Aldnoah.Zero Season One
Keten said: A_Lonely_Jedi said: Alive she is listed as a main character. I kind of hope they show that shes alive quickly though. I don't want her to appear like 8 episodes in, cause then I'd just go, "Oh look it's that girl who died that I don't really know, shes nice right?" lol I know what you mean. Also apparently a lot of people hate her after only 1 episode. lol |
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| ITT Lots of Urobutch n00bs who've only watched Madoka and F/Z and possibly P-P. |
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DawnJ said: ITT Lots of Urobutch n00bs who've only watched Madoka and F/Z and possibly P-P. I really could care less about Gen Urobuchi. I've been following mecha anime for longer than he's been an active writer so I'm viewing this series mainly through that lens as I'm watching it with the side commentary on Urobuchi mainly being a matter of the first three episodes and discussions about the script. It'd be nice if after he's done writing the scripts people stop trying to make it out like this is all about him and remember that this is a well tread genre with lots of history and that he's far from the first person to write about the kinds of themes, ideas and events that this series portrays in it's first episode. Keten said: skudoops said: I'm guessing berserk is the exception to your rule? Berserk does not use shock factor. It does not introduce characters just to kill them off in the same episode. Shock factor is when you start off a series with a bang killing off people before they get an ounce of development or connection to the viewer to introduce a sense of realism when it isn't actual realism. Berserk develops its characters beautifully and gives them human personalities instead of just blank generic archetypes that are only introduced to be killed. They have a connection to the viewer and gives the viewer time to get to know them so that you actually CARE if they die. Do not compare this to Berserk. This is where the better Gundam series succeed for me too and what this show is going to have to capture if it even wants a remote chance of standing in the same league as it let alone surpassing it somehow. I really think this series hand tied itself a little bit in the early going by "Nuking the princess" in the first episode because now it has really only two possibilities. One is for her to remain dead and thus have her be a total waste of a character other than as some sort of motivator for the actions of others or having her turn out to be alive thus subjecting itself to criticism of using one of the most disliked cliche plot devices of the greater mecha genre. Nuking the princess is something that should really have happened later on down the line, possibly towards the end of the first cour after we got to know a little bit more about her other than that she desires peace and treats everyone with dignity regardless of race or position which pretty much just puts her in line with the well worn pacifistic princess archetype. |
PeacingOutJul 7, 2014 8:56 PM
antonn said: She's alive, so she can die again later. Exactly. |
| Shes not even significant enough yet to die and there really shouldn't be any reason to think she is dead. And if she does die within this series she will have to have met the main character at least, otherwise she's just a wasted main character. |
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| Being listed as a main character on MAL doesn't mean shit. MasterDetective said: Shes not even significant enough yet to die and there really shouldn't be any reason to think she is dead. And if she does die within this series she will have to have met the main character at least, otherwise she's just a wasted main character. No significance of her dying? So I guess it didn't trigger the whole plot then. The main character doesn't have to interact with everyone either. |
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ReaperCreeper said: Being listed as a main character on MAL doesn't mean shit. But being presented as one of main three characters by official key arts is. And she isn't dead because they wouldn't design loli assistant for her if she was out of plot after episode 1. |
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bastek66 said: ReaperCreeper said: Being listed as a main character on MAL doesn't mean shit. But being presented as one of main three characters by official key arts is. And she isn't dead because they wouldn't design loli assistant for her if she was out of plot after episode 1. ^Exactly Unless she becomes some spirit person thing (which would be retarded) than I'm sure she is alive. |
| "Did you really think I wouldn’t cheat just because I was already winning?" - Dread Emperor Terribilis II "I chose glory and success. The box did not contain what was written on the lid." - Sand dan Glokta |
| Nothing can survive a direct missile strike like that. She has the best plot armor in anime history if I watch episode 2 and she's alive. |
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Hoppy said: There's this thing called using a decoy.Nothing can survive a direct missile strike like that. She has the best plot armor in anime history if I watch episode 2 and she's alive. |
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| She could have some sort of power, too. But the fact that we didn't see her face and the scene had a very weird angle, she most likely used a decoy, yeah. |
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Hoppy said: Nothing can survive a direct missile strike like that. She has the best plot armor in anime history if I watch episode 2 and she's alive. Never underestimate the power of plot armor, trumped only by the power of the deus ex machina. |
| It all depends on whether they're following the usual conventions (she's either alive or has a twin), or have decided to deliberately go against them. I'm hoping it's the latter. |
| Probably alive. |
| I hope she is alive or I might as well drop the whole series for being too kliche. |
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Keten said: skudoops said: I'm guessing berserk is the exception to your rule? Berserk does not use shock factor. It does not introduce characters just to kill them off in the same episode. Shock factor is when you start off a series with a bang killing off people before they get an ounce of development or connection to the viewer to introduce a sense of realism when it isn't actual realism. Berserk develops its characters beautifully and gives them human personalities instead of just blank generic archetypes that are only introduced to be killed. They have a connection to the viewer and gives the viewer time to get to know them so that you actually CARE if they die. Do not compare this to Berserk. However, Gut's new party could use some culling. The Golden Age Band of the Hawk members were wonderfully written though. |
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KazuhoYoshii said: However, Gut's new party could use some culling. The Golden Age Band of the Hawk members were wonderfully written though. Actually... Edit: Also, this isn't a Berserk Discussion. which is why I put this post in a spoiler. Don't wanna spoil it for anyone who wants to read. |
Tsalnor said: You are talking straight out of your ass. There's more to stories than your "SHOCK FACTOR". Her death is foreshadowed the entire fucking episode. Shock? It was to be expected, because her death is meant to move the fucking plot. Her death is the exact moment that the plot sets into motion. Suggesting that her death exists only to shock is ignorant and, frankly, conceited. Could you please not act like you're not impressed that the episode had this "poorly done shock factor"? Because it's not meant to shock you. -sigh- So glad people keep bringing it back to my opinion of the episode. Sheesh can't people just give an opinion, state why they feel that way and then leave it at that instead of taking it as a personal insult towards their enjoyment of something? Because it derails the topic, I will put it in a spoiler. Now, I have given my analysis again, even though I didn't want to really, because it completely derails this topic. Stop acting like I am somehow an incompetent boob just because I analyse things instead of just sitting back, watching an explosion and declaring the entire series a masterpiece based off the first episode. Just because you like something doesn't mean everyone else has to. Have a nice day. Edit: Also not claiming the show is shit. Calling a show shit based off the first episode is just as bad as declaring a show a masterpiece based off the first episode. The first episode just didn't impress me or get me interested. I am also sorry for including my opinion of the episode in my original post, shouldn't have done that and will keep my posts relevant from now on. |
KetenJul 11, 2014 4:21 AM
| How about instead of debating whether or not she is, we wait for future episodes to show us? |
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| Given the angle that the missile approached from, in combination with the velocity x mass / air density, and the propensity of the explosives within the missile chamber, I'm going to say this; I think the missile exploded real big and it was all like *kabooom* *bam* *shwooosh* and uh.... since the cameraman didn't film any evidence of the dead body, I'm gonna have to conclude that the meat in the McRib will remain a mystery. Oh and it was probably a conspiracy, like double agent shit and uhm... there was probably multiple gunmen. Yeah, that's right! Because right after that, some people in America got vaporized and it was like *BAM* *kaboom* *exploding sound* and everyone died. So uh, yeah, that's basically my summary for episode 1 of Aldnoah.Zero. |
Keten said: KazuhoYoshii said: However, Gut's new party could use some culling. The Golden Age Band of the Hawk members were wonderfully written though. Actually... Edit: Also, this isn't a Berserk Discussion. which is why I put this post in a spoiler. Don't wanna spoil it for anyone who wants to read. Well, I do identify with the crowd that thought Berserk went downhill. Berserk spoilers. |
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| And thus our suspicions are confirmed. Was anybody really surprised? |
fst said: Not in the slightest.And thus our suspicions are confirmed. Was anybody really surprised? |
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fst said: And thus our suspicions are confirmed. Was anybody really surprised? Not really. It was pretty obvious that she wasn't dead (tv trope #34785 no body = no death) |
| It was a rhetorical question but thanks for answering anyways. |
CaptainKatsuura said: So (episode 2 spoiler) fst said: And thus our suspicions are confirmed. Was anybody really surprised? Not really. It was pretty obvious that she wasn't dead (tv trope #34785 no body = no death) |
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Botato said: CaptainKatsuura said: So (episode 2 spoiler) Not really. It was pretty obvious that she wasn't dead (tv trope #34785 no body = no death) The matrix. No but seriously, I thought he disintegrated or something. |
Botato said: CaptainKatsuura said: So (episode 2 spoiler) Not really. It was pretty obvious that she wasn't dead (tv trope #34785 no body = no death) If that's how it works, then he's going to be buried under a mountain of bullets and infrastructure. |
| So he ends up dying anyway XD Oh well, I tried to save a poor character :| |
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Botato said: So he ends up dying anyway XD Oh well, I tried to save a poor character :| I'm not bothered. The cabbage merchant from avatar made a bigger impression with less screentime. |
fst said: Botato said: So he ends up dying anyway XD Oh well, I tried to save a poor character :| I'm not bothered. The cabbage merchant from avatar made a bigger impression with less screentime. Poor cabbage merchant couldn't catch a break could he; anyone would feel sorry for him :-p |
| Avatar sucks tho. |
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| An old poll but I doubt they would ressurect her once more. She is done for good this time as her story was effectively over with that little talk she had with Inaho before going out of her mecha. |
| SO, that's the third time they try to make us think the princess is dead... In 12 episodes! Bravo! |
| She better really be dead this time, but if they do a Guilty Crown on us in the second half, will anybody really be surprised? |
| She's probably alive, because that comment from the narrator (was it Yuki-nee?) would have been useless if not. It would be more interesting if she wasn't though. |
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| Hey this poll was from the series and not from the ending! She is dead and she better be dead for real! |
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