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Nov 19, 2013 2:43 PM
#52
Nov 19, 2013 2:51 PM
#53
-Crys said: Hell Yeah for Oregairu. And now give us a second season, we need more Hachiman. <333 yes! I love pretty much all fo the characters from Oregairu. ASAP second season/more light novels, please! And I'm also more than happy that Oregairu is being appreciated so much, it really deserves it. |
Nov 19, 2013 4:19 PM
#54
OMG,MIYUKIII TATSUYAAAAA! |
Nov 19, 2013 4:25 PM
#55
Oregairu and Maou-sama! :) Now give us the second seasons already! |
Nov 19, 2013 4:28 PM
#56
Nov 19, 2013 4:47 PM
#57
Nov 19, 2013 6:05 PM
#58
Good for OregaIru and Maou-sama.Hopefully we will get second seasons sometime in near future. tsubasalover said: This looks and sounds really interesting.Too bad noone is translating it.*8. Rokka no Yuusha |
Nov 19, 2013 6:07 PM
#59
Nov 19, 2013 6:10 PM
#60
Congrats for OreGairu! |
Nov 19, 2013 6:47 PM
#61
ToG25thBaam said: BakaTest is also school activities related even if it is not really club-based. And I know detractors would call BakaTest one dimensional with stereotype characters too. My point is that whether a LN/anime is good varies from person to person, and MOE exists almost everywhere in LN these days so blaming MOE for any decision about anime adaptation is totally missing the point.What do we get recently? School club activities-related anime adaption. Edit: with stereotype characters that's pretty much one dimensional |
symbvNov 19, 2013 7:17 PM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 19, 2013 6:55 PM
#62
OreGairu may be school and service club but Hachiman and Yukinoshita are not your average characters, nor is Wataru Watari's writing average in the least! Funny thing is my favorite part of his books are the atogaki! He has good insights into the modern multi-media business he is in with the drama CD, anime and game adaptations of his work that he has participated in. Entertaining and insightful guy, well deserved recognition and praise for him. Remember that stuff gets popular because people like it and people tend to write what's popular. It is rare that you get something really new and original which is recognized and also sells well. New trends happen slowly. Right now college stuff doesn't sell as well in either light novels or anime so... people write high school stuff. Too bad stuff like NouCome isn't even more highly recognized as while it is in a high school setting and is harem based as well, it is quite original. Kokoro Connect as well, not just your average high school story. Demons and heroes I may have had enough of, I will admit... |
Nov 19, 2013 7:51 PM
#63
CrimsonPhantom said: Hachiman is not the MC we need, but the one we deserve. That guy is too boss not to be in 1st place. http://puu.sh/3kbAa.jpg <3 |
Nov 19, 2013 8:44 PM
#64
The only title i care about on the list is only Oregairu, mostly because the anime adaptation managed to deliver something thoughtful and sincere and having heroines whom the story developed very well and treated with dignity, not as fodder for checklist of tired tropes, which disparages it completely from endless run-of-the-mill "Ore no Highschool romcom" out there. I know it's a highly biased opinion since most titles on the list never get themselves any translations, and partially because i dislike literature on general (i'm more into comic book fan). I'm honestly wondering where does titles such as Durarara!, Baccano, Kino no Tabi, etc go? The kind of LNs where the authors genuinely put effort on the writing Quality and character development to deliver compelling and more thoughtful storytelling. Well, sure maybe some of them are still being written and still being adapted into anime (which were probably escaped from my attention), but since vast majority of LN adaptations tend to follow similar formula; tired checklist otaku tropes (harem, romcom, plenty of fanservice) and run-of-the-mill school setting, it can't be helped that these are the ones that were responsible in shaping up my (and many others') impressions about LN adaptations. Another thing that i notice with most translated LNs is their usually poor executions. I gave a certain LN on Baka-Tsuki a try on the other day as per my friend's recommendation. The premise sounded very great; a typical fantasy story set in modern Japan setting. Few pages later, however, instead of the plot actually goes somewhere, i got the bland MC being trapped in ecchi situation nonstop with two hot girls, over and over again, for several pages until i got sick of it and deleted the file from my PC. Then i tried another title that gave me warm welcome in the form of MC falling into certain heroine's boobs with other jealous heroine pummeled his body into smitheerens, and another title again also with very same result. Fun fact, these titles took less than 30 pages for establishing character and world building while wasting 100++ page for utter stupidity and trite dialogues that have no weight at all to the overall plot. I mean, you've got potential, good set of characters, and promising premise. Then why not develop said potential to the fullest? Why marginalize it with something completely inane and off-putting instead? Anyone, prove me wrong please. |
AmiluhurNov 19, 2013 8:50 PM
Nov 19, 2013 8:45 PM
#65
ssjokg said: MCsq2 said: IMO many of the other female characters,including Misaki, are better than Misaka(and Index).Suntears said: I dunno.MCsq2 said: How many years has it been since Misaka Mikoto has been dominating the female charts? 5 years and well deserved, she's simply the best...no competition I used to think that, then Misaki Shokuhou came along. Let's hope she plays an even greater role than she does right now. ^_^ I wouldn't say many, but there are certainly some characters which has potentials. |
Nov 19, 2013 8:53 PM
#67
Amiluhur said: Not to prove you wrong, but I would say you are setting a clearly different expectation from the fans it is written for. The premise has to be interesting to get readers to start reading but light novel is light because it is expected to be read quickly and casually, so just taking a few dozen pages to establish the characters and the world is what the readers expect and they would rather not seeing more before character interactions, which is the real deal to them, start. Now what is considered the real meat to fans is considered stupidity by you and you can tell why you are probably not the targeted consumer for this kind of LNs. In short, it may be off-putting to you, but it can be attention-drawing to others. Fun fact, these titles took less than 30 pages for establishing character and world building while wasting 100++ page for utter stupidity and trite dialogues that have no weight at all to the overall plot. I mean, you've got potential, good set of characters, and promising premise. Then why not develop said potential to the fullest? Why marginalize it with something completely inane and off-putting instead? Anyone, prove me wrong please. Besides, it is not that those readers do not want to see more world-building though. Many LNs keep building on the world and get complex as it progresses, but the key element is just the interesting (stupid to you) situation and dialogues which may or may not have to do with the plot. In LN world, readers do not get obsessed as much about plot as many western people seem prone to do. |
symbvNov 19, 2013 9:01 PM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 19, 2013 8:59 PM
#68
Nov 19, 2013 10:40 PM
#69
Amiluhur said: >snip< Oh sheesh, not this type of person again. Go find your preferred tropeless tale then, clearly the ones you've read recently were not even aimed for your taste in the first place. |
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Nov 19, 2013 11:32 PM
#70
Seeing Tokyo Ravens and Hataraku getting deserved ranks puts a huge smile on my face. Jaeger07 said: Amiluhur said: >snip< Oh sheesh, not this type of person again. Go find your preferred tropeless tale then, clearly the ones you've read recently were not even aimed for your taste in the first place. This. |
Nov 20, 2013 12:04 AM
#71
Congratulations Hikki/Hachiman you deserve that spot. I'm also rooting for you in ISML. Hope you win too ^^ Yozora > Sena Kirino > Ayase > Kuroneko Couldn't agree more with the rankings except that Kirito being on a higher rank than Accelerator. Just why? |
KaoreenNov 20, 2013 12:08 AM
Nov 20, 2013 12:34 AM
#72
Nov 20, 2013 12:38 AM
#73
Nov 20, 2013 1:45 AM
#74
symbv said: Besides, it is not that those readers do not want to see more world-building though. Many LNs keep building on the world and get complex as it progresses, but the key element is just the interesting (stupid to you) situation and dialogues which may or may not have to do with the plot. In LN world, readers do not get obsessed as much about plot as many western people seem prone to do. Oh i see. That kinda explains why most Japanese LNs i've read so far (at least the translated ones on Baka Tsuki) put heavy emphasis on dialogue and character interactions as opposed to say, Dragonlance series that i liked a lot during my childhood (this is the only western literature that i deem closer with LN in comparison) that puts more emphasizes on narrative instead, so yes, probably my preference leans more towards plot than anything else. Jaeger07 said: Amiluhur said: >snip< Oh sheesh, not this type of person again. Go find your preferred tropeless tale then, clearly the ones you've read recently were not even aimed for your taste in the first place. Oh don't give me that. I criticize those LNs because i genuinely can't stand them. You don't have to agree with me but do not start trying to undermine my credibility with this kind of weightless shit |
Nov 20, 2013 2:00 AM
#75
symbv said: ToG25thBaam said: BakaTest is also school activities related even if it is not really club-based. And I know detractors would call BakaTest one dimensional with stereotype characters too. My point is that whether a LN/anime is good varies from person to person, and MOE exists almost everywhere in LN these days so blaming MOE for any decision about anime adaptation is totally missing the point.What do we get recently? School club activities-related anime adaption. Edit: with stereotype characters that's pretty much one dimensional But one difference is, that's their whole setting, they fight for better facilities, and their school system is so much better than what we've seen today. Dude Baka to Test premise and setting is just way much better than most of the school based series out there. It's one and only, and giving my props to the author for creating a school like that, that's very creative and imaginative. Maybe it wasn't moe's fault after all, but there is something that differentiate the anime that sold well and the anime that won't sell well, I can't put it well in words. Guess I'll just leave it at that. Just glad that toaru is getting more recognition because it actually has a good setting, plot, development, execution, characters, and pretty much everything is great about it. I remember when I first started out watching it, thought that it was incredible, but no one else seems to care about it, and it gains it's fame slowly after. |
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Nov 20, 2013 2:06 AM
#76
Clive said: Never read Bungaku Shoujo You should. |
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Nov 20, 2013 2:16 AM
#77
Nov 20, 2013 2:40 AM
#78
Amiluhur said: LNs that get really complex in their world setting exist and usually they are called a "chuunibyou" LN (not the chuunibyou anime, but what the characters in that anime got themselves into with all those made-up jargon of a fantasy world they imagined). Index and Tokyo Ravens are two of the examples, but even in those LNs "stupid" (or "appealing") character interactions and dialogues that do not touch upon the plot are still par for the course. LN readers treat them as necessary lest the reading gets "boring" because it focuses too much on the plot and serious stuff. For them it is the desired balance, but I guess it would not be the balance you want.Oh i see. That kinda explains why most Japanese LNs i've read so far (at least the translated ones on Baka Tsuki) put heavy emphasis on dialogue and character interactions as opposed to say, Dragonlance series that i liked a lot during my childhood (this is the only western literature that i deem closer with LN in comparison) that puts more emphasizes on narrative instead, so yes, probably my preference leans more towards plot than anything else |
symbvNov 20, 2013 3:30 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 20, 2013 2:51 AM
#79
Tenkyou no Alderamin got almost no voting in homepage site questionnaire lol - but got ridiculous amount of supporter voting. from http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1384916322/; 3 different criteria; HP = Questionnaire voting from Takarajimasha homepage 協力者 = Supporter voting (by those works in LN, critiques etc.) モニター(Monitor) = voting from 'monitoring agents' who who reads at least 51 LN per year 1. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. (Oregairu) HP = 116.40 Supporter = 122.58 Monitor = 26.00 2. Tenkyou no Alderamin - Nejimaki Seirei Senki HP = 18.93 Supporter = 169.35 Monitor = 0.00 3. Toaru Majutsu no Index (Index) HP = 109.88 Supporter = 0.00 Monitor = 72.00 4. Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka HP =13.25 Supporter =164.52 Monitor = 0.00 5. Sword Art Online (SAO) HP =66.98 Supporter =20.97 Monitor = 87.00 6. Hataraku Maou-sama! (Maou-sama) HP = 34.81 Supporter =117.74 Monitor = 15.00 7. Tokyo Ravens HP = 19.14 Supporter =111.29 Monitor = 3.00 8. Rokka no Yuusha HP = 11.25 Supporter =104.84 Monitor = 16.00 9. Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai (Oreimo) HP = 33.33 Supporter = 50.00 Monitor = 45.00 10. No Game No Life HP = 8.52 Supporter = 98.39 Monitor = 15.00 |
Nov 20, 2013 3:11 AM
#80
Kitchiri said: Instead of translating it as "supporters", which makes it sound that those people support a certain LN, I would call them as "guest reviewers". Those are selected by the editor team for their opinion leader status and includes writers, literary critics, college reading club members, active LN bloggers etcTenkyou no Alderamin got almost no voting in homepage site questionnaire lol - but got ridiculous amount of supporter voting. And HP is for the wider public while Monitor is made up of veteran and committed LN readers. And what Tenkyou failed to get is not score from the "guest reviewers" ("supporters" in your words) but instead score from the "monitors", and Dungeon shares the same fate. On the other hand, Index got zero score from the "guest reviewers". In fact if those opinion leader reviewers' score was taken out and only the HP and Monitor scores are counted, the ranking would have become: 01 Index 02 SAO 03 OreGairu 04 Durarara 05 OreImo 06 Haganai 07 BakaTest 08 Hataraku 09 Accel World 10 Date A Live Clearly some of the less well-known titles in the top 10 got there mostly because of these "opinion leaders" favoring them more than other more well-known (and popular) titles. |
symbvNov 20, 2013 3:29 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 20, 2013 3:33 AM
#81
Clive said: Never read Bungaku Shoujo or Baka to Test so I can't say anything about those, but Toaru Majutsu no Index placing higher than Kino no Tabi in a "Best of 10 years" ranking is a really bad joke. 1.Opinions 2.You dont seem to care about Haruhi,Spice and Wolf, and FMP(I dont know if you have read them,when you dont have favorite Kino in your list.)so again, that's your opinion. |
Nov 20, 2013 4:10 AM
#82
ok... but, where is monogatari series?? |
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Nov 20, 2013 4:18 AM
#83
annov said: ok... but, where is monogatari series?? It's a novel, not a light novel. |
Nov 20, 2013 4:28 AM
#84
Mecasonic said: But did it get disqualified this year or did it just not rank?scytheavatar said: annov said: ok... but, where is monogatari series?? It's a novel, not a light novel. Before this year, it has never failed to get in the top 60 since the Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! 2008 rankings. |
Nov 20, 2013 4:35 AM
#85
scytheavatar said: Thing is its characters Senjougahara and Araragi are in the best female/male character of this year's ranking. If your reason is the only reason, how can that be explained?annov said: ok... but, where is monogatari series?? It's a novel, not a light novel. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 20, 2013 5:45 AM
#86
Disappointing to see Horizon dropping 50 positions and end up at the end of the list. At least DAL and Mondaiji-tachi are a bit higher this year. Also, tsubasalover said: Male Characters *7. Sakamaki Izayoi (Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo?) *9. Sugisaki Ken (Seitokai no Ichizon) Light Novel Artists *2. Ponkan 8 (Oregairu) *5. Kantoku (Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko.) *6. Tsunako (Date A Live) *8. Kanzaki Hiro (Oreimo) *9. Ukai Saki (Black Bullet) New Works *3. Clockwork Planet Nice! |
Nov 20, 2013 7:09 AM
#88
Nov 20, 2013 7:33 AM
#89
Congratulations to all of them ^_^ Now it would be really awesome if they will ANIMATE all of them!!!! |
Nov 20, 2013 7:50 AM
#90
So happy that Yozora is on the top ten female charas with Mikoto and Yukino as the top two...great! Oregairu deserves first spot. |
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Nov 20, 2013 8:33 AM
#91
Not trying to be a troll here, but seeing this list kinda makes me feel sad. Of the 10 first LNs listed, more than a half follow one exact same formula that has been used for years now and yet are a lot popular, which means that all the new authors trying to pull up different stories/formulas are struggling to get some attention. I'm not saying that these novels are all bad, I just wished a little more variety in terms of content. |
FaytzNov 20, 2013 8:42 AM
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Nov 20, 2013 9:02 AM
#92
Faytz said: Not trying to be a troll here, but seeing this list kinda makes me feel sad. Of the 10 first LNs listed, more than a half follow one exact same formula that has been used for years now and yet are a lot popular, which means that all the new authors trying to pull up different stories/formulas are struggling to get some attention. I'm not saying that these novels are all bad, I just wished a little more variety in terms of content. Really? And what magic formula would that be then? Because I don't even see two of those ten that are the same. |
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Nov 20, 2013 8:47 PM
#93
Oregairu and Hachiman? Hell yes. Can't wait for the author to write more volumes. |
Nov 26, 2013 6:05 AM
#94
Nov 26, 2013 9:47 PM
#95
Love the Index franchise to death. |
Nov 27, 2013 2:35 AM
#96
iLostReason said: Good for OregaIru and Maou-sama.Hopefully we will get second seasons sometime in near future. tsubasalover said: This looks and sounds really interesting.Too bad noone is translating it.*8. Rokka no Yuusha It not simply looks interesting, it is :3. --------- Also, people should bear in mind that beside the LN ranking, all the other rankings are merely popularity ranking. No one is saying that Misaka or hachiman are the best characters ever in LN, they're simply saying that they like that character. Whereas on the contrary, some titles like rokka no yuusha are in the top 10 not because they are popular but because they are considered awesome/impressive (you can see which titles is in the top 10 for which reasons by looking at the detailed scoring system. Index is only here by popularity, for example, but oregairu or alderamin aren't only there for that). So ranking for several years in the top 10 doesn't mean the LN is popular enough to get an anime adaptation. ------------------- ok... but, where is monogatari series?? Please tell me what exactly makes you think Koudansha boxes are closer from LN than titles from media work bunko like Reinousha Minato or Biblia Koshodou which AREN'T allowed. If you can't, then it doesn't deserve to be here, just like it didn't deserve to be here the past years; and just like the characters themselves has nothing to do in there as well. Koudansha has its own ln label IIRC, so no reasons to validate koudansha boxes as valid in this ranking. |
ZefyrisNov 27, 2013 2:40 AM
Nov 27, 2013 2:43 AM
#97
Zefyris said: Problem is the characters from the Monogatari made it into the best male character and female character ranking in the survey. I also don't necessarily consider Monogatari as LN but there seems to be definitely some inconsistency in how the survey treats this work for its various rankings.Please tell me what exactly makes you think Koudansha boxes are closer from LN than titles from media work bunko like Reinousha Minato or Biblia Koshodou which AREN'T allowed. If you can't, then it doesn't deserve to be here, just like it didn't deserve to be here the past years; and just like the characters themselves has nothing to do in there as well. Koudansha has its own ln label IIRC, so no reasons to validate koudansha boxes as valid in this ranking. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nov 27, 2013 12:48 PM
#98
Yes, but by removing the monogatari series from the LN ranking, they're closer this year of what it should be than last year when both the LN and characters were in. Now, we just need to have the characters removed as well for the next year. I have nothing against monogatari as a series but such a rip off (talking about the label and not the series) shouldn't be allowed in there ImO. |
Dec 8, 2013 11:56 AM
#99
symbv said: hpulley said: If Senjougahara is in the female character list, I would expect that the novel should also be eligible. Yes indeed I find it puzzling too...That said, I think Kono LN ga Sugoi is more than just a simple magazine poll rankings. Its methodology encompasses readers, industry people, and opinion leaders from outside the industry (like ordinary literary critics). In fact, the book is a survey onto itself and is not derived from any survey conducted by a magazine. And odd that Monogatari isn't listed but a couple of their characters made the top 30's. They are not bunko so not light novels technically so they don't qualify or they just didn't rank? But their characters did somehow? I know I shouldn't get caught up in magazine poll rankings but still, oddly inconsistent. I am pretty sure that they didn't qualify. They are never shelved with the other light novels in any Japanese bookstore I have been to, so I think it is safe to say that it is the exception and not the rule to consider them Light Novels. A little rant: why do Japanese bookstores shelve by publishers? Damn annoying. |
Dec 8, 2013 1:50 PM
#100
because those publishers usually target a specific audience (not always true, but it's often the case) or a specific genre for most of their title, so grouping them by publishers means grouping the books directed toward the same customers together. Well, I think that's the theory, they do exactly the same with manga. |
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