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GalekC said: Ratohnhaketon said: When I saw this I thought Hisoka was going to go bonkers and start making orgasm noises about how his ripe fruit was spoiled. Funny that you mention that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOmeTSDARGA - SKIP to 7:50 (This is from the 1999 OVA adaptation of the ending of this arc) Holy moly, that Hisoka and his lust for fights :p. I was a bit worried about his voice in the original version but he sounds just as sensual as ever. The confrontation between him and Chrollo was cool though, I liked that attack with the card and it just sweeping away at the last moment. |
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GoldenBRS said: A great end arc. Thought there will be a fight, but that is okay. Man, that was sad scene when she had to kill all the members in the Trope including herself. Was a good run for them. Lol! Hisoka taken his shirt off, and left the fight because he isn't interested to his horny battle he keep thinking when he gets excited. Man, he is such a awesome guy. Greed Island huh, I curious on why people was excited for this to happen. No complains, but just wondering that question. Hope it will be good just like the last one. 5/5 People were excited for the arc after it Greed Island is ok I guess |
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| Greed Island is basically like Heaven's Arena. Anyway, to commemorate your guys' completion of this arc, here's a cool Manga/1999/2011 Anime comparison video of one of tensest moments from it. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZthf-ZaLw |
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GoldenBRS said: Actually,people is excited for the Chimera ant arc,that comes after Greed Island. GI is enjoyable,but nothing more. Instead,Chimera Ant arc is awesome,and it's way darker than Yorkshin City arc.Greed Island huh, I curious on why people was excited for this to happen. |
| http://i50.tinypic.com/2a0hjd5.gif Kurapika is the MAN! |
| hisoka's reaction was funny,i remember he was screaming of anger in the original anyway bittersweet ending for the arc this really is the 2nd best shounen out there |
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GoldenBRS said: A great end arc. Thought there will be a fight, but that is okay. Man, that was sad scene when she had to kill all the members in the Trope including herself. Was a good run for them. Lol! Hisoka taken his shirt off, and left the fight because he isn't interested to his horny battle he keep thinking when he gets excited. Man, he is such a awesome guy. Greed Island huh, I curious on why people was excited for this to happen. No complains, but just wondering that question. Hope it will be good just like the last one. 5/5 she didn't kill all the members wtf is wrong with you?jesus some people watch something and don't understand a thing |
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| Wow. What a pathetic end. So let me summarize what happened so far. We watched one of the main characters talk about a group of barbarians of how they killed his tribe, including some children, for 58 episodes. And we've ACTUALLY seen those barbarians kill THOUSANDS of people, create pools of blood, terrorise a whole city, shoot police, run over people with cars, vacuum clean them, etc. all sort of inhuman things. We also got to see the main protagonist to face them and actually accuse them of being cold blooded mass murderers. So what else supposed to be there for them to be completely wiped out? I expected a complete annahilation of Phantom Troupe and I had all the right to expect so... Then suddenly a couple of them have FEELINGS?!? And a ridiculous exchange is decided? And then they just let them go? And no one complains about this? WOW. Just WOW. At least Hisoka could kill a half of them. And only one of them dies? And possibly the least "evil"? How is this supposed to be satisfying? Not to mention "trolling" of Hisoka-Chrolla war. I'm not even gonna talk about of how PT was suddenly so strong, or why did they wait to get rich so long or how on earth are the mafia so weak or how the kid who punched probably the most powerful "spider" was suddenly so powerless against rest or how shadow beasts were so powerless considering they were the ultimate leverage of the mafia for tens and probably hundreds of years. I'm not even gonna talk about of how everyone knew about Nen and yet still no one knew about it when story needed some directions... You know... I was drawn back to shounen with HxH... but now I see this ending... I'm back to square one. This is just ridiculously ignoring all the mechanics of the show and the characters. This is just beyond ridiculous. There were also some other ridiculous things with this thing called "arc", but I could accept them one way or the other.. but this ending? This is just unacceptable. I guess you really don't care about the characters. I wish this arc never happened. I'm not rejecting I didn't have fun at times (esp. at 52) but this lowered the story's quality one level below. Such different-toned changes in a story is just making a story as a whole unconvincing and unworthy. Seeing the fact that writers are that unable to write a more complete, more connected story without such change is pathetic. Sorry, no matter what you call some thing, "arc"s, "part" or whatever.. a story MUST be whole and you can't cut it to pieces. And spare me the lectures, I completed Bleach a while ago, I'm not new to this... this is fundamentally wrong. And this is why some don't take anime so seriously. |
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Prequel said: snip All this walls of text boils down "I'm not paying attention but let me just write these and let you guys know how shounen should be and how this arc should end". |
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Prequel said: Wow. What a pathetic end. So let me summarize what happened so far. We watched one of the main characters talk about a group of barbarians of how they killed his tribe, including some children, for 58 episodes. And we've ACTUALLY seen those barbarians kill THOUSANDS of people, create pools of blood, terrorise a whole city, shoot police, run over people with cars, vacuum clean them, etc. all sort of inhuman things. We also got to see the main protagonist to face them and actually accuse them of being cold blooded mass murderers. So what else supposed to be there for them to be completely wiped out? I expected a complete annahilation of Phantom Troupe and I had all the right to expect so... Then suddenly a couple of them have FEELINGS?!? And a ridiculous exchange is decided? And then they just let them go? And no one complains about this? WOW. Just WOW. At least Hisoka could kill a half of them. And only one of them dies? And possibly the least "evil"? How is this supposed to be satisfying? Not to mention "trolling" of Hisoka-Chrolla war. I'm not even gonna talk about of how PT was suddenly so strong, or why did they wait to get rich so long or how on earth are the mafia so weak or how the kid who punched probably the most powerful "spider" was suddenly so powerless against rest or how shadow beasts were so powerless considering they were the ultimate leverage of the mafia for tens and probably hundreds of years. I'm not even gonna talk about of how everyone knew about Nen and yet still no one knew about it when story needed some directions... You know... I was drawn back to shounen with HxH... but now I see this ending... I'm back to square one. This is just ridiculously ignoring all the mechanics of the show and the characters. This is just beyond ridiculous. There were also some other ridiculous things with this thing called "arc", but I could accept them one way or the other.. but this ending? This is just unacceptable. I guess you really don't care about the characters. I wish this arc never happened. I'm not rejecting I didn't have fun at times (esp. at 52) but this lowered the story's quality one level below. Such different-toned changes in a story is just making a story as a whole unconvincing and unworthy. Seeing the fact that writers are that unable to write a more complete, more connected story without such change is pathetic. Sorry, no matter what you call some thing, "arc"s, "part" or whatever.. a story MUST be whole and you can't cut it to pieces. And spare me the lectures, I completed Bleach a while ago, I'm not new to this... this is fundamentally wrong. And this is why some don't take anime so seriously. Some people would agree with you on how this arc ended. And I, in fact, agree with how you think this was an anti-climatic ending but there is more to a story than the ending and this arc of HxH incorporates writing techniques that should be acknowledged. Let's take what you said after your summary. Just because the Phantom Troupe members have murders thousands of people and are the goal of revenge for one of the main protagonists does NOT mean that they "should be completely wiped out." That is unrealistic. I suspect you've already noticed that HxH has logic and strategy in its fights. There are distinct tiers in power. And as you put it, the Phantom Troupe members are powerful (you mentioned how we are never introduced to how they are so strong, yes, that is something I wish the author did elaborate on, but think about all the other mainstream anime as well as mainstream books like the popular Harry Potter. It is never explained how Voldemort is so powerful). Now, with extremely powerful Nen users, even Kurapika would not be able to stand up to them. You have not seen the full power of all the Troupe members, but reach episode 96 and you'll realize how powerful most of the members are. Kurapika would not stand a chance to members like Feitan. And even in this arc, I think Kurapika was lucky. He killed Pakunoda, who is arguably not a combat oriented member, and Uvo who is the perfect target for his ability. If Kurapika fought any of the other members (excluding Kortopi), he would probably have major issues. With that explanation, it should be painfully obvious that if Kurapika did annihilate all the Troupe members, that would be extremely unrealistic. To your next point, I don't see why villains having feelings is bad. If you think about other shounens, most villains do not get such a subtle kind of development. They always have some sort of random sad backstory that makes the audience feel bad for them or nothing at all. The Phantom Troupe members are slowly being shown as human. Just because they killed thousands of people means they don't have feelings? EVERYONE has feelings. As for complaining, Kurapika knows what's important; he's acting like an adult. He has a job as a bodyguard and he is going to use that job to get back his tribe's scarlet eyes. Killing the Phantom Troupe members is not his only goal and if he slips up and gets fired, he will probably never get another chance to find his tribe's scarlet eyes. And the Phantom Troupe members themselves are adults, so they should not be complaining. Lastly, sure, stories should have a concrete end but is that realistic? I'll go back to the Harry Potter example in hopes you have read it (and since you mentioned how some people don't take anime seriously because it's divided into arcs). Every Harry Potter book is essentially an arc in a large picture. But think about the ending for most of those "arcs." In more than one, Harry defeats the main villain and everything is nice and happy. That is extremely unrealistic. On top of that, no one complains about the arc-like style Harry Potter has (which is even more disjointed than most transitions between shounen arcs). That's simply because Harry Potter has the comfort of being a series that can skip over the boring summer that Harry experiences every year without making it obvious (manga and anime do not have that luxury because of how short each manga volumes are). To conclude, yes this arc's ending is anti-climatic, but I do hope that you can see the writing techniques in here and the logic that makes this ending more than suitable. Not everything is about making the reader/watcher satisfied; writing is an art, and if you read literary fiction, you'll realize that. HxH, in my opinion, is a combination of mainstream writing with literary writing, it incorporates techniques that most mainstream books/anime/manga don't have (specifically the realism) and that's what makes it powerful. |
| Great episode and damn I wanted to see Hisoka and Chrollo fight, looking forward to Greed Island though :).I really liked Pakunoda too bad she's dead now :(. |
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FullmetalHagane said: Prepare for a slightly rushed plethora of exposition throughout that arc.Great episode and damn I wanted to see Hisoka and Chrollo fight, looking forward to Greed Island though :).I really liked Pakunoda too bad she's dead now :(. Take this advice as you may.... |
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| i actually agree with some of the criticisms in that i was left largely unsatisfied and rather confused at the end of this arc. my basic problem boiled down to - "wait, but they're still around? i mean, two people died and the boss is temporarily powerless, but like, pretty much nothing changed from when they first assembled." then i realized that it was my mentality. im used to villain per arc, so my approach to the phantom troupe was that theyd be wiped out by the end of this arc. i wasnt sure how that was gonna happen, but it was my assumption. therefore i was nonplussed and felt like the whole arc had been a waste of time. if i let go of those assumptions, i guess the end of the arc is more satisfying. the mcs were hopelessly outclassed and the best they couldve done is temporarily restrain the troupe. there was no way they could have realistically beat 13 worldclass nen users. when i stop seeing the troupe as villains-to-beat and rather just as characters, i appreciate the development that the group underwent, and am totally excited to see them later in the series. the only real thing i cant get over is whether kurapika considers the revenge over with. cause really, his revenge was not resolved. the whole situation became so convoluted that he never really achieved any progress, and i hope this is dealt with by the show. it feels like a waste of time because it was definitely a waste of kurapika's efforts - but again, not a waste of time when you realize the troupe are semi-permanent cast members. |
| I get the feeling this isn't the last we'll see of these guys. |
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unexpected123 said: hahah yeah! and also when Killua and Gon met Phinks and Feitan in the auction hall... damn!hisoka's face!!!!!! well at least Chrollo is now useless.. so Greed Island arc next!! |
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cantius said: This arc teased way too much... I hope this sets up an explosive conclusion. Haven't you learned till now that it's not cliche like other shounen of this type? This makes it unpredictable and fun to watch, at least for me. Plus in real life does it always go as you expect something to go? Everyone would expect Kurapika to fight against every Spider member but no. Plans change, situations change, emotions and motivations change and people sometimes change too. So I like that in HxH things end in a anticlimatic manner. |
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cantius said: Just be glad you didn't have to sit through the slower OVA to reach the arc's conclusion.I've not given any indications of saying this was a cliche show. It is pretty unpredictable but not consistently fun. I also find it pretty amusing that you're giving me a slipshod analogy of how reality works. If things are going to end in an anticlimatic matter, it should be executed well. This arc wasn't horrible but the quality was haphazard. Are you done now? There is also no need to lecture me on reality.Just... No. Especially in defense to a shounen anime. |
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cantius said: I've not given any indications of saying this was a cliche show. It is pretty unpredictable but not consistently fun. I also find it pretty amusing that you're giving me a slipshod analogy of how reality works. If things are going to end in an anticlimatic matter, it should be executed well. This arc wasn't horrible but the quality was haphazard. Are you done now? There is also no need to lecture me on reality.Just... No. Especially in defense to a shounen anime. I wasn't lecturing you. If that how it came across to you than I apologize. Why did you take it that way? Just wanted to point out my perspective of why I considered you were mistaken. Also I don't think the execution was bad. I guess we just like different things. I liked that style of storytelling and for me it was exciting that it ended that way especially in a shounen which I didn't expect at all. It's rare to watch in a shounen of this type interesting story progression and realistic character dynamics and development. |
| "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone". Ella Wheeler Wilcox |
| Pretty anticlimactic ending to the arc, but I suppose it sends a good message. I don't think this is the last we'll see of the Phantom Troupe. Maybe they don't need to be killed, but they should certainly be stopped. Maybe a prison for Nen users or maybe there's a way they can be permanently stripped of Nen and put in prison. Either way its good that the final confrontation hasn't happend yet because Kurapika DEFINITELY isn't strong enough to take on the Troupe alone, and his friends aren't strong enough to back him up properly. Gon and Killua should really take some time to develop some special moves before taking on Greed Island. |
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kittyn said: Kinda feel bad for Pakunoda huh? I say screw her and the rest of Phantom Troupe! This show has done a good job of humanizing them, which is pretty realistic, but they are still murderous violent and extremely dangerous. The that their still lose in society is pretty sad to me. cantius said: I apologize as well. Yes, it is quite different from other shounen. The main characters don't gain new powers every other episode and there are actual tactics involved. I also like the quality of the voice acting. This is way better than the trash that is Fairy Tail. Now that would be what one calls a brainless shounen title. Hey! Fairy Tail might be a One Piece rip off, but its still very fun. Hunter X Hunter is a higher quality show over all, but I still think Fairy Tail has some advantages on a shallow level. I think FT is higher in cool factor with their Character designs, especially with the main characters plus it has more gender balance which I like. But I'll agree, Fairy Tail is more formulaic, while Hunter x Hunter is more unique and has more integrity. |
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Raitei said: Amazing ending to the arc. Really impressive that Chrollo has been rendered useless, although I hope that by him going East, he doesn't somehow come across a cheap way to get his powers back... it would really feel like a cop out IMO. Also, if he can copy other peoples abilities, surely he could have just copied Pakunoda's and the other rares ones in the Troupe in case of death of one of the members? I mean, he is able to copy it without hurting the person, as we saw with him copying the fortune-telling (unless knocking them out is also a requirement, but that's still nothing). 1) He steals them, not copy them, if he did, the others would be useless. 2) When they die, the power is gone. |
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| Episode worth it alone for dat priceless Hisoka reaction. Honestly confused by a bunch of stuff for the first time... in a while, I think. HxH's usually pretty consistent in it's forthrightness and subterfuge. Don't want to say plot holes, 'cause likely I'm just exhausted from marathoning this mammoth, but events jumped around fast enough to get my brain rattling. So of all the Spiders: only two dead, one incapacitated, one LOL who knows??, and the rest alive (and somewhat grateful??). Didn't expect that. Love it when fortune telling gets punched in the face. It's a savage duty! |
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currycurry said: This is about the time where show starts going close to 5 chapters per ep for 20 straight episodes.Honestly confused by a bunch of stuff for the first time... in a while, I think. HxH's usually pretty consistent in it's forthrightness and subterfuge. Don't want to say plot holes, 'cause likely I'm just exhausted from marathoning this mammoth, but events jumped around fast enough to get my brain rattling. |
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| this arc had its ups an downs but it was overall much better than the previous ones |
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| Well thats it for the Yorknew arc. This arc had some of the most amazing moments in the anime thus far and had the most darkest tone to the anime series. This arc constantly challenged your mind with all its complexities, physiological and strategic scenario's that really broke free from most of your simplicity you see in most shonens like naruto and bleach. This arc truly delivered on that front. Now finally the greed island arc starts. I am probably going to be more excited watching this arc and the upcoming large CA arc, due to the fact that the material is new from the old series, so even though i have read the manga, i will have some what of a new experience with animation and what not. Very fun watch and im inching closer and closer to my favorite arc. |
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Roari said: Hybridbloodszak said:  Reaction to being screwed over by Kurapika This! I laughed so hard.. Almost choked on the water I was drinking that exact moment. And as others have pointed out, it was indeed two priceless reactions this episode. Loved it. |
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| Haha! Troll! Never have I found an anticlimax to be so entertainingly frustrating. Also... lol@ Hisoka finding out Chrollo's nen was sealed. The moment with Gon and Killua finding Troupe members in the auction house was funny too. I doubt this is the last we'll see of Chrollo, though. This is the "interlude". Anyway, that was a smart way of dealing with things, and I enjoyed the arc overall. In the end only two Troupe members died, so the fortune telling was a red herring. The only thing that seems unexplained is Kurapika's sudden fever. So... on to Greed Island. I wonder what Gon's plan is. |
VanishingKira said: HybridMBL said: I died laughing.Gon and Killua finding Troupe members in the auction house was funny too.Reaction to being screwed over by Kurapika Omg those two scenes were priceless! I rewatched those parts so many times XD Really sucks for Hisoka :/ Paku :( I also feel conflicted, but Paku dying and seeing her memory with Gon and Killua was sad. A really good episode to end the arc. |
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Whalelala said: I didn't understand paku's death. She died because she violated Kurapika's rule (she told them about him) |
| Best arc so far! Loved the whole mafia theme. Hisoka's face was GOLD! Only two complaints: - Wish the fortune changing thing was elaborated more... - The whole Kurapika kidnapping Chrollo event felt a bit pointless, although still exciting overall - WAYYYY too short. I loved this arc so I wish it had been longer. |
mayukachan said: Best arc so far! Loved the whole mafia theme. Hisoka's face was GOLD! Only two complaints: - Wish the fortune changing thing was elaborated more... - The whole Kurapika kidnapping Chrollo event felt a bit pointless, although still exciting overall - WAYYYY too short. I loved this arc so I wish it had been longer. I feel like the fortune telling ability was elaborated enough, what did you want to learn about it? Oh why do you feel it was pointless to kidnap Chrollo? |
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soundscape said: I feel like the fortune telling ability was elaborated enough, what did you want to learn about it? Oh why do you feel it was pointless to kidnap Chrollo? So, in the end, the fortunes were changed. Half of the legs were supposed to die, but only the memory girl and Uvo died in the end. I'm a bit confused on that.. Or are we just supposed to go along with it? I also felt like they could have done more with it, like used that to make the storyline more interesting. I understood that the arc was mostly done to give Kurapika lots of character development but I feel a bit dissappointed that nothing was done to prevent the Spider from committing future crimes. He kidnapped Chrollo but returned him because Gon and Killua were kidnapped as well. In the end, it was just a trade and trade back. Not much had been changed other than a few things. |
mayukachan said: soundscape said: I feel like the fortune telling ability was elaborated enough, what did you want to learn about it? Oh why do you feel it was pointless to kidnap Chrollo? So, in the end, the fortunes were changed. Half of the legs were supposed to die, but only the memory girl and Uvo died in the end. I'm a bit confused on that.. Or are we just supposed to go along with it? I also felt like they could have done more with it, like used that to make the storyline more interesting. I understood that the arc was mostly done to give Kurapika lots of character development but I feel a bit dissappointed that nothing was done to prevent the Spider from committing future crimes. He kidnapped Chrollo but returned him because Gon and Killua were kidnapped as well. In the end, it was just a trade and trade back. Not much had been changed other than a few things. But that is the point, Gon's goal was for Kurapika not to kill them, which he accomplished. I liked this better because imo it had a better point than jus revenge. Development for Kurapika, Pakunoda, the phantom troupe as a whole (grew a lot of respect seeing them argue with eschother for the well being of the group) and in the future, Gon himself. The predictions are made SO they can be manipulated. Light (her dad) rose to power because he could see outcomes and avoid them/make sure they happened. The troupe sticking together is what made them survive the prophecy. |
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But Chrollo stole the fortune telling ability and Pakunoda's fortune was saying that she would betray the Spider and they would lose all those members, but exactly because betrayal wasn't a white and black concept you couldn't tell what would happen. So in the end it wasn't betrayal what she chose to do because the members that were supposed to die didn't. I found the story pretty interesting as it was, especailly how it developed and ended (the anticlimatic ending, cause it is realistic... life doesn't always go how you plan it to go). We got lots of development on PT, our heroes and the world of HxH, that subplot is still in play and can be resurfaced in the future at any time... But that was the coolest part, that he returned Chrollo (although without being able to use Nen, basically he dealt with the head of the Spider). He chose and realized that friends are more important than vengeance... I don't know but personally I thought that there was lots of development and huge subtle changes and insights into our heroes. For example the scene that Gon had with Nobunaga when they were wrestling, he didn't have a problem with them being killers, but he did get angry when he saw that they care for their members (it shows his black and white take on morality as a kid he is)... Its going to be interesting what you will be saying about CA arc :P |
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| Ah, so they did change the prophets. Thanks for clearing it up for me. I really should watch this show after midnight or I can't think properly lol You both have good points. Yeah the development was done really well. I personally, expected a different kind of end to the arc but like I said before, it was a small complaint. It was done really well overall. I liked Phantom Troupe as well although I wanted to see some closure or something else change between them. Alas, there's more to watch for me so I won't say any more. I'm pretty excited for this Chimera Ant arc... Heard lots of good things ^^ |
dekopinn said: Roari said: This! I laughed so hard.. Almost choked on the water I was drinking that exact moment. And as others have pointed out, it was indeed two priceless reactions this episode. Loved it. ^The face of a man who went trough all the trouble and even removed his shirt to look cool in front of the boss. Sorry Hisoka but you've been Trolled. Now...to the next arc!!! |
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