pillsbury15 said: At what? His only good film is 5cm He can only pull off Sappy Dramas hes worthless at anything else did you not watch the horrible mess that was Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo. I'm not saying ALL Shinkai's movies are masterpieces, but neither Miyazaki's ones are ALL masterpieces. masserati94 said: The fact that you think Shinkai's movies are better than Miyazaki's is one thing, that's your opinion and I'm not going to criticise you for it (even though I don't agree with it). But I think what you're failing to see here is that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better, Miyazaki has contributed way more to the industry than Shinkai has; he was involved in the industry since Shinkai was a boy and has served as a pioneer for anime in general - I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole. Did you know that Shinkai's favorite film is actually Castle in the Sky? A film by Miyazaki (incidentally, the film you haven't seen). He's a huge follower of his works and the Miyazaki influence really shows in his films. I'm not telling that Shinkai had contributed way more than Miyazaki, and thats not a reason for being "better" neither. Another example would be Toriyama and his Dragon Ball, all influenced by Superman. If we follow this logic, if Superman wouldnt have existed, the Shounen as we know wouldnt exist neither?. Naruto, Bleach and One Piece?, so Superman is better for his incredible influence on Toriyama?. Everyone has been influenced by another, but everyone is different, Miyazaki is not better than Shinkai just for being his model. We shouldnt praise a recenst project just for the influence of his previous works, not everything from Miyazaki is "gold". |
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| Nooooooooo. I love his movies, they're just perfect. It's the end of all things. No more ingenious works. Nande? T_T |
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| nooooo ;________; but srsly what a great man ;~; |
| Glad to see his tree-hugging and hugely feminist agenda pushing habit will stop poisoning Ghibli. I'm not trying to be edgy, he's an openly hardcore feminist and it's impossible not to see that in every film he's worked on once you know that. It overshadows the characters, plot, and charm entirely - which sucks because Ghibli can do a lot better and has every time he's not involved. |
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| A legend in the anime industry gone, good luck in the future! =( |
skwok-ravenSep 1, 2013 2:30 PM
 "Have you ever encounter a wild beast that guarantees to never bite anyone?" ~ Roronoa Zoro |
| Now I'm glad I still haven't watched Borrowers Arriety :( |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| 2013 is a sad year for the anime industry.... Not only did many popular and favourite anime and manga end, but we also lose one of the most well know directors of this time :( Miyazaki Hayao, enjoy (finally!) your retirement~ |
TallonKarrde23 said: I'll have to disagree bigtime with you here, yes his beliefs are very noticeable but to the extent where it makes the famale characters strong and independent, as for the tree hugger in him, thats only truly present in nausica and mononoke, miyazaki is a romantic and all of his films contain romanticsm as well as personification of the environment. Neither of these overshadow the plots and if anything they make them better cause since when has having strong female leads and worlds with personality been a bad thing in story telling. Your actually missing the big message thats in almost every single film hes made, and thats the anti-war messages, specifically on how our reliance on technology is leading to unnecessary and devastating conflicts. Those are way more present than any of the things you have mentioned. And again thats a good message to portray because its correct and the things he was writing about with future boy conan back in 1978 is still relevant with todays society 30+ years later.Glad to see his tree-hugging and hugely feminist agenda pushing habit will stop poisoning Ghibli. I'm not trying to be edgy, he's an openly hardcore feminist and it's impossible not to see that in every film he's worked on once you know that. It overshadows the characters, plot, and charm entirely - which sucks because Ghibli can do a lot better and has every time he's not involved. Plus it seems while you focus so much on those aspects that your neglecting the things thats made him as beloved as he is, The imagination and magic in all the worlds hes helped create, the sense of adventure his films and television shows portray as well as his ability to tap into our inner innocence of us all no matter the age to give us the feeling of being a kid again learning about the world around us. I wont try to defend that each film hes made is some set in stone masterpiece that you have to agree with but why your saying these films dont reach that is invalid and misconstrued. |
JizzyHitlerSep 1, 2013 4:03 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Ok, i though your goal was deffending Miyazaki from "my attacks". if your post isnt a "I'll defend Miyazaki to the death!", then what is it? i havent offended Miyazaki, i havent said that Miyazaki's works are a faillure and he's doing fine by retiring, and i'm not denying that Miyazaki was a pioneer of Anime industry. I was just pointing out that i like more Shinkai's works than Miyazaki's, since in Japan is pretty common to compare thiese two directors, they goes so far by saying that Shinkai is the new Miyazaki. A mere and personal opinion. masserati94 said: ..I never said that contributing more makes him better, and I never said that serving as his inspiration makes him better either please don't put words into my mouth .. I'm not putting words into your mouth, tell me how i should interprete this? masserati94 said: I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole Arent you saying if it wasnt for Miyazaki, Makoto Shinkai would have never existed?, how are you so sure about that?, It sounds like you're placing Miyazaki some steps up to Shinkai. Sorry but by what you wrote, i understand it like that. masserati94 said: As for your other point, I can't necessarily your comparison is valid seeing as Dragonball definitely seems like the kind of thing that would be created regardless You were pointing that if it wasnt for Miyazaki, then Shinkai's works wouldnt have come to realize, right?. Oda and Kishimoto were heavily influenced by Toriyama, then it wouldnt normal following your logic, that Naruto and One Piece wouldnt even exist?, as well if Superman didnt exist, DB didnt?. masserati94 said: I also never said that we should praise a recent project just due to the influence of previous works, I'm not quite sure how that was implied. I know, i was just pointing out the importance of being objective about the quality of the movie and not being influenced by the director/creator, in this case, Miyazaki himself. It wasnt refering to you specifically. Just a personal opinion. |
VeneSep 1, 2013 4:09 PM
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masserati94 said: Just because Shinkai's favorite film is Castle in the Sky is hardly grounds to make the outlandish claim that Shinkai movies wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Miyazaki.But I think what you're failing to see here is that, regardless of whether you think Shinkai is better, Miyazaki has contributed way more to the industry than Shinkai has; he was involved in the industry since Shinkai was a boy and has served as a pioneer for anime in general - I doubt a lot of - wait, scratch that - any of Shinkai's works would even exist if it wasn't for Miyazaki and his incredible influence on not just anime, but the animation industry as a whole. Did you know that Shinkai's favorite film is actually Castle in the Sky? A film by Miyazaki (incidentally, the film you haven't seen). He's a huge follower of his works and the Miyazaki influence really shows in his films. Shinkai's style is very much his own, except in Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo, which is obviously very Ghibli-inspired. Other than that movie though, any possible Miyazaki influence doesn't really make itself apparent in any manner. |
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| Well this is kind of disappointing. :( Oh well. |
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| Good. He's in his 70s, he's done a lot of great work, and now it's time for him to go. He can't work forever. |
| So sad when I read it. |
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| @DjIzzyIzzyHitler Your post is great and all, but it's too clear to me that Tallon made some classy bait. I mean, his last phrase is contradicted by his own list. @Bakura I'm not trying to push my love of Miyazaki's works into your throat, but please and kindly stop acting like a hater when, by mere statistics, you are not. It's not a big deal to dislike Howl or Nausicaa; sure, they are highly regarded, but they also have their fair share of criticism among Ghibli and Miyazaki fans. You barely scratched the surface on what this guy has brought to anime, so what is the point you want to make? @Thread Well. I am kind of lost for words because these news remind me of how I started watching anime. Miyazaki was the first director I favorited and respected and four years later still, his works have left a huge impact on me and shaped my taste, and every time I watch a single scene, I feel once again warm inside. Corny talk aside (sorry guys). I don't know if this one will be the definitive, but I have a feeling it is, if only due to everything that has been happening around The wind rises; along with the whole talk about replacement in Ghibli, the timing couldn't be more fitting. It's his decision and while I regret not being able to watch more films directed by him (still hope he'll work in production or doing other things), it's only understandable that a 72-year-old doesn't feel the energy and the interest to go on with this for longer. |
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masserati94 said: ...Why not?without Miyazaki, it's unlikely that Shinkai would have made the films he has made. |
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jal90 said: I wouldnt be surprised if it was either, Though from what iv seen of the guys views is that he channels a bit of a inner hipster in him most of the time so im more for hes being somewhat legit in saying what he did. Hence why i replied@DjIzzyIzzyHitler Your post is great and all, but it's too clear to me that Tallon made some classy bait. I mean, his last phrase is contradicted by his own list. |
JizzyHitlerSep 1, 2013 4:56 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| T.T I'll miss him and his works. |
jal90 said: @Bakura I'm not trying to push my love of Miyazaki's works into your throat, but please and kindly stop acting like a hater when, by mere statistics, you are not. It's not a big deal to dislike Howl or Nausicaa; sure, they are highly regarded, but they also have their fair share of criticism among Ghibli and Miyazaki fans. You barely scratched the surface on what this guy has brought to anime, so what is the point you want to make? Ok, now we have another.. Stop acting like a hater?, listen carefully, i'm not bragging the fact i disliked Howl and Nausicaa and i dont know how you jumped into that conclusion. My first post in this thread was: Bakura said: The only movie i really liked from Miyazaki was Sen to Chihiro, the others i find them boring. Makoto Shinkai is better, IMO. Where is the such acting like a hater that you kindly ask to to stop?. Its better for you if you could interpret better the post of another members and dont easily jump into your fantastically conclusion. The point i want to make?, this wasnt a discussion i had with you but with masserati94. The point is Miyazaki isnt the "creator" of Makoto Shinkai. |
VeneSep 1, 2013 5:06 PM
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| @masserati94 Yep sure. |
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| Sorry Bakura; that was definitely my bad. Since my initial focus for the post was different. I made a fast scroll through the thread, and mistook your posts for haterade arguments. Which looked in that sense a little inconsistant regarding your experience with Miyazaki. I wasn't meant to look pissed though, just pointing a disagreement which I guess came more aggresive as I didn't have a clear reason to do so. |
| It's really sad to know a great story-teller of our time is bowing out, but he had a very good run and probably lives comfortably. He deserves to retire, even though we are going to miss him very much. I still see Studio Ghibli coming out with good films, though, so we'll see what happens in the near future. Either way, thanks so much for giving us these inspiring, beautiful stories, Mr. Miyazaki. You shall be missed, but your legacy will not be forgotten. |
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| NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO D: |
| A legacy is what he gave us. |
| Sad news but he is getting old so this was to be expected. Hopefully Studio Ghibli can still make great movies after this. |
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| :( no I love his movies, I love studio Ghibli, those movies got me into anime |
Dask said: GoldenthunderBRS said: Don't know who he is since I haven't watch his films before, but dang that is sad. How have you not seen any of his films? I actually haven't either. |
| i can't |
| This is at least the fourth time he's "retired." The first was in '98, after the release of Mononoke Hime and Yoshifumi Kondou's sudden, premature death. That scared him, but in the end, without Kondou, and with Isao Takahata (five years older than Miyazaki) winding down as well, the studio needed Miyazaki. The second was after Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi, which was supposed to be his final film. Once again, though, with Takahata being inactive, it would have left Ghibli without and active director. The Third was after Howl's Moving Castle, when they tried to transition to his son Gorou. Tales from Earthsea put an end to that experiment. Even after Ponyo, I think it was widely believed that he was done directing, if not necessarily writing. He'll be back yet again, because Ghibli still doesn't have anyone else. Gorou has been on a short leash ever since the Earthsea debacle. Hiromasa Yonebayashi has directed, but lacks writing credentials. It says something about the studio's prospects that Takahata has his first film since 1999 coming out in November, by which time he'll be 78. Unless and until Ghibli can find a competent successor, he'll keep getting dragged back into the productions. He'll probably die making films. |
| A great man, I hope he lives peacefully in retirement. :) |
AzuriteMal said: Unless and until Ghibli can find a competent successor, he'll keep getting dragged back into the productions. He'll probably die making films. And this is why I wish this retirement to, indeed, actually be a retirement. Unless he really wants to die making films, I'll happily wave farewell to him and and have him in my memories. All ages pass, and that's a good thing. Princess Mononoke has been my favorite film for quite some time. |
| UGH My heart is broken. |
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| Tis a dark day for the quality of anime. |
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