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ssjokg said: You try to relate him with a serial killer.The worst kind of people wouldnt sacrifice their FUTURE AMBITIONS for a girl that never liked them. This isnt a generic shounen.
No, I didn't. Reading comprehension. I'm not explaining it a third time.
No point in continuing this...IF you think that bringing up serial killers or worse in the discussion with Kayneth has nothing to do with him then there is no point in continuing this.
Ninah said:
Second of all I didnt say that Lancer deserved it but he had it coming with all that bullshit he kept saying,ignoring his Masters orders and virtually doing nothing to help Sola Ui who fell victim to his curse. So yes Kayneth been as ass towards him is justified.
Oh boy
That response doesnt refute that Lancer had that treatment coming. Unless if you think that people should be like Saints towards hypocrites that ruin their lives and dont care at all about that.
Ninah said:
No. Actually you are the one making him WAY worse than other MAsters, like Tokiomi,Kirei,Rider,Gil,Saber or even Ryunosuke.
Did I even mention Tokiomo, Kirei, Rider, Gil, Saber, and Ryunosuke in my original post? Did I call them anything? Do you know my opinion on them?
No, no, and no. I didn't make him "WAY worse" because I didn't make any comparison. I was talking about Kayneth alone.
THe whole series is filled with characters,Masters and Servants doing "despicable" acts.Yet you strongly voice your opinion ONLY for Kayneth.That you talk only about Kayneth shows that you didnt care that much about the others' actions.
ssjokg said: I didnt say that Lancer deserved it but he had it coming with all that bullshit he kept saying,ignoring his Masters orders and virtually doing nothing to help Sola Ui who fell victim to his curse.
Just curious but, what could he have done about what happened to Sola? Based on what he says in episode 4 of season 1, he can't do anything about the curse itself. When Sola got the command spells from Kayneth, he was very hesitant to allow her to become his master. Are you saying he should have flat out refused her? Would that even work? I mean, she did have command spells at that point...
Fai said: Kerry is hypocrite and a serial killer with one of the most dangerous mindsets.
I wouldn't call him a serial killer... Although he technically fits the FBI definition of serial killer (which, by the way, is extremely loose). I would argue that he doesn't kill for psychological gratification, ie. he doesn't enjoy killing, and therefore is not a serial killer in the traditional sense.
He's more of an... executioner. Except he also appoints himself as judge and jury. Which is as bad or worse than a serial killer.
Fai said: Kayneth at least had set of morals and rules he followed.
Ehh... I find that a bit tenuous, because you could say the same about Kiritsugu.
I am talking about before even that.He knew of his legend and curse and he should have warned Kayneth about ANY dangers concerning Sola.
You know...sending Sola away from him instead of keeping her 2 feet away from Lancer...
From what we saw/read his curse isnt instant but makes the victim more obsessed with him with each passing second.
At the very least, it would have prevented Sola from going crazy and stealing his Command Seals.
fst said: Just curious but, what could he have done about what happened to Sola? Based on what he says in episode 4 of season 1, he can't do anything about the curse itself. When Sola got the command spells from Kayneth, he was very hesitant to allow her to become his master. Are you saying he should have flat out refused her? Would that even work? I mean, she did have command spells at that point...
No, Lancer can't refuse Sola's Command Spells, but he never stated that she is his Master (besides, Sola wanted to use the Command Spells to "make him love [her]"). Something like "Accept me as your Master" is a waste anyway.
Although it did prove to be useful for Kirei's little games in the 5th War when he used this on Cu Chulainn.
But anyway, Sola is a trained magus because there was an inheritance crisis in the Nuada-Re (or was it the Sophia-Ri? One of those two families, whatever...) family with her and her brother and when it was resolved, it was decided that her brother would inherit the Magic Crest. However, because of the crisis and the fact that her family is one of the prominent houses, Sola-Ui received training and she can easily resist Lancer's curse, like Iri did, if she wanted to, but she didn't.
Kayneth and Lancer's relationship would have improved a lot if the both of them had a serious talk about Sola and their tactics right from the beginning. And keeping Sola away from Lancer wouldn't have been so dumb either. Their chances to win would have been great if Kayneth had forbidden Lancer to fight honorably and use a hit and run tactic with Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe to slowly cripple their opponents.
Ehh... I find that a bit tenuous, because you could say the same about Kiritsugu.
I'll second this. I also want to add that Kirei actually has strong morals too, thanks to his upbringing. He doesn't mind Kiritsugu's wish for world peace. All he wanted is someone similar to him who can understand him. No one ever did, so perhaps the Grail would know the answer.
Well, Shirou does understand him and vice versa. That's why they can like each other.
ssjokg said: I am talking about before even that.He knew of his legend and curse and he should have warned Kayneth about ANY dangers concerning Sola.
You know...sending Sola away from him instead of keeping her 2 feet away from Lancer...
From what we saw/read his curse isnt instant but makes the victim more obsessed with him with each passing second.
At the very least, it would have prevented Sola from going crazy and stealing his Command Seals.
Kayneth is, I'm sure, aware of Diarmuid's legend. Nevertheless, it appears the first sign of trouble did not appear until after they arrived in Fuyuki. Kayneth thought that Sola loved him and that she had enough magical power to resist the curse, so there was no reason for him to expect there to be any problem there. His (misplaced) confidence is evident in how he made Sola a secondary master.
Sending her away after the fact would be an option but by then...
Well, from what I gather of your reply, there isn't much that Lancer could have done.
C-Core said: Their chances to win would have been great if Kayneth had forbidden Lancer to fight honorably and use a hit and run tactic with Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe to slowly cripple their opponents.
Diarmuid would hate that... though it is a good tactic, forcing a servant to use a tactic he despises to fight a battle of attrition... I can't see that working well.
C-Core said: Their chances to win would have been great if Kayneth had forbidden Lancer to fight honorably and use a hit and run tactic with Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe to slowly cripple their opponents.
Diarmuid would hate that... though it is a good tactic, forcing a servant to use a tactic he despises to fight a battle of attrition... I can't see that working well.
I'm not sure he would. All he wanted was to be loyal to his master. I think if he hadn't met Saber and they never had their HONOR and CHIVALRY talk, he would be fine with any plan as long as it's not out right evil.
fst said: Kayneth is, I'm sure, aware of Diarmuid's legend. Nevertheless, it appears the first sign of trouble did not appear until after they arrived in Fuyuki. Kayneth thought that Sola loved him and that she had enough magical power to resist the curse, so there was no reason for him to expect there to be any problem there. His (misplaced) confidence is evident in how he made Sola a secondary master.
Sending her away after the fact would be an option but by then...
Well, from what I gather of your reply, there isn't much that Lancer could have done.
Oh, the reason why they lost is their bad relationship, Sola only made it worse. So yes, both Kayneth and Lancer could have done something. Another reason for their loss is of course what Kayneth expected in the Holy Grail War. Basically, if Kayneth had bothered to gather information like Kirei/Tokiomi or Kiritsugu, he would have tried his best to avoid the Einzberns.
fst said:
C-Core said: Their chances to win would have been great if Kayneth had forbidden Lancer to fight honorably and use a hit and run tactic with Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe to slowly cripple their opponents.
Diarmuid would hate that... though it is a good tactic, forcing a servant to use a tactic he despises to fight a battle of attrition... I can't see that working well.
Sure, he would hate that, but serving his Master loyally takes first priority. I think maybe he and Kayneth could have reached a compromise like "kill all the other Servants with this tactic, then you can go have fun and fight honorably with Saber if you like". Though since Saber's Master is Kiritsugu, this would have ended badly one way or another.
Here's a nice summary of Kayneth from the Fate/Zero Material book, translated by food.
food said: Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi [Name]
Kayneth demonstrated genius level talent during his time as a student. He was the youngest lecturer to grace the podium of the Department of Evocation in its history. His skills were not only in research, but also politics. Due to his great lineage, he had extensive connections. He was expected to form the greatest faction in the Clock Tower.
He did not participate in the Holy Grail War due to necessity or duress, it was merely to add a splash of "martial prowess" to his life's story. That was it. Although he did not severely underestimate the Three Founding Houses, he did boast that Lord El-Melloi could overwhelm them by skills alone.
The reason Kayneth brought many dangerous Formal Wears had nothing to do with research, but for entertainment value. Kayneth had talents not only in Spirit Evocation, but also in many fields of magecraft. He was really a man of many talents like Gennai Hiraga or Cao Cao.
Kayneth even considered the Heroic Spirits ---- Servants, to be part of his stock of Formal Wears. Because he never acknowledged the humanity of Servants, he did not understand Diarmuid's loyalty even until the very end. As a result, he effectively lost through self-destruction.
However, Diarmuid was not choosey of his Master, he would acknowledge anyone who would accept his loyalty. As a result, he did not understand Kayneth as a person either. If Diarmuid really appreciated Kayneth's talents and experience, then Kayneth would have treated him with a much softer attitude.
To Kayneth, unable to bond with his Servant was the second most unfortunate event at the worst. The most unfortunate event by far was encountering Emiya Kiritsugu. Although as a mage, Kayneth won by an enormous margin, as a killer, he was miles behind Kiritsugu. It was inevitable that Kayneth would lose in a melee such as the Holy Grail War. Because of Kayneth's sudden death, his many valuable research accumulated in the Cloak Tower was unorganized and left unattended. Although they were almost lost, the most useless formal student suddenly appeared to save the day. He had an unusual talent of "could not put magecraft to practice, but ingenious in the reinterpretation of theories and classification of systems". This student eventually compiled a tome named "Lord Kayneth's Encyclopedia of Arcane Secrets", which laid the foundation for the flourishing of House El-Melloi and its descendants.
By the way, in the Fourth Holy Grail War, the following strategy would insure the absolute victory of Team Lancer:
-Kayneth must not let his Servant recognize such things as honour on the battle field or knights' pride. He must let Diarmuid realize that the Holy Grail War was merely dirty chores that needed to be done.
-In order to fulfill the previous item, Kayneth must avoid any contact between Diarmuid and Sabre with his best effort.
-In combat, Kayneth must prioritize securing an exit. In a battle, missions would be considered accomplished if Diarmuid scored one hit with Gae Buidhe. Repeat this tactic, and exhaust all hostile teams.
-Capitalize on Team Berserker. Team Berserker was a powerful enemy against all other teams, but Lancer had an advantage due to compatibility. It would be optimal to let Berserker destroy the other teams and reach the finale. He could then be defeated at that point.
Edit: Btw, I didn't even mention we never saw what Diarmuid's swords Moralltach and Beagalltach could do in the 4th War. He actually still had them as Lancer, but decided not to use them.
Botato said: I'm not sure he would. All he wanted was to be loyal to his master.
Yea... you know, it's such a simple desire, but time and time again he's repeatedly shown that he's just so bad at it.
C-Core said:
fst said: Kayneth is, I'm sure, aware of Diarmuid's legend. Nevertheless, it appears the first sign of trouble did not appear until after they arrived in Fuyuki. Kayneth thought that Sola loved him and that she had enough magical power to resist the curse, so there was no reason for him to expect there to be any problem there. His (misplaced) confidence is evident in how he made Sola a secondary master.
Sending her away after the fact would be an option but by then...
Well, from what I gather of your reply, there isn't much that Lancer could have done.
Oh, the reason why they lost is their bad relationship, Sola only made it worse. So yes, both Kayneth and Lancer could have done something. Another reason for their loss is of course what Kayneth expected in the Holy Grail War. Basically, if Kayneth had bothered to gather information like Kirei/Tokiomi or Kiritsugu, he would have tried his best to avoid the Einzberns.
fst said:
C-Core said: Their chances to win would have been great if Kayneth had forbidden Lancer to fight honorably and use a hit and run tactic with Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe to slowly cripple their opponents.
Diarmuid would hate that... though it is a good tactic, forcing a servant to use a tactic he despises to fight a battle of attrition... I can't see that working well.
Sure, he would hate that, but serving his Master loyally takes first priority. I think maybe he and Kayneth could have reached a compromise like "kill all the other Servants with this tactic, then you can go have fun and fight honorably with Saber if you like". Though since Saber's Master is Kiritsugu, this would have ended badly one way or another.
Here's a nice summary of Kayneth from the Fate/Zero Material book, translated by food.
food said: Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi [Name]
Kayneth demonstrated genius level talent during his time as a student. He was the youngest lecturer to grace the podium of the Department of Evocation in its history. His skills were not only in research, but also politics. Due to his great lineage, he had extensive connections. He was expected to form the greatest faction in the Clock Tower.
He did not participate in the Holy Grail War due to necessity or duress, it was merely to add a splash of "martial prowess" to his life's story. That was it. Although he did not severely underestimate the Three Founding Houses, he did boast that Lord El-Melloi could overwhelm them by skills alone.
The reason Kayneth brought many dangerous Formal Wears had nothing to do with research, but for entertainment value. Kayneth had talents not only in Spirit Evocation, but also in many fields of magecraft. He was really a man of many talents like Gennai Hiraga or Cao Cao.
Kayneth even considered the Heroic Spirits ---- Servants, to be part of his stock of Formal Wears. Because he never acknowledged the humanity of Servants, he did not understand Diarmuid's loyalty even until the very end. As a result, he effectively lost through self-destruction.
However, Diarmuid was not choosey of his Master, he would acknowledge anyone who would accept his loyalty. As a result, he did not understand Kayneth as a person either. If Diarmuid really appreciated Kayneth's talents and experience, then Kayneth would have treated him with a much softer attitude.
To Kayneth, unable to bond with his Servant was the second most unfortunate event at the worst. The most unfortunate event by far was encountering Emiya Kiritsugu. Although as a mage, Kayneth won by an enormous margin, as a killer, he was miles behind Kiritsugu. It was inevitable that Kayneth would lose in a melee such as the Holy Grail War. Because of Kayneth's sudden death, his many valuable research accumulated in the Cloak Tower was unorganized and left unattended. Although they were almost lost, the most useless formal student suddenly appeared to save the day. He had an unusual talent of "could not put magecraft to practice, but ingenious in the reinterpretation of theories and classification of systems". This student eventually compiled a tome named "Lord Kayneth's Encyclopedia of Arcane Secrets", which laid the foundation for the flourishing of House El-Melloi and its descendants.
By the way, in the Fourth Holy Grail War, the following strategy would insure the absolute victory of Team Lancer:
-Kayneth must not let his Servant recognize such things as honour on the battle field or knights' pride. He must let Diarmuid realize that the Holy Grail War was merely dirty chores that needed to be done.
-In order to fulfill the previous item, Kayneth must avoid any contact between Diarmuid and Sabre with his best effort.
-In combat, Kayneth must prioritize securing an exit. In a battle, missions would be considered accomplished if Diarmuid scored one hit with Gae Buidhe. Repeat this tactic, and exhaust all hostile teams.
-Capitalize on Team Berserker. Team Berserker was a powerful enemy against all other teams, but Lancer had an advantage due to compatibility. It would be optimal to let Berserker destroy the other teams and reach the finale. He could then be defeated at that point.
Edit: Btw, I didn't even mention we never saw what Diarmuid's swords Moralltach and Beagalltach could do in the 4th War. He actually still had them as Lancer, but decided not to use them.
Ok, that makes sense. In that sense then, all that shit with Sola is just another issue that blew up because of them not understanding each other.
Kirei's morals are the morals he was taught, while becoming a priest.
His existence and nature are unfit for the rest of the world, not his morals. It makes him not-happy that what actually makes him happy and brings him joy is the absolute opposite of what he was taught is "right" and "good". He is aware of this clash and that is exactly why he is looking for a purpose in his life.
Edit: Btw, Fai, this is a discussion about episode 16. Spoiler tag the parts that haven't happened yet.
Edit: Btw, I didn't even mention we never saw what Diarmuid's swords Moralltach and Beagalltach could do in the 4th War. He actually still had them as Lancer, but decided not to use them.
I thought he didn't have them, due to class restriction.
Edit: Btw, I didn't even mention we never saw what Diarmuid's swords Moralltach and Beagalltach could do in the 4th War. He actually still had them as Lancer, but decided not to use them.
I thought he didn't have them, due to class restriction.
I dont know if he had them or not(most likely he had them since Archer and Gild dont really have a problem..) but I a m certain that I read somewhere that he is better with them(or one of them)....If that is actually true then he is a dumbass.
Edit: Btw, I didn't even mention we never saw what Diarmuid's swords Moralltach and Beagalltach could do in the 4th War. He actually still had them as Lancer, but decided not to use them.
I thought he didn't have them, due to class restriction.
The only class that will heavily limit the Servant's Noble Phantasms is Berserker, though Artoria is an exception. As she is a living incomplete Heroic Spirit, who made a contract with the world, she will only be summoned with the Noble Phantasms she really possesses at that time (Invisible Air and Excalibur) and she will only be summoned as Saber, even though King Arthur did possess other things that would become her Noble Phantasms like the spear Rhongomynyad, Caliburn or Avalon.
Urobuchi said in an interview that Diarmuid simply didn't want to use his swords.
Q: Lancer did not use Moralltach and Beagalltach in this War, was it because he did not listen to his wife's advice? Would Beagalltach indeed be useful?
Gen: Diarmuid is a Nice Guy who pays attention to the social situation, I think wielding a sword when he was already in the Lancer Class would be really unbecoming of him.
This time his wife did not give him advice, because he only had a substitute wife, called Kayneth.
Edit: Might want to add, the classes do define partially the Noble Phantasms of the Servant, besides fame in the country they were summoned. Cu Chulainn possesses a ton of Noble Phantasms and he would have them all... if they were in Ireland. Heracles gets his bow Nine Lives as an Archer, but its technique can be used with any other weapon, so he can still use Nine Lives as Saber or Lancer too. Karna's (Lancer of Red) NP Brahmastra takes a different form as a Lancer class, than it does as an Archer class, too. There are a few Riders in Fate who can be summoned as some other class, yet they still possess their spears and bows Noble Phantasms as Rider.
This has to be the best episode of this anime so far! Everything there was just right, Lancer dismissal, Sola and Keneth's death and Kiritsugu x Saber conversation quarrel. The writing was very clever, twists were great and execution was nearly perfect. Both had their points and at the same time, both were wrong. I really enjoyed this one.
For Saber to call Emiya Champion of Justice and for him to finally acknowledge her being even for a second and look into her eyes for a moment, that was the most intense scene of this show.
The only thing left unexplored was Sola's past. But for Keyneth to actually sacrifice his goal for her, that's more than words could say. Kiritsugu, on the other hand, is evil himself as he is actually willing to face damnation and sacrifice Irisveil for his distant dream. There is no redemption for him.
Slowly, Iri is getting overburdened by weight she cannot hold... that's just sad. How long she can bear? One? Two at best? The end is near.
Sola-Ui's story is pretty boring. She's not an important character, so her story was kept in material books, probably because there is no place where her story would have fit.
In short, being part of a prestigious family, the Nuada-Re family, she was aware of magic anyway and because of a power struggle inside the family, Sola-Ui was also trained as a magus to potentially receive the Magic Crest, as they feared the heir, her older brother, would be assassinated. The conflict was resolved, her brother got the Crest and Sola-Ui became nothing more than a political tool.
Her father, the head of the spiritual evocation division of the Clock Tower, then arranged a marriage between his best student, Kayneth, and Sola-Ui, to strengthen the family.
To add to that, she has no real love for Kayneth (though that's obvious) but she nevertheless accepts the arranged marriage for the good of both families as well as being a reasonably comfortable if not ideal fate for herself.
Kayneth, on the other hand, legitimately loves her, as you can probably tell.
fst said: To add to that, she has no real love for Kayneth (though that's obvious) but she nevertheless accepts the arranged marriage for the good of both families as well as being a reasonably comfortable if not ideal fate for herself.
It's actually more like she didn't care. Sola-Ui was pushed around all the time anyway, so she felt indifferent to the arrangement. Before she fell under Diarmuid's curse, she was very emotionless.
Fate/Zero said: [...]To be perfectly frank, she didn't even understand what "likes" and "dislikes" were in the first place. While it's certainly true that she always selfishly toyed with those around her, that was simply because it was ingrained in her from a very young age that acting in a way that would preserve her value as a noble was the secret to success in life.
Sola-Ui herself had never truly wanted or hoped for something even once since being born. Consequently, she didn't care one bit whether the attraction caused by Diarmuid's mystic face was real love or not.
Kiritsugu don't give a flying fuck about honor damn...
That scene where Kenneth and his wife got shot was harsh, even though I'm rewatching it now.
Yeah Kiritsugus argument makes some sense in the long run, if he's trying to save the world and make sure people don't have to suffer anymore. But its just the means he uses to achieve his end are really cruel.. he's like a Utilitarian in terms of philosophy, he wants the greatest happiness for the greatest amount of people, so he has no problem sacrificing some lives in Holy Grail War to save many more lives I suppose.
But why Lancer????!!! WHYYY D:!!!! He did not deserve this, being Lancer is suffering after all. Jesus...Kiritsugu you shit hole! Suddenly I find myself supporting Kirei and wishing he killed Maiya T_T, I finally came into liking Kiritsugu after listening to the Drama CD of Season One. But goddammit Kiritsugu..
ssjokg said: I will nenver understand this thought process.
Kiritsugu's or SithNoKami's?
Anyone that comments like this about Kiritsugu at this moment.What is so different from the attack in Kayneth's hotel?Wouldn't all 3 of them had died if he had succeeded?
Is it so evil that two knights didnt get to finish their duel?
ssjokg said: I will nenver understand this thought process.
Kiritsugu's or SithNoKami's?
Anyone that comments like this about Kiritsugu at this moment.What is so different from the attack in Kayneth's hotel?Wouldn't all 3 of them had died if he had succeeded?
Is it so evil that two knights didnt get to finish their duel?
It is shitting on the knights' honors and sullying the name of chivalry, so it is three times as evil at least.
b1GZZ said: It's sad to see Lancer aka Diarmuid dying this way. Damn Kiritsugu for underestimating cavaliers honor and for being a heartless retarded :/
Arent you the one that overestimates honor and underestimates the situation?
so this is the episode where I realize that Kiritsugu is the fucking GREATEST OF ALL TIME. flawless episode and truly, truly amazing. His exchange with Saber at the end was amazing too. 10/10 dialogue in this series.
oh yeah, and apparently Gurobutcher excels at writing memorable death scenes. I thought Ryuunosuke's death last episode was something special... well, it was, but so were the deaths this episode. Lancer's sudden suicide came as a shock to me, and him cursing everybody as he died was fucking powerful. So was Kayneth crawling on the ground begging, "Please kill me."
Zadion said: so this is the episode where I realize that Kiritsugu is the fucking GREATEST OF ALL TIME. flawless episode and truly, truly amazing. His exchange with Saber at the end was amazing too. 10/10 dialogue in this series.
oh yeah, and apparently Gurobutcher excels at writing memorable death scenes. I thought Ryuunosuke's death last episode was something special... well, it was, but so were the deaths this episode. Lancer's sudden suicide came as a shock to me, and him cursing everybody as he died was fucking powerful. So was Kayneth crawling on the ground begging, "Please kill me."
Oh heavens this cour is so going to be 10/10.
I'm pretty sure
Kirei described to Shirou already how Kiritsugu used family to get a Master, got rid of the Servant and then of the Master who, crawling on the floor, begged him to die, in Heaven's Feel. Kiritsugu's character and cruelty was Nasu's idea. So was Kayneth's death scene. It was mentioned in FSN, so Urobuchi had to add it in.
Just here to say that this was perhaps the best episode of anything anime I've seen in my life (ok I may be exaggerating, but IT'S PRETTY DAMN CLOSE). Absolutely perfect episode.
Zadion said: so this is the episode where I realize that Kiritsugu is the fucking GREATEST OF ALL TIME. flawless episode and truly, truly amazing. His exchange with Saber at the end was amazing too. 10/10 dialogue in this series.
oh yeah, and apparently Gurobutcher excels at writing memorable death scenes. I thought Ryuunosuke's death last episode was something special... well, it was, but so were the deaths this episode. Lancer's sudden suicide came as a shock to me, and him cursing everybody as he died was fucking powerful. So was Kayneth crawling on the ground begging, "Please kill me."
Oh heavens this cour is so going to be 10/10.
I'm pretty sure
Kirei described to Shirou already how Kiritsugu used family to get a Master, got rid of the Servant and then of the Master who, crawling on the floor, begged him to die, in Heaven's Feel. Kiritsugu's character and cruelty was Nasu's idea. So was Kayneth's death scene. It was mentioned in FSN, so Urobuchi had to add it in.
Ah yeah... I totally forgot about this one. That makes it even more powerful tbh.
Great episode!
One of the most beautiful pages is written in this episode, the plot is very interesting to see is really interesting developments.
Narrative is so cruel and sad to be amazed, because of its beauty.
Great duel, alternating with explanations that make it all but a little complicated to follow.
Drawings and animations as excellent quality, the TV series is growing in value.
wtf Lancer didnt kill Caster, Saber did. Why is Archibald getting the reward?
Holy Fuck. That was a bastard move Kiritsugu. Honestly I thought Archibald wouldve let his fiancee die so he could continue the Grail War. But he agreed. Then the fucking bastard Kiritsugu gets around the contract by having the other girl kill them. No longer my favorite underdog hero.