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Kamipriest said: Haha i'm not, don't worry I'm just bored. Haha we will all be bored until april :( |
Kamipriest said: zacrathedemon5 said: It's called criticism. It's still just opinions. You find no value in them, I find plenty. I don't say they they should have been put in, or get angry if I don't get them though. It's a nice touch. You on the other hand are trying to say they shouldn't be included because of YOUR own preference. You nor I dictate what is justified and what isn't. Your opinions don't decide what should be included or what isn't. You have the option to ignore them if you dislike them. If you want to talk about what is necessary then the entire show isn't necessary, in fact the entire medium of entertainment isn't necessary. That doesn't mean it's a bother when it's there. Dude, calm down! Is it the use of the word "justified" that specifically made you upset? The way I meant it, it could be interchangeable with "necessary to the narrative". My point was, the episode would have flowed better and, as a result, told a better story if those first 10 minutes were abridged. They could have accomplished everything they accomplished in those first 10 minutes that was relevant to the story/characters/development/etc. in a much shorter time. |
Lolicon_Knight said: Kamipriest said: Haha i'm not, don't worry I'm just bored. Haha we will all be bored until april :( I know :( I still got a few VN's to read but I don't think they'll hold out that long zacrathedemon5 said: Kamipriest said: It's still just opinions. You find no value in them, I find plenty. I don't say they they should have been put in, or get angry if I don't get them though. It's a nice touch. You on the other hand are trying to say they shouldn't be included because of YOUR own preference. You nor I dictate what is justified and what isn't. Your opinions don't decide what should be included or what isn't. You have the option to ignore them if you dislike them. If you want to talk about what is necessary then the entire show isn't necessary, in fact the entire medium of entertainment isn't necessary. That doesn't mean it's a bother when it's there. Dude, calm down! Is it the use of the word "justified" that specifically made you upset? The way I meant it, it could be interchangeable with "necessary to the narrative". My point was, the episode would have flowed better and, as a result, told a better story if those first 10 minutes were abridged. Please, don't take it as a personal attack. It's not. I'm not, I'm just giving a counter argument. Like I stated those first ten minutes are an added bonus, the show is already twice the length of a normal show so there is no reason to complain about them. I understand your criticisms towards them, but I don't see how they're not justified. |
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Eniie said: Anyone could explain as to how Caster have gotten Shirou's seal, when he supposedly has no command seals at the time that she transferred? 1- Episode 1, First usage where he commanded Saber to stop attacking 2- Second usage was where he summoned Saber in the school during Rider's Attack 3- He ordered her to stop in the latest episode Yet she have 3(?) seals for saber. Simply because she didn't necessarily take Shirou's seals, she Nullified the contract between him and his servant. She then recreated the contract between herself and Saber. New Contract. New Seals. |
Eniie said: Anyone could explain as to how Caster have gotten Shirou's seal, when he supposedly has no command seals at the time that she transferred? 1- Episode 1, First usage where he commanded Saber to stop attacking 2- Second usage was where he summoned Saber in the school during Rider's Attack 3- He ordered her to stop in the latest episode Yet she have 3(?) seals for saber. I believe she created a new pact with saber therefore creating new seals. But I am not sure. |
| Her noble phantasm is called Rule Breaker. You get the idea. She creates fake command spells. |
| F/SN redeemed. 10/10. Best anime of 2014! And now I wait for part 2... |
| To be honest her noble fantasm is really op, imagine how many servants she could claim with that thing haha. |
Eniie said: Anyone could explain as to how Caster have gotten Shirou's seal, when he supposedly has no command seals at the time that she transferred? 1- Episode 1, First usage where he commanded Saber to stop attacking 2- Second usage was where he summoned Saber in the school during Rider's Attack 3- He ordered her to stop in the latest episode Yet she have 3(?) seals for saber. She renewed a contract in a way Rule breaker, Excess Mana Supply Theoritically any master could renew a contract if they had enough power to do it. Caster being from the Era of gods is able to do it because of that. She wasn't specifically named, but what Kotomine said should give you an Idea of who she is, basically she can break the rules of the grail war. |
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Kamipriest said: zacrathedemon5 said: Dude, calm down! Is it the use of the word "justified" that specifically made you upset? The way I meant it, it could be interchangeable with "necessary to the narrative". My point was, the episode would have flowed better and, as a result, told a better story if those first 10 minutes were abridged. Please, don't take it as a personal attack. It's not. I'm not, I'm just giving a counter argument. Like I stated those first ten minutes are an added bonus, the show is already twice the length of a normal show so there is no reason to complain about them. I understand your criticisms towards them, but I don't see how they're not justified. Ahh, so that's what you were mainly getting at, then. Don't focus too much on the word "justified" as I used it, I didn't place nearly as much weight or meaning on it as you seem to have interpreted. As for the "added bonus" aspect, that's what OVAs or specials outside the main show are for. As it is in the show now, it's just padding. What a show does with its time is important. Every extra minute spent on drawing out the date is a minute which could have been spent elsewhere furthering the plot, developing characters, etc. That's why I say it's wasted time in the narrative. |
Lolicon_Knight said: To be honest her noble fantasm is really op, imagine how many servants she could claim with that thing haha. It's pretty hard for her to use in combat, It being a short dagger and her being a caster an all. Still ridiculously strong though. Should be called Harem Maker instead of Rule Breaker though XD |
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zacrathedemon5 said: Ahh, so that's what you were mainly getting at, then. Don't focus too much on the word "justified" as I used it, I didn't place nearly as much weight or meaning on it as you seem to have interpreted. As for the "added bonus" aspect, that's what OVAs or specials outside the main show are for. As it is in the show now, it's just padding. What a show does with its time is important. Every extra minute spent on drawing out the date is a minute which could have been spent elsewhere furthering the plot, developing characters, etc. That's why I say it's wasted time in the narrative. Yea I understand why you would say that, but to me it's a nice added bonus kinda thing. Especially since it builds Tohsaka and Shirou's relationship which will be necessary for the second cour. It's like Fan service in shows people complain about them but to me I don't care, they don't add to the show nor do they take away from the show they're just there. For people who like it it's nice, for people who dislike it they could just ignore it that way both parties win. |
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| Regarding the preview: why did they keep Saber in a wedding dress? I mean, I get that the source material was an "adult" visual novel, and putting her in a wedding dress was likely meant to appeal to fans and whatnot, but with ufotable taking over and making everything better and less "adult" (in that sense, anyway), did they just keep the dress because it's part of the story, or...? Gah, I don't know, it just feels out of place. (Sorry for the run-on sentence.) |
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hawk222 said: Regarding the preview: why did they keep Saber in a wedding dress? I mean, I get that the source material was an "adult" visual novel, and putting her in a wedding dress was likely meant to appeal to fans and whatnot, but with ufotable taking over and making everything better and less "adult" (in that sense, anyway), did they just keep the dress because it's part of the story, or...? Gah, I don't know, it just feels out of place. (Sorry for the run-on sentence.) Not really a giga spoiler but |
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| This episode was just .... WOW. 'This illusion' in the end was soo nostalgic . Easily the anime of this year for me. 10/10 Cant wait for april. :D |
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crimson915 said: hawk222 said: Regarding the preview: why did they keep Saber in a wedding dress? I mean, I get that the source material was an "adult" visual novel, and putting her in a wedding dress was likely meant to appeal to fans and whatnot, but with ufotable taking over and making everything better and less "adult" (in that sense, anyway), did they just keep the dress because it's part of the story, or...? Gah, I don't know, it just feels out of place. (Sorry for the run-on sentence.) They can tone it down a bit, and it looks like they will. It's not like it adds nothing to the story, in my opinion. |
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crimson915 said: Lolicon_Knight said: To be honest her noble fantasm is really op, imagine how many servants she could claim with that thing haha. Caster's strength is as a long distance fighter, so her having a dagger meant for close range seems like a good way to balance her out. Almost like a joke to give her a close-range weapon when there are so many melee servants in the war. Which begs the question, is saber worthless as a servant I mean she gets her ass beat by everyone and of all people to out melee her is caster.... |
Lolicon_Knight said: Which begs the question, is saber worthless as a servant I mean she gets her ass beat by everyone and of all people to out melee her is caster.... I thought that only happened cause Emiya used a command seal on her causing her to freeze and Gave caster an opening :| |
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Charge97 said: Lolicon_Knight said: Which begs the question, is saber worthless as a servant I mean she gets her ass beat by everyone and of all people to out melee her is caster.... I thought that only happened cause Emiya used a command seal on her causing her to freeze and Gave caster an opening :| Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. |
Lolicon_Knight said: crimson915 said: Caster's strength is as a long distance fighter, so her having a dagger meant for close range seems like a good way to balance her out. Almost like a joke to give her a close-range weapon when there are so many melee servants in the war. Which begs the question, is saber worthless as a servant I mean she gets her ass beat by everyone and of all people to out melee her is caster.... She kicks a fair amount of ass in the fate route, so she kinda gets drop kicked into a well of being shat on for most of UBW. She still has her moments though. |
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Lolicon_Knight said: Charge97 said: I thought that only happened cause Emiya used a command seal on her causing her to freeze and Gave caster an opening :| Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. I hope you aren't talking about Shirou here? Was he supposed to just sit back and let Taiga die? |
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Lolicon_Knight said: Charge97 said: I thought that only happened cause Emiya used a command seal on her causing her to freeze and Gave caster an opening :| Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. Lol, get rekt Saiba. Shirou chose Taiga over you. |
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insan3Inquisitor said: Lolicon_Knight said: Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. I hope you aren't talking about Shirou here? Was he supposed to just sit back and let Taiga die? What was the point of using a command seal? also saber is an idiot for disobeying him. Archer should of been with rin the whole time and bam the whole thing would of been avoided but for some reason archer is never with rin haha but not that I mind its a good show. |
Lolicon_Knight said: Charge97 said: I thought that only happened cause Emiya used a command seal on her causing her to freeze and Gave caster an opening :| Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. If he didnt use a command spell Caster would have killed Taiga out of spite. |
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Raziel1991 said: Lolicon_Knight said: Ohhhhhhhh did he use a command seal, so thats what that was hahaha what a fucking idiot. If he didnt use a command spell Caster would have killed Taiga out of spite. I guess I am the only one who would rather of seen her die than saber turned into a puppet hahaha |
Lolicon_Knight said: Raziel1991 said: If he didnt use a command spell Caster would have killed Taiga out of spite. I guess I am the only one who would rather of seen her die than saber turned into a puppet hahaha Im sure you are not the only one but keep in mind that for Shirou Taiga is family. Charge97 said: spoilers Spoilers are not allowed in this thread even when tagged. |
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| Archer always come out late, I think he's meaning to give Shirou some lessons over his ideals. So much blush from Shirou and Tohsaka, hey they're cute, but innocent Saber is the cutest <3 |
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| I won't say it was the best thing ever for everyone, but it sure as hell was for me. I am a blind fanboy who sees no flaws in this show. This was great, I enjoyed every second of it and I hope s2 will be just as good. 9/10 |
| Everyones aloud different opinions which is chill but either way it was executed really well I mean I didnt hate anything about this episode other than the fact that it ended :( haha |
Raziel1991 said: Spoilers are not allowed in this thread even when tagged. Oh... Sorry didnt know. My bad. And yeah bottom line is that this anime was really well done. So kudos to Ufotable for that :D |
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Lolicon_Knight said: insan3Inquisitor said: I hope you aren't talking about Shirou here? Was he supposed to just sit back and let Taiga die? What was the point of using a command seal? also saber is an idiot for disobeying him. Archer should of been with rin the whole time and bam the whole thing would of been avoided but for some reason archer is never with rin haha but not that I mind its a good show. TO stop saber's attack that endangered Fujimura? Letting ARcher, who CONISTENTLY TRIED TO OFF SHIROU AND IS ACTING SUPER STRANGE, tag along? Now that would be stupid. |
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CookingPriest said: Lolicon_Knight said: What was the point of using a command seal? also saber is an idiot for disobeying him. Archer should of been with rin the whole time and bam the whole thing would of been avoided but for some reason archer is never with rin haha but not that I mind its a good show. TO stop saber's attack that endangered Fujimura? Letting ARcher, who CONISTENTLY TRIED TO OFF SHIROU AND IS ACTING SUPER STRANGE, tag along? Now that would be stupid. however the fact that saber started attacking caster rin or shiro could of done something to set whats her face free couldnt they? |
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Lolicon_Knight said: however the fact that saber started attacking caster rin or shiro could of done something to set whats her face free couldnt they? No. As Caster explained in the temple you can't dispel those threads with modern day magic. You need servant level attacks for that. Caster could dispell anything Rin or any magus in the world can do by coughing. |
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so no more shitty harem protagonist as mc in 2nd season? as he is out of the war now :D 1/10 needs more Illya |
| That was fucking amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| This illusion wass amazing. I love you ufotable. This lives up to the hype. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Why did Shiroe act like a dumb ass and stop Saber? Should have just let Tiger die. All she has ever done is force her way into his house and steal his food. Oh well. At least the useless pussy is out of the MC role. Looking forward to Rin taking over next season. |
| Man, that ending made me realize why I love the Fate series so much. Shirou has enough determination to spare, just like any other shonen protagonist, but here he FAILS. He realizes himself that he can only do so much. And that sets him on a path of destruction... |
| Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
Shrimperor said: so no more shitty harem protagonist as mc in 2nd season? as he is out of the war now :D 1/10 needs more Illya Actually no, he's still going to be there. |
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CookingPriest said: Lolicon_Knight said: however the fact that saber started attacking caster rin or shiro could of done something to set whats her face free couldnt they? No. As Caster explained in the temple you can't dispel those threads with modern day magic. You need servant level attacks for that. Caster could dispell anything Rin or any magus in the world can do by coughing. Thanks for clearing that up haha was still a bit confused. |
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