Psycho-Pass 2 Episode 8 Discussion

zerriet said:


After clarifying my thoughts for a while, I think what both you and darkrone said are sorta reasonable, albeit a little overblown at times.

The whole idea of Kamui being made of dead bodies may be seen as an expression of just many different organ transplants. Now, the key problem here is not that the explanation is totally unreasonable but it ventures on the lines of persuedo science ( hormonal control/cellular memory), thus it feel like an overstretch. Season 1 did a good job of not extending out of the safety zone in terms of logic, but I feel season 2 has 1 foot out of the door.

As for Mika, I know it is frustrating to watch her but I think another problem is that we viewers ( or at least season 1 veterans) knew from the start that the cheif is a tricky one to deal with. Put yourself in Mika's shoes and you would find that her thinking is rather reasonable, especially since she is such a stubborn follower of the system.

Well, at the very least, you guys did give some valid reasoning, so it would be unfair to just dismiss all of it as hating or whatsoever. I am just kind of shocked that some people were even asking the director to be fired since even though his writing is a little sketchy, i have seen much worse

Dysoth said:
Is it bad that I was laughing heartily at the last scene?

konatachan80 said:

The personality/individuality thing was said in the conversation between Sibyl and Makeshima in S1.
Considering the above, changing who's brain is in Kasei naturally changes how Kasei
behaves, no real surprise there.

Panopticon appears to be similar to Sibyl, but worse..for the people.
It seems to be alot more hands-on. Sibyl doesn't control planes etc, but based on the description
it seems Panopticon does (if the testrun is anything to go by).

Sibyl in general probably supports/ed Akane to a certain extent, but that doesn't mean that the brain
inside Kasei does the same. If it is the same brain as around S1 ep 18-19, then that one appeared
quite reluctant about revealing iteself to her.

RainbowIslands said:
I understand that Kasei acts differently depending on which personality is "downloaded" into the body. However, regarding serious decisions (such as explaining all information about Sybil), my understanding is that individuals personalities should answer to the central sybil system consensus. Double-checking the episode, Togane (mom) actually made the decision to tell all the information to Mika before she plugged into Sybil. I assume that it was because her son proposed it, and Kasei did also agree to let Togane (son) take care of Mika. As far as I can remember, the decision to tell everything to Akane was made by the central system, and which Kasei was explained the rationale.

This completely contradicts the following qualification from Sybil: You have to be able to oversee human actions from an outsider's viewpoint without aimlessly empathizing with others or letting your emotions cloud your judgement (quote Psycho-pass wiki (http://psychopass.wikia.com/wiki/Sibyl_System). If I remember correctly, Kasei became Makishima's professor in S1 because Sybil thought it was easier to convince Makishima to join in. Togane (mom)'s case here seems different. Obviously, Togane Foundation have separate goals than the rest of Sybil and I find the revelation that a brain in sybil can have their own agenda scary and wrong. Don't they share all their information?!


Regarding Panopticon
Panopticon, is based on fear that you are being tracked on every single movement. It doesn't work when the occupants don't care or when they realize that they are not tracked. In real life, it's not perfect because we have no efficient system to process all those data of every movement. People need to sleep and computers aren't smart enough yet. Even Sybil is run by human brains, not computers! My opinion is that Sybil > Panopticon because the system works without imposing fear and the general mostly agree that they are happy.

And this is where Synopticon (a system where the majority tracks minorities' every movement) comes in. I'll stop here. I can literally talk about this all day :S

b1GZZ said:
I thought they would have a stupid reason for him not to be detected by Sibyl System but I was wrong, nice job.

MarkusEA said:
I seem to have found out that I have a sickness called "being dumb"
There's plenty that I don't understand in this episode.

1. How/Why did the tougane foundation do the same experiment (attaching brains/body) to create a human on tougane, as they did on kamui?
2. Did Kasei always plan on removing akane? (after it was revealed to her that sibyl is just a bunch of asymptomatic brains) Through tougane? Why did the tougane foundation do experiments on him as a kid, if they brought him in now, as an adult, to try and remove kamui and tsunemori for having a very clear psycho-pass?
3.What exactly is the relation between the sybil system and the tougane foundation? If Kasei is touganes mother and she faked her own death, does that mean that she used to work for the touagens foundation, but later joined the cibyl system by putting her own brain in that cyborg and becoming "kasei" ?

And more, does she want to remove kamui and akane from the system because she's afraid they will someday expose the truth? I understand that she wants to remove kamui, but akane doesn't know about kasei having the brain of touganes mom, and togane working for cybil.

I feel so dumb right now =/ sorry xD

konatachan80 said:

1. Kasei is an outside representation of Sybil, it contains one of the brains, with the possibility of
attaching her/itself to the sybil system (side of her/its neck if I remember correctly).
Tougane was apparently an attempt to create a criminally asymptsomething person, but they
managed to do the opposite (recordbreaking PP).

2. As I mentioned above, that might be the plan of the brain in Kasei (Tougane's mom), but
probably not Sybil in general. Assuming it is the same brain as near the end of S1, that brain was
told that it/they/whatever decided to reveal the truth to Akane after it had been decided.

3. Not sure about the relation, but I'd say it's uncertain at this point if she (intentionally) faked
her death. She's apparently one of the brains in Sibyl, currently residing in Kasei.

MarkusEA said:


Thank you for the reply.
The way I see it, kamui is the second attempt at creating an "AA" personality, and this time it was a success. The plane-crash was planned, because the sibyl system was afraid of the panopticon-case. The Togane foundation took advantage of this to further their research. But as you said, it's uncertain how togane's mom got into the Sibyl system and how she "died". I understand that she transferred her son to her workplace as an enforcers dog, in order to dispose of kamui. She wants to bring down kamui so he doesn't reveal the sibyl system, which again will probably lead to giving the sibyl system, togane foundation (and her) a very f'ed up reputation.

So the question at hand is: how. How did she get her brain transplanted into Kasei? And why does she want akane dead? She knows about Sibyl (and follows them as a sheep) but she doesn't know about the toganes. I'm also concerned about the fact that Kamui being a lab-rat almost, why he wasn't under surveillance or something after "surgery". Did he escape from togane foundation?

Suzie said:

But Tougane's damn hot. That's the only good point left of this ridiculous pile of nonsense anime.

Rayzer said:
And Akane being targeted by Chief Kasei and Tougane is because she's considered as "threat" to Sybil System (since Season 1) because her "Psycho-Pass" can't be clouded for at least a little change no matter how they do to cloud her mind which was not really normal.

konatachan80 said:

Nah, that may be one of the reasons she was selected in the first place, in addition to being
extremely versatile as judged by Sibyl itself (the available jobs she could do), while not being
a threat towards Sybil even though she disagrees with just about everything Sybil does.
The reason for the latter is that she agrees that Sybil is needed in lack of something better, so she
can't/won't bring herself to reveal what Sybil actually is to anyone.

Tougane and Kasei is a different matter entirely as they seem to have their own agenda.

konatachan80 said:

How.. Not transplanted. I would assume it is done in a similar way as the others, you know those
boxed brains that were moved here and there, yes? But rather than a hole to put it in, it is put
into the droid (whatever you want to call it) that is Kasei.
I mean, if they can move them around and play switcheroo, then that shouldn't really be a surprise.
It has been said that they take turns on who controls (is in) Kasei.

Why.. Assuming most/everything in my earlier post is true, Kasei (Tougane's mom) may have decided
that Akane is a threat to her/its plans. I'm only guessing, Kasei may have wanted to use Tougane as a
make-believe "puppet" or something, but before that could happen Sibyl in general decided on Akane.

S1, ep 19, 15:18:

The last line goes a long way to indicate that whoever controls/is in Kasei is entirely separate from
the rest of Sybil unless it is connected through the cable.

Rayzer said:
No she's not selected. She just chose to be at MWPSB despite she fits on almost every job available.
Maybe you forgot that they are taking exams to know what job was for them. It's most like the same concept as the "Divergent" US Novel/Movie which they will take a test to know what faction they belong to.
And when it was discovered she's a "threat" to the Sybil System they chose to take a surveillance at first but if she become a serious threat they must eliminate her.

christinabunny said:
My most hated character finally gets it lol

When she was doing her report and writing awesome stuff I was like OMG WHAT'S HAPPENING SHE'S NOT BEING USELESS.. and then she ends it with blaming it on Akane like ALWAYS.. She's so freaking dumb. Learn from your superior who actually does shit unlike her and the freaking HOSTAGE situation before.

I'm glad with this ending. I hope she gets a hard slap in the face about the sibyl system.

*Claps*

aksa123 said:
Is Togane's mom asyptotic? Or did she just use the patented brain transplant technology to "merge" herself with Sibyl while faking her death?