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Feb 12, 2014 3:33 PM

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RWBY is what happens when westerners try to make anime, and it isn't pretty.
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JD2411 said:
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Then I wonder why are most anime website only streaming avatar and RWBY coming from the "cartoon" department?
because they're cartoons
why not include Justice League and others?
they are more 'kiddy' than avatar and rwby
Of course they are, of course they are.
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WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo
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What I learned in this fascinating book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Soul-Anime-Collaborative-Experimental/dp/0822353946

is that roughly 90% of the actual animation work, all the "in-between" or not super crucial material, is outsourced to animators in China, South Korea, and the Phillipines. This is done b/c as everyone already knows, studios are strapped for cash and young animators make ridiculously low salaries and have a very high turnover rate. So a big chunk of the work gets shipped overseas.

The book and the author are completely legit. Ck it out if you want details on author's background and sources.

does this answer your question? heh. NO! But it felt like a good place to drop that lol
Feb 12, 2014 3:50 PM

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Are non-Japanese people Japanese?
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DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.

Feb 12, 2014 3:52 PM

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Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.

Diana and Jenny are hotter than the chicks from Totally Spies.
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What I learned in this fascinating book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Soul-Anime-Collaborative-Experimental/dp/0822353946

is that roughly 90% of the actual animation work, all the "in-between" or not super crucial material, is outsourced to animators in China, South Korea, and the Phillipines. This is done b/c as everyone already knows, studios are strapped for cash and young animators make ridiculously low salaries and have a very high turnover rate. So a big chunk of the work gets shipped overseas.

The book and the author are completely legit. Ck it out if you want details on author's background and sources.

does this answer your question? heh. NO! But it felt like a good place to drop that lol


That does seem interesting, so anime even though Japan acts like the mascot, we can say there are many countries that get involved in anime then. Like you were hinting anime is a business as they need to some how make money out of their productions.
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Makomonogatari said:
Are non-Japanese people Japanese?


Obviously not but are we saying only Japanese can create an anime? Technically yes because they what Japanese call anime the west call cartoons but I am referring to the anime-style of a cartoon if you kind of understand what I mean.
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DrGeroCreation said:
Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.

Diana and Jenny are hotter than the chicks from Totally Spies.


6 seasons and still going says otherwise. You just can't beat the Asian/Ginger/Blonde combo when it comes to the kiddies. Interracial fun, now from Disney.
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Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.

Diana and Jenny are hotter than the chicks from Totally Spies.


6 seasons and still going says otherwise. You just can't beat the Asian/Ginger/Blonde combo when it comes to the kiddies. Interracial fun, now from Disney.
Martin Mystery is supposed to continue "Due to popular demand on Martin Mystery's Facebook page, in December 2013 Marathon Media confirmed, that the show would be renewed for a fourth season." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
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Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.



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Feb 12, 2014 4:20 PM

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Why are you so worked up?


The policy of exclusion based on origin. This among a few other things really ticks me off.
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daintybiscuit said:
What I learned in this fascinating book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Soul-Anime-Collaborative-Experimental/dp/0822353946

is that roughly 90% of the actual animation work, all the "in-between" or not super crucial material, is outsourced to animators in China, South Korea, and the Phillipines. This is done b/c as everyone already knows, studios are strapped for cash and young animators make ridiculously low salaries and have a very high turnover rate. So a big chunk of the work gets shipped overseas.

The book and the author are completely legit. Ck it out if you want details on author's background and sources.

does this answer your question? heh. NO! But it felt like a good place to drop that lol


That does seem interesting, so anime even though Japan acts like the mascot, we can say there are many countries that get involved in anime then. Like you were hinting anime is a business as they need to some how make money out of their productions.


exactly. i mean the vision, the story boards, the core production, the direction - all from Japan. Grunt work - usually overseas!

I was slightly disappointed when i read this, but there is no doubt that the Japanese are in complete control of the creativity and direction of their productions
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Other countries do, they just usually call 'em "cartoons".
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KyuuAL said:
Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.



Clover is mein waifu!


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Hoppy said:
KyuuAL said:
Heredity said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo


Totally Spies is better.



Clover is mein waifu!


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DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo
man this show was the fucking bommmmmmbbbbb
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Sourire said:
DrGeroCreation said:
WOW Martin Mystery was created, developed, written and animated in Tokyo yet it is not considered an anime. Martin Mystery actually looks more anime style than Avatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mystery
http://youtu.be/6ETpe2qILJo
man this show was the fucking bommmmmmbbbbb
Yeah it was I can't wait for the 4th season.
Feb 12, 2014 6:58 PM

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KyuuAL said:
tiro_finale said:
Why are you so worked up?


The policy of exclusion based on origin. This among a few other things really ticks me off.


I have to agree. Its kind of stupid in my opinion.
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Feb 12, 2014 9:38 PM

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Even if alot of counties created anime it might not be the same as has Japan does it hehe xD also I use to think avatar was anime but its created by Americans I think, that was a good show anime or not :3
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Now for something genuinely American:

http://roosterteeth.com/news/entry.php?id=3495403

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Feb 13, 2014 8:02 PM

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RWBY is the answer..
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plenty of artists myself included make anime style drawings in america, but when it comes to cartoons and what actually gets produced, it tends to have less of the exact same style. i think over time that might change, however. i hope to see anime influence american cartoons more and more.
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Feb 13, 2014 11:11 PM

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i guess it could be but it would not be on the same level as japan
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thats right on actually...the stuff i make is highly influenced by anime but way more simplistic haha.
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Feb 14, 2014 2:38 AM

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number of weeaboos in this thread.
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I do know for a fact that korean cartoons are more anime-like as well. In fact, there are a few korean cartoons that are listed in myanimelist database. I cant rmr all of them but here's one :X

Dae Jang Geum: http://myanimelist.net/anime/1778/Dae_Jang_Geum:_Jang_Geums_Dream

There are also other chinese cartoons that highly resemble anime in terms of animation and art. I know it because i've watched them :X

Chinese cartoon:

Kuiba - http://myanimelist.net/anime/16756/Kuiba
Reflection of the Moon (BL) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXfyoIYVlA (Dunno if it has been released yet or not.)
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Other countries produce Animated series and Movies. They just come under different terms
Anime is basically a shortened term for Animated Pictures.

There is a official Japanese Name for Cartoons, which is Douga, Which means Moving pictures, Douga is written in Kanji(Chinese) which is basically Dung Hua in Chinese which means the same thing.
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Various countries put out their own animation but I dont think an entire company soley for replicating anime style is out there except possibly some other asian country like Korea. I am aware japanese studios sometimes work i collaboration with some western shows in the past. I am also aware of various shows who used an anime style and story style.

I think its best when someone uses their own flavour to the production methods rahther than just being a copycat because by being a copycat trying to replicate anime its very artificial and wont always turn out very good results. If you do not live in japan you will have a different cultrual view so everything done will come out differntly. A good example is nosebleeds in anime it is based o old wivestale of japan and obviously makes no sense outside of japan unless you already are aware of it from watchig anime .

I think a good example of using the style independantly would be The Boondocks because it uses an animation style that is similar to anime but it never tries to be anime at all but rather mirrors the culture of the country it origiated from. Unlike something like RWBY or Avatar (the later did better at it though since its not as obvious being its only similarity is style and asian themes and uses less anime tropes than RWBY).
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I do know for a fact that korean cartoons are more anime-like as well. In fact, there are a few korean cartoons that are listed in myanimelist database. I cant rmr all of them but here's one :X


Yobi the five tailed fox was a REALLY good anime style movie from Korea
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I'm sure there are a lot of non japanese people that may create a far better "anime" than most japaneses together, but I doubt they would allow that, in fact, I'm sure they would do anything to avoid a non japanese person to create an anime.
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One of the first terms I heard to refer to Japanese cartoons was Japanime.

Jap-anime.

Japanese animation.

Maybe if we started referring to US cartoons as Amanime then everyone would chill out and peace would come to the world.
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I'm sure there are a lot of non japanese people that may create a far better "anime" than most japaneses together, but I doubt they would allow that, in fact, I'm sure they would do anything to avoid a non japanese person to create an anime.


the Japanese can't control what other people make, also, i doubt they would care. It is the highest compliment to them if other people want to use the same style.
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that's because a cartoon made in japan is an anime. a cartoon made in america is a cartoon. the site's called myanimelist so its for japanese cartoons only


Thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point, answering this thread's main question, and completely missing what I had said.

You get half a cookie.

Whether people like something or hate something - that has absolutely no bearing on categorization. Plenty of anime series are on my hate list - enough to be dropped - like Guilty Crown. Man, what a piece of crap that was. However, that kind of hate does not push me towards discounting Guilty Crown as anime.
Personally I consider anime like shows such as Avatar, Torkaizer, Rwby, and ext not anime, but something else I call animesque: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Animesque
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Why do people always confusing outsourcing with actual origin of productions?
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In my opinion, anime is both a visual style and a certain taste. For me anime has a certain visual style which usually emphasizes the eyes, cel shading and detailed backgrounds at the expense of higher frame counts. Also anime seems to be more interested in feelings and stories rather than physical movement like western animation. I'm generalizing here but that's two things that stand out for me. If you can copy those two things, you can make anime imo even if it is at a lower production quality than the ones in apan. Actually I've tried a bit myself, with a little success and there are plenty of fanime enthusiasts out there. It's just its hard to get a real big series done outside Japan. As people say there is work done in South Korea and there is some work done in countries like India (for Ninja Hattori I think).

Can anime be done in the West? I think so but I think Western animation schools discourage their students creating anime because they consider it inferior and unoriginal :(.
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I know Russia made one, but it's not very good.
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Can anime be done in the West? I think so but I think Western animation schools discourage their students creating anime because they consider it inferior and unoriginal :(.

I agree it's a bit unfair that Western art and animation schools dismissing anime art styles all together. But most anime are indeed unoriginal. There's no denial of it.
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To answer this question tell me what the fuck you define anime as. The way it story-tells or just the superficial quality like the big fucking eyes and the nose the size of atom?

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Other countries have had animated works that mimicked to some degree the style of a lot of anime.

I've seen the US and France do this a few times.

The US has:
Avatar: The Last Airbender (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender)
The Legend of Korra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Korra)
Teen Titans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Titans_(TV_series))
RWBY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RWBY)

France has:
Wakfu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakfu:_The_Animated_Series)
Dofus: The Treasures of Kerubim (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/DofusTheTreasuresOfKerubim)
Code Lyoko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Lyoko)
Totally Spies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_Spies!)

Middle East:
Torkaizer (No link for you)

America's Legend of Korra is the most similar to your everyday anime, having more focus on story and the closest art style to what you'd see in your everyday anime. RWBY is also kinda....but.....
France's Code Lyoko is pretty close too. Torkaizer looks pretty close as well, but it also looks so cheesy and overdone...


EDIT: I love French cartoons.
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*AHEM*

Why does nobody consider Avatar: The Last Airbender an anime show?
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*AHEM*

Why does nobody consider Avatar: The Last Airbender an anime show?

I believe its because it wasn't made by the Japanese. That said, it really depends upon how you define anime. If you define it as either a style or animation made in Japan, then Avatar could be called an anime. If its just animation made in Japan, then Avatar isn't an anime. If its a style only, then maybe Avatar is an anime, maybe it isn't. (anime, while generally looking similar, sometimes have different art styles, some especially unique).
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They tried


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I think this question could be paraphrased as thus:

"Do countries other than Britain attempt to make British television?!"

Well, what do you think?
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*AHEM*

Why does nobody consider Avatar: The Last Airbender an anime show?

I believe its because it wasn't made by the Japanese. That said, it really depends upon how you define anime. If you define it as either a style or animation made in Japan, then Avatar could be called an anime. If its just animation made in Japan, then Avatar isn't an anime. If its a style only, then maybe Avatar is an anime, maybe it isn't. (anime, while generally looking similar, sometimes have different art styles, some especially unique).

It's because you can't really define styles. I can also mimic Japanese drawings, it doesn't mean I'm making Anime.

That's why what the Japanese make is Anime, otherwise it's a cartoon.




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Hitler was good, objectively.
Jun 13, 2014 8:31 PM

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Well according to KyuuAL logic, if RWBY is anime then Spongebob Squarepants, Fairy Odd Parents and Adventure Time etc must be Anime aswell.

This site is called MyanimeList for a reason ya know.

Anyways RWBY is pretty shit.
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I know this is old but the US has The Legend of Korra.


France has Code Lyoko and Wakfu but I prefer Wakfu's brother, Dofus.

Its less anime-y but it has hips.



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KiteTheAzure said:
Well according to KyuuAL logic, if RWBY is anime then Spongebob Squarepants, Fairy Odd Parents and Adventure Time etc must be Anime aswell.

This site is called MyanimeList for a reason ya know.

Anyways RWBY is pretty shit.

RWBY was pretty lame I'd agree. In my opinion anyways.
That said, you aren't really understanding KyyAL's logic. RWBY fits to him because of its art style. The story and action help too. Its got this very animey style. I'm not sure you'd call it anime, but its not quite the same as Spongebob etc.

Also, its occurred to me that I already mentioned Dofus and Korra, and recently too. Oh well.
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We have a Japanese Steakhouse in our town; it is run by a Chinese man, and the cooks are mostly Latino. We don't get hordes of enraged weebs pouring through the door every day to remind them that this is not a legitimate Japanese restaurant just because the food isn't actually prepared by Japanese people.

That's pretty much how I feel about RWBY too.
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Yea the U.S tries and fails almost all the time actually
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