that doesn't know what the date was for misseda lot of what was going on in the show. Shirou teases Rin and she's not a 'generic' or 'typical' tsundere if you can look beyond the surface. |
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nocorras said: I automatically assume anyone that doesn't know what the date was for misseda lot of what was going on in the show. Shirou teases Rin and she's not a 'generic' or 'typical' tsundere if you can look beyond the surface. Evenmoreso, Rin is only tsun when she is getting trolled(most of times by Shirou) |
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| I've always thought Bigsimo was a bro. |
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Shintai said: fst said: Or maybe they just don't like Taiga. People who don't like Taiga literally have no soul. Not. Taiga(and Louise for that matter) is a horrible character, but her shitty annoyingness are part of the series, so the haters deal with it. Well, some do. antonn said: WrongPriest said: Is that Antonn with an extra n? You must be so angry at Antonn. We even have the same join date. Oh wow I didn't know we had the same join date too! Never looked. Haha, amusing! |
CookingPriest said: nocorras said: I automatically assume anyone that doesn't know what the date was for misseda lot of what was going on in the show. Shirou teases Rin and she's not a 'generic' or 'typical' tsundere if you can look beyond the surface. Evenmoreso, Rin is only tsun when she is getting trolled(most of times by Shirou) Well, even when Rin tells Archer that she will not give up on Shirou, she doesn't do that because she is a generic tsundere goes soft on her love interest or whatever. She does that for Archer. Well, people will soon see that everything she does has a big meaning behind. |
chickenonthepan said: Well, people will soon see that everything she does has a big meaning behind. We wish. |
HentaiPriest said: I missed a civilized argument? Who cares, I am still mad about my thread being nuked. Which thread was that? There's been quite a few nuked. |
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mitch3315 said: Was going to rate this an 8 or 9, and then LiSA started singing and it was a 10. Bring on the second half. +1 |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
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Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: I loose track. The fuck are you even talking about? |
Insertanamehere said: black1blade said: I loose track. The fuck are you even talking about? Of all the different threads and which conversations are in which... |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
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antonn said: Shrimperor said: ¿ there are 2 of you. who is the ? |
Shrimperor said: antonn said: ¿ there are 2 of you. who is the ? There's only one CG around here. |
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HentaiPriest said: I missed a civilized argument? Who cares, I am still mad about my thread being nuked. Don't worry, we all are. #occupyAD |
| Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. |
Taito10 said: I'm eager to hear what plotholes you found. Nor do I really know why Shirou should be dead...Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. |
Taito10 said: Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. Thanks IGN. |
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Taito10 said: You just signed your own death sentenceAnimation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
PriestSlayer said: Taito10 said: You just signed your own death sentenceAnimation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. I would like to think that, after how the Bigsimo convo went, that everyone would have a higher standard now. |
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insan3Inquisitor said: Well, let's see if the dude listens to Core's request and elaborates.PriestSlayer said: You just signed your own death sentence I would like to think that, after how the Bigsimo convo went, that everyone would have a higher standard now. |
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Taito10 said: Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. Just die already |
Taito10 said: Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. Name the plot holes StrayBotato said: insan3Inquisitor said: Well, let's see if the dude listens to Core's request and elaborates.I would like to think that, after how the Bigsimo convo went, that everyone would have a higher standard now. I wanna see this also. |
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SwordHand said: Not everyone's looking for a civilized conversation. As if it hasn't been made clear to you guys from day 1 lol This place can't handle a serious conversation. |
SwordHand said: Not everyone's looking for a civilized conversation. As if it hasn't been made clear to you guys from day 1 lol That's actually what I meant. fst said: SwordHand said: Not everyone's looking for a civilized conversation. As if it hasn't been made clear to you guys from day 1 lol This place can't handle a serious conversation. Read the last few pages. |
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fst said: SwordHand said: Not everyone's looking for a civilized conversation. As if it hasn't been made clear to you guys from day 1 lol This place can't handle a serious conversation. I disagree. There's been a few exchanges I've really enjoyed here; they're just pretty rare. |
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CapsuleCore said: He didnt elaborate every other single time why now?Taito10 said: I'm eager to hear what plotholes you found. Nor do I really know why Shirou should be dead...Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. |
HentaiPriest said: I don't know, I never give up hope.CapsuleCore said: He didnt elaborate every other single time why now?I'm eager to hear what plotholes you found. Nor do I really know why Shirou should be dead... |
| Complaining about plot holes at the mid-point of the story. I mean, really? =.= |
| I really don't know which one is more amusing; the fact that people always complain about things that aren't really plotholes (while there're indeed plotholes/asspulls in the VN), or that with all those plotholes, they still rate the series as "Very Good (8/10)". |
Taito10 said: Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. I agree with an overall 8/10, this hasn't been THAT great but still very good and enjoyable. Talking about plot holes, if there are any, there is a 2nd half to the series, as you know, so complain about potential plot holes when it's all finished. I really wish they made Heaven's Feel into a TV anime rather than UBW, I think that'd have been more interesting. But I guess they are doing this due to Archer's past, it'll explain a lot for those who don't know the story. But seriously, Dark Saber. |
antonnn said: they anounced Heaven's Feel in movie format at the same time they anounced UBW in TV format...and spoiler that shit!!!!Taito10 said: Animation and quality are very good but characters are really bad and this story has many plot holes. Shirou should be dead. Stupid plot armor. 8/10 I hope that second part will be better because I wont tolerate this bullishit anymore. I agree with an overall 8/10, this hasn't been THAT great but still very good and enjoyable. Talking about plot holes, if there are any, there is a 2nd half to the series, as you know, so complain about potential plot holes when it's all finished. I really wish they made Heaven's Feel into a TV anime rather than UBW, I think that'd have been more interesting. But I guess they are doing this due to Archer's past, it'll explain a lot for those who don't know the story. . |
MaloghurstJan 1, 2015 7:00 PM
antonnn said: I really wish they made Heaven's Feel into a TV anime rather than UBW, I think that'd have been more interesting. But I guess they are doing this due to Archer's past, it'll explain a lot for those who don't know the story. That wouldn't work. If HF was made into the Tv series instead of UBW, the complain about SoL scenes wouldn't stop at this degree. Also, Rider wouldn't be an only anti-climatic death at this point. Also, the pacing would be terrible. HF works better as movie(s). Note: Wait, you look familiar... |
| This Illusion playing got the biggest fanboy reaction from me out of the whole show thus far. Holy crap. Well, now to properly distract myself for the next few months until I can have more fanboy moments. |
Shocked said: This Illusion playing got the biggest fanboy reaction from me out of the whole show thus far. Holy crap. Well, now to properly distract myself for the next few months until I can have more fanboy moments. I understand what you mean, the viewers were the biggest problem the show even had, some of the complaints against it were downright absurd. Especially coming from those that talked about the series without knowing all the details. It was worse to see there complaints changing whenever their prior one got debunked. First the "shirou and FSN is sexist" complaint then there was the "this is exactly the same as the last series" complaint now there is the "there is to much SoL" complaint or the "they're just a bunch of highschoolers" complaint. I wonder what there complaints are going to be next cour, it seems like some people just don't want to enjoy the show. It's pretty ridiculous. We'll keep watching though, and it's popularity still seems to be pretty high up there so it's all good. |
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Kamipriest said: Shocked said: This Illusion playing got the biggest fanboy reaction from me out of the whole show thus far. Holy crap. Well, now to properly distract myself for the next few months until I can have more fanboy moments. I understand what you mean, the viewers were the biggest problem the show even had, some of the complaints against it were downright absurd. Especially coming from those that talked about the series without knowing all the details. It was worse to see there complaints changing whenever their prior one got debunked. First the "shirou and FSN is sexist" complaint then there was the "this is exactly the same as the last series" complaint now there is the "there is to much SoL" complaint or the "they're just a bunch of highschoolers" complaint. I wonder what there complaints are going to be next cour, it seems like some people just don't want to enjoy the show. It's pretty ridiculous. We'll keep watching though, and it's popularity still seems to be pretty high up there so it's all good. Yeah, pretty much. It's a wonder how it feels like to be swallowed up by minor complaints. I mean, pet peeves are one thing, but ruining one's own fun just through the oddest things...Eh. I'm not hoping for people to change their worldviews or none of that crap. I just want them to enjoy the budget flying everywhere. |
Shocked said: Kamipriest said: I understand what you mean, the viewers were the biggest problem the show even had, some of the complaints against it were downright absurd. Especially coming from those that talked about the series without knowing all the details. It was worse to see there complaints changing whenever their prior one got debunked. First the "shirou and FSN is sexist" complaint then there was the "this is exactly the same as the last series" complaint now there is the "there is to much SoL" complaint or the "they're just a bunch of highschoolers" complaint. I wonder what there complaints are going to be next cour, it seems like some people just don't want to enjoy the show. It's pretty ridiculous. We'll keep watching though, and it's popularity still seems to be pretty high up there so it's all good. Yeah, pretty much. It's a wonder how it feels like to be swallowed up by minor complaints. I mean, pet peeves are one thing, but ruining one's own fun just through the oddest things...Eh. I'm not hoping for people to change their worldviews or none of that crap. I just want them to enjoy the budget flying everywhere. Ikr I mean even if it isn't their personal preference that doesn't mean they can't enjoy it. |
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| Very enjoyable watch. Animation was top notch as expected from Ufo and the OST was decent to good. I expected more from the characters though since so far, Archer is the only one that really stands out. I am starting to like Shirou too, but I would just have preferred if the anime showed us his thought process more since right now I don't think I fully understand some of his actions and not in the "he's mysterious" kind of way. Rin is probably the only tsundere along with Kurisu and Asuka that I don't mind so that's a plus. It surprises me that Saber has 9000 favourites on this site since so far, she's probably one of if not the flattest character in the show for me. As for the plot, it just felt like a huge build up. Can the pay off be satisfying? Well, I'm waiting. Still, I think this anime could do better in the World building department. Is it just me or most informations are conveyed through long infodumps which overall become tiring in the long run? The fights also need to be interrupted less tbh. One or twice is okay but when it happens too often, most of them loose any value and the show seems to be favouring style over substance. I also hope that the pacing will be better in the second cour. Without these three hour long episodes, I'm sure the plot progression would've been abyssmal. Anyway, I'm really hyped for the second cour. I want to give this an 8/10 but I think I will just wait for the second season to make a final evaluation. |
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