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| dope as expected. gawd throughout the church scene I just wanted to scream out spoilers. I love the build-up. |
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| Kinda not surprised people think this is good pacing, but I personally think this is terrible pacing. The two conversations we got in this episode overlapped so much with each other. They also overlapped a lot with the prologue. How is it good pacing if they keep repeating the same information? Sure, Shirou doesn't know it, but we do, and in the end, that's what's important. The show can let us know that Shirou has been informed in one way or another, but to actually repeat the same things ain't cool. Either way, hopefully pacing picks up. It's just way too slow right now for very little setup unlike Fate/Zero where the slow pacing was the setup. |
| LOL at haters hating on dat Rin-service!!! One of my RL friends is a F/Z hater and a die-hard f/sn by DEEN defender. To him, and all of you haters I say this: your hate is childish and laughable; your arguments are nit-picky and pathetic. Grow up and accept that this is one of the best (if not THE best) animes this year, and do us all and yourself a huge favor and go watch your Girlfriend kari or something instead. |
Tengoku_no_hakai said: LOL at haters hating on dat Rin-service!!! One of my RL friends is a F/Z hater and a die-hard f/sn by DEEN defender. To him, and all of you haters I say this: your hate is childish and laughable; your arguments are nit-picky and pathetic. Grow up and accept that this is one of the best (if not THE best) animes this year, or do us all and yourself a huge favor and go watch your Girlfriend kari or something instead. You better be joking, because if you aren't, you're literally the reason that the Fate fanbase has such a bad rep. |
Miraclezify said: Tengoku_no_hakai said: LOL at haters hating on dat Rin-service!!! One of my RL friends is a F/Z hater and a die-hard f/sn by DEEN defender. To him, and all of you haters I say this: your hate is childish and laughable; your arguments are nit-picky and pathetic. Grow up and accept that this is one of the best (if not THE best) animes this year, or do us all and yourself a huge favor and go watch your Girlfriend kari or something instead. You better be joking, because if you aren't, you're literally the reason that the Fate fanbase has such a bad rep. LOL are you kidding me? I had no idea that I had such great influence on people. Honestly, I'm quite honored. thank you :) |
Miraclezify said: Tengoku_no_hakai said: LOL at haters hating on dat Rin-service!!! One of my RL friends is a F/Z hater and a die-hard f/sn by DEEN defender. To him, and all of you haters I say this: your hate is childish and laughable; your arguments are nit-picky and pathetic. Grow up and accept that this is one of the best (if not THE best) animes this year, or do us all and yourself a huge favor and go watch your Girlfriend kari or something instead. You better be joking, because if you aren't, you're literally the reason that the Fate fanbase has such a bad rep. Why would we want to associate with him. The mere mention of defending DEENight was more than enough. |
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Miraclezify said: Kinda not surprised people think this is good pacing, but I personally think this is terrible pacing. The two conversations we got in this episode overlapped so much with each other. They also overlapped a lot with the prologue. How is it good pacing if they keep repeating the same information? Sure, Shirou doesn't know it, but we do, and in the end, that's what's important. The show can let us know that Shirou has been informed in one way or another, but to actually repeat the same things ain't cool. Either way, hopefully pacing picks up. It's just way too slow right now for very little setup unlike Fate/Zero where the slow pacing was the setup. I honestly don't get this argument. Here's why the episode was not poorly paced: 1. The setting at Shirou's house needed to be established. We can't just have them run to the Church because that breaks with where the last episode ends. 2. It's debatable whether you can say info is being repeated too much because of the prologue. The question becomes whether you consider the prologue as a necessary part of the series (MAL apparently doesn't). Even if there is some overlap, it should be forgiven since it is a prologue after all. 3.The two dialogue scenes were needed because there is information that could not be conveyed in the other. It needed be discussed how Saber is not able to regenerate her magic - which could not have been done at the church. We also needed to establish Rin's relationship with Shirou. If they didn't have a quick talk about the situation, their development would come off as rushed. It goes without saying that the scene with Kotomine manipulating Shirou and talking about the past war needed to be at the church. 4. If you accept that the setting, Tohsaka's relationship with Shirou, and Saber's incomplete summoning needed to be established at Shirou's house, then we needed a quick run through of the Holy Grail war otherwise establishing any of this would make no sense. While not ideal, each of these scenes were necessary. |
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| as always a great episode! i liked the dark atmosphere that surrounded the church~ and next week we get the battle against berserker, this is going to be gooood. |
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mickdrew_99 said: Miraclezify said: Kinda not surprised people think this is good pacing, but I personally think this is terrible pacing. The two conversations we got in this episode overlapped so much with each other. They also overlapped a lot with the prologue. How is it good pacing if they keep repeating the same information? Sure, Shirou doesn't know it, but we do, and in the end, that's what's important. The show can let us know that Shirou has been informed in one way or another, but to actually repeat the same things ain't cool. Either way, hopefully pacing picks up. It's just way too slow right now for very little setup unlike Fate/Zero where the slow pacing was the setup. I honestly don't get this argument. Here's why the episode was not poorly paced: 1. The setting at Shirou's house needed to be established. We can't just have them run to the Church because that breaks with where the last episode ends. 2. It's debatable whether you can say info is being repeated too much because of the prologue. The question becomes whether you consider the prologue as a necessary part of the series (MAL apparently doesn't). Even if there is some overlap, it should be forgiven since it is a prologue after all. 3.The two dialogue scenes were needed because there is information that could not be conveyed in the other. It needed be discussed how Saber is not able to regenerate her magic - which could not have been done at the church. We also needed to establish Rin's relationship with Shirou. If they didn't have a quick talk about the situation, their development would come off as rushed. It goes without saying that the scene with Kotomine manipulating Shirou and talking about the past war needed to be at the church. 4. If you accept that the setting, Tohsaka's relationship with Shirou, and Saber's incomplete summoning needed to be established at Shirou's house, then we needed a quick run through of the Holy Grail war otherwise establishing any of this would make no sense. While not ideal, each of these scenes were necessary. Maybe they need a fancy way to say they think it's boring. But what do I know? I'm just eating it all up. |
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| Good episode, things were explained in a very straight forward manner. |
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Tengoku_no_hakai said: LOL are you kidding me? I had no idea that I had such great influence on people. Honestly, I'm quite honored. thank you :) I suppose it's easier to not deny your idiocy then to try defend your idiotic point right? mickdrew_99 said: I honestly don't get this argument. Here's why the episode was not poorly paced: 1. The setting at Shirou's house needed to be established. We can't just have them run to the Church because that breaks with where the last episode ends. 2. It's debatable whether you can say info is being repeated too much because of the prologue. The question becomes whether you consider the prologue as a necessary part of the series (MAL apparently doesn't). Even if there is some overlap, it should be forgiven since it is a prologue after all. 3.The two dialogue scenes were needed because there is information that could not be conveyed in the other. It needed be discussed how Saber is not able to regenerate her magic - which could not have been done at the church. We also needed to establish Rin's relationship with Shirou. If they didn't have a quick talk about the situation, their development would come off as rushed. It goes without saying that the scene with Kotomine manipulating Shirou and talking about the past war needed to be at the church. 4. If you accept that the setting, Tohsaka's relationship with Shirou, and Saber's incomplete summoning needed to be established at Shirou's house, then we needed a quick run through of the Holy Grail war otherwise establishing any of this would make no sense. While not ideal, each of these scenes were necessary. I get this, but I think it can be handled better At least you admit it's not ideal, but I disagree that the scenes are necessary. 1. I actually think they can do that. Small time skips are totally fine and it happens in many others shows, which dare I say, are more elegant in it's execution than this (though I'm sure many will disagree). They also could've gone without the infodumping at Shirou's place and have Rin say "I'll bring you to someone who can explain..." or something along those lines. 2. I get that the prologue is basically just fanservice, but why have it if you're going to have that information later? The prologue could've done with other things happening instead; heck even more slice of life stuff would've been preferable to repeating information just because it's repeating information. 3. I don't agree with the rushed development. They've known each other from before, and Rin seems to known Shirou more than he does her from the fact that she cried over his death. Development could easily have been done later on in the series when dynamics between characters start carrying the show. Goes back to my reply in point one where I think she could've just told Shirou to follow her to someone who can explain. I'd hardly call the conversation at home "quick" as well. It dragged a bit too much. You might call it character development, but honestly, I'm more convinced this is poor pacing. 4. I think this whole making sense thing doesn't really hold up. We have a 24+ episode show so we have plenty of time to explain things as they're needed. But I'm pretty sure they'll start repeating information later as it's needed as well. I dunno man, I just don't think a lot of this dialogue was needed now, but hey, if everyone else enjoys it, all the more power to them. Don't get me wrong, I like Fate, but I think pacing and dialogue is it's biggest weakness. |
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Miraclezify said: Kinda not surprised people think this is good pacing, but I personally think this is terrible pacing. The two conversations we got in this episode overlapped so much with each other. They also overlapped a lot with the prologue. How is it good pacing if they keep repeating the same information? Sure, Shirou doesn't know it, but we do, and in the end, that's what's important. The show can let us know that Shirou has been informed in one way or another, but to actually repeat the same things ain't cool. Either way, hopefully pacing picks up. It's just way too slow right now for very little setup unlike Fate/Zero where the slow pacing was the setup. To be honest, the issue is that you're not looking at these episodes as part of the whole series. F/Z also had some pretty slow episodes that did nothing but illustrate the background of certain characters. Did it matter to me though? Not really, because I watched everything after it finished airing. What may seem like poor pacing when you're dying to see the next episode is oftentimes perfectly fine when you watch several episodes in a row While I think they could have added a special touch to some specific parts of this episode and perhaps included the berserker fight at the end of it, they couldn't skip these 2 scenes. It would have been atrocious to do so. And I could be wrong, but it's possible that they didn't include the next battle because something else wouldn't line up properly later on. If you watched F/Z first, I'm sorry but that's your fault - as intended, F/SN is the starting point of the franchise, not the other way around. You're supposed to know as little as Shirou at this point. And if I were to compare the pace of these slower UBW episodes to the slow ones in F/Z, I'd pick UBW without a doubt. Keep in mind the series has just begun. Even if you don't like the pace for now, it's not like this is the new Steins;Gate - which ironically is still a master piece, in spite of its super slow start. |
FlamepriesTOct 18, 2014 10:45 PM
| Maaan too much explaining stuff |
Miraclezify said: I get this, but I think it can be handled better At least you admit it's not ideal, but I disagree that the scenes are necessary. 1. I actually think they can do that. Small time skips are totally fine and it happens in many others shows, which dare I say, are more elegant in it's execution than this (though I'm sure many will disagree). They also could've gone without the infodumping at Shirou's place and have Rin say "I'll bring you to someone who can explain..." or something along those lines. 2. I get that the prologue is basically just fanservice, but why have it if you're going to have that information later? The prologue could've done with other things happening instead; heck even more slice of life stuff would've been preferable to repeating information just because it's repeating information. 3. I don't agree with the rushed development. They've known each other from before, and Rin seems to known Shirou more than he does her from the fact that she cried over his death. Development could easily have been done later on in the series when dynamics between characters start carrying the show. Goes back to my reply in point one where I think she could've just told Shirou to follow her to someone who can explain. I'd hardly call the conversation at home "quick" as well. It dragged a bit too much. You might call it character development, but honestly, I'm more convinced this is poor pacing. 4. I think this whole making sense thing doesn't really hold up. We have a 24+ episode show so we have plenty of time to explain things as they're needed. But I'm pretty sure they'll start repeating information later as it's needed as well. I dunno man, I just don't think a lot of this dialogue was needed now, but hey, if everyone else enjoys it, all the more power to them. Don't get me wrong, I like Fate, but I think pacing and dialogue is it's biggest weakness. I do kind of get what you're saying, so to each their own I guess. There is such a thing as foreshadowing, though, and I don't think you can leave topics like Saber's incomplete summoning unaddressed until it becomes a problem. |
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| Rejoice! A little slower than the two previous ones, but with these characters and with this animation and those backgrounds everything is good. I can not wait for the next episode!! |
| This episode was a info dump episode. I enjoy it none the less, also that popular priest guy was in this episode. It seems that Saber and the priest are the most popular characters in Fate/stay night. Just going by from what I see in this thread. ;) 4/5 for this episode. |
| Raincoats calling back to Kara no Kyoukai, 4th Grail War nods, Circling, rejoicing, tsundere Rin, and a bit of Berserker. Not too shabby for an explanation episode. |
ShockedOct 18, 2014 11:56 PM
| I'm more surprised that the ranking has jumped to 15 at only 3 episodes (im including the prologue). That aside, Saber is getting her screen time makes me hope for Good Ending and not True Ending. |
| why every fsn ubw threads are very crowded with priest, baiters, haters, and stuff? well, a good episode at least. Quite infodump. |
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Shocked said: No it fucking does not. Every single thing in this episode was in the visual novel, which was certainlY NOT a sequel. |
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SanaeSnake said: JabonHR said: I swear to Sweet Buddha if that was a pun... I'm trying to come up of a reason why the title's called Fate/Stay Night! If you're a new viewer, you're not gonna find the reason. Cos the title comes from the first route that isn't being animated~~Ahh the irony, and joy, ofc. |
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CookingPriest said: Shocked said: No it fucking does not. Every single thing in this episode was in the visual novel, which was certainlY NOT a sequel. I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. |
mirakura said: SanaeSnake said: I'm trying to come up of a reason why the title's called Fate/Stay Night! If you're a new viewer, you're not gonna find the reason. Cos the title comes from the first route that isn't being animated~~Ahh the irony, and joy, ofc. Stop trying to misguide people. Its just engrish with meaning that Shocked said: CookingPriest said: No it fucking does not. Every single thing in this episode was in the visual novel, which was certainlY NOT a sequel. I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. ALso present in the VN in exact same fashion. |
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CookingPriest said: mirakura said: If you're a new viewer, you're not gonna find the reason. Cos the title comes from the first route that isn't being animated~~Ahh the irony, and joy, ofc. Stop trying to misguide people. Its just engrish with meaning that Shocked said: I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. ALso present in the VN in exact same fashion. Actually: Stay Night, click at own risk, no newbies allowed, unless you REALLY want to know |
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| It's still just Engrish. So a chapter/scene was named after the title, so what? |
| Damn I wished this episode is 40 minutes long. Very good for an infodump episode. Kotomine is finally revealed. Rejoice! Also, I like what they did with the preview. |
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CookingPriest said: Shocked said: I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. ALso present in the VN in exact same fashion. If that's the case, then I'm remembering the VN incorrectly. Checking back, yeah, it's there. I suppose it just felt more obvious when it's animated. |
CorePriest said: It's still just Engrish. So a chapter/scene was named after the title, so what? My point being they won't get the point of the title, 'magic happens in the night' is just a minor part of it. 1 sec, need to check the other routes quickly :3 |
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Shocked said: I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. I think that was actually really well done in the novel. The laugh was an interesting, subtle way to portray his reaction in the anime. But honestly, I don't think it trumps the novel... the way Kirei repeats Shirou's full name in the novel - "EMIYA... Shirou" - and follows it with a malicious grin is even better. If they had done that in the anime in addition to the laugh, it would have been the best though. Ironically, the other moment that was better in the novel was "Yorokobe Shounen". When he says that, it's just Shirou and him. Shirou notices his presence, then he turns around and Kirei is right behind him - that is, he is REALLY up-close in the novel. It was much creepier and remarkable than in the anime imo. But unfortunately, it was probably not remarkable for those watching the anime because it just wasn't that creepy. |
FlameseeK said: Shocked said: I realize that. To clarify, I was referring to the physical motions which aided the verbal disdain of the name "Emiya," which are difficult to get across in the VN format. I think that was actually really well done in the novel. The laugh was an interesting, subtle way to portray his reaction in the anime. But honestly, I don't think it trumps the novel... the way Kirei repeats Shirou's full name in the novel - "EMIYA... Shirou" - and follows it with a malicious grin is even better. If they had done that in the anime in addition to the laugh, it would have been the best though. Ironically, the other moment that was better in the novel was "Yorokobe Shounen". When he says that, it's just Shirou and him. Shirou notices his presence, then he turns around and Kirei is right behind him. It was much creepier and remarkable than in the anime imo. But unfortunately, it was probably not remarkable for those watching the anime because it just wasn't that creepy. And let's not forget the "Thanks to your weird face" Shirou says to Rin. |
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natsucule said: And let's not forget the "Thanks to your weird face" Shirou says to Rin. Oh, I remember that. But that was by far the least important thing to be faithful to imo. Kirei being creepy is what makes this scene so awesome. |
natsucule said: FlameseeK said: I think that was actually really well done in the novel. The laugh was an interesting, subtle way to portray his reaction in the anime. But honestly, I don't think it trumps the novel... the way Kirei repeats Shirou's full name in the novel - "EMIYA... Shirou" - and follows it with a malicious grin is even better. If they had done that in the anime in addition to the laugh, it would have been the best though. Ironically, the other moment that was better in the novel was "Yorokobe Shounen". When he says that, it's just Shirou and him. Shirou notices his presence, then he turns around and Kirei is right behind him. It was much creepier and remarkable than in the anime imo. But unfortunately, it was probably not remarkable for those watching the anime because it just wasn't that creepy. And let's not forget the "Thanks to your weird face" Shirou says to Rin. Lol. Dat duck face tho XDD |
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| I think I actually prefer the way the anime handled it, now that I've had some time to think about it. I like how dark the church is, Kirei's pacing, the shots of Archer and Saber, I even liked how the "Yorokobe Shounen" part was handled, and the bits of music from Fate/Zero. Never cared for the "weird face" line, so whatever. |
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5/5 Rin's ass is too perfect 4 me I literally don't see any problem with the pacing, but then again I'm just about starting the VN so I may be wrong. Next episode is action-packed it seems, can't wait. |
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| I really hope for true end. The good end sucks! |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| fuck ye berserker on the next episode and i made this a while ago lol  |
j0x said: fuck ye berserker on the next episode and i made this a while ago lol Hahahaha.. Amen, And I see you've been lurking the same forums as me XD |
| I was kinda hoping each episode would be 40 minutes long. Oh well. Looks like we got most of the background out of the way, so now its time for the action. Wonder how they are going to do. |
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j0x said: I saw it in a facebook post yesterday...fuck ye berserker on the next episode and i made this a while ago lol |
| I'M GONE NOW |
| It felt so short Sadly the OP seemed to have spoiled so much even if FSN is well known Ber-ser-car! |
SlothPriest said: j0x said: I saw it in a facebook post yesterday...fuck ye berserker on the next episode and i made this a while ago lol huh really i made this one myself though lol |
midnightblade said: 10 Hours later, I got this joke.CorePriest said:  Geez, the fanservice. Well maybe its ;D |
| Episode summary: RIN BEST GIRL this episode: 5/5 j0x said: fuck ye berserker on the next episode and i made this a while ago lol HAHAHAHA Seriously though, I'd be a proud dad in that situation. |
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CorePriest said: mirakura said: HOW can he tell berserker is greek?? It's gotta be the heterochromia and the abs. Because that's how Greek people look like. *eyesattheFakePriest* Where did that come from? mirakura said: Why are you guys making it so complicated?Shirou IS supplying her with mana, just not enough. @Miraclezify Dont you think that it is kinda pathetic to try to force yourself to repeat the same criticism in every ep? |
FakePriest said: CorePriest said: It's gotta be the heterochromia and the abs. Because that's how Greek people look like. *eyesattheFakePriest* Where did that come from? mirakura said: Why are you guys making it so complicated?Shirou IS supplying her with mana, just not enough. @Miraclezify Dont you think that it is kinda pathetic to try to force yourself to repeat the same criticism in every ep? |
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| I like reaction of Saber when she heard his last name is Emiya. She was like, what!! again?! |
mirakura said: FakePriest said: Why are you guys making it so complicated? Shirou IS supplying her with mana, just not enough. Just wanted to confirm Mirakura's spoiler, as I've just read the part in Fate route where Saber confirms it. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Eh, this is starting to be a waste of time. 4/10 for this episode. I'll give it two more episodes, and if it doesn't improve, I'll just drop it instead of wasting my time. |
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