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Dec 14, 2013 12:08 PM
#101
Guys take your VN debates to the VN thread. Let the anime only viewers enjoy the moment. Regardless of who you thought should've adapted it, I think this was a superb episode (For the anime) that deserves to be seen without anyone poisoning the well. |
Dec 14, 2013 12:11 PM
#102
I'll just give a 5/5 of this episode based on my opinion, and then step away from these forums as quickly as possible. Too much gunfire. |
"MIRAI ZURA! MIRAI ZURA YO, RUBY-CHAN!" -Hanamaru Kunikida |
Dec 14, 2013 12:12 PM
#103
dizzyworld2 said: JimRaynor said: I think Hikaru Midorikawa was really crying during the recording. Hear his voice, it's so real ;_;. He himself is actually a huge Little Busters! fan since the Little Busters! VN came out. I believe he and other seiyuus were crying in the same recording room just like the Clannad seiyuus did... Gosh!! That's really nice to hear! I'm sure Tamiyasu is a fan as well since she has the main role and I remember reading that she loved it as well. She's indeed a huge fan of LB too! Lots of the LB CVs are. And Mio's CV was eager to give her voice acting coz she likes the work so much but she was pregnant during the production of season1 so she had no choice but give up. |
JimRaynorDec 14, 2013 12:16 PM
Dec 14, 2013 12:14 PM
#104
Reckoner said: Guys take your VN debates to the VN thread. Let the anime only viewers enjoy the moment. A fair enough request, I shall. |
Dec 14, 2013 12:15 PM
#105
Reckoner said: Guys take your VN debates to the VN thread. Let the anime only viewers enjoy the moment. Regardless of who you thought should've adapted it, I think this was a superb episode (For the anime) that deserves to be seen without anyone poisoning the well. ^ this. Couldn't agree more. The feels ARE real, any debate is futile. Jim Raynor just said. |
Dec 14, 2013 12:16 PM
#106
Such feels.. |
"Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
Dec 14, 2013 12:18 PM
#107
@Vladz0r Mod Edit: Long quote of spoilered content removed. Some of these things might still take place in the next two episodes ya' know. Potential spoilers, just saying. I do think JC Staff did a great job considering I haven't played the VN yet so I can't really tell when something got changed. KyoAni probably would have done better though, looking back at the past Key adaptations they've done that I loved so much. |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:17 PM
Dec 14, 2013 12:23 PM
#108
The feels.... T-T Kengo and Kyousuke were too much for me. So, here's the deal. As an anime-only watcher I did a little "experiment" and decided to see the ending on the VN (also because I was too eager to know it and couldn't wait two more weeks xD). So, how it went? The thing with Masato's vanishing is that it IS supposed to be sudden. It has to hit Riki like a ton of bricks. No tear jerking, just "WTF?" and then you start to have the feels. It's certainly very different from the white background, but the thing is, there's too much dialogue between the "it's time to go" and the actual vanishing. I gotta say I was expecting the white backgrond too, but honestly, it would be a bit weird to see all white for that long. In the VN, they had to make some kind of impact because it's all still images. Hence the white background and they could keep the same image through the dialogue. Here we have movement. It's not that simple. So, they went with the vanishing out of thin air approach. It's a decision based on the element of surprise. If you know how it goes, of course it will be toned down. The world collapsing was really intense, gotta give props to them for that. And there's nothing else to say about the rest. It was done brilliantly. The small changes make it even more enjoyable. Voice acting was impecable. Just. Perfect. Mod Edit: spoler end tag moved down one paragraph. |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:20 PM
Dec 14, 2013 12:26 PM
#109
I am probably just a bit indifferent to all this drama, but that kind of melo is really over the top. It felt like autoparody. Nevertheless the way they did it was fine. I am just a bit of an insensitive bitch. |
Dec 14, 2013 12:38 PM
#110
Mod Edit: Extensive discussion of differences between VN and episode follows. This is a potential spoiler for people who intend to play the VN, and is better suited for the separate thread on the VN vs. Adaptation. yadayada said: Vladz0r said: _Kanon_ said: No, KyoAni would not have done it better, it would have looked absolutely terrible if KyoAni had did it. I know what you're thinking, but I'm not talking about animation quality, I'm talking about artstyle, that absolutely disgusting artstyle KyoAni has had since K-on. The faces don't fit and the colours do not belong even close to LB! If KyoAni did it, it would barely resemble Little Busters from day 1. Even if KyoAni could do better, it would come at the cost of looking god damn horrible, I will not accept 'we were right that KyoAni would have done better' when JC gave a basically perfect episode here that looked like Little God damn Busters. The bright simple style used is perfect for Little Busters, KyoAni would not use this, I am totally confident in that statement. Yes the first season was bad, the first season was absolutely bad, I wrote an entire blog post on why and where it fucked up. But you've got to be actively looking for flaws to say Refrain has been handled badly(wouldn't surprise me, in my experience KyoAnifags are the kind of people who would do that). At absolute worst, it's been a few nitpicky things that are mostly due to time constraints, something even your precious KyoAni would have to deal with. And for one last remark, might I remind you that KyoAni REJECTED Little Busters? Frankly they don't deserve to make this masterpiece if they're going to be like that. This was fantastic, the most powerful moment in the VN was enhanced, I won't let it be insulted to give that undeserving company praise. Clearly, this guy doesn't understand that KyoAni has different teams of character designers used for different works. I don't know what makes you think they would adapt Key VN designs to anime the same way they've adapted K-on designs. Anyway, KyoAni didn't "reject" Little Busters. They have a 1 project at a time rule, and they were booked with several other anime ahead of Little Busters. KyoAni gave Key the option of waiting, and Key turned down that option and accepted an offer from JC Staff, thinking that this studio could exceed the quality of the original source material. So, what did JC Staff do badly that I think KyoAni could've handled? Let's see what else they did off the top of my head. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurugaya- no diary opening to show her struggle to maintain her memories, her time loop was made into a "wish" to stay friends with the Little Busters forever, romance was heavily toned down, no Love-Love Hunters with the bros asking out the girls. Kurugaya actually shipped Rin in her own route, and warned Riki to protect her. The fireworks had added friendship with all the other girls watching them. Rin teared up at the fireworks, showing her feelings for Riki, ruining the mood and creating a needless love triangle-esque tension for this route. In Rin's route, they got rid of Kyousuke replacing Rin as the pitcher and playing the games each day as Rin was at the sister school, which built up the tension. The tour guide part was also a montage and they got rid of all of Masato's great comedy like the "private time with Kengo" joke with Sasami. They "forgot" to include Kengo's warning about what would happen if Riki runs away, "Only despair will wait". In Masato's arc, they didn't include him reaching out to Rin going "finally, someone that isn't me!" from his perspective. He also looked like a retarded drunken zombie and it wasn't serious at all. They didn't use the same songs (Little Melody) for Masato's or Kengo's arcs- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA5cJKmE7Aw They changed it to Song for Friends- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EmhlYh-bLU They got rid of LAAAWREEEENCE in Kengo's arc. Oh, and in Kyousuke's arc, they show him actually crawling in the real world and positioning himself at the bus to block the gas leaking. JC Staff masterpiece, "No changes to the story." The perspective shifts were done as third-person flashbacks of material from earlier on in the anime, so they were barely actual perspective shifts due to the low budget. Episode 7, the start of Refrain, was one of the worst looking ones in the season. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The way they mishandled Masato's character is terrible, and they kept it up right up through the farewells. They turned him into a punching bag, and nothing more. KyoAni at least has experience with Key and wouldn't try to fuck up the story impact that Maeda wanted to deliver like JC Staff has. Warner Bros' budget combined with JC Staff's incompetence just leads to blatantly WRONG decisions about how to go about the series. Your claims about them using a K-on art style for Little Busters are about as fucking retarded as the idea that they were going to make Clannad look like Lucky Star, because that show aired before Clannad was announced. Anyway, it's speculation of a low budget studio with its worst director and few too many episodes, vs. speculation of a studio who has lived up to Key's source material previously, and has actual talent available to deliver the impact of the original work. This anime was made for VN players anyway, so I pity those who didn't like it, but liked Key's other anime adaptations, and didn't get a chance to play the VN before JC Staff did... whatever they hell they did to this show they're claiming to be "Little Busters". Some of these things might still take place in the next two episodes ya' know. Potential spoilers, just saying. I do think JC Staff did a great job considering I haven't played the VN yet so I can't really tell when something got changed. KyoAni probably would have done better though, looking back at the past Key adaptations they've done that I loved so much. JCstaff did butcher the content from the VN in a lot of ways. At this point, I watch the show still to see how they handle the ending. Most of which is not even close to the standards set by the VN or any of the other adaptations of key works that have been done through KyoAni. While they have some nice parts that i liked watching as a VN player, thats not what i wanted out of this show. It could have been so much more then what it is and its clear that JCstaff has a lot to do with why it is the way it is. Both clannad and kannon are stand alone anime and VNs. you could do both, play the Vns and watch the anime and you wouldn't be disappointed. Not to mention that both anime went on to become hugely successful and regarded as some of the best animated series of all time. That being said. When LB! came out as a VN, lots of people regarded it as the pinnacle of key's works, in particular it was jun maeda's strongest work. He molded the form of the story to so perfectly fit the VN format. To see a company like JC staff, whom ive never seen a decent anime from, just completely butcher this franchise is distressing to say the least. I wont go into full detail as many people including the people i quoted have highlighted the problems of this adaptation but seriously, we need some one to decide to make another anime from the dreggs of this one and finally do the VN justice. Just like they did with kanon (2006). The quality of the series is so mediocre that when i rate it or watch it i do it relative to the other episodes. So yes, these last few episodes are better then most of the first season, but they aren't nearly as good as the VN by a huge stretch and the VN is just still standing sprites with the occasional CG scene. The Masato ending CG or the Kyouske alone in his desk CG are more emotionally impactful then the entire of the episodes that would have "contained them." |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:22 PM
Dec 14, 2013 1:03 PM
#112
I think this ep was spot on in the delivery, and even improved on it in Kyousuke's case where as said before I got the impression Midorikawa was actually crying. My only quibble is Masato's delivery, which I felt was stronger in the VN since as it was more low-key and solemn it was a starker contrast to his usual character. The ending sequence also felt a little too filler-like although I sort of liked having the rest of the cast lining up. |
Dec 14, 2013 1:20 PM
#113
Dec 14, 2013 1:49 PM
#114
Stitches327 said: The feels on the bus go round n round... ;_; |
Dec 14, 2013 1:51 PM
#115
I think some people that talk about this anime (producition, studios, music placement, animation quality etc.) should seriously take a hint from the anime and grow up. Walls of text that do not bring anything into the discussion of a current episode should be moved to an according forum topic. Either way, I played the game some years ago, and I never got to the point at which I started idolizing it's content, and after season 1 ended, never did I think it was a bad adaptation. Frankly, though Little Busters will forever be a better Anime/Visual Novel than Clannad (be it game or the anime) from my perspective, I could not express clearly what I thought about this adaptation, since some people are clearly overidolizing the content of the game and I do not want to start a discussion with "them". Alas the time to defend my own opinion has arisen. The anime will get a 10/10 from me and this episode assured me of it. I'm happy when I see new episodes of Little Busters, and if something is making me happy I'll hang on to that thing, and that's that. Thank you for all the work you put into the anime J.C. Staff, it was fun to see all the characters I really liked from the Visual Novel animated. Now waiting only for the last two episodes (and ex routes :D). |
Dec 14, 2013 1:59 PM
#116
I liked the episode but I can tell that this would have made me cried if I played the vn since I probably would have give a shit about other characters that isn't just Kyousuke, Season1 was very Shitty imo but refrain is certainly much better. If this was well executed it would have probably been sadder than Clannad since it does have a better story imo, but what made Clannad so much better than this was the characters which I disliked pretty much everyone in this series except for Kyousuke, Kengo near the end got pretty likable too. |
Dec 14, 2013 2:31 PM
#118
All this talk about butchering and whatever. it's not like you'll ever find a completely 1:1 adaption of a branching visual novel anyway, be it the LB anime, or the Clannad anime. The only difference here is mostly what you experienced first, determining what you like the most (the VN or the Anime, not the different series). Idk, I've played the VN, but when I watch the anime, I just basically shut down everything I know from the VN, and expect stuff to be the same, and changed, without trying to figure out "which is better" or whatever. Works like a wonder, and this episode is good. also @KeyIsLove: No. |
Wafuu~ |
Dec 14, 2013 2:39 PM
#119
Damn dat greenriver, taking voice acting to another level or rather realm. The feelings he conveyed almost made me tear up ...every last pitch so tear-jerking,... |
Dec 14, 2013 3:03 PM
#120
I'm so silly, I forgot to post my opinions on this episode despite the fact I already watched it 11 hours ago?... Okay, here goes. As an anime adaptation, JC did well. This is perhaps one of the most emotional episode in anime history and even if they could done it better, I am already satisfied with it. Hey, the empty box of tissues is proof enough. I was one of the haters of JC during S1 and earlier in S2. Now, I'm a reformed bastard who doesn't expect a 1:1 adaptation. There is of course, changes and removal of scenes, that is inevitable. And considering the amount of episodes JC has to work it, they've done a very good job. Not many studios can pull that off, even your beloved Kyoani. I don't know about the others, but this "lame" adaptation you guys are referring to just proves to me how epic the content of LB! has. Now, time to fly to the other forums.. CR forums for example, because it has a more optimistic atmosphere there. Honestly, it's suffocating here XD |
julyanDec 14, 2013 3:06 PM
Dec 14, 2013 3:21 PM
#121
damn. that scene with kyosuke was legit. if this was the climax scene for refrain, i can see why refrain was hyped up (although disappointing that it only has one 'teary' moment -- maybe there will be more in the next 2 episodes). but yeah, im sure he felt the most pain as the leader, as he's both the observer as well as the instigator. almost anohana status. |
KurogashiDec 14, 2013 3:25 PM
Dec 14, 2013 3:26 PM
#122
Kurogashi said: damn. that scene with kyosuke was legit. if this was the climax scene for refrain, i can see why refrain was hyped up (although disappointing that it only has one 'key' moment -- maybe there will be more in the next episode). but yeah, im sure he felt the most pain as the leader, as he's both the observer as well as the instigator. almost anohana status. Yup. Next episode is for me the saddest, and personally favorite scene in the whole game. |
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Dec 14, 2013 4:06 PM
#123
kyousuke crying was so sad and heartbreaking! i was crying so hard. the best big brother ever |
Dec 14, 2013 4:07 PM
#124
Mod Edit: Extensive discussion of differences between VN and episode follows. This is a potential spoiler for people who intend to play the VN, and is better suited for the separate thread on the VN vs. Adaptation. _Kanon_ said: KeyIsLove said: So this is my opinion. And I'm calling this one too: Kyoto Animation could have done better. The one thing I've realized since the first season when the voice actors mentioned it in an interview is that the visual novel was more emotional in the emotional scenes than the anime was, and this episode proves it to be true. JC Staff simply cannot properly do an emotional scene whereas KyoAni can and has multiple times. I rewatched some of the sad scenes of Clannad AS multiple times and every now and then I felt sad at them. Here was nothing. I'm going to have to make a rare post here because I simply cannot agree with this. You can say it's your opinion all you want, but you're pushing 'kyoani would have done it better' as fact, and that does not sit well with me. No, KyoAni would not have done it better, it would have looked absolutely terrible if KyoAni had did it. I know what you're thinking, but I'm not talking about animation quality, I'm talking about artstyle, that absolutely disgusting artstyle KyoAni has had since K-on. The faces don't fit and the colours do not belong even close to LB! If KyoAni did it, it would barely resemble Little Busters from day 1. Even if KyoAni could do better, it would come at the cost of looking god damn horrible, I will not accept 'we were right that KyoAni would have done better' when JC gave a basically perfect episode here that looked like Little God damn Busters. The bright simple style used is perfect for Little Busters, KyoAni would not use this, I am totally confident in that statement. Yes the first season was bad, the first season was absolutely bad, I wrote an entire blog post on why and where it fucked up. But you've got to be actively looking for flaws to say Refrain has been handled badly(wouldn't surprise me, in my experience KyoAnifags are the kind of people who would do that). At absolute worst, it's been a few nitpicky things that are mostly due to time constraints, something even your precious KyoAni would have to deal with. And for one last remark, might I remind you that KyoAni REJECTED Little Busters? Frankly they don't deserve to make this masterpiece if they're going to be like that. This was fantastic, the most powerful moment in the VN was enhanced, I won't let it be insulted to give that undeserving company praise. Honestly I like their animation... I don't know what you have against the company (I can tell you hate their guts) but to make it simple I think that JC Staff is an insult to anime fans, casual and hardcore. This masterpiece of a visual novel has been torn to shreds by JC Staff as evidenced by this episode, because Key has always been primarily a company where its VNs revolve around EMOTIONS. That is #1. Everything else is below it. To screw up the most important aspect of something is to simply dishonor it, and this undeserving, untalented company JC Staff has done just that. I've heard multiple things about why Kyoto Animation didn't do it, some say rejected and others say they were too busy, but either way we would've been better off waiting years for them to have an open spot to do it or for them to change their mind rather than let JC Staff take a dump on this series like they did. |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:24 PM
Dec 14, 2013 4:13 PM
#125
I did not cry for years but I must admit I have officially cried in this episode. The goodbye was just way too painful, and the monologue of Kyousuke was my nail in the coffin. Notice that I was already crying even before Masato started speaking. I still can't believe there are going to be two more episodes, it seemed like this episode or the next would be the last ones. My feels are already scattered in my room, I don't know if I will be able to handle the next week's feels. Oh btw, could someone tell me how is the soundtrack called during Kyosuke last monologue? Vladz0r said: Now that the Secret is out, I wanted to unveil my gallery. Enjoy: http://imgur.com/a/fSJLK I love you (no homo), thanks. I don't know how much time did this take but really good job here. |
Dec 14, 2013 4:15 PM
#126
Akanezora said: Oh btw, could someone tell me how is the soundtrack called during Kyosuke last monologue? Parting of the Boys |
Dec 14, 2013 4:18 PM
#127
egnaro315 said: Akanezora said: Oh btw, could someone tell me how is the soundtrack called during Kyosuke last monologue? Parting of the Boys Thank you very much, now I will be able to grieve even in my sleep. |
Dec 14, 2013 4:23 PM
#128
HaXXspetten said: Gitah-Muttan said: I thought the fading of all the characters was a bit too sudden really, was like someone snapped their fingers and they weren't there anymore instead of fading out over a few secondstheKDL said: Gitah-Muttan said: is it just me or the timing of Haruka Kanata is a bit off when Kyousuke started to cry? Not just you, I was waiting for the music to fade in when he turns... but nope Also, why Masato's scene not so touchy? why wasn't there Haruka Kanata???? YES! EXACTLY! That fade is needed to amplify the feels!! i think those parts could have been done better to add dramatic effect like how when the world was ending all those light particles would had worked just fine,still i got the feels kengo crying almost got me. |
Dec 14, 2013 4:27 PM
#129
Holy fuck, those feels hit me like a freight train. God damn it as soon as kyousuke started crying i broke. |
Dec 14, 2013 4:30 PM
#130
Akanezora said: egnaro315 said: Akanezora said: Oh btw, could someone tell me how is the soundtrack called during Kyosuke last monologue? Parting of the Boys Thank you very much, now I will be able to grieve even in my sleep. This one always makes me so sad when I'm listening to it, but at the same time my heart is filling with the hope... This, the new track and Haruka Kanata are the music highlights of this episode. |
Dec 14, 2013 4:45 PM
#131
Kurogashi said: damn. that scene with kyosuke was legit. if this was the climax scene for refrain, i can see why refrain was hyped up (although disappointing that it only has one 'teary' moment -- maybe there will be more in the next 2 episodes). but yeah, im sure he felt the most pain as the leader, as he's both the observer as well as the instigator. almost anohana status. There's still 2 more episodes ;) But after this reveal, rewatching most episodes will be pretty sad too. This reveal turned everything into pretty much a tragedy because everything started from one. Because all along Riki was also helping the girls fulfill their final regrets and LB were all pretty much trying to enjoy their lives as much as possible since episode 1. And reposting this link to remind anyone who skipped Vlad's post to see all the hints scattered in the series in case you missed the link. http://imgur.com/a/fSJLK |
OLHeartsDec 14, 2013 4:51 PM
"Now's the time for you to run towards the day you awaken from this dream." ~Boys be Smile |
Dec 14, 2013 5:02 PM
#132
i expected this scene, but it was still teary to watch amazing episode as usual, don't hate on it too much players it's still a very strong and emotional episode <3 |
Dec 14, 2013 5:07 PM
#133
The perfect placement of OSTs is making it so much harder to watch this as a VN player :( Dem feelz!! |
Dec 14, 2013 5:18 PM
#134
Dec 14, 2013 5:35 PM
#135
I know you guys wanted these: http://i.minus.com/iftqMZBZYjK00.gif http://i.minus.com/iDWO1loijT7C4.gif http://i.minus.com/i0CIRwwE9JevX.gif |
Dec 14, 2013 5:37 PM
#136
When I first played this scene in the vn... I didn't cry. Watching this scene in the anime now... I still didn't cry. I guess Refrain just doesn't work well with me. But Kyousuke really is the best Key character ever created. That much I'll give credit to. |
Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
Dec 14, 2013 5:42 PM
#137
Mod Edit: Extensive discussion of differences between VN and episode follows. This is a potential spoiler for people who intend to play the VN, and is better suited for the separate thread on the VN vs. Adaptation. helski666 said: I think some people that talk about this anime (producition, studios, music placement, animation quality etc.) should seriously take a hint from the anime and grow up. Walls of text that do not bring anything into the discussion of a current episode should be moved to an according forum topic. Either way, I played the game some years ago, and I never got to the point at which I started idolizing it's content, and after season 1 ended, never did I think it was a bad adaptation. Frankly, though Little Busters will forever be a better Anime/Visual Novel than Clannad (be it game or the anime) from my perspective, I could not express clearly what I thought about this adaptation, since some people are clearly overidolizing the content of the game and I do not want to start a discussion with "them". Alas the time to defend my own opinion has arisen. The anime will get a 10/10 from me and this episode assured me of it. I'm happy when I see new episodes of Little Busters, and if something is making me happy I'll hang on to that thing, and that's that. Thank you for all the work you put into the anime J.C. Staff, it was fun to see all the characters I really liked from the Visual Novel animated. Now waiting only for the last two episodes (and ex routes :D). Its not about over idolization its about opinion. Lets just say that my opinion of the VN is a rather large one. Its sad to see something you enjoy being torn to shreds isnt it? Its understandable that something like this happens and some people would be distressed by it. Im not going to say its all JC staff's fault for not appeasing me personally, but i will say its their fault for being so lazy about everything. I know for a fact that they are very lazy when it comes to their adaptations. For example, a while back i started to read the series "golden time" because i was a fan of the author behind toradora (same guy btw.) while I'm not as passionate about this franchise as I am with LB!, If you compare the books to the current anime that JC staff is creating you see this rather large disparity in the quality of the work. Its like JC staff decided to sign on the line to make money and thus pushed out a mediocre adaptation of the novels with just enough effort to make a profit. That is the kind of company that i feel that they are and its really sad for the sake of the LB! franchise and any other franchise they get their hands on. The reason KyoAni is a better company in so far as quality is concerned is because they take their time and slowly produce their work. They make one anime at a time for a reason. While im sure they are still in it for the money, they also bring quite a bit of quality and their own personal mark to a show. I just feel that a company like Key who take years to produce one VN at a time works better with a company like KyoAni who also take years to produce one anime at a time vs a company like JC staff that scatter shots out a bunch of anime every season. |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:25 PM
Dec 14, 2013 5:42 PM
#138
Dec 14, 2013 5:59 PM
#139
Why JC Staff? Why did you do this to me? What did I do to deserve to be this miserable? A very good climax for a very good anime. JC Staff did well with this episode although it could have been better. Some VN readers are being nitpicky as usual. If for one moment you try to forget that you ever read the vn, then this episode will bring you to tears because you didn't make an expectation. I thought it was only Riki x Kyousuke but now there's a Riki x Masato route too? JC Staff must be a fan of the yaoi genre. Masato's farewell was my favorite part of the vn and the only farewell that made me cry but the anime version kind of sucked. Kengo regretted not being able to play with them more but in the end he finally realized that he was happy to be friends with them and took off with a smile. Finally Kyousuke,,, DAMN THAT SCENE A MASTERPIECE!! They really outdone themselves with that part. best scene of Little Busters ever made! The VA was one good seiyuu portraying Kyousuke when he was crying. I am pretty sure that the seiyuu was also crying when they were recording that moment. And now the end of the world. Good bye Kyousuke. Good bye Little Busters..... I was hoping it would end with them at the hospital realizing that everyone are gone forever. Now that would be a very emotional ending Two episodes left. Little Busters is really coming to an end. |
Dec 14, 2013 6:06 PM
#140
Very faithfully adapted from the VN, similar level of feels. Animated Kyousuke crying was quite nice. But JC, what have you done with my Masato...? And now everyone knows why the Common Route is actually quite sad and surprisingly, NOT as bad as some people thought it was! Yay! |
SleepingEntityDec 14, 2013 6:09 PM
Dec 14, 2013 6:09 PM
#141
Just like i had predicted, this episode had me in tears throughout and was delivered nearly flawelessely! This was by far the best episode of little busters! And the remaining two will only be better! SO MANY FUCKING FEELS THOUGH! |
Dec 14, 2013 6:30 PM
#142
Dec 14, 2013 6:31 PM
#143
Vladz0r said: I know you guys wanted these: http://i.minus.com/iftqMZBZYjK00.gif http://i.minus.com/iDWO1loijT7C4.gif http://i.minus.com/i0CIRwwE9JevX.gif Seeing Kyosuke crying always kills me inside. |
Dec 14, 2013 6:42 PM
#144
Welp, like the majority of people here, i loved it!! So emotional.... |
Dec 14, 2013 6:46 PM
#145
Mod Edit: Extensive discussion of differences between VN and episode follows. This is a potential spoiler for people who intend to play the VN, and is better suited for the separate thread on the VN vs. Adaptation. Draakisback said: helski666 said: I think some people that talk about this anime (producition, studios, music placement, animation quality etc.) should seriously take a hint from the anime and grow up. Walls of text that do not bring anything into the discussion of a current episode should be moved to an according forum topic. Either way, I played the game some years ago, and I never got to the point at which I started idolizing it's content, and after season 1 ended, never did I think it was a bad adaptation. Frankly, though Little Busters will forever be a better Anime/Visual Novel than Clannad (be it game or the anime) from my perspective, I could not express clearly what I thought about this adaptation, since some people are clearly overidolizing the content of the game and I do not want to start a discussion with "them". Alas the time to defend my own opinion has arisen. The anime will get a 10/10 from me and this episode assured me of it. I'm happy when I see new episodes of Little Busters, and if something is making me happy I'll hang on to that thing, and that's that. Thank you for all the work you put into the anime J.C. Staff, it was fun to see all the characters I really liked from the Visual Novel animated. Now waiting only for the last two episodes (and ex routes :D). Its not about over idolization its about opinion. Lets just say that my opinion of the VN is a rather large one. Its sad to see something you enjoy being torn to shreds isnt it? Its understandable that something like this happens and some people would be distressed by it. Im not going to say its all JC staff's fault for not appeasing me personally, but i will say its their fault for being so lazy about everything. I know for a fact that they are very lazy when it comes to their adaptations. For example, a while back i started to read the series "golden time" because i was a fan of the author behind toradora (same guy btw.) while I'm not as passionate about this franchise as I am with LB!, If you compare the books to the current anime that JC staff is creating you see this rather large disparity in the quality of the work. Its like JC staff decided to sign on the line to make money and thus pushed out a mediocre adaptation of the novels with just enough effort to make a profit. That is the kind of company that i feel that they are and its really sad for the sake of the LB! franchise and any other franchise they get their hands on. The reason KyoAni is a better company in so far as quality is concerned is because they take their time and slowly produce their work. They make one anime at a time for a reason. While im sure they are still in it for the money, they also bring quite a bit of quality and their own personal mark to a show. I just feel that a company like Key who take years to produce one VN at a time works better with a company like KyoAni who also take years to produce one anime at a time vs a company like JC staff that scatter shots out a bunch of anime every season. Except JC Staff adapted Honey and Clover, which is one of the best manga to anime adaption's ever. If not the very best. It has nothing to do with "JC Staff" but everything to do with the director. It's the same for any company really. I'll agree that people are being too harsh, because people actually got a chance to play the source material way beforehand with this one unlike other anime's. Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect and there's room for improvement but's its a very good adaption otherwise. It's pretty much the same as the Steins;Gate adaption for me. Several details (and I mean way more than LB) were lost in the anime. But it was still a nice adaption regardless. Even if it has many of the same problems as the LB adaption. You have to realize kyo-ani really screwed up Clannad in a lot of ways too, the same goes for AIR (I actually thought the movie was far superior). The only VN they adapted really well was Kanon actually. But like this, it's still enjoyable adaption. You guys need to stop digging for flaws and appreciate the adaption for what it is. If you look for flaws intently, then of course you'll find them. But if you relax a bit and enjoy, you'll also see some improvements along the way. This is not Umineko, and it certainly isn't the unlimited blade works movie. Now all of those were atrocious adaptions. |
rodacDec 14, 2013 7:27 PM
Dec 14, 2013 6:47 PM
#146
Simply outstanding episode! Kyousuke's section was simply off the charts! I'm now just looking forward to the next bit that hit me hard, which will be covered in the next episode...the wish. |
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Dec 14, 2013 6:48 PM
#147
Dec 14, 2013 7:05 PM
#148
@hyperknees It certainly isn't Umineko, but sadly it isn't Steins;Gate or Clannad in terms of stand-alone enjoyment for a lot of people. Shit, though. I read the first few hours of Umineko and rewatched the first episode of the anime. Holy hell. The VN introduced every character extremely well, and the anime made them a quickly tied package of cliches. I think LB is the sort of the adaptation that might be ruined by reading the source material first because of how the execution turned out, especially with the plot twists, the Secret of the World, the farewells, the bro arcs, Rin's arc, and heroine routes that lost their dramatic buildup/romance, and the comedy is a whole different and toned down experience. At least this episode turned out to be a hit everywhere I go, especially for those who have enjoyed the series from the beginning. I'm a pretty huge ass hole on the forums most of the time, and have incredibly mixed feelings on the anime. We all know why at this point, but oh well. If you want to know how I truly reacted: I didn't feel much up until Kyousuke's scene, but I think the mood was set up well for anime-only people to get engaged in it from the beginning. The lack of buildup in the series and the character representation throughout, though, just hinders the impact of this episode. The amount of emotion you can feel in this episode can only go so far for the content contained in it, because it calls back to so much from the entire journey through the series. The series could've been a lot smoother, but I liked a lot of ideas JC Staff had. Hopefully this episode got some people to really love and feel for Kyousuke, because this was one of the most memorable moments of the VN. |
Vladz0rDec 14, 2013 7:08 PM
Dec 14, 2013 7:14 PM
#149
Well yeah Steins;Gate and Clannad threw away most of the heroine's screen time and development while Little Busters didn't. I guess it would have been a better choice to focus more on the bros at the cost of the girls development but it depends on if you care about balance or not. I personally prefer how they adapted Kanon to Clannad because of this. Clannad is more of a personal story so I think it's just genuinely appealing to more people as well, just because of it's concept. Now don't get me wrong I don't belittle Clannad or Steins Gate for their choices as they are both great shows as well. Reading source material always makes watching adaption rough though as details will always be left out. I'm pretty biased to the 99 HxH because of this regardless of how good people see HxH 2011 is. |
hyperknees91Dec 14, 2013 7:22 PM
Dec 14, 2013 7:30 PM
#150
All these feels. All that foreshadowing. I started getting sad when Kyousuke was watching everyone. I was teary when I realized how everything came together. ;-; Why do they have to go? WHY?! I'm guessing they're gonna pull a Clannad on us though, but that would hinder Riki and Rin's "growth." |
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