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| I felt a bit underwhelmed with Kirito being the antagonist at the start, but he's been excellent the last few episode and keeps on getting better. Great episode 5/5. |
| very interesting episode |
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| Only thing that was interesting on this episode was Mika finding Akane's pictures on Togane's apartment. Anyway, what the hell is the point of this series. There is no way in hell Akane will kill Kamui when she captures him. She will most likely just give him to the Sybil system, just like she wanted to do with Shougo, and so far there is no one in the team with the balls to do so. I guess Mika will die soon as I find very unlikely that she will be able to tell anybody else what she found before Togane finds about it. I am not so sure Togane will like that she went into his apartment. |
jose21Nov 6, 2014 2:04 PM
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| Man this is just wicked good. I need some explanations though :P |
| Ahh, ok, now I know why everyone hates Mika..... She's really superstitious about Akane. xP Hmm..... So so! It turns out that Kamui.....is some hacker! :D Well, how else did he made it so that the Chicken Game controlled the Drones? Wow, that's stupid. xD Dumb way to actually kill people for no reason, but hey, he is the main villain, I guess? :P And! Mika finds something very......disturbing in Tougane's room...... |
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| Damn... some of these new characters (from this season) I bet are some key characters of past season. Many indications of plastic surgery happening all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if the new main villain and hero are some... interesting and unexpected characters. |
| This episode was awesome like always... Shisui's eye is now Kamui's right eye! (seems he knows well about transplanting and all) From what I understood He turned the game Hungry Chicken into a real game, where drones kills people...He's too smart for my tastes (even predicted that Akane will arrive in the place where people conduct military drone experiments) and that sentence "Game start, MWPSB" gave me chills but at the same time made me excited right away for the next episode ... That face transplant mask was creepy, so we can suppose that Kamui can change his face (the scar on his face witnesses it I think) Noticed that Mika is improving and not annoying as before, which is a good signal ahaha (liked the scene with Yayoi) Really surprising thing is Tougane's room; filled with photos and floppy about Akane (what are his real intentions???) Waiting for next week!!! |
| I'm a bit confused as to why or how they knew that Kamui would be at the drone warehourse. What did they do to figure that out? Did I miss something from a previous episode? |
psychoalchemist said: This episode kinda clinched how annoyed I am with this anime. Akane is like a lifeless doll, never showing any emotion and always following her "detective's intuition." A little bit of that intuition is nice, but it's simply not realistic for her to follow it 100% of the time. Even Kougami did extensive research and thinking on everything before deciding on a theory. And even though I disliked Makishima as a person, I liked him as the villain. He was smart and intuitive and rarely left holes. And he was kind of relatable too! But this Kamui guy makes no sense whatsoever, and he creeps me out. The writer of Ghost in the Shell is responsible for writing most of this season, and while I haven't seen GitS, apparently there are a lot of similarities. Kamui is a lot like the villain in GitS, like some sort of Jesus to his victims. And apparently that game scene in today's episode is straight out of GitS too. I'm really mad about that--is there no such thing as originality? Just in general, I feel like this season would have taken a different turn with Urobutcher in the driver's seat, and overall I'm pretty disappointed. I don't think that's going to turn up anytime soon. OMG you really did express everything I was thinking! About Akane and Tougane, it kinda understandable that he acts like a robot wthout emotions, bc well he is diffinetely up to something and is something or someone really mysterious so it's ok if they made him a robot image, but whats wrong with Akane?! I mean we all new somethings wrong with her when we saw it the past episodes how obsessed she became over Kougami, but not even a blink of an eye or step back she did when saw all this srm, leg and torsos hanging down. She walked in like it's a totally normal place not even looking at the cornors to make sure nobody is in the room! Sure this anime is fantasy but I didn't expect it to get that unrealistic! It's also seems like Akane is being pushed forward as a main character and the others become some unneeded side characters nobody would mind to die (even thought I would but it just feels that their sympethic features are fading, they just marrionettes)´... -_- Well that's the only thing I feel mad about in this Anime, I just wish they would focus on Akane so much or when then they should have given her better chracter -_- |
| How the actual fuck he does that ? I get this villian is unseen by scans but he's a master surgeon and appanrently also a computer genius too. Too OP for me. Togane seems like Sibyl's watchdog, no way he will let Akane get hurt. |
Kristina303 said: psychoalchemist said: This episode kinda clinched how annoyed I am with this anime. Akane is like a lifeless doll, never showing any emotion and always following her "detective's intuition." A little bit of that intuition is nice, but it's simply not realistic for her to follow it 100% of the time. Even Kougami did extensive research and thinking on everything before deciding on a theory. And even though I disliked Makishima as a person, I liked him as the villain. He was smart and intuitive and rarely left holes. And he was kind of relatable too! But this Kamui guy makes no sense whatsoever, and he creeps me out. The writer of Ghost in the Shell is responsible for writing most of this season, and while I haven't seen GitS, apparently there are a lot of similarities. Kamui is a lot like the villain in GitS, like some sort of Jesus to his victims. And apparently that game scene in today's episode is straight out of GitS too. I'm really mad about that--is there no such thing as originality? Just in general, I feel like this season would have taken a different turn with Urobutcher in the driver's seat, and overall I'm pretty disappointed. I don't think that's going to turn up anytime soon. OMG you really did express everything I was thinking! About Akane and Tougane, it kinda understandable that he acts like a robot wthout emotions, bc well he is diffinetely up to something and is something or someone really mysterious so it's ok if they made him a robot image, but whats wrong with Akane?! I mean we all new somethings wrong with her when we saw it the past episodes how obsessed she became over Kougami, but not even a blink of an eye or step back she did when saw all this srm, leg and torsos hanging down. She walked in like it's a totally normal place not even looking at the cornors to make sure nobody is in the room! Sure this anime is fantasy but I didn't expect it to get that unrealistic! It's also seems like Akane is being pushed forward as a main character and the others become some unneeded side characters nobody would mind to die (even thought I would but it just feels that their sympethic features are fading, they just marrionettes)´... -_- Well that's the only thing I feel mad about in this Anime, I just wish they would focus on Akane so much or when then they should have given her better chracter -_- Well, considering how much shit she has been trough the first season and never had her Hue clouded, I do see why her character is like that. |
JoksPacifist said: Togane seems like Sibyl's watchdog, no way he will let Akane get hurt. I think so. He probably joined Akane's team just to monitor her. Feeding information to Kasei for whatever reasons. Could it be "that thing" Kasei mentioned? |
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Alfonse said: I'm a bit confused as to why or how they knew that Kamui would be at the drone warehourse. What did they do to figure that out? Did I miss something from a previous episode? Anyone? :/ |
JoksPacifist said: How the actual fuck he does that ? I get this villian is unseen by scans but he's a master surgeon and appanrently also a computer genius too. Too OP for me. Togane seems like Sibyl's watchdog, no way he will let Akane get hurt. I think that Kamui is not human but rather something created by the Sybil System that possibly went rogue. Actually, he feels like a robot to me ^^; |
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| God... Are they even serious? The writing is lame. The first half of the episode is all talk. And apparently they don't know that you can make talking look spectacular too (like ZnK did, for example). And it's not that thay say many interesting things. I dunno, why this show believes that a character should always state aloud, what's going on. Like when they make that enforcer meet his former colleague, and then Gino says "Hey, he used to work here". Why do we have to hear him stating the obvious? Has it not just been shown? It's just a waste of screentime. Akane is boring. Yes, she is very stable mentally and she did question her humanity before, but that doesn't mean that she can't have slight hue fluctuations. Also that doesn't mean she can't talk back to Mika - and it's high time she did it, she should do it too, since she is her senior. Why didn't her hue balance change after what she has gone through in the previous season? Her room and habits show obvious degradation, why doesn't she care about her hue? Mika is stupid and irritating. They try so hard to make viewers hate her. Though I can't understand why the chief didn't try to use her. There're too many similar-looking characters again. Why do we even need to get to know the third division, if there're already two divisions of underdevelopped characters? The red haired guy has been coding silently for several episodes now, and he is supposed to be in the main cast. Gino could've been affected by the inspector's death more, especially since they had so much time to show boring stuff. He is an important character, dear to many fans - let him have a bit of time to for himself to grieve. In short, characterization sucks in this season. Well, what could I expect from the team, that thinks that "WC?" is a good signature for the main villain... And then there're plot holes... Why is Kamui able to use dominators? All dominators are controlled by Sybil, they should've locked down. And I don't know, why she doesn't track them. And that game... Seriously? What's the point? And it is a multiplayer game... *sigh* Btw, even Makishima had to use help of the Korean hacker, but now this Kamui guy does everything by himself - hacking, surgery, drugging people, everything. Is Tougane stupid? Why does he keep all this stuff in the open, if he is under investigators' supervision and his place can be checked at any time? And there're many thing like that. There wasn't many good moments to compensate for all this mess. Action is few and not too impressive, fanservice is not very engaging. I liked Tougane's red eyes, Kamui's hiding place and doctor's investigation at the end. That's all. |
deadoptimistNov 6, 2014 2:57 PM
| I found this episode confusing but it could be due to the fact I'm sick as a dog. I love that game though, a bit creepy but interesting. I'm a bit worried for Akane, that ending... |
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pokpokza said: i find it funny that you disregard the fact that kamui isn't "real" they always say that "ghost" shit like million times and he is wearing people face and have his pawn wearing face and imitate too lol he could be anyone in the serie ,his hacking ? he might be cheo guseng his charisma ? Is he Makishima? his hatred toward sibly , is he akari ? he might even be akane 's friend ... no not the one who die but the other one the one wearing glass, even the goddamn psych is so shady as heck, oh youknow what kqmui might even be sasayama XD We don't know what he is, so I treat him as a single person, the way he has been shown so far. There is no evidence that he operates on himself and we don't know how he evades scans. The latter detail is kinda cheap. It seems that he can completely disregard Sybil. It's a very powerful thing in their universe, so it's strange to see it asspulled without any hints ot explanation. Unless it is explained or at least acknowledged as very special, it's no better than to say that he is an alien. They shoul've either left him be a complete mystery, as he is for the inspectors, or given us some hints on what to expect from him - in order to make the encounters more tense. As of now he is a half-assed character. |
deadoptimistNov 6, 2014 3:20 PM
deadoptimist said: pokpokza said: i find it funny that you disregard the fact that kamui isn't "real" they always say that "ghost" shit like million times and he is wearing people face and have his pawn wearing face and imitate too lol he could be anyone in the serie ,his hacking ? he might be cheo guseng his charisma ? Is he Makishima? his hatred toward sibly , is he akari ? he might even be akane 's friend ... no not the one who die but the other one the one wearing glass, even the goddamn psych is so shady as heck, oh youknow what kqmui might even be sasayama XD We don't know what he is, so I treat him as a single person, the way he has been shown so far. There is no evidence that he operates on himself and we don't know how he evades scans. The latter detail is kinda cheap. It seems that he can completely disregard Sybil. It's a very powerful thing in their universe, so it's strange to see it asspulled without any hints ot explanation. Unless it is explained or at least acknowledged as very special, it's no better than to say that he is an alien. They shoul've either left him be a complete mystery, as he is for the inspectors, or given us some hints on what to expect from him - in order to make the encounters more tense. As of now he is a half-assed character. Well with name like Kirito, asspulls and half-assery is his speciality. Lol I'm sorry, I had to say that :P |
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Alfonse said: I'm a bit confused as to why or how they knew that Kamui would be at the drone warehourse. What did they do to figure that out? Did I miss something from a previous episode? It was never explained. They just so happened to pick this random location. Hell I don't even know how Togane found the Holo. So much crap in this show is left unexplained and pulled out of the writers ass. |
plushkin said: Well with name like Kirito, asspulls and half-assery is his speciality. Lol I'm sorry, I had to say that :P An OP villain named Kirito, who writes watercloset sign on walls... Each time I think about it, I don't know whether to laugh or to be in awe. Darkdrone said: It was never explained. They just so happened to pick this random location. Hell I don't even know how Togane found the Holo. So much crap in this show is left unexplained and pulled out of the writers ass. Maybe he is an accomplice?.. Otherwise it is silly - if an entrance is no needed, it is not built, especially in industrial architecture (firewalls, anyone?). |
deadoptimistNov 6, 2014 3:33 PM
| I wonder what all those things on Akane were about in Togane's desk. They kept flashing back and forth between those pictures and a picture of Togane as a kid with his mom. That makes me feel like maybe there is some family connection between Akane and Togane. Also, WHEN WILL KOGAMI COME BACK? |
| Oh wow... So much is starting. Now it's really getting good... Defunctional said: MissJaegerjaquez said: im so interested in why that enforcer had all those pictures of akane, alot blood this ep too. Those are typical things (circles on parts of face) that are seen at plastic surgery hospitals. I'm assuming Tougane's working undercover for Kamui and collecting data to make a "new" Akane. Haha, I almost feel the same thing, but I have trouble believing that Togane means bad... though, it would be interesting for the writers to show the consequences of Akane's overly trusting demeanor (and then the part where Sibyl seems to support Akane and say that Mika is going "to get eaten alive" because she follows the rules so much makes sense, since then Sibyl would be able to get rid of Akane with Akane's own methods. |
einonymousNov 6, 2014 3:45 PM
deadoptimist said: God... Are they even serious? The writing is lame. The first half of the episode is all talk. And apparently they don't know that you can make talking look spectacular too (like ZnK did, for example). ZnK? I find it a bit annoying that they are adding so many new characters, just so we can end up seeing them be killed, instead of just focusing on the new characters we actually have in division1. As for the whole Akane taking it to cool, I'm pretty sure Sibyl want to test to see, what exactly will affect her, since it is quite easy to see she are showing the same sign as Shougo. Pokpokza could you stop writing q instead of a? Also they knew this location from some kind of log, I think they mentioned something about finding a log on the drone, so I think that was it, if anyone can remember? |
mrdkrekaNov 6, 2014 3:45 PM
Darkdrone said: Alfonse said: I'm a bit confused as to why or how they knew that Kamui would be at the drone warehourse. What did they do to figure that out? Did I miss something from a previous episode? It was never explained. They just so happened to pick this random location. Hell I don't even know how Togane found the Holo. So much crap in this show is left unexplained and pulled out of the writers ass. Well Akane said that they had logs that led them to that place, but what logs is she talking about? |
mrdkreka said: ZnK? Zankyou no Terror. They had some nicely directed tense conversation there. mrdkreka said: As for the whole Akane taking it to cool, I'm pretty sure Sibyl want to test to see, what exactly will affect her, since it is quite easy to see she are showing the same sign as Shougo. That seems likely, though he was asymtomatic, while Akane has been simply very stable. I remember that in the first season there was a moment, when her hue went a bit darker (after her friend had been murdered). But maybe asymptomatic condition can be acquiered... I hope that the chief is not fascinated or obsessed with Akane. This kind of unnatural relationship ruined the last episodes in season 1 for me. |
deadoptimist said: Darkdrone said: It was never explained. They just so happened to pick this random location. Hell I don't even know how Togane found the Holo. So much crap in this show is left unexplained and pulled out of the writers ass. Maybe he is an accomplice?.. Otherwise it is silly - if an entrance is no needed, it is not built, especially in industrial architecture (firewalls, anyone?). Yea I'm not so sure how they found the location, but didn't it have to do with something from the first/second episode where the Drone had been modified or had missing parts. Maybe they pinned down the location to this military drone facility? Just a guess... Regarding the part of Togane finding the Holo building entrance. I have a feeling that he is "working" with Kamui. I mean there is the whole transplanting faces thing and the data and pictures that he has collected of Akane. But then there's also the question of the OP where u can see Chief Kasei walking down a hall and then she turns into Togane. Possibility that he may be part of Sibyl. So his identity is still a big question : / Still interesting nonetheless. |
XenoviusNov 6, 2014 4:19 PM
| This is no ordinary crime anymore.. nor massacre - this is full-fledged war! (I am still asking HOW can someone possibly do something like that on such large scale when Sibyl and Inspectors should have means to stop him fast but otherwise it was done well) HOW possibly can this game routed into top secret system came out? (I know Kamui worked with those engineers but...) Now I want to see Sybil's action after this one because this can't be ignored anymore. Some fast reaction needs to come. And Tougami sure is freak. Does he want to put Akane into situations where she will suffer? Why was he appointed to her unit in the first place? Was it intentional? Aren't they monitoring Enforcers' quarters? I'm still not sure why Sybil would make something this risky when everything can be achieved slowly but knowing who she IS I'm not surprised at all. I'm just surprised that Akane knows what she is yet she still relies on her taking no action. Can this all be will of Makishima's influence inside the system? Is Sybil maiking those massacres intentionally just for "fun" and self-improvement? (aka getting new brains) |
Alfonse said: I'm a bit confused as to why or how they knew that Kamui would be at the drone warehourse. What did they do to figure that out? Did I miss something from a previous episode? Well, they said that they would roughly know were he was (because of that phone call of that investigator who is with Kamui and such). And then they looked for a place where Kamui would have enough space, material, etc... where he could manipulate drones and try them out... At least, that's how it seems to me ;) Oh man, I can't tell whether Tougane is working with Sybil or Kamui. The OP and such actually say that he's working for Sybil but why does he want Akane to get a dark hue. Does he want to get rid of her (so far Sybil wouldn't want to do that) and replace her (you know, the photos and such...)?! Can't wait to know more about his past. So much hate for Mika :D ... Come on. You cannot make all the characters cool and awesome. Of course, some of her actions are too much but hey, they are trying to show that Akane's methods are the right way, just like they did it with Ginoza in the first season. This time it's a bit more overdone, though... But slowly it seems like Mika will end up like the boy who shouted wolf...nobody is going to believe her about Tougane and then she dies a "heroic" death... hahaha, ok, I'm fantasizing too much XD |
Tenko-sanNov 6, 2014 4:13 PM
Mich666 said: Is Sybil maiking those massacres intentionally just for "fun" and self-improvement? (aka getting new brains) Nice thought right there. If somehow Togane is part of Sibyl but also working with Kamui, maybe Sibyl is letting Kamui do all this so that he can obtain more knowledge about Sibyl and the system's flaws. Then when the time is right they'll add Kamui's brain to the system and try to make improvements. But making improvements to the system doesn't seem likely considering the system hasn't really changed even after all the chaos that happened in season 1 lol. |
| I'm so fucking confused What was that bit with ginoza in the beginning about?? |
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| Haha what if this had happened irl with like Angry Birds or Flappy Birds back when they were popular... Otherwise shitty episode. |
pls let it happen |
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lilypippili said: I'm so fucking confused What was that bit with ginoza in the beginning about?? If you mean him telling the guy to stay away from him, that's because he had a thing for the inspector the guy sniped. Quality dropped a lot, compared to the first season. I get the feeling, that most other inspectors are being showed to be douches merely to elevate the impact of Akane's actions. Mika's character feels all over the place. She keeps reporting Akane for her way of treating enforcers, but runs to spread her legs to Yayoi any chance she gets (might be exaggerating a bit). Also, someone should slap Akane's track record into her face, because she seems wholly unaware, that she basically held half the system on her back last season. Ginoza still has a stick up his beackside, though stopping to worry about his PP made ahim a bit lax. Tougame is probably the only fun addition to the group. He's a bit of a creep and slightly insane, but he seems to revel in that fact, making it his strength (as an enforcer, not necessarily as a character). Also, if anyone bothered to look at the photos of Akane, you might have noticed, that the text seems to be some kind of psycho-analytic lingo, meaining, that he might be obsessed with Akane due to her excellent mental health. Akane herself seems to have been given a "not time to explain, these are my deductions" power (basically making sometimes arbitrary-looking conclusions to move the plot along), but her being more confident is definetly an improvement. Also, I suspect, that she might be "criminally asympathetic" or whatever Makishima's condition was called last season (if you think about it, her PP went up to 159 [IIRC] and that too only happened, when she was watching her friend get killed again, apart from that, her PP rarely goes above 60 at any given time). |
GreenDragNov 6, 2014 4:50 PM
VanishingKira said: Haha what if this had happened irl with like Angry Birds or Flappy Birds back when they were popular I just imagined someone hitting metal barrier because I tapped it wrong thanks |
pokpokza said: deadoptimist said: We don't know what he is, so I treat him as a single person, the way he has been shown so far. There is no evidence that he operates on himself and we don't know how he evades scans. The latter detail is kinda cheap. It seems that he can completely disregard Sybil. It's a very powerful thing in their universe, so it's strange to see it asspulled without any hints ot explanation. Unless it is explained or at least acknowledged as very special, it's no better than to say that he is an alien. They shoul've either left him be a complete mystery, as he is for the inspectors, or given us some hints on what to expect from him - in order to make the encounters more tense. As of now he is a half-assed character. I really don't know about the whole complete mystery , what do you mean by that? i still think that kamui will be one of the missing link as it has been hint so many time , i bet on kagari or sasayma , they are 2 person that could consider as MIA I'd rather believe (like 10% or less) that he is a piece of Makishima than Kagari or Sasayama, really. |
Qualdrion said: I'm thinking that a: Tougane is working for Kamui and wants to impersonate Akane. or b: Both Kamui and Tougane are made by the sibyl system, but Kamui might have been imperfect and escaped, but still has some of the powers that the leader of the MWPSB has, like being able to change the mode on the dominator, etc. Also explains why he can't be seen by cymatic scanners (kind of). Tougane was a second prototype made to be a perfect enforcer so that they wouldn't have to use actual people as enforcer's, and his main task is to make sure Akane does what she is supposed to, as she already knows too much, while also getting her to catch Kamui without revealing that Kamui was made by the system. If you're talking about the end of the first episode, then no Kamui didn't change the mode of the dominator. Inspector Shisui was still holding the dominator, but Kamui put his hand over hers and forcibly made her pull the trigger. So it counted as Shisui doing the enforcement. Also now Kamui is able to use the dominator because he transplanted Inspector Shisui's eye into him. That was noticeable in the beginning of this episode where he used it to check Shisui's Hue. |
type-beta said: Alfonse said: They arrested the politician guy. They went through his past and found out some data that led them to think that location was somehow suspicious.Well Akane said that they had logs that led them to that place, but what logs is she talking about? For people complaining about the wall, many stated Tougane is probably affiliated to Kamui. So he clearly already knew of that wall and he brought Akane inside on purpose for whatever reason that we still don't know. type-beta said: Alfonse said: They arrested the politician guy. They went through his past and found out some data that led them to think that location was somehow suspicious.Well Akane said that they had logs that led them to that place, but what logs is she talking about? For people complaining about the wall, many stated Tougane is probably affiliated to Kamui. So he clearly already knew of that wall and he brought Akane inside on purpose for whatever reason that we still don't know. Xenovius said: Mich666 said: Is Sybil maiking those massacres intentionally just for "fun" and self-improvement? (aka getting new brains) Nice thought right there. If somehow Togane is part of Sibyl but also working with Kamui, maybe Sibyl is letting Kamui do all this so that he can obtain more knowledge about Sibyl and the system's flaws. Then when the time is right they'll add Kamui's brain to the system and try to make improvements. But making improvements to the system doesn't seem likely considering the system hasn't really changed even after all the chaos that happened in season 1 lol. Yeah I guess those explanations make sense, just wish they told it to us a bit better. |
Qualdrion said: Xenovius said: If you're talking about the end of the first episode, then no Kamui didn't change the mode of the dominator. Inspector Shisui was still holding the dominator, but Kamui put his hand over hers and forcibly made her pull the trigger. So it counted as Shisui doing the enforcement. Also now Kamui is able to use the dominator because he transplanted Inspector Shisui's eye into him. That was noticeable in the beginning of this episode where he used it to check Shisui's Hue. Why did it change to lethal eliminator though? Normally an enforcer would just be paralyzed. I mean, it might be due to the added stress in the situation, but it kind of looked like he did something magical to the dominator to make it kill. Yea I'm assuming it was the added stress and fear of the situation the Enforcer was in. Because he saw his Inspector getting hurt, dominator being pointed at him, and also his dominator wasn't registering Kamui as a target for enforcement. All that added up, his crime coefficient must have skyrocketed. |
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