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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Who wouldn't enjoy themselves a snuggle with a cute piaollow? Zhao with Li Mu at it's head is terrifying. It only takes a single day to crush Yan's Ju Xin? I sure hope they've got other Great General's left over. Looks like danger is coming Qin's way, and they may be overextended now, given how far into unmapped territory they are. We're off to see the brother, that treacherous brother of Zheng's! A lot happening this episode, looks like the last stretch is going to be a busy one. Mod Edit: Fixed poll. |
KinetaJun 7, 2022 10:38 AM
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| Man! I don't wan't this anime to end! It just keeps getting better and better, and we're right in the middle of an arc! The King's mom getting passed around like some whore OMG! He really is an amazing person to keep in his anger. His brother really does seem like the right person to seek help from, using a traitor to fight traitors. I'm really loving this anime. Also Nuan finally made his appearance, I can't believe the guy ended a 200,000 man war in 1 day, with 1 hand! BADASS! The King is in some really deep shit though, his situation is the most shocking. He even has a woman by his side now. She was even rubbing her stomach, meaning possible pregnancy? That makes everything 10 times more dangerous. |
AichiroFeb 18, 2014 8:22 PM
| Is it Zhao? Is it Chu? Nope it's Han! It's funny that was the kingdom that stood out to me when they showed the map since it's right in the middle of everyone. Pang Nuan rebuilding his hype, not a good thing. Wow Zheng's brother sure has changed since the 3D times lol. |
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| HOLYYY MERLIN THAT WAS ZHENG'S BROTHER!!!! Okay the shock of realisation following immense confusion was too much for me. Jeez talk about tension! As much as I'm worried about the great war brewing in the not-so-distant horizon, I'm positively terrified at the silent yet tumultuous power play going on at court! I haven't been this worried about a fictional character for a while as I am now about Zheng. It's really such a shame we don't get nearly enough insight into the imperial court proceedings, since the battle episodes take so long to pan out. And that girl - is she pregnant!!!???!? How could there only be 2 more episodes left!! I cannot deal with this!!! oh god I'm really losing it EDIT: wait where's this talk about Piao coming from?? have I missed something...? |
fullmetalbenderFeb 18, 2014 8:08 PM
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| Damn, I picked the wrong choice on the poll I missed 100 out of 5: Piao's a pillow As soon as this season ends I'm reading the manga, I can't wait 'til the third season to know what happens next. |
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| Looks like Lu Buwei is underestimating his own four pillars, Li Si. One day he'll learn what kind of man Li Si becomes and his impact. Then again, will he even be able to see the day when Zheng at his throat? I thought Zheng's brother was exiled, jailed or something. They didn't really say what happened to him afterwards in the series anyway. Wonder if he'll actually help Zheng after being punched in the face infront of all those troops and humiliated. Looking forward to see the unique "brotherly bond" While we only got to see a bit of Yan, Ju Xin was crushed way too easily. Generals should seriously try to control themselves, before they charge in the frontlines. Didn't Ju Xin have any other troops, archers or whatnot to stop Pang Nuan? If what Daoi said was true, that Ju Xin was able to counter-attack against Li Mu, Ju Xin should've played it more safe, or atleast his troops should've helped him against Pang Nuan, or at least escape from him. Even if it might seem cowardly, this is the warring states era; unlike the Spring and Autumn period, where warfare was supposed to be honorable and each General showed their bravery, the Warring States era was supposed to be about efficient warfare and no honor. Maybe Ju Xin pride, thanks to his battle with the State of Xu, got the best of him and was the main reason he was front-lining. Who knows? Anyway, hopefully we get to see a general of the Han fight against Xin. It's always nice to see a new general from a totally different Kingdom, and their ideals/culture. |
Azekura said: I'm interested in how the mangaka is going to portray Li Si, given his philosophy. Talking of the Four Pilars, I can't wait to see more of Changpingjun, especially with his future as Looks like Lu Buwei is underestimating his own four pillars, Li Si. Azekura said: I feel like there was probably more about Ju Xin in the manga, as I don't think a single major general has been offed without a decent backstory. Surely we could have gotten a flash of the great Yue Yi, even for a moment? A shame.While we only got to see a bit of Yan, Ju Xin was crushed way too easily. Generals should seriously try to control themselves, before they charge in the frontlines. Didn't Ju Xin have any other troops, archers or whatnot to stop Pang Nuan? If what Daoi said was true, that Ju Xin was able to counter-attack against Li Mu, Ju Xin should've played it more safe, or atleast his troops should've helped him against Pang Nuan, or at least escape from him. Even if it might seem cowardly, this is the warring states era; unlike the Spring and Autumn period, where warfare was supposed to be honorable and each General showed their bravery, the Warring States era was supposed to be about efficient warfare and no honor. Maybe Ju Xin pride, thanks to his battle with the State of Xu, got the best of him and was the main reason he was front-lining. Who knows? Well, given the way Kingdom works, it's likely that Ju Xin was one of the 'instinctive' generals, and probably only managed to counter-attack by leading it himself, thus likely playing into Li Mu's hands.. But as you mentioned, this is all speculation, as we only got a tiny snippet of the battle and Ju Xin. |
Ckan said: Azekura said: I'm interested in how the mangaka is going to portray Li Si, given his philosophy. Talking of the Four Pilars, I can't wait to see more of Changpingjun, especially with his future as Looks like Lu Buwei is underestimating his own four pillars, Li Si. Spoilering because of history. Li Si and his Legalism ideas, to us nowadays, might seem villainous. But he was probably But like you said, really interested in Li Si's portrayal in the anime. His ideals for a king are the almost the opposite of what Zheng is at the moment in the anime, so will they portray him as a villain (not a trickery type, but an extremely strict person)? Ckan said: I feel like there was probably more about Ju Xin in the manga, as I don't think a single major general has been offed without a decent backstory. Surely we could have gotten a flash of the great Yue Yi, even for a moment? A shame. Well, given the way Kingdom works, it's likely that Ju Xin was one of the 'instinctive' generals, and probably only managed to counter-attack by leading it himself, thus likely playing into Li Mu's hands.. But as you mentioned, this is all speculation, as we only got a tiny snippet of the battle and Ju Xin. Yeah, wanted to know a tiny bit more about Ju Xin. I'm a sucker for backgrounds of characters. Then again, he was probably a strong plot character to show how strong Pang Nuan is. Totally forgot about Wang Qi's words of a instinctive and resourceful general though. If he truly is an instinctive general, then you're probably right and fell into Li Mu's hands. Not only that, Ju Xin is a famous general while Li Mu is still an unknown tactician. Li Mu probably knew Ju Xin's style of offense and defense, while Li Mu didn't know much and only had to go on the basis of the battle between Qin and Zhao. Still, Ju Xin should've had some soldiers riding with him if he "successfully" counter attacked. Hell, Duke Hyou (Who was directly called a instinctive general), had a huge group of mounted soldiers following him. Actually, most generals have a group of elite soldiers with them, no matter if they're resourceful or instinctive. Ju Xin getting killed by Pang Nuan seems a bit odd to be, since as powerful as Pang Nuan is, he's still only one man against an army (and if Ju Xin is a great general, then he's up against an elite unit). Also note, Pang Nuan came in alone against Ju Xin. Only thing I can think of is that Li Mu was able to chip all of Ju Xin soldiers during the character, allowing Pang Nuan for the quick kill. ...Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard. |
| Well Ju Xin and his background was also kinda concise in the manga. He was boasting about having sent many of those so called "gods of war" to the grave by his glaive but acknowledged Pang Nuan as a different breed from all his other opponents and in the end was overwhelmed and killed. Pang Nuan even called him a "fake". I'm also not familiar w/ the Chinese names so I'll use the Japanese names here kay. Ju Xin (Gekishin) was also described to value money and abandoned Zhao for Yan when they offered riches and fame. He also fought side by side w/ one of the three great devas Yue Yi (Gakuki) and copied him and his style of warfare almost perfectly. Still,even w/ that, he fell easily enough. |
swordstriker21Feb 18, 2014 11:35 PM
| I am very disappointed that they cut out 90% of the Yan vs Ziao battle. and yes to previous posts here, there are lot back story and battle scene of Ju Xin in the manga. It was epic, he was so hype up too like Renpa. So ironic when he one hit kill by Pang Nuan because he was supposed to be skilled in slaying Busin warrior like Pang Nuan, and very proficient in tactic that he learned from previous great general Yue Yi. However, he is overwhelmed by Li Bu's genius strategy and Pang Nuan's insane strength (This guy punch a tiger to death for god sake). It is a must to check out the manga for this battle. Read chapter 251 to 253. Also, I think they cut out some Chu generals's introduction, but I guess seeing them bit later in season 3 is just fine as well. |
| @leeo268 & swordstriker21 Ah, so we really did lose out on a lot there. A shame. Will definitely go through the mangaka sometime, possibly just to where we're at now, to fill in the gaps. Azekura said: Yeah, it's pretty amusing of us to make so much conjecture, but the only way that makes sense without it simply being 'lazy depiction / animator oversight' would be that for one reason or another, Ju Xin had to leave his men behind. Perhaps taking out the Pang Nuan seemed like the only best turn of action, or he was forced into such a position where defeating the 'head' was the only option. Unfortunately, he seems to have underestimated Pang's ridiculous combat ability.Ju Xin getting killed by Pang Nuan seems a bit odd to be, since as powerful as Pang Nuan is, he's still only one man against an army (and if Ju Xin is a great general, then he's up against an elite unit). Also note, Pang Nuan came in alone against Ju Xin. Only thing I can think of is that Li Mu was able to chip all of Ju Xin soldiers during the character, allowing Pang Nuan for the quick kill. ...Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard. Azekura said: Given the way he's almost at odds with Lu Buwei, it's quite possible that he's going to be seen in a positive light. Perhaps the mangaka will tone down the popular portrayal of harshness/brutality of Qin's laws and the massive construction projects, giving it a 'strict' and 'grand design' sort of spin, respectively.His ideals for a king are the almost the opposite of what Zheng is at the moment in the anime, so will they portray him as a villain (not a trickery type, but an extremely strict person)? |
CkanFeb 18, 2014 11:11 PM
swordstriker21 said: Well Ju Xin and his background was also kinda concise in the manga. He was boasting to the Yan king about having sent many of those so called "gods of war" to the grave by his glaive but acknowledged Pang Nuan as a different breed from all his other opponents and in the end was overwhelmed and killed. Pang Nuan even called him a "fake". Pang Nuan calling Ju Xin a fake doesn't really mean anything. Pang Nuan is a warrior, and Ju Xin is a general. Two totally different things. Ju Xin could be a terrible warrior compared to Pang Nuan, and that's why he was called a fake, but he could've been a great general. Though, Ju Xin shouldn't have boasted about his Glaive, and instead of his commanding skill if he was an actual general. Though, there might be a chance that Ju Xin is actually a "fake", considering there was another general with him at the time of the Qi Battle, Army God Yue Yi, and Yue Yi might've been the one who built Ju Xin reputation. Ju Xin can't really be called a fake, since he did still counter-attack Li Mu. Unless that counter-attack could've been easily done by any general, and was just a part of Li Mu's overall plan to take down Ju Xin, who wasn't able to overlook Li Mu's plan. Then Ju Xin might've actually been a fake, and it was Yue Yi who was the real powerhouse. |
| ^ Since I haven't read the manga, I can't really say, but it sounds like Pang Nuan meant 'fake' either in Ju Xin's ability as a 'superwarrior' or in comparison to the legendary Yue Yi. Or even more hypothetically, perhaps as a 'Great General' compared to his bout with Wang Qi. |
Azekura said: swordstriker21 said: Well Ju Xin and his background was also kinda concise in the manga. He was boasting to the Yan king about having sent many of those so called "gods of war" to the grave by his glaive but acknowledged Pang Nuan as a different breed from all his other opponents and in the end was overwhelmed and killed. Pang Nuan even called him a "fake". Pang Nuan calling Ju Xin a fake doesn't really mean anything. Pang Nuan is a warrior, and Ju Xin is a general. Two totally different things. Ju Xin could be a terrible warrior compared to Pang Nuan, and that's why he was called a fake, but he could've been a great general. Though, Ju Xin shouldn't have boasted about his Glaive, and instead of his commanding skill if he was an actual general. Though, there might be a chance that Ju Xin is actually a "fake", considering there was another general with him at the time of the Qi Battle, Army God Yue Yi, and Yue Yi might've been the one who built Ju Xin reputation. Ju Xin can't really be called a fake, since he did still counter-attack Li Mu. Unless that counter-attack could've been easily done by any general, and was just a part of Li Mu's overall plan to take down Ju Xin, who wasn't able to overlook Li Mu's plan. Then Ju Xin might've actually been a fake, and it was Yue Yi who was the real powerhouse. Well I see it like this. The only man Pang Nuan acknowledged was his equal was Wang Qi who,even in his dying breaths, managed to push Pang Nuan back though sheer will (remember the glaive locking scene in season one). He was looking for someone of Wang Qis caliber.But Ju Xin didn't deliver. That's why Pang Nuan told him he was a fake. Not to say that Ju Xin wasn't a talented general in his own right. After all he managed to almost completely copy Yue Yis style of warfare and managed to see through Li Mus plan. It was just that he failed to match Pang Nuan in the same manner as Wang Qi that he was called a "fake". |
| Damn, now I'm getting all hyped up about how the mangaka's going to build up hero Xin and the 'Four 3 Greatest Generals', Wang Jian, and Li Mu. I haven't been too impressed with Lian Po, but that's possibly because of the pacing of the anime, and how much he left to his Four Kings. I guess Wang Ben and Meng Tian's rise will be pretty spectacular, too. Heck, even Bi (Heki) might get some spotlight... It's also going to be a joy to see all the fictional/lesser known generals of the other States. Chu is likely going to have a bucketload of awesome. Excuse me now, i'm going to go read a certain manga. |
Ckan said: Damn, now I'm getting all hyped up about how the mangaka's going to build up hero Xin and the 'Four 3 Greatest Generals', Wang Jian, and Li Mu. I haven't been too impressed with Lian Po, but that's possibly because of the pacing of the anime, and how much he left to his Four Kings. I guess Wang Ben and Meng Tian's rise will be pretty spectacular, too. Heck, even Bi (Heki) might get some spotlight... It's also going to be a joy to see all the fictional/lesser known generals of the other States. Chu is likely going to have a bucketload of awesome. Man it's kinda sad this season is nearing it's end since the next arc is overflowing w/ awesome. Hype yourself up comrade. The best is yet to come. But I'm almost 100% sure this season will end in a cliffhanger. And during the start of the next arc to boot. Oh, the agony..... |
| This season is either going to end just before things start to happen rapidly, or just after. Either case, if they don't deliver a third season, there's going to be cries of outrage. |
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| holy shit! does xin want to start a war vs han? is he really that stupid? |
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Robbini said: This season is either going to end just before things start to happen rapidly, or just after. Either case, if they don't deliver a third season, there's going to be cries of outrage. I am already checking news feeds just to check if there is third season announced. lionheart04 said: holy shit! does xin want to start a war vs han? is he really that stupid? Well at least Han seem like a rather small opponent. Does Han even have the power to decare was against Qin if they don't invade Han? |
Monad said: I don't know how the mangaka isdepicting Han, but historically at this point, Han is surrounded by powerful states, leaving it in a constantly vulnerable position.lionheart04 said: holy shit! does xin want to start a war vs han? is he really that stupid? Well at least Han seem like a rather small opponent. Does Han even have the power to decare was against Qin if they don't invade Han? By this time, it probably had to rely on the intervention of other states to avoid being taken over completely. TLDR: Probably not, but the mangaka can do as he wants. |
Monad said: Declaring war against han while still fighting wei is not a good ideaRobbini said: This season is either going to end just before things start to happen rapidly, or just after. Either case, if they don't deliver a third season, there's going to be cries of outrage. I am already checking news feeds just to check if there is third season announced. lionheart04 said: holy shit! does xin want to start a war vs han? is he really that stupid? Well at least Han seem like a rather small opponent. Does Han even have the power to decare was against Qin if they don't invade Han? |
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lionheart04 said: ]Declaring war against han while still fighting wei is not a good idea They are technically all at war with each other except Qin and Ziao because of their temporary alliance. |
| I don't understand this season's pacing at all. If I recall correctly they left out much more than half of the battle between Yan and Zhao as well as the introduction of two certain and rather important characters of Chu. Instead of taking so long with the battle against Wei they could have simply included everything they missed out and not rush the last episodes. Ckan said: Excuse me now, i'm going to go read a certain manga. I suggest you start at the first chapter. They skipped a lot of things in the first season as well or changed the story. |
| lol queen's porn is skip out :p anime missing many details ....... |
| They should have ended this on ep 34, my body can't handle all this teasing that i don't know when coming, currently using a shock collar to stop myself from picking up the manga, it may not be enough. |
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| It's frustrating because they're most likely gonna end it after sh*t goes down. You'll desperately want to continue but will be forced to wait for season 3. It's bad for the heart. |
| Oh wow, a couple figures we haven't seen in awhile, alright, one in a very long awhile! I forgot his brother even existed, such a terrifying family. :O |
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Solium said: I did, of course! That missing assassination arc...Ckan said: Excuse me now, i'm going to go read a certain manga. I suggest you start at the first chapter. They skipped a lot of things in the first season as well or changed the story. fiore777 said: Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual.I forgot his brother even existed, such a terrifying family. |
Ckan said: Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual.It's a common thing in hereditary rule to find relatives killing each other in order to raise their chances of getting to the throne, we don't know much about the lineage of the former king but the Queen Dowager is from Zhao, i won't be surprised if he had several relatives over there instead. |
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Ckan said: Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual. He probably have some relatives, but they are probably powerless or not relevant/ interesting enough for author to add them in the story. |
Ckan said: Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual. Zee530 said: It's a common thing in hereditary rule to find relatives killing each other in order to raise their chances of getting to the throne, we don't know much about the lineage of the former king but the Queen Dowager is from Zhao, i won't be surprised if he had several relatives over there instead. leeo268 said: He probably have some relatives, but they are probably powerless or not relevant/ interesting enough for author to add them in the story. Definitely, there were likely numerous power struggles that would have thinned their numbers, but given the length of Qin's family line, it's almost impossible for him to not have distant uncles and branch-families. I guess as leeo says, they just aren't there because they have no tract on the story, but that just seems to a degree unrealistic as royal relatives almost always have a level of influence/power, unless disgraced. |
Ckan said: Definitely, there were likely numerous power struggles that would have thinned their numbers, but given the length of Qin's family line, it's almost impossible for him to not have distant uncles and branch-families. I guess as leeo says, they just aren't there because they have no tract on the story, but that just seems to a degree unrealistic as royal relatives almost always have a level of influence/power, unless disgraced. It does seem quite strange, but I did check the family tree Supposedly, Zheng should have about 20 or more different uncles (there's almost no information on any of them though). I'm guessing they might just be children of Concubines, so they don't have a big status in the nobility. Also, Zheng, even if he's a member of the royal family, is already having a power struggle with Lu Buwei (someone who isn't related at all), and needs support from different factions and family. So if his uncles want to participate in the power struggle, they also need to find support from different factions. If Zheng is already having difficulty getting support from these factions, then most likely, his uncles (concubine or not) will have even greater difficulty. |
Azekura said: Thinking on it, there was mention that the Harem was in chaos during Zheng's (great?) grandfather's days, so that'd lessen the number of some closer relatives.It does seem quite strange, but I did check the family tree Supposedly, Zheng should have about 20 or more different uncles (there's almost no information on any of them though). I'm guessing they might just be children of Concubines, so they don't have a big status in the nobility. Also, Zheng, even if he's a member of the royal family, is already having a power struggle with Lu Buwei (someone who isn't related at all), and needs support from different factions and family. So if his uncles want to participate in the power struggle, they also need to find support from different factions. If Zheng is already having difficulty getting support from these factions, then most likely, his uncles (concubine or not) will have even greater difficulty. I suppose it's not completely out of the question for his relatives to be insignificant light-weights, as it isn't that unusual a practice for brothers to be kept powerless and at arms-length from the throne. Oh, and I meant that it seemed unusual for there not to be any 'established' relatives with a level of influence, if even merely in the civil service. The lack of them being directly in the succession/court power struggles is more understandable. There's always the possibility that history would shed light on the reason for it. |
CkanFeb 21, 2014 10:11 PM
| About the family thing (it's no huge spoiler though): |
Solium said: And it all falls into place. We weren't really going off-topic after all.About the family thing (it's no huge spoiler though): |
nameskizo said: Reading this thread made me want to read the manga. I doubt it's going to happen like that in the manga as well. Ei Sei's personality is very to different to that of the tyrant Qin Shi Huang. |
| Chenjiao :o This should be exciting despite only 2 episodes left. |
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| Well... shit. |
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| Zheng really is desperate.. |
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| I forget. Was Chengjiao Zheng's brother? |
Danpmss said: Same here!!!!!!!!! XD.Whoa Zheng's little brother .I wonder how he can help Zheng.It's a good thing they didn't kill him.Lu Buwei upgrading himself from chancellor to prime minister,he might as well scream to Zheng how much he's aiming for his position.Xin's disobeying orders to save some supposed small kingdom,hope he doesn't get in too much trouble for it and I hope it's not some kinda trap either.So many interesting things happening in this particular episode.Such a shame that there's only 2 episodes left and it's getting so good.I freaking love this anime!! |
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| I knew his little brother would show up sooner or later, I hope it's a good idea cooperating with him in hopes of reducing the authority of Buwei Lü/Ryo Fui. Haha, I just love them. |
| Come on Zheng, Xin is doing his job, and you are losing ground fast. |
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| Why his brother!! Though I kinda expected that it was him Zheng was going to visit.... either him or his brother's mother (IDK why, just thought it could be her). But still... whyyyyy... and he still has the same douche bag face from before being imprisoned. >_> |
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